Insulting Servers You Play On

[Anti-Static Foam Cleaner]

its easy to ban someone, but its even easier to set up a proxy server for them to come back on

No.

[You]

Insulting Servers You Play On

A great idea, I do it all the time.

[Guest]

if its easy, just keep banning whenever you see him, if you let him be, in this case to the point where he doesnt really care of getting cought anymore, other players will think its ok to do those things in the server.

if you cant handle this one person as a GM or even worse, as server admin, you are just plain stupid, how players gonna trust you on keeping the server up?.

my response to that is:

Banning was no good, proxies are free for all.
The email requirement was no good, free email services exist all over the world.

its easy to ban someone, but its even easier to set up a proxy server for them to come back on

No.

i've done it before, if you know how to its not really too difficult...

How would you know if the player is the same person you banned if the player uses a proxy and created a new account? Guess-much? Oh, not to mention, played legit for a while and then cause havoc on the server?

i talked to him so i know its him XD

[Hutchy]

I don't even know what's going on in this thread anymore XD

There's a certain level of maturity and understanding that one has to have in order to be a fair, successful GM imo (separate topic entirely, but yeah), and if the logic you operate by is indeed "Ban first, ask questions later", you're going to end up with an empty server.

If a player is doing something that is destructive to the environment - say, a GM is handing out perfect-refined items or something - then yeah, ban and ask questions later. But if someone is botting, you have to investigate (thus several servers having bot-specific teams on their staff). You have to observe the person's behavior and attempt to contact them. We're not so fortunate that bots just parade around servers with LOLIMABOT as their name, it doesn't work that way.

A player could have his chat windows closed, for instance, and that could be why he's ignoring PMs sent to him. I myself have known players that just don't care to speak to anyone else on the server unless they knew them beforehand, and they got accused of being bots because they wouldn't respond to anyone when spoken to. Were they banned? No, because GMs looked into it personally and just found him to be antisocial. XD There are several different measures to take when told to investigate someone who may be a bot, and if you don't bother to go through them, you may very well be banning a player.

Reiterating the original point, a GM is not stupid (whether lacking intelligence or intended as an insult) because a bot slips by them. Depending on the size of the server, the attention of its staff is often elsewhere. You can't hold events and botcheck at the same time, nor can you show new people how to play, or work on a technical issue. It's obvious to me that a lot of the people in this thread just don't understand how staffing an RO server works, because it's not always black and white. Actually, this applies to work IRL, too. I wonder how many people here have jobs.

:<

[yC]

This topic is getting way out of topic and getting finger pointing here and there.

JJJ you may want to clean up the mess of off-topic / insulting posts then reopen, or leave the topic locked.

[Guest]

cleaned up the last few posts, hopefully people can remain ontopic =/

[laoganma]

How would you know if the player is the same person you banned if the player uses a proxy and created a new account? Guess-much? Oh, not to mention, played legit for a while and then cause havoc on the server?

Blargh...why do you keep side-tracking topics to GMs when its about players who sabotages their own server?

you dont need to care if you banned the same person or not, if you see players using WPE in town, just ban, simple, im not talking about botting, 1st post never mention about botting at all, i dont even know why people starts talking about botting. 

[Irrelevant]

How would you know if the player is the same person you banned if the player uses a proxy and created a new account? Guess-much? Oh, not to mention, played legit for a while and then cause havoc on the server?

Blargh...why do you keep side-tracking topics to GMs when its about players who sabotages their own server?

you dont need to care if you banned the same person or not, if you see players using WPE in town, just ban, simple, im not talking about botting, 1st post never mention about botting at all, i dont even know why people starts talking about botting. 

We could say the same about your statement, wasn't this topic about "insulting servers you play on". That's directly related to verbal abuse, sexual harassment, staff harassment, forum spamming and/or trolling and such. I don't see how WPE relates to "insulting a server you play on".

Besides, even if someone WPE'd in your server, you DO want to know who he is, more specifically, you do want to know his/her IP address because lord knows it's easy to walk a few blocks away from your house, install RO on a cyber-cafe and WPE all over again. Sooner or later you'll need to apply a correct range IP ban instead of banning the same person over and over from slightly different IPs.

[laoganma]

We could say the same about your statement, wasn't this topic about "insulting servers you play on". That's directly related to verbal abuse, sexual harassment, staff harassment, forum spamming and/or trolling and such. I don't see how WPE relates to "insulting a server you play on".

Besides, even if someone WPE'd in your server, you DO want to know who he is, more specifically, you do want to know his/her IP address because lord knows it's easy to walk a few blocks away from your house, install RO on a cyber-cafe and WPE all over again. Sooner or later you'll need to apply a correct range IP ban instead of banning the same person over and over from slightly different IPs.

im replying base on the 1st posts example, a player using WPE in town, and i never say anything about banning IPs, just ban accounts thats related to WPE, specially those that using it to spam in town, admin and his GMs should be able to handle this ONE person.

[Hutchy]

It's hopeless, don't waste your time.

[Skotlex]

I know this is offtopic... and may be deleted at the moderator's decision, but really... Lao, change your signature.

Nothing tells me "pathetic low self-esteem" as loudly as such a huge signature in which basically you worship yourself.

I have nothing on-topic to say since I already gave my views on the issue, but I really could not let this post go unsaid. Apologies to whoever got offended by it, and cheers to whoever enjoyed it.

[Loki]

I know this is offtopic... and may be deleted at the moderator's decision, but really... Lao, change your signature.

Nothing tells me "pathetic low self-esteem" as loudly as such a huge signature in which basically you worship yourself.

I have nothing on-topic to say since I already gave my views on the issue, but I really could not let this post go unsaid. Apologies to whoever got offended by it, and cheers to whoever enjoyed it.

Almighty Skotlex has pass judgement!

We could say the same about your statement, wasn't this topic about "insulting servers you play on". That's directly related to verbal abuse, sexual harassment, staff harassment, forum spamming and/or trolling and such. I don't see how WPE relates to "insulting a server you play on".

Besides, even if someone WPE'd in your server, you DO want to know who he is, more specifically, you do want to know his/her IP address because lord knows it's easy to walk a few blocks away from your house, install RO on a cyber-cafe and WPE all over again. Sooner or later you'll need to apply a correct range IP ban instead of banning the same person over and over from slightly different IPs.

im replying base on the 1st posts example, a player using WPE in town, and i never say anything about banning IPs, just ban accounts thats related to WPE, specially those that using it to spam in town, admin and his GMs should be able to handle this ONE person.

A person who uses WPE and you just ban his account? Why not make another account when his IP isn't banned.

Actually, lets stop this. We've really gone from "Player Insulting Servers" into "Banning Rule-Breakers". Replying to the first post about an example and elaborating on it when it has nothing to do with the title isn't exactly on-topic btw.

[Scars]

I know this is offtopic... and may be deleted at the moderator's decision, but really... Lao, change your signature.

Nothing tells me "pathetic low self-esteem" as loudly as such a huge signature in which basically you worship yourself.

I have nothing on-topic to say since I already gave my views on the issue, but I really could not let this post go unsaid. Apologies to whoever got offended by it, and cheers to whoever enjoyed it.

Totally Agreed.

Praise are for you to give to others, never to yourself.
Or your children >.>

@Topic

I gave my opinion guess not much more to say, other then most of the time insult shows defeat anyway, they insult cause they can't do anything else.

[Irrelevant]

We could say the same about your statement, wasn't this topic about "insulting servers you play on". That's directly related to verbal abuse, sexual harassment, staff harassment, forum spamming and/or trolling and such. I don't see how WPE relates to "insulting a server you play on".

Besides, even if someone WPE'd in your server, you DO want to know who he is, more specifically, you do want to know his/her IP address because lord knows it's easy to walk a few blocks away from your house, install RO on a cyber-cafe and WPE all over again. Sooner or later you'll need to apply a correct range IP ban instead of banning the same person over and over from slightly different IPs.

im replying base on the 1st posts example, a player using WPE in town, and i never say anything about banning IPs, just ban accounts thats related to WPE, specially those that using it to spam in town, admin and his GMs should be able to handle this ONE person.

...goes on alt characters to do things like spam in Prontera, and WPE drop arrows and other annoying acts...

In which case, using your logic of "ban first, ask questions later", you'd get nowhere since it is the same person just using alt accounts. No IP bans ever issued means he just makes a new account and WPEs all over again. Not to mention that your "solution" doesn't cover the other issues JJJ mentioned and I quote:

...he repeatedly goes to other places, like the server's forums, and RMS, and creates posts that are meant to be nothing more then harmful, he also goes on alt characters to do things like spam in Prontera, and WPE drop arrows and other annoying acts, he also tells new players to leave, in a not so kind manner and he insults just about everyone...

[laoganma]

In which case, using your logic of "ban first, ask questions later", you'd get nowhere since it is the same person just using alt accounts. No IP bans ever issued means he just makes a new account and WPEs all over again. Not to mention that your "solution" doesn't cover the other issues JJJ mentioned and I quote...

like i said before just ban accounts thats related to WPE, unless you allow WPE for a certain "special" people then i have nothing more to say.

for other issues, if he say bad things (false claims) in server forum, just ban and state the reason unless of course saying bad things about your server is not breaking any forum rules then i have nothing more to say.

if he make up stuff to ruin your server reputation in other forum, speak up, provide some proof, write a good argument to counter all of his false claims. key word is "HONESTY"

@few posts above

please stop trolling and even worse, supporting troll with another troll.