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Started by Vanidel, May 25, 2011, 08:22 PM

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Vanidel

Alright, before we start this, I wanna start off.
I've donated to this server before. I do like it so far.
But the donation gears are rather imbalanced, but that is not the point here.

Well, in the pictures im about to show you, I was approached by a player offering to sell me in game items for real world currency.
I played along, honestly tempted to buy the damn'd things, but I realized I should do something **** and totally within the rules sense this guy really wanted to be an idiot.

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Now this is where it gets REALLY INTERESTING.
Apparently, this guy actually owns the paypal account that people donate to. What I had donated to before. Thats how he knew I would be able to buy them. Clever git.
He naively went off on this thing about trust. Being the devious bastard I am, I played along. This guy honestly expected me to buy these items and break the rules. He actually did hand me the phree card and I handed it back, playing along. This guy was hooked thinking I was going to buy.

Here are some more pictures of the convo.
I "agreed" to "pay" for Phreeoni and Maya Purple.

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The last 2 cards in my inventory are Phreeoni and Maya Purple

After having the cards traded to me; I never sent the money and I was talking to a friend who apparently revealed another person willing to sell cards.
I didnt pursue this venture, but obviously its something admin should look into right? Well apparently he has other things to do.
Now, after I learned my cards had been "confiscated" a day or two later. I had put them in storage and wanted to put them in a good weapon.

Now, here is the conversation I had with the admin. Note, I did create the chatroom because I was upset really. I believe I had done nothing wrong. And I had done nothing wrong right?

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And here is me talking to my friend. Then Im contacted by the person who traded me the cards after I told him I would not pay him. Apparently they are meaningless right? I laughed my donkey off and just kept going.

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So, what have we learned.
The person I got the cards from-
Not only owns the paypal account and has access to donations.
Is good friends with the admin.
-
Thats already 2 red flags.

Apparently because he tried to make an rule breaking deal and I jipped him for it, I am a "Scammer."
Please tell me how I scammed him out of an illegal deal?
Did I break any general RO rules?
Yes what I did was ****, but as far as I know, I broke NO rules.

And to top it off, I apparently I am the ONLY one with screen shots or Any type of proof.

This means that the admin acted on the word of mouth of his friends and removed cards from another player because his friend made a stupid decision.
Yes the cards were "confiscated." But how do I know that? He probably returned them for all we know. He has no proof of anything happening other than what his friend said and the cards being in my storage.

Does this make me a rule breaking player? Or a rule following ****?
I choose the latter.
And does this count as corruption on the admin's part since his friend got a slap on the hand and the cards were unfairly removed from my storage?

Am I in the wrong or right?
I know what I did was mean, but I followed the rules to the best of my ability while acting like a ****.

yC

#1
Well interesting.

1) Apparently, this guy actually owns the paypal account that people donate to.

-- This immediately make me think it's the admin/owner selling it.  Don't you feel the same?

2) What I had donated to before.  Thats how he knew I would be able to buy them.

-- Added more support to #1, he know you are a donator (with money that is) that's why you get contacted and not the rest of the random ppl around you.

If this whole story is true on your part, I'd believe it's the admin/owner selling rather than the "friend of the admin".  Since if you think about it, would you share your bank account with your friend? no right?  Why do you think the "admin" will share a PayPal account with anyone else.

Also worth noting is, he traded you the cards without you paying for them.  Shows he is confident you can't get away with the card without paying.  Must be someone with power doing it?

I can't move this straight to Hall of Shame because this is very one sided at the moment.  Out of all the ss you didn't take the ss for the trade window?  I also can't find the person naming an email address to where to send the money in the ss, so can't compare the email address with the donation address of the server.

Lastly, you are charged with "illegal real money trade".  You only get a warning?  You didn't get a ban?  worth wondering but can't go to their site to look up anything.  

Moving to Server Discussion since this is not a report on a violation of listing and barely a rant from the sound of it.


Twin

Well, thats curious. Prob slightly different from the story that I got from the admin. Yes, the admin did confide to me regarding this matter because I am the server adviser. I will be honest here and say that the admin didn't tell me that the friend of his had access to the donation paypal which I do agree should be something only the admin have access to. But even with that, you are still not in the right:

First, I will mention here that it has been told that any illegal action have to be reported to the admin AKA the GM, (Heck, we got a loading screen with a background saying that trading in-game item/zeny with real life money is not allowed) any failure to comply or attempt to take advantage of it will result in punishment. Your action was definitely an example of the second one.

Secondly, the buyer (AKA the person reporting this) didn't pay the item AKA the card meaning he didn't buy the item, legal or illegal means, it still means that he by any right is not entitled to keep the item in question and even if he does keep the item, it would have been theft rather than entitlement and will still be judged as guilty.

As for getting a warning rather than a ban, I've known the admin for quite a few years by now and if there is one thing I can tell about him is that he is quite lenient when it comes to punishments at least for the first time. Just because the offender got a warning and nothing else doesn't mean that he let it go, just that next time it happens, being banned would be the least of your worries.

Usagimimi

In reply to Twin's comment, I'm sure the OP would have reported it had he not suspected the perpetrator to be part of the staff himself. It's called playing stupid as to let a truth slip.

It wouldn't be theft; the seller was committing an illegal action, the buyer took advantage of it to exploit a possible truth beneath it all, therefore handing over an item. The buyer didn't uphold his side of the deal, no, because of the matter of things at hand.

Think of a it as a drug deal (at least, in Canada). The seller is the one that goes to prison. The buyer gets a slap on the wrist, unless they have a prescription. In this case:

Seller = Person suspected of being a staff member, trading in-game stuff for money he was sure the buyer would spend

Buyer = Person posting this subject, and a "delver into the truth"

Prescription = A good reason to do it, in this case, trying to figure out how the seller knew he had the ability to purchase said items, and the fact the seller mentions having his PayPal info'

I don't find the OP to be in the wrong. I'd have done the same thing, as to exploit a potential fault or abuse within the staff. If attempting to find the truth by not illegal, but deceitful, means is against the rules, then so be it, if it betters the server in the end, and berids of yet another sorry excuse for a person, let alone a GM/admin.

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LeaLea

I can see an email address on the 4th screenshot. Can't read it myself though, my eyesight is terrible.

In reply to Twin, thats not leniency, that's a little bit silly. It's pretty much saying you can get away with everything once.

I have to agree, I think it's a rather high up staff member/admin trying to sell the cards to you. Why would someone who was offering a RMT report you. And I agree that he shouldn't have been punished. If someone gave him the cards without taking a "payment" from the player, more fool him. That's like banning someone for picking something up someone accidently dropped.

Twin

#5
Its one thing to try to delve into the truth as you say, its completely another to assume that he is entitled to the illegal item. Even with the example of drug traffic given by Yusifer, the buyer is still not entitled to the goods at hand for the very basic reason that the item is illegal to be in his posession at the first place. If he really wants to put the truth in the open, a simple no then go to the forum and report the guy would be more than enough, not pretending to accept the deal then put the blame. While I do agree the guy who tried to sell it was at fault, the buyer isn't right either, at least as far as his turn of action is concerned.

As far as the punishment goes, I do agree that they should have been banned, both parties are at fault: The seller for attempting to make the deal and the buyer for partaking in the illegal deal. But as far as the punishments are concerned, it was done by the discretion of the GM, they both got a warning and the item at hand are confiscated/deleted so neither have it right now, both parties got off lightly and could have let the matter go and get on with their life but instead it escalate like this which doesn't benefit anyone other than making both parties look silly and destroying the server name along with the innocent players in it.

adhelle

But wait, if the suposed seller paypal was the same as the paypal people donate to, doesnt that make him the server owner or admin or the donation handling guy? So doesn't it mean the staff was selling mvp cards for real money behind the curtains? Isn't this what the OP is reporting? I don't know why you are ignoring that. Or perhaps I misundertood something.

hyoukikyo

Now this is where it gets REALLY INTERESTING.
Apparently, this guy actually owns the paypal account that people donate to. What I had donated to before. Thats how he knew I would be able to buy them. Clever git.
He naively went off on this thing about trust. Being the devious bastard I am, I played along. This guy honestly expected me to buy these items and break the rules. He actually did hand me the phree card and I handed it back, playing along. This guy was hooked thinking I was going to buy.

Here are some more pictures of the convo.
I "agreed" to "pay" for Phreeoni and Maya Purple

Yes. He owns the account. Not the admin but the paypal and they are friends.
Yes. He was naive to do and trust such a devil like you.
He did an illegal thing of selling currency and you did an illegal thing by conversing into it instead of Reporting to Admin.



Now, here is the conversation I had with the admin. Note, I did create the chatroom because I was upset really. I believe I had done nothing wrong. And I had done nothing wrong right?

You were upset about what? Losing something you got illegally?
Done nothing wrong?
You never even reported about it?
And you even mention of wanting to put it in a weapon?
What does that mean?
It means you Never intended to do anything about it.
What is most disgusting about it
Is that you are a donor yet you take up illegal acts.
Pathetic.



Apparently because he tried to make an rule breaking deal and I jipped him for it, I am a "Scammer."
Please tell me how I scammed him out of an illegal deal?
Did I break any general RO rules?
Yes what I did was ****, but as far as I know, I broke NO rules.

No
You are not a scammer.
That is out of the context.
You are a lying and scheming bastard though.

Yes.
You broke a general RO rule.
Taking part of illegal dealings.
Without any intention to do something about it.
That is the rule you broke.


As for the Paypal Owner account.
He was an idiot.
As for the GM.
He is another Idiot.
All three of you are.

However
there is no reason to put a Flag on the paypal account owner and the GM being friends.
That has nothing to do.
The whole deal was completely the action of the paypal owner account.
The GM had nothing to do it and never knew it.

In Fact.
If the deal actually happened.
the GM would Never know.
Because the Paypal account owner was like you. A lying scheming bastard.

What should happen?
Reprimand and ban the paypal account owner from playing to avoid doing Stupid things.
Ban the supposed "Buyer" for conversing in illegal deals instead of Reporting.
Give the GM a chance to fix this because he only knew of it after the whole thing already happened.
And after that.
Smack him in the head for all he is worth.

Vanidel

1.  I would have reported it to the admin had it been anyone else.
But I immediately suspected something was amiss when they both used the SAME paypal account.

2. I actually was willing to report him had he lied to the admin about me "Stealing." I would have posted all the evidence on the forums.

3. The admin went completely off the word of mouth of one of his "Friends."

4. Yes I am a devil, especially in RO to people who dont use common sense.

5. I love how you say I took part in illegal dealings Hyou. Words are can mean alot. But it was never a "deal." All I did was talk to the guy and ended up getting free cards. I was never going to send real money.

=/

And yes I donated because I liked the server. But the donations are imbalanced as hell. But thats another story.

Now here is the real question?

Should I get my cards back?
Since they were taken back on the words of one his friends and no other evidence at all?

N2O

Hello this is Snickers, Admin of One4RO.

I just want to confim and clear things up here, not to defend anyone.

First of all, yes I've been using his Paypal account to receive donations from players, reason would be because I don't have a Paypal account of my own as Paypal is rarely (close to never) used to where I come from, and you can see from one of the screenshots provided there that "my friend" says that I am using his account because I didn't have one.

I wasn't planning on doing this for a long-term, since I knew having an account of my own would be better than constantly using someone else's.
(Yes, I was stupid for using someone else's account but I actually trusted this guy, and he also trusted me with his personal account. His money is in there too.)

(Additional information : As soon as I was aware of this situation, all donations in his Paypal account had been transfered to a newly created Paypal account, one belong to me but is not connected to any credit card or bank account, yet.)

As for the issue, I want to clear that I was not part of this deal with My only connection to this deal was the Paypal account. I wasn't aware of this situation until someone told me about it which by time, this guy already got the cards and canceled the deal.

As this is a serious issue, I acted immediately and confiscated the cards because as far as legality of the items, the cards we're obtained thru an illegal means.

As for punishments, this is the first issue of this kind to happen in this and I wanted this to finish up without much fuzz and decided to gave both of them a warning. Regarding the items, the card in question is not in any case rightfully belong to either party, it will not be given to the buyer as it was obtained through illegal means nor to my friend as part of his punishment but instead to be deleted. (I cannot give proofs of that I did not return the cards to him, all I can give you is my word that I did not. I don't even know how to prove this. If you have any idea how to proof it, tell me.)

Even if you didn't do your end of the bargain, it's still an illegal deal. Thats a fact and by all right is punishable.

I have already taken action to fix this matter peacefully and the only thing missing is a whooping for my friend which won't be given for a while since we are miles away.

Another side note : My friend didn't receive anything for letting me use his Paypal account. Again I cannot give proofs about this, all I can give is my word.)
Give us a try. Mid-rate server. :)

Vanidel

"I wasn't aware of this situation until someone told me about it which by time, this guy already got the cards and canceled the deal."


Wait wait wait wait.
Lemme get this straight.
You removed cards from another player.

With NO EVIDENCE AT ALL? EXCEPT FOR WORD OF MOUTH?

Mushu

Admin probably checked the logs (common sense), he saw that 1 MP and 1 Phree card were spawned, given to you, he deleted them. He should have removed the staff member, because that guy is a sleezy douche, if he isn't going to or hasn't yet, that server isn't worth playing at all. Damage has been un-done. End of story, not hall of shame material imo.

Illapse

"So basically, you accepted an illegal deal and did scam."

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahadfgklwgei3tw.

Flawless Admin logic just because he was asked for evidence.

LeaLea

If the items were obtained illegally then you have a problem within your staff. (And yes they should have been removed)

The fact that you didn't make your own paypal from the off with throw a lot of red flags for people as well. Bad decision on your part.

Usagimimi

I'm still not convinced the OP did anything wrong. Was he given the chance to report the situation to a higher up? Or was he removed on the spot, along with the "items", without given the time to lay his case out, to explain he did what he did just to see how corrupt this supposed staff member was?

If his intentions were to seek the truth and exploit it, thereafter agreeing to the removal of such items (Phreeoni, MP), then he shouldn't be punished.

If he was exploiting this guy just to keep the stuff (which would be stupid, since if the guy IS a staff member, the OP would have known that scheme wouldn't work), then he is at fault.

I'm thinking the former was his intentions, and I don't think his actions were illegal. I've seen people praised for finding such corruption on other servers. I don't see why it would lead to punishment on this one.

The only issue I have is this:

Quote"Should I get my cards back?"

In all sincerity, the cards were a result of the enquete, and shouldn't be given back as they are evidence of corruption, and not a "reward" for exploitation.

Triper

#15
Lol so you abused something and want the "prize" from that back? Be glad to not be already banned.

NoobCakes

Hello I am the other person in this thing that happened.

1. I am not part of the staff at all or have ever been part of the staff I am a normal player who joined 4 days after it opened.




2. - Added more support to #1, he know you are a donator (with money that is) that's why you get contacted and not the rest of the random ppl around you.

Yes i new he has donated and no i did not single him out because of it,  i was just asking a couple people if they wanted to buy some cards yes for actual money, and someone i asked told me to ask someone else because they were asking around for me to see if anybody wanted to buy my card, and thats when i talked to Vanidel.

3. Admin probably checked the logs (common sense), he saw that 1 MP and 1 Phree card were spawned, given to you

The cards were not spawned like i said im no admin/staff member or anythign a normal player one person who quit server gave me his items thats how i got phree , and the maya purple i hunted with my champ first one to get it in the server I even have a screenie.

http://i1221.photobucket.com/albums/dd469/zauten/screenOne4ROMidRate004.jpg

Like i said im a  legit player not no one with special powers.  

Yes i did try to sell cards for actual money which is my stupid fault, for even thinking that I have played RO for 8 years and have never did nothing illegal, I made a big mistake,  and bout him keeping cards he doesnt deserve them why should he did he spend hours hunting them? No i did it was my dumb a** fault thought for trying to trade them, without nothing I am in the wrong for that.  I was not thinking with my head clearly. Well im not doing nothing illegal again and i left that server i dont want them to have a bad name because of me.  I banned myself for what i did pretty much. I was in the wrong.  The Admin and that had nothing to do with this either it was me.  

Twin

Just want to address something in Yusifer's post:

The OP have the full intention of taking advantage of the deal, to quote him:"I had put them in storage and wanted to put them in a good weapon"

That shows that he was at the second scenario that you gave: exploiting it to keep the item.

NoobCakes

yes i see that not too mention he told me that hes did this to other servers and has gotten the cards like thanatos and maya and stuff cuz of stupid  people like me with no common sense

Usagimimi

Quote from: Twin on May 26, 2011, 09:48 PM
Just want to address something in Yusifer's post:

The OP have the full intention of taking advantage of the deal, to quote him:"I had put them in storage and wanted to put them in a good weapon"

That shows that he was at the second scenario that you gave: exploiting it to keep the item.

Then the OP deserves a kick in the donkey, I missed that part - though I addressed the "get my cards back" bulls$17 in the later post.

:]

yC

2 questions, just curious nothing too important.

1) N2O/Snickers, what countries don't use paypal these days except China?

2) NoobCakes, what's the logic in your mind when you traded the two mvp cards to the OP without any collateral.  You might never get them back as it did happened in this case.  I can't think of a way that will work with real money trade, the trades are done in different platform so there is just .. trust to be trusted even with a third party holder it's still about trust.

NoobCakes

true and i wasnt thinking when i did it i was worried about bills at my home and i make neough to cover stuff but i was a little behind and ya i should of never did anything liek that and i was wrong for it like i said this is my firts time ever trying to do anything like that and its my last i dont no why i thought i could trust him but your right i was a fool for thinking of trusting im never making that mistake again and the card si wasnt worried because they r just cards something that can be replaced eventually if not theres other stuff.  I dont want to see the server or gm goign down because of me thats why im not playing no more. Atleast for awhile.   And yes i was dumb for putting trust into someone i dont even know.

somedude

#22
Intresting... To me this sounds like the Vanidel guy is QQing because he got caught in the middle and lost his "illegal cards".  He loses his card and so he has to take it out on the admin and the server.

First of all, the fact that his screenshot mentions that he's done this on several servers and gained all these rare cards shows that he's too comfortable with getting away with having rare cards after finding someone do something illegal as a prize.  If any server is in their right damn mind, I'm pretty sure he wouldn't be able to keep those illegal "prizes" regardless; being rewarded? - sure! have some obbs, be my guest.  However, being rewarded with these rare mvp cards? phreeoni? maya purple, thanatos on other servers? hah, highly unlikely.

Secondly, you can not compare having this "illegal trade" to having someone "drop" their cards on the ground and someone picking it up, it is totally different.  Having to negotiate deals whether you're bullcrapping the heck out of the guy is different than someone losing items by dropping it on the ground don't you think? i.e Here's the difference between the two - deals are not free, dropping is, that's what makes it illegal.  Just like that one person's drug deal analogy, why is dealing drugs illegal? duh because you have to pay for it.  Economically, It's illegal because the government isn't making money from taxing it.  If drugs were free it wouldn't be illegal because the government would have no incentive to tax those damn drugs and earn revenue.  Therefore how can they be the same?

Lastly, as mentioned earlier, Vanidel may make himself be perceived as if he's doing the right and prestigious thing.  How does he get to decide whether earning these cards is the correct prize for capturing such faultiness?  Did he say he was going to report it to the GM after this happened?  How can you believe such words?  He says how everything the GM does is just word of mouth.  Technically, if Vanidel was to say he was going to report it, why hasn't he in the beginning?  What he says is also word of mouth from his own mouth, you can't honestly believe that he would do the right thing and report it.  The fact that he mentioned that he was going to put the cards in his weapon proves that he's corrupt AND also believes that he now has the edge over the admin and thinks he can do whatever he wants because he thinks he can control whether this server will die or not due to his screenshots.

Let me give you a quick train of thought.  If this unfortunate event hadn't been reported and he wouldn't have gotten caught, do you honestly think that he will report this to the GM? highly unlikely knowing that he would risk the loss of his mvp cards.  Even if the cards were useless and he would just give it up, why would he even try blacklisting the server? because to me I'm sure it's not even worth the time and effort to do so.  It just proves to me that he also wanted to be in this illegal scheme of his.  He can reply back to this message saying how I don't know him so I can't say anything, but no one knows who he is as well and so we can definitely say the same, how can we trust his words as well?

All in all, from my perspective, it looks as if Vanidel tries to take advantage of every opportunity he gets, believing he can manipulate servers however he wants when hes making illegal trades with non-administrative characters.  Also, when he gets caught, His actions speak as if he can threaten a server and get what he wants by posting these silly screenshots that also exploits himself as a faulty player.  

All i can say is the two dealers are both in the wrong but seriously? Wow, QQ more Vanidel, QQ more.

Twin

Actually, Yc. Believe it or not, some countries around south east Asia are still not used to internet transactions, some of them like Indonesia and several other still growing or third world countries have most of their population not even have credit cards at the first place much less paypal.

Vanidel

#24
Somedude, yes I was rather upset.

I didn't report it because
1.
He uses the same paypal as the admin.
HUGE RED FLAG in my mind. I knew I probably was going to have something happen, but I didn't think the admin would act with no evidence at all. Which he did....

So the first thought that goes through my mind is that even if I did report it, nothing would be done because hey, who knows where these cards came from.
I just wanted my cards back, but it looks like I wont be getting them. Oh well.

2. As with catching other people doing stupid things. Its like trying to tease someone with quick dropping an item and trying to pick it up. Yet I have a poring pet out and it catches the item or card that is rare and/or valuable. Of course 'im not going to give it back. Or I have had on 1 or 2 servers, players accidentally trade me instead of their friend who is sitting next to me in a town. That is what I meant with taking advantage of others stupidity.

3. I never said I was doing something prestigious at all. =/
Im just upset that the GM acted with no evidence at all other than what his friend said.

4. If you are gonna make me sound like some gungho badass then I might as well start playing the role. Usually im a good person on RO servers, but when people act like idiots around me, I take advantage of them. Sorry for acting smart in a competitive game. =/

Illapse

The cards aren't yours to keep. 

Warock

Proper case of covering up corruption, I feel Admin/Owner was forced to cover up as it would have effected server badly [Tendency of server owners]

I just wanted  to say to the  admin / server owner that,As you are in the said position you should be aware what is going on in your server, According to me you should have been the most responsible person in server, Hence should have banned/terminated those who are involved in it, Sending clear indication to the community that no illegal ways would be tolerated at all

Server Owner/ Admin always keeps an eye on donation and on GM logs ,If you were more cautious/ Alert this might have avoided

This is all things makes my mind think that even Server owner/ Admin had some nexus in this issue
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