Non-trans only server! Interested?

[mathio]

Hi all,

I had this idea... but when I made a search here I found out I was not the only nor first one to think about it. There were also unsuccesfull attemps to create a server like this (attemp one, attemp two).

Here is very rough specification I'd like to present:

Technical thingies
Latest eAthena with few customizations (like removing Rebirt quest). Older vesions were also in consideration but due to many bugs it was decided to use latest one. Also nontrans classes might find it challenging and fun to explore new locations.
Server will be hosted in Europe (Slovakia) with focus on European players. Players from other parts of the world are welcome too, but due to different timezones we will adjust WoE for Europe (twice a week in the evening). We might consider opening another set of castles for people in other timezones (and make the time of WoE acceptable for them), if there will be enough of players.

No rebirth
Novice -> 1st class -> 2nd class; no soullinker, no gunslinger, no ninja, no TK. I think that first classes are more balanced, none is insanely overpowered and good guild needs most of the characters to be efective in WoE. Also it not only makes the game more ballanced but lets newcoming players catch up more quickly even with lower rates: level 90 and 99 nontrans are comparable, but 98 nontrans is no match for 90 trans (and we all know 90-99 is the hardest part).
It might disappoint some players who cant play without overpowered char
Maybe also remove homunculus - officialy approved bot, but still bot.

PvP at all maps except towns
PvP with no exp loss for death when killed by other player. Players would be able to attack everyone except guild, ally and party. There will also be some safe level" that will protect you from getting killed (about 50). It should encourage playing in parties (which is cornerstone of RO) because parties can defend easier against potential PKers and actually do the PKing too.

Rates
Base and job rates are not gonna be higher than 1-1.5. This is to prevent getting 99 super fast and spoiling all the fun. I was thinking of dynamic drop rate (probably 100-20% = 1x, 20-3% = 2x, 2*0.11 = 3x, 0.1-0.01% = 5x) to prevent droping loads of items but also making hunting cards and rare equips easier. Autoloot only for rare items (like <1%).

Customizations
No warper, reseter, healer, etc.
We will try to include custom quests for all, or at least most, headgears that are available in RO (mainly those with main purpuse to make its wearer cute).
Will have PvP, Party-vs-Party, GvG tournaments and leagues.
There should be NPCs (all over the world) that will change certain items for other (for example a weapon for 100 pieces of some highly dropped loot from monster). For example they could also trade trans-only equips from players, because it will have no other use.
Regular events for exp-increasing items to make life easier for new players.
Custom quests that will be more challenging than official ones which are documented at the internet (and people dont think, only go step by step using HowTos).

And more (I'm just too lazy to type it all here in english).

Conclusion
I need to make plans for summer. And this might be part of them, if the interest is high enough. I already got feedback from about 10 people who like the idea and would most probably jin the server once its up. But you have to agree that server needs far more than 10 people to be a good one - at least 10-15 times more.
Pleae let me know whether you are interested in joining and possibly bringing your guild, friends, family, co-workers etc.

Bye...

[-sao`]

Haha, I got your e-mail. I'll be glad to help you set up a server like this, I always wanted to play a non-trans server again but I don't think I could ever GM again. I just wouldn't have the time to do it. Want to PM me you're MSN or AIM information so we can talk more about it?

[Anti-Static Foam Cleaner]

I'm pretty sure there already is a server doing this; too lazy to look up the name.

[superja]

Ramine RO

http://ratemyserver.net/index.php?page=detailedlistserver&serid=4975&itv=6&url_sname=RamineRO

[mathio]

-sao` > Thx for offer but I already have people to handle the work around server

Anti-Static Foam Cleaner, superja > Well, server with 2 people online is not really what I was aiming for But thanks anyway, maybe my server would end up the same way. Anyway, thats why I asked here - to avoid this happening...

[GM Faith]

This is something i was discussing with friends a year or so ago.

Its a nice idea, IMO trans classes ruined RO and 3rd classes are set to destroy it utterly 

Howerver, as nice an idea as it is, its the biggest kind of niche-server and one that would be extremely difficult to pull off, especialyl with so much of the new end-game PVM encounters relying heavily on Trans-class skills.

[Rehael]

This is something i was discussing with friends a year or so ago.

Its a nice idea, IMO trans classes ruined RO and 3rd classes are set to destroy it utterly 

Howerver, as nice an idea as it is, its the biggest kind of niche-server and one that would be extremely difficult to pull off, especialyl with so much of the new end-game PVM encounters relying heavily on Trans-class skills.

In this case how about using a previous episode?

[GM Faith]

In which case, you're seriously going to struggle to compete for any players at all.

Like i said, nice idea, but not entirely practical unfortunately.

[Rehael]

In which case, you're seriously going to struggle to compete for any players at all.

Like i said, nice idea, but not entirely practical unfortunately.

You're right, but i'm sure that if you gather 3 capable people with you, you'd be able to revamp the whole 13.1 Episode to suit the needs of a server where only Second classes exist.

[MWright967]

Lol. What a rip off of Wright RO....

[Rehael]

Lol. What a rip off of Wright RO....

huh?

[Anti-Static Foam Cleaner]

*Koki grabs the popcorn and nods at JJJ reminding him not to spam

[MWright967]

Lol. What a rip off of Wright RO....

huh?

This entire server is a rip off of Wright RO. The server-side customs, the item exchanging s***, the rates (to some extent) and most of all...The non-trans. Except for Obstacle RO, Wright RO was the first server to encompass any of that stuff...When I took it down, within a few months more clones like Highland RO and Grand RO popped up....Shameless crap if you ask me.

[Guest]

My Thoughts

all servers are entire rip offs of other servers
server originally near never exists all ideas are recycles after a while, once in a hundred servers a unique idea comes up and as soon as it does its snatched up 

[close]

and guys... keep it civil please @_@
no bursting out into flames >.<

[MWright967]

My Thoughts

all servers are entire rip offs of other servers
server originally near never exists all ideas are recycles after a while, once in a hundred servers a unique idea comes up and as soon as it does its snatched up 

[close]

and guys... keep it civil please @_@
no bursting out into flames >.<

I'm not. I'm simply saying that its a rip off my server, which it is.

[Pandora]

I've seen a few non-trans server before, it's sortof original, but certainly not unique, no one holds a copyright on that idea. 2 years ago there was a server called retRO opened by a former friend of mine. I don't know how old Wright RO was, but I doubt it was the first non-trans server.

[GM Faith]

Looks like someone has a superiority complex 

But yeah, It isn't just RO Pservers that copy each other.

Every MMO ever copies each other, Look at what Gravity is doing - RagnaWoW Online 

[Lore]

Looks like someone has a superiority complex 

But yeah, It isn't just RO Pservers that copy each other.

Every MMO ever copies each other, Look at what Gravity is doing - RagnaWoW Online 

Not quite.

Superiority complex refers to a subconscious neurotic mechanism of compensation developed by the individual as a result of feelings of inferiority. (yay wikipedia)

He's just pissed. I think you would be too, in his position.

As for Ragnarok 2 (i assume thats what "ragnaWoW" is), its nothing like World of Warcraft...except for the 3-D look which is all animu-japano-style anyhow.

[MWright967]

I've seen a few non-trans server before, it's sortof original, but certainly not unique, no one holds a copyright on that idea. 2 years ago there was a server called retRO opened by a former friend of mine. I don't know how old Wright RO was, but I doubt it was the first non-trans server.

First of all, I never said I had the first non-trans server. Obstacle RO was the first non-trans, and I am a personal friend of Shiken who even became a GM on Wright RO for a brief period of time. He was the first non-trans, and I was the second. I know this because Wright RO has been around in some form or another for a long donkey time, and its always been non-trans. I simply said that my server was the first to encompass the non-trans AND the things the first poster was listing too.


As for you GM Faith, let me explain something to you. How would you like it if you basically reinvented an entire style of gameplay, and then some little nooblet comes along and says ''Hey guess what! I have this totally new and fantastic idea that no one has ever done before! woot!''. I don't think you would. I don't have a problem with people copying my ideas, as long as credit is given where credit is due. Don't start manufacturing telephones if you're gonna say you're the guy who invented them.

@lore: Thanks for the defense bud.

[GM Faith]

Sorry if that sounded like flame, I was only kidding around.


Wasn't really referring to RO2, just what Gravity is turning RO into.

Battlegrounds
Instanced dungeons
A portal to another realm
Stop me if this sounds familiar.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if Guillotine Cross didn't use Energy when they're released either.

Don't get me wrong, i love RO. It just saddens me to see Gravity turning it into WoW.

..when did this topic get so derailed?

[Nyalyn]

some little nooblet comes along and says ''Hey guess what! I have this totally new and fantastic idea that no one has ever done before! woot!''.

I had this idea... but when I made a search here I found out I was not the only nor first one to think about it.

Reading comprehension, ahoy!

How would you like it if you basically reinvented an entire style of gameplay

I don't have a problem with people copying my ideas, as long as credit is given where credit is due.

My good sir, the only thing you invented is a whole new degree of being stuck up your own rectal passage.


On topic; I support this effort, although I am highly sceptical it will ever take off.

[Rehael]

some little nooblet comes along and says ''Hey guess what! I have this totally new and fantastic idea that no one has ever done before! woot!''.

I had this idea... but when I made a search here I found out I was not the only nor first one to think about it.

Reading comprehension, ahoy!

How would you like it if you basically reinvented an entire style of gameplay

I don't have a problem with people copying my ideas, as long as credit is given where credit is due.

My good sir, the only thing you invented is a whole new degree of being stuck up your own rectal passage.


On topic; I support this effort, although I am highly sceptical it will ever take off.

You Sir, made my week.

[Anti-Static Foam Cleaner]

Battlegrounds
Instanced dungeons
A portal to another realm
Stop me if this sounds familiar.

Good lord not this s*** again

[GM Faith]

Its somewhat relevant to the discussion 

[Guest]

ughhh do not start up with this again >.>
please guys don't start flaming >.<



but as an ontopic note, theres tons of ppl that want a non trans server =P
and i mean tons

its a good idea but, the majory of players do want trans.... so a non trans server might be a large-ish population but i don't expect it to be anything huge huge =3


but tell me if im wrong ^^

[Brainstorm]

Sorry, but wow didnt invent nor battlegrounds nor instancing maps.
And portals to another world...I can think even on stargate, just to show how wow was "original" on that idea.
Diablo had portals to another world too (hell and heaven?).

I recall instances on Ultima Online, and maps similar to "battlegrounds" (capture the flag, conquer fields, castle vs castle) on UO, runescape, and many other less famous games.

[MWright967]

Sorry, but wow didnt invent nor battlegrounds nor instancing maps.
And portals to another world...I can think even on stargate, just to show how wow was "original" on that idea.
Diablo had portals to another world too (hell and heaven?).

I recall instances on Ultima Online, and maps similar to "battlegrounds" (capture the flag, conquer fields, castle vs castle) on UO, runescape, and many other less famous games.

....Since when is Runescape less famous than Ultima Online? Every 11 year old kid on earth has a Runescape account. Hell, I remember play it myself in a yesteryear long past

[Pandora]

Doesn't matter than wow wasnt the first one to implement those things, currently it's the most popular mmo by far and I do think gravity are trying to change ro to mimic some features of this big concurrent.

[Anti-Static Foam Cleaner]

Which is like a monkey wearing a tuxedo trying to pass for a man.

[GM Faith]

Which precisely proves my point that there is no such thing as originality

Holy off-topic batman!

[Majora_younglink]

Which is like a monkey wearing a tuxedo trying to pass for a man.

You mean that wasn't a man?

And I don't think Gravity is quite copying WoW as much as it is trying to copy off every MMO cliche. WoW is not the origin of everything MMO and what makes them fun. People give it WAAAAAAAY too much credit in my opinion for the stuff they actually brought to the table in new features to the MMO community.

inb4randomedramafromWoWfans

[mathio]

Hi, I havent been watching this topic. You know, its summer and there is other stuff to do than browsing forums... Anyway, thanks for your comments.

First of all I'd like assure MWright967 that I didnt copy this idea from anyone and this is first time I heard about his server. Me and my friends got this idea one evening after WoE - we were tired of trans classes and just thought that nontrans server could drag some attention. I have to agree with JJJ and would like to quote him here:

all servers are entire rip offs of other servers

I dont know whats the point of spamming here about "rip off" but whatever.
Just a sidenote: First servers without trans classes where those that were started when there were no trans classes in RO

Okay, back on topic. I decided not to start the server after all. It was due to lack of time and also I realized what GM Faith said:

This is something i was discussing with friends a year or so ago.

Its a nice idea, IMO trans classes ruined RO and 3rd classes are set to destroy it utterly 

Howerver, as nice an idea as it is, its the biggest kind of niche-server and one that would be extremely difficult to pull off, especialyl with so much of the new end-game PVM encounters relying heavily on Trans-class skills.

Its just hard to keep such server alive. Even though few groups of 3-4 ppl will say they will join for sure, unfortnately it wont work.
And at the end one example from real life (of Ragnarok ). Currently I played at HR that was focused on WoE and it had  trans and nontrans WoEs, each at different time. And guess what? While there were barely any ppl at nontrans WoE, trans WoE was pretty crowded. And thats nice example of people not wanting to play nontrans classes because they dont know how to play it - you need whole guild to cooperate, its now a one man show (sinx or creator, etc) like trans classes.

PS: Actually I might go and check out that WrightRO, it looks nice I hope the population is high enough.
PS 2: Or I might not, it appears to be down :-/

[Scars]

Hey I am about to launch classic sever just like this, interested? The website/game is running atm, just some finalizing+ forum to do before I publicly announce it, if you add me I will show you that its real, you guys still interested?

My msn is [email protected]

[mathio]

Just let us know when its done

[Scars]

You can logon, but its beta we should be able to finalize everything in next couple of days.

www.frozenro.net

You can register using _m _f for now.

We will not wipe when beta ends. Guaranteed.