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Triper · May 26, 2011, 07:44 PM

Lol so you abused something and want the "prize" from that back? Be glad to not be already banned.

NoobCakes · May 26, 2011, 07:52 PM

Hello I am the other person in this thing that happened.

1. I am not part of the staff at all or have ever been part of the staff I am a normal player who joined 4 days after it opened.

2. - Added more support to #1, he know you are a donator (with money that is) that's why you get contacted and not the rest of the random ppl around you.

Yes i new he has donated and no i did not single him out because of it, i was just asking a couple people if they wanted to buy some cards yes for actual money, and someone i asked told me to ask someone else because they were asking around for me to see if anybody wanted to buy my card, and thats when i talked to Vanidel.

3. Admin probably checked the logs (common sense), he saw that 1 MP and 1 Phree card were spawned, given to you

The cards were not spawned like i said im no admin/staff member or anythign a normal player one person who quit server gave me his items thats how i got phree , and the maya purple i hunted with my champ first one to get it in the server I even have a screenie.

http://i1221.photobucket.com/albums/dd469/zauten/screenOne4ROMidRate004.jpg

Like i said im a legit player not no one with special powers.

Yes i did try to sell cards for actual money which is my stupid fault, for even thinking that I have played RO for 8 years and have never did nothing illegal, I made a big mistake, and bout him keeping cards he doesnt deserve them why should he did he spend hours hunting them? No i did it was my dumb a** fault thought for trying to trade them, without nothing I am in the wrong for that. I was not thinking with my head clearly. Well im not doing nothing illegal again and i left that server i dont want them to have a bad name because of me. I banned myself for what i did pretty much. I was in the wrong. The Admin and that had nothing to do with this either it was me.

Twin · May 26, 2011, 09:48 PM

Just want to address something in Yusifer's post:

The OP have the full intention of taking advantage of the deal, to quote him:"I had put them in storage and wanted to put them in a good weapon"

That shows that he was at the second scenario that you gave: exploiting it to keep the item.

NoobCakes · May 26, 2011, 10:15 PM

yes i see that not too mention he told me that hes did this to other servers and has gotten the cards like thanatos and maya and stuff cuz of stupid people like me with no common sense

Usagimimi · May 26, 2011, 10:32 PM

Quote from: Twin on May 26, 2011, 09:48 PM
Just want to address something in Yusifer's post:

The OP have the full intention of taking advantage of the deal, to quote him:"I had put them in storage and wanted to put them in a good weapon"

That shows that he was at the second scenario that you gave: exploiting it to keep the item.

Then the OP deserves a kick in the donkey, I missed that part - though I addressed the "get my cards back" bulls$17 in the later post.

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yC · May 27, 2011, 01:00 AM

2 questions, just curious nothing too important.

1) N2O/Snickers, what countries don't use paypal these days except China?

2) NoobCakes, what's the logic in your mind when you traded the two mvp cards to the OP without any collateral. You might never get them back as it did happened in this case. I can't think of a way that will work with real money trade, the trades are done in different platform so there is just .. trust to be trusted even with a third party holder it's still about trust.

NoobCakes · May 27, 2011, 01:17 AM

true and i wasnt thinking when i did it i was worried about bills at my home and i make neough to cover stuff but i was a little behind and ya i should of never did anything liek that and i was wrong for it like i said this is my firts time ever trying to do anything like that and its my last i dont no why i thought i could trust him but your right i was a fool for thinking of trusting im never making that mistake again and the card si wasnt worried because they r just cards something that can be replaced eventually if not theres other stuff. I dont want to see the server or gm goign down because of me thats why im not playing no more. Atleast for awhile. And yes i was dumb for putting trust into someone i dont even know.

somedude · May 27, 2011, 01:27 AM

Intresting... To me this sounds like the Vanidel guy is QQing because he got caught in the middle and lost his "illegal cards". He loses his card and so he has to take it out on the admin and the server.

First of all, the fact that his screenshot mentions that he's done this on several servers and gained all these rare cards shows that he's too comfortable with getting away with having rare cards after finding someone do something illegal as a prize. If any server is in their right damn mind, I'm pretty sure he wouldn't be able to keep those illegal "prizes" regardless; being rewarded? - sure! have some obbs, be my guest. However, being rewarded with these rare mvp cards? phreeoni? maya purple, thanatos on other servers? hah, highly unlikely.

Secondly, you can not compare having this "illegal trade" to having someone "drop" their cards on the ground and someone picking it up, it is totally different. Having to negotiate deals whether you're bullcrapping the heck out of the guy is different than someone losing items by dropping it on the ground don't you think? i.e Here's the difference between the two - deals are not free, dropping is, that's what makes it illegal. Just like that one person's drug deal analogy, why is dealing drugs illegal? duh because you have to pay for it. Economically, It's illegal because the government isn't making money from taxing it. If drugs were free it wouldn't be illegal because the government would have no incentive to tax those damn drugs and earn revenue. Therefore how can they be the same?

Lastly, as mentioned earlier, Vanidel may make himself be perceived as if he's doing the right and prestigious thing. How does he get to decide whether earning these cards is the correct prize for capturing such faultiness? Did he say he was going to report it to the GM after this happened? How can you believe such words? He says how everything the GM does is just word of mouth. Technically, if Vanidel was to say he was going to report it, why hasn't he in the beginning? What he says is also word of mouth from his own mouth, you can't honestly believe that he would do the right thing and report it. The fact that he mentioned that he was going to put the cards in his weapon proves that he's corrupt AND also believes that he now has the edge over the admin and thinks he can do whatever he wants because he thinks he can control whether this server will die or not due to his screenshots.

Let me give you a quick train of thought. If this unfortunate event hadn't been reported and he wouldn't have gotten caught, do you honestly think that he will report this to the GM? highly unlikely knowing that he would risk the loss of his mvp cards. Even if the cards were useless and he would just give it up, why would he even try blacklisting the server? because to me I'm sure it's not even worth the time and effort to do so. It just proves to me that he also wanted to be in this illegal scheme of his. He can reply back to this message saying how I don't know him so I can't say anything, but no one knows who he is as well and so we can definitely say the same, how can we trust his words as well?

All in all, from my perspective, it looks as if Vanidel tries to take advantage of every opportunity he gets, believing he can manipulate servers however he wants when hes making illegal trades with non-administrative characters. Also, when he gets caught, His actions speak as if he can threaten a server and get what he wants by posting these silly screenshots that also exploits himself as a faulty player.

All i can say is the two dealers are both in the wrong but seriously? Wow, QQ more Vanidel, QQ more.

Twin · May 27, 2011, 02:46 AM

Actually, Yc. Believe it or not, some countries around south east Asia are still not used to internet transactions, some of them like Indonesia and several other still growing or third world countries have most of their population not even have credit cards at the first place much less paypal.

Vanidel · May 27, 2011, 08:51 PM

Somedude, yes I was rather upset.

I didn't report it because
1.
He uses the same paypal as the admin.
HUGE RED FLAG in my mind. I knew I probably was going to have something happen, but I didn't think the admin would act with no evidence at all. Which he did....

So the first thought that goes through my mind is that even if I did report it, nothing would be done because hey, who knows where these cards came from.
I just wanted my cards back, but it looks like I wont be getting them. Oh well.

2. As with catching other people doing stupid things. Its like trying to tease someone with quick dropping an item and trying to pick it up. Yet I have a poring pet out and it catches the item or card that is rare and/or valuable. Of course 'im not going to give it back. Or I have had on 1 or 2 servers, players accidentally trade me instead of their friend who is sitting next to me in a town. That is what I meant with taking advantage of others stupidity.

3. I never said I was doing something prestigious at all. =/
Im just upset that the GM acted with no evidence at all other than what his friend said.

4. If you are gonna make me sound like some gungho badass then I might as well start playing the role. Usually im a good person on RO servers, but when people act like idiots around me, I take advantage of them. Sorry for acting smart in a competitive game. =/

Illapse · May 28, 2011, 10:55 AM

The cards aren't yours to keep.

Warock · May 29, 2011, 04:34 AM

Proper case of covering up corruption, I feel Admin/Owner was forced to cover up as it would have effected server badly [Tendency of server owners]

I just wanted to say to the admin / server owner that,As you are in the said position you should be aware what is going on in your server, According to me you should have been the most responsible person in server, Hence should have banned/terminated those who are involved in it, Sending clear indication to the community that no illegal ways would be tolerated at all

Server Owner/ Admin always keeps an eye on donation and on GM logs ,If you were more cautious/ Alert this might have avoided

This is all things makes my mind think that even Server owner/ Admin had some nexus in this issue