Midgard Legends

[Zulf]

Right? I cringed hard reading this whole ticket, the things he was claiming and how big of a shameless liar he was being. He's trying really hard to use Origins' popularity to make his server look legit.

It's half truths. Ischia, Repth and I were helping all the new GMs (information, advice, etc); even Leo was on hiatus when he joined.

I even used the name "Vector" back then, but due to another server (an admin also called Vector), I just used my normal nickname, I wonder why he never used me as verification.

They seem skilled by what you read on their ads or wiki

We already complained over that. Their ToS looks "dangerously" too similar to ours.

[2k2]

We already complained over that. Their ToS looks "dangerously" too similar to ours.

He tries really hard to use Origins name to build his own, with either lies or inflated tales, which shows a really lack of capability. It's not surprising they use bits of different servers to look more serious and professional. A good example of this is how most of their class rebalance and even the text are a direct copy of Payon Stories' class rebalance.

Instead of learning and working hard to build a name, they just try to steal other's work to claim its theirs and use established names to people empathize more. Cronwell/Loki and his staff should get a special place on the Hall of Shame section, if that's still a thing.

[luckyblackat]

I know I did stuff, I acted based on the information available at the time. I apologise deeply. I talked to Leo and Zulf about this already.

[Zulf]

Yup. Don't shoot the messenger, please. It's all right (with Lucky). The rest is on the community to decide.

[dastgir]

> [ADM]Loki admits he was a GM in OathRO, that he didn't partake the staff corruption and RMT in that server and that he knows p2w guild and has loads of evidences against them ready for use. He then goes to say that he's not Leaf, Walterion or Daurgi (all OathRO GMs)

He wasn't GM, as there were no such GMs named Walterion/Leaf/Duargi on OathRO.

He's just making up GM names or confusing with other server (weird benefit of doubt, but happens).

By the language that's been spoken in screenshot, I don't think he's Ayami as well (the only one who knew that language).

Bot/Macro investigator was(and still is) Belenor, who isn't part of MidgardLegends as well.

Although it's a nice server, Why they would go with the route of false claims and lies is strange and weird.

[Blinzer]

I really wish this p2w guild would pick on someone more their own size

Me. It's me. I'll take them all on.

Please be so kind as to call them here for me, would you dear? They've caused enough trouble for one lifetime.

[Sairek Ceareste]

He wasn't GM, as there were no such GMs named Walterion/Leaf/Duargi on OathRO.

He's just making up GM names or confusing with other server (weird benefit of doubt, but happens).

By the language that's been spoken in screenshot, I don't think he's Ayami as well (the only one who knew that language).

Bot/Macro investigator was(and still is) Belenor, who isn't part of MidgardLegends as well.

Although it's a nice server, Why they would go with the route of false claims and lies is strange and weird.

I can confirm with Dastgir that he was not an OathRO GM or ever part of the staff and that none of those people he named were ever on staff within OathRO.

The only ones who originally founded OathRO was myself, Dastgir and Oathkeeper. We were the original three, with only Oathkeeper and I planning the inception with Dastgir hired to work on the development side of server infrastructure.



I should also point out that it is curious that if Midgard Legends has been allegedly worked on for 3 years, why would Loki, in their own words according to the timeline, join in on OathRO's development as a staff member? OathRO's inception, fall, and rebranding to Payon Stories to current day hasn't even been 3 years. The time to incept OathRO and launch it was only around a month, too. So he joined during the development of their own server and decided joining another server would be a good idea, and then take data from that server after it went down to claim that they worked on it? It's very confusing and doesn't make sense.

If it's an issue of mistaken server identity, it's certainly a very strange one considering Loki is naming off specific people from specifically OathRO. It is very strange to just "oopsie" a server you (didn't) work on before while "answering" questions about specific events of a server as if you did, and creating literal fanfiction from the server's history as if they were there and and pretending that it's fact. That is a massive red flag.

[Herpderp]

They removed their server from RMS since it has so many bad reviews hahahah what a joke

Probably one of the main drivers behind the wipe   
yC lets server owners exploit that to purge their reviews, that hata no kokoro server did the same 

[2k2]

I can confirm with Dastgir that he was not an OathRO GM or ever part of the staff and that none of those people he named were ever on staff within OathRO.

The only ones who originally founded OathRO was myself, Dastgir and Oathkeeper. We were the original three, with only Oathkeeper and I planning the inception with Dastgir hired to work on the development side of server infrastructure.



I should also point out that it is curious that if Midgard Legends has been allegedly worked on for 3 years, why would Loki, in their own words according to the timeline, join in on OathRO's development as a staff member? OathRO's inception, fall, and rebranding to Payon Stories to current day hasn't even been 3 years. The time to incept OathRO and launch it was only around a month, too. So he joined during the development of their own server and decided joining another server would be a good idea, and then take data from that server after it went down to claim that they worked on it? It's very confusing and doesn't make sense.

If it's an issue of mistaken server identity, it's certainly a very strange one considering Loki is naming off specific people from specifically OathRO. It is very strange to just "oopsie" a server you (didn't) work on before while "answering" questions about specific events of a server as if you did, and creating literal fanfiction from the server's history as if they were there and and pretending that it's fact. That is a massive red flag.

I read somewhere (reddit I think? Probably from luckyblackcat) that the "3 years development" was as [ADM]Cyberneko's personal fun project with zero intentions of becoming a real server, until he recently met Loki/Cronwell/Rebelo on twitch chat, included him on his project and was convinced to make it a real server. Loki/Cronwell/Rebelo then brought up the rest of the team composing the staff from previous servers he was involved and luckyblackcat that was a friend of his or something.

If this story is true, that explains why the server was in such a crude state when it comes to bugs, the "3 years development" basically being another inflated number to draw interest, with the real number being whatever time they joined together to work on the server (not even months I bet? Probably weeks).

LuckyBlackCat, was it you that told this? Can you explain in your own words what exactly happened and the story of the start of this server?

[2k2]

There should be a rule about this. It's scummy how server owners can just exploit this.

I mean, they were already exploiting the reviews by allowing it during beta and ask the players to inflate it, then things went south, server was launched in a meme state, real reviews dropped in and they took it down to preserve their image?

Then they will reopen the/make a new server's profile with more inflated reviews?

yC, can't you bring back their original profile and reviews or permanently block them from having a profile here? They exploited the system twice already by opening reviews during beta and then taking it down as soon as loads of negative reviews dropped in.

[Sairek Ceareste]

I read somewhere (reddit I think? Probably from luckyblackcat) that the "3 years development" was as [ADM]Cyberneko's personal fun project with zero intentions of becoming a real server, until he recently met Loki/Cronwell/Rebelo on twitch chat, included him on his project and was convinced to make it a real server. Loki/Cronwell/Rebelo then brought up the rest of the team composing the staff from previous servers he was involved and luckyblackcat that was a friend of his or something.

If this story is true, that explains why the server was in such a crude state when it comes to bugs, the "3 years development" basically being another inflated number to draw interest, with the real number being whatever time they joined together to work on the server (not even months I bet? Probably weeks).

LuckyBlackCat, was it you that told this? Can you explain in your own words what exactly happened and the story of the start of this server?

That's a plausible explanation I suppose - but still doesn't explain the false claims of being staff with OathRO though and making fanfiction events of what happened as fact.


I'm not on PS staff anymore, but I'm still on the staff channel for the now-defunct OathRO so I can see all the staff chat logs and every single channel (and was also there from the very beginning) and just, yeah. What's being stated is allegations at best and simply false information at worse.

OathRO/PS already has enough rumors flying around and doesn't need anymore false ones from someone the staff, current and old, don't even know.

[Nova]

That's some "interesting" information about the Midgard Legends Admin team. There is more stuff as well which will probably come out soon.


But why do you keep fabricating stories about p2w and Reborn? They have NEVER been caught cheating or doing anything illegal, because they have never done it. You fell for a troll post from Reborn that he made for his own amusement (the post where he claimed to have made 50k USD from RMT on OathRO).

Why don't you go and ask the Admin team of OathRO and Payon Stories themselves? Or better yet go and send an email to gravity asking to check the logs from iRO back in the day. You won't find anything, because it was never there. Gosh!

[yC]

yC, can't you bring back their original profile and reviews or permanently block them from having a profile here? They exploited the system twice already by opening reviews during beta and then taking it down as soon as loads of negative reviews dropped in.

I wouldn't call that an exploit.  We can't force a server to list themselves so thus we have the option to allow server owner to take down their own listing.

The rule is:  If the server is openly accepting players and the server is playable, the server can receive reviews.  Beta or not is not an issue, since some servers can be on beta for months or years. 

It is a double edge sword.  If a new listing is re-created, the server would lose all of its reviews no matter good or bad.  Take for example, https://ratemyserver.net/index.php?page=detailedlistserver&serid=22416 there are 16 positive and 11 negative reviews.

Reviewers are not stupid, reviewers that would voice their opinions to warn others are far from stupid.  Nature will do its work even when a server re-create a new listing.

This is a bit off-topic talking about RMS itself, I won't be answering more ruling concerns in here.  But anyone can find me in the RMS discord as always.

Edit:

It turns out Gekkot is Kushiro that is bypassing a ban.  So I just merged the 2 topics into one while removing all his posts.

[ADM Ornstein]

Followed late development of the server closely for a few months, Neko and Blackcat are cool guys from what little I know.

I'd not consider Loki a nice guy tho. He's talked multiple times about how "Ornstein can't handle the server/content alone" in the past (yes, I took it personally as I was recommending ML during the beta on MY OWN DISCORD as a fun pre-re option) or blatantly lying about multiple things.

I also consider the issues they had on launch to be a serious matter that I constantly received info that is being taken as a joke and not being held accountable at all.

The fact the reddit post, the discord announcement about the wipe and other details were not made by the admins himself (and Loki was "in a hospital" on launch weekend due to sleeping too little/overworked) is something I personally disagree with.

All the information added here regarding oathRO/originsRO are major red flags too.

As a side note, I had personally to mention specifically I was on their discord as an "observer/supporter" and directly mention I was not part of staff multiple times due to "specific wording" used by their staff regarding me being "with them".

Sadly I can no longer support the project due to the way they handled the situation, the s*** of screenshots I received of Loki talking s*** about PRM publicly (dead server, can't deliver, won't stay for long some even during a livestream of one of our streamers), while I was supporting them was the last straw.

Good luck to them, some of them do have talent, but when you have 8 people in staff and ANOTHER ADMIN has to talk to players to have some patience during the "pre-wipe silence" because the staff is full MIA(were community GMs also fixing issues?), you need to review some details so things can go bad. I was even called out as "why don't you offer help" while contacting their GMs multiple times to try to provide some assistance on the case, as I don't like when any server has major issues, it hurts everyone.

I was also banned there so yeah. Time will tell how it'll unfold.

I only hope Neko and Blackcat don't get much flak from this mess, I like those guys.(Can't speak about the GM team, never talked to them much).

[Playtester]

I think it's totally fine to delist your server on RMS when you realize you f*** up and want to restart the server in an attempt to make it better.

If someone genuinely wants to do better we should always give them a chance and rate them based on whatever they offer now rather than what they offered in the past.

(In this case it seems like it would be a lot of work to do better, but still.)