Permadeath RO?

[waitwhat]

http://age-of-aincrad.com/forum/threads/aincradro-hardcore-mode-ragnarok-online.2313/

i'm going to check this one as it goes online, just leaving the link for good as i find that intriguing and some of you guys might want to take a look too

[Bue]

That is a very bad way to waste your time.

They basically hook the dead event and delete the character from the database when you die or just throw you in jail.

In other words, that server doesn't deliver a complete concept of what it means to play Ragnarok in 'hardcode' mode.

I don't see anything that addresses high turnover rates or how players can easily dominate the server by reaching end game first.

[Hyperactive]

I don't see anything that addresses high turnover rates or how players can easily dominate the server by reaching end game first.

I think you're taking it way too seriously. The fact that the server is online "whenever [he's] home to turn it on" leads me to believe it's not a serious server and just for a little bit of fun with friends.

It's not your typical RO and seems a bit more arcade-like in that your level is your high score. One life in RO kind of sucks though since there's some annoying monsters out there. Having a totally different RO is a nice idea though. Perhaps having a set number of lives and maybe the option to earn more before your eventual demise would be more fun. You'd have to have somewhat decent drop rates though.

Even though I don't think this server was meant to be taken seriously, I think it's a good starting point to build from. I'd personally like to see something totally different with RO like what that guy is doing.

[Bue]

I think it's a good starting point to build from.

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OnPCDieEvent:
set @char_id, getcharid();
announce strcharinfo(0)  + " was slain by " + rid2name(killerrid) + ", RIP.", bc_all;
changesex; /* kick player from server */
query_sql("delete from char where char_id = " + @char_id + ";");
/* assume delete-orphan propagation is set for foreign keys */

What is proper amount of seriousness in a server discussion thread about a specified server?

[Yuzo]

sounds interesting. would like a safezone so i can nibble away at levels.


the green (good players)-orange (cooling down from red)-red (green players can kill without becoming red) system would be cool.

[Taishiro]

I'll check it out, is it Renewal or Pre-Renewal?

[waitwhat]

It's pre-renewal i guess. Are you really planning to live long enough to find out? xD

guy says he turns it on at 3pm PST generally (GMT-8, California)

[Nova]

I've checked it out and it looks decent so far, but not in anyway perfect ofcourse.

-Pre-Renewal
-Rates: 15/15/7
-There's a reset girl which will reset your stats for around 10k each.
-No card remover.
-No healer.
-There's a job changer.
-Slightly modified FLEE and DEF mechanics.
-Perma Death with a 10 minute timer for ressurrection.
-Enabled PK outside of cities.

I think the concept of perma death is great and will make RO a lot more fun and interesting. Too bad most people think differently although I do think that there's a big enough audience that wants a good perma death server. I don't think I've ever seen one other than this server either.

[Yozakura]

Permadeath is nice, but considering it's RO, where dying, respawning and trying again is pretty much a massive part of the game, wiping out all experience is more reasonable imo. 1% exp loss is so tiny.

[Yuzo]

Permadeath is nice, but considering it's RO, where dying, respawning and trying again is pretty much a massive part of the game, wiping out all experience is more reasonable imo. 1% exp loss is so tiny.

i'd compare it to nuzlocke pokemon challenge if you've played it. You can get really attached to your character...and then die SO SAD

[Nova]

Permadeath is nice, but considering it's RO, where dying, respawning and trying again is pretty much a massive part of the game, wiping out all experience is more reasonable imo. 1% exp loss is so tiny.

We have a million of those servers already. Would be nice to have a different server for a change wouldn't it?

[Yozakura]

I did say permadeath is nice.

Exp wipe servers? Whoa, have I been missing out?

[mleo1]

killed by poring uninstall

[eKoh]

I think that this idea is cool, but, just for an event, not for the whole game. Like Bue said: it would be only a waste of time.

[Playtester]

The only concept with permadeath I've ever designed was an idea I call "ArcadeRO". You have central hub (e.g. prontera) from which you start and if you exit Prontera you will always be reset to 1/1. From then on you are only allowed to proceed from an easier to a harder region, but never go back (dead ends will get new portals to harder regions). Monsters are all aggressive and have increased view range so they hunt you even out of your visible range. The challenge is to survive and proceed to harder regions. You get points for monsters killed as well as proceeding to harder regions. When you die, you get moved back to prontera and your score will be recorded on a board.

[Yozakura]

The only concept with permadeath I've ever designed was an idea I call "ArcadeRO". You have central hub (e.g. prontera) from which you start and if you exit Prontera you will always be reset to 1/1. From then on you are only allowed to proceed from an easier to a harder region, but never go back (dead ends will get new portals to harder regions). Monsters are all aggressive and have increased view range so they hunt you even out of your visible range. The challenge is to survive and proceed to harder regions. You get points for monsters killed as well as proceeding to harder regions. When you die, you get moved back to prontera and your score will be recorded on a board.

That actually sounds interesting.

[Nova]

The only concept with permadeath I've ever designed was an idea I call "ArcadeRO". You have central hub (e.g. prontera) from which you start and if you exit Prontera you will always be reset to 1/1. From then on you are only allowed to proceed from an easier to a harder region, but never go back (dead ends will get new portals to harder regions). Monsters are all aggressive and have increased view range so they hunt you even out of your visible range. The challenge is to survive and proceed to harder regions. You get points for monsters killed as well as proceeding to harder regions. When you die, you get moved back to prontera and your score will be recorded on a board.

Very interesting concept.

I think that this idea is cool, but, just for an event, not for the whole game. Like Bue said: it would be only a waste of time.

How is playing playing a perma death RO server more of a waste of time than playing on a normal RO server?
How is playing games in general not a waste of time?
How is sitting on a couch watching TV not a waste of time?
etc.

There you go.

[NovaRagnarok]

The idea of adding hardcore characters to a server is kind of interesting. I feel like a fully hardcore server won't ever be too populated as people who die would be too willing to quit, but what about a mixture of both? Everyone plays on the same server, but on a per-character basis, you can enable the hardcore toggle (After going through 5 warnings telling you you'll never be able to go back to normal mode), increasing EXP/Drops or even potentially getting more stats, at the cost of losing all of your character if you die (Inventory and equipment included). Maybe even turning on PK for said characters in areas outside of towns.

Though I'm almost tempted to implement such a system on my own server, I can't begin to imagine the amount of players PMing me about how they accidentally turned the mode on and now can't disable it.

[mleo1]

Perma Death with a 10 minute timer for ressurrection. I like this, death state? if you are not resurrected in 10mins youll be deleted?

How about save items into stash if you die? like in PoE
WoE will be awesome, full of rage and hate, with some tweaks, plus the resu rule

PROS
+ to maso guys and gals
cheap antibot system (humor)
more connection, youll level up always with back up
distrust if you see another player haha

CONS
low player base
players might rage quit
low - no donation

The idea of adding hardcore characters to a server is kind of interesting. I feel like a fully hardcore server won't ever be too populated as people who die would be too willing to quit, but what about a mixture of both? Everyone plays on the same server, but on a per-character basis, you can enable the hardcore toggle (After going through 5 warnings telling you you'll never be able to go back to normal mode), increasing EXP/Drops or even potentially getting more stats, at the cost of losing all of your character if you die (Inventory and equipment included). Maybe even turning on PK for said characters in areas outside of towns.

Though I'm almost tempted to implement such a system on my own server, I can't begin to imagine the amount of players PMing me about how they accidentally turned the mode on and now can't disable it.

How about make a new server "HARDCORE" with bonus drop and exp, etc, if you die there move the items and char to the NORMAL server.

[Yozakura]

If getting legions of players wasn't a problem, it would even be hilarious to give people permabans for dying.

[waitwhat]

I personally think it would be awesome to both see and play when implemented along with traditional mechanics. Like, it will be an NPC that resets you to lvl1 novice with permanent +exp/drop buff and a script that wipes your exp/loot if you die.

Also, making loot on HC-mode character-bound is crucial, otherwise your server is screwed i'd also recommend to give them autoloot so side characters couldn't loot those high-rate dropped items

[annaquin]

The problem is the content beside been permanently dead ?

What if players are bored after 5 mn and still want to discover game content , and suddenly die in a dungeon because of a spawned mini Boss. Because technically , hunting deviling as a low level lead to death in a no man's land. Also what about dying in endless tower ?

Is the server going to be PK ? what about farm killer ?

Hercules and Rathena evolved to a point where adding news classes and new skills is so easy, yet except for VanRO and Ragna Tale RO , I don't see a single admin creating new classes nor new skills.. aka not increasing the game content at all.

Marginal changes from original kRO isn't sex appealing at all.

[Minabe]

Doing Tripper's job.

[annaquin]

You don't make any sense , the reason people are playing Ragnarok is unknown, however it is due to game content and versatility.

Having unbalanced skill on MMORPG isn't even a problem, except for the selfish idiot trying to solve all problems alone and eventually trying to 1 hit kill every single others player. That's the worst way to play a MMORPG, playing alone and blaming the balance of skills ...

You can't enter in PVP arena without backups, you are alone then you die alone.
You can't deal with oblivion curse , or slow+cast + leech end, just QQ in your corner.

All in all, you need to make a team, so unbalanced skill isn't even relevant, 1 striker, 1 assist, 1 healer, 1 buffer, 1 orga , etc...

And the more combination is available the better, otherwise games like Magic Assembly, Pokemon, Maple, Final Fantasy Tactis wouldn't be the most played game on the planet.

[Minabe]

Doing Tripper's job.

[annaquin]

The problem is not balance, it's the 1HITKO area that destroyed the whole game.

The reason behind is to make the Kafra shop working at max rendment.

Private server however should have walk away from Kafra shop and the 1HITKO area . You will notive that most server that sustain long range with large population banned somehow the 1HITKO game.

But still, class should have at least 30 methods to reach a certain of DPS or BUFF.