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Offline Noble

Re: GGRO's population?
« Reply #45 on: Mar 22, 2015, 07:23 am »
I don't think this is the right place to advertise your server in such a "explicit" way, there are apposite forums threads for it.
 @[email protected] from my point of view I'd never join or even consider a server that publicizes in such a low way.
« Last Edit: Mar 22, 2015, 07:32 am by Noble »

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Offline Rider

Re: GGRO's population?
« Reply #46 on: Mar 22, 2015, 02:41 pm »
I don't think this is the right place to advertise your server in such a "explicit" way, there are apposite forums threads for it.
 @[email protected] from my point of view I'd never join or even consider a server that publicizes in such a low way.

I wholeheartedly agree that this is not the place for advertising one's server and me or my staff would never do such an act. With that said, I feel that it's a bit unfair to blame it on the server and put it down in that manner when they had nothing to do with it. 

Offline Adam Don

Re: GGRO's population?
« Reply #47 on: Mar 23, 2015, 03:07 pm »
sorry that i mentioned some server's name here.

it has nothing to do with the server owner's it was just i liked to share my view.
but sorry that i didn't know that mentioning server name here will be problem to others.
~Web Developer~

skype :- yuglighting

discord :- yug-webdev
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Offline Cawliflower

Re: GGRO's population?
« Reply #48 on: Mar 25, 2015, 02:03 pm »
I wholeheartedly agree that this is not the place for advertising one's server and me or my staff would never do such an act. With that said, I feel that it's a bit unfair to blame it on the server and put it down in that manner when they had nothing to do with it.
Yet you've gone to extreme measures to actually discuss and defame ggRO on your forums. You've also gone as far as making mindless, passive aggressive commentary relating to how "your server won't be like ggRO" blah blah.

I don't believe that for one second. A player Rider is close to actually goes onto our forum statuses (he goes by Interactive) and says things such as "wonder what the server counts really are here", etc. etc.



I'm too lazy to come up with proof / care. However, Rider is truly full of it. Lol. You can't even find one post about AevaRO on our forums, hun. We simply don't trash-talk with our players. Not my style. My staff is over it, I simply don't give a s*** and I think Rider's server will release and nothing will come of it. Truth be told, I think you need the advertisement and hype of someone to actually launch a server the size ggRO opened with. Doesn't matter who you are in the RO community - really, it doesn't. I only was a part of ggRO because of that - I was done with server administrating a year+ ago and if it wasn't for the fact I am so passionate about programming and running development teams in life, I'd be done yester-year.

Also, to potential players... don't be fooled by those forum accounts. They're a bunch of spam bots. I mean, look at the names (iamallan, iamgodfury, IAMPANDA):

Hysterical. I don't even with this server and Administrator. They have a lot of nerve.

P.S. If you have a valid IPB license, you can activate their spam service. Just sayin'.
« Last Edit: Mar 25, 2015, 02:16 pm by Cawliflower »
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yesterday im ask gm crewkie hitler for pls ad balance costum like angel wing or 4slot narutaro BUT HE SAY NO.. um sry i thot this was ranganarok and not a nazis???????

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Offline Hyperactive

Re: GGRO's population?
« Reply #49 on: Mar 25, 2015, 10:04 pm »
Hey Cookie,

I'm not sure if you're insinuating that I'm Rider or that I was told by Rider to "defame" ggRO but neither are true. I hardly know Rider other than a few brief chats in-game during their closed beta; chats that mostly consisted of which clothing palettes to use. Besides, there's plenty of people already talking poorly of the staff at ggRO on ggRO's forums as I'm sure you're aware. There's countless status updates, threads, and posts that are making fun of the population numbers or openly talking bad about the server. My status update or posts are hardly anything compared to the stuff that is posted by other ggRO forum members.

Someone on AevaRO's forums (also not Rider) asked why they would play there instead of ggRO. They asked, and as someone who came from ggRO, I answered. If they asked why AevaRO in general I would have responded without mentioning ggRO. But since they asked for a direct comparison, I gave them one. I don't see the issue there. I feel like you're trying to make something out of nothing.

As for my status updates, there's only been one that asked about the number of vendors which is pretty harmless. The others were from long before AevaRO existed and are meaningless. Just like many other members of the ggRO community, my posts have been critical of the way things were long before I even knew there was an AevaRO or who Rider was. So don't think that I just started being critical of your server just because I made an account on AevaRO's forums.

Hysterical. I don't even with this server and Administrator. They have a lot of nerve.

P.S. If you have a valid IPB license, you can activate their spam service. Just sayin'.

Then quit posting? Rider posting to every little thread to advertise with his signature is annoying just like you trying to create drama and pretend that you're done posting.

P.S. I agree. It would be nice to not see inflated forum numbers. Inflated numbers are annoying whether it's on the forums or in-game with autotraders.

P.P.S. Is this a rant and rave topic yet?

Offline Cawliflower

Re: GGRO's population?
« Reply #50 on: Mar 25, 2015, 10:36 pm »
Hey Cookie,

I'm not sure if you're insinuating that I'm Rider or that I was told by Rider to "defame" ggRO but neither are true. I hardly know Rider other than a few brief chats in-game during their closed beta; chats that mostly consisted of which clothing palettes to use. Besides, there's plenty of people already talking poorly of the staff at ggRO on ggRO's forums as I'm sure you're aware. There's countless status updates, threads, and posts that are making fun of the population numbers or openly talking bad about the server. My status update or posts are hardly anything compared to the stuff that is posted by other ggRO forum members.

Someone on AevaRO's forums (also not Rider) asked why they would play there instead of ggRO. They asked, and as someone who came from ggRO, I answered. If they asked why AevaRO in general I would have responded without mentioning ggRO. But since they asked for a direct comparison, I gave them one. I don't see the issue there. I feel like you're trying to make something out of nothing.

As for my status updates, there's only been one that asked about the number of vendors which is pretty harmless. The others were from long before AevaRO existed and are meaningless. Just like many other members of the ggRO community, my posts have been critical of the way things were long before I even knew there was an AevaRO or who Rider was. So don't think that I just started being critical of your server just because I made an account on AevaRO's forums.

Then quit posting? Rider posting to every little thread to advertise with his signature is annoying just like you trying to create drama and pretend that you're done posting.

P.S. I agree. It would be nice to not see inflated forum numbers. Inflated numbers are annoying whether it's on the forums or in-game with autotraders.

P.P.S. Is this a rant and rave topic yet?
I haven't bumped the thread with conversation.

The take-away here is I don't involve myself, the server, or anyone near anything related to another server.

Your little hype about auto-trade numbers is a load of crap. Every server posts their server counts with them in it. Get over your beef with ggRO. It didn't work for you as a server, so move on. Simple as that.  You're digging for straws at this point. Pro-tip: I can reply to posts as much as I want as they involve me.
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yesterday im ask gm crewkie hitler for pls ad balance costum like angel wing or 4slot narutaro BUT HE SAY NO.. um sry i thot this was ranganarok and not a nazis???????

DivinityRO 6.9 coming soon!

Offline Hyperactive

Re: GGRO's population?
« Reply #51 on: Mar 25, 2015, 11:45 pm »
The take-away here is I don't involve myself, the server, or anyone near anything related to another server.

I think by taking the initiative to snoop around AevaRO you've already involved yourself in another server's affairs. Same goes for replying to Rider's passive aggressive arguments that don't explicitly say ggRO's name. Is his passive aggressiveness annoying? Sure. Is he actually referring to you? Probably. However, no matter how much you delude yourself into thinking that you don't involve yourself with anything related to another server, you do. If you didn't, you wouldn't have posted your response earlier. ;)

Don't worry, it's not uncommon for admins to check out similar servers that could possibly be competition. (inb4 you say AevaRO isn't competition)

Your little hype about auto-trade numbers is a load of crap. Every server posts their server counts with them in it. Get over your beef with ggRO. It didn't work for you as a server, so move on. Simple as that.  You're digging for straws at this point. Pro-tip: I can reply to posts as much as I want as they involve me.

Yep. It's common for a server to include vendors in their population count. It's annoying on every server, AevaRO included. I don't have any beef with ggRO anymore than you have beef with AevaRO. Pro-tip: I can reply to posts as much as I want as they involve me.

Also, I'm pretty sure the expression is "grasping at straws" not "digging for straws." Maybe your response was typed in a hurried frustration and you overlooked it. Just trying to help you out for next time you use that idiom.  :)
« Last Edit: Mar 26, 2015, 12:07 am by Hyperactive »

Offline LavenderScent

Re: GGRO's population?
« Reply #52 on: Mar 26, 2015, 12:02 am »
I think this has gotten a little personal. The initial post was directed at ggRO's population specifically, so I do not see issue in directed comments at ggRO.

Nonetheless, I will speak generally and others can extrapolate from there:

Cawliflower is correct in saying that higher population would generally indicate higher "real player" count. However, speaking from player experience, auto-trade numbers (as a proportion of the "real player" count) can differ greatly between servers. Factors to consider in determining the "real player" count would be:

1. Does the server allow multiclienting? If the answer is yes, then generally the "active population" is more likely to consist of multiple logins per "real player" (eg. 2-3 clients online per real player, rather than 1-2). The result being a lower number of "real players" in comparison to the online count.

2. Does the server have anti-leech provisions (eg. an inactivity timer or a block on same IP or MAC address exp sharing)? If the answer is yes, then generally the "active population" is likely to be higher, due to less multiclienting per "real player". The result being a higher number of "real players" in comparison to the online count.

3. Does the server allow autotrade? If the answer is yes, then generally there will be more vendors online per "real player". Rather than needing to keep multiple clients logged in, players can keep multiple merchants "online" whilst online or offline themselves. The result is a lower number of "real players" in comparison to the online count.

4. Does the server have a timer on autotrade? If the answer is yes, then generally there will be less vendors online generally (as it's more of a bother to keep up multiple merchants and old players that have left the server will have their merchants logged off). The result is a higher number of "real players" in comparison to the online count.

SUMMARY:

1. Multiclienting? Yes = more clients per player = less real players per count
2. Anti-leech? Yes = less clients per player = more real players per count
3. Autotrade? Yes = more merchants = less real players per count
4. Timeout on autotrade? Yes = less merchants = more real players per count

tl;dr
Higher population count generally means more players, but can not be directly compared to servers with different conditions due to the conditions affecting the proportion of the count being "real players".
.:: Lavender ::.

Offline Cawliflower

Re: GGRO's population?
« Reply #53 on: Mar 26, 2015, 12:32 am »
I think by taking the initiative to snoop around AevaRO you've already involved yourself in another server's affairs. Same goes for replying to Rider's passive aggressive arguments that don't explicitly say ggRO's name. Is his passive aggressiveness annoying? Sure. Is he actually referring to you? Probably. However, no matter how much you delude yourself into thinking that you don't involve yourself with anything related to another server, you do. If you didn't, you wouldn't have posted your response earlier. ;)

Don't worry, it's not uncommon for admins to check out similar servers that could possibly be competition. (inb4 you say AevaRO isn't competition)

Yep. It's common for a server to include vendors in their population count. It's annoying on every server, AevaRO included. I don't have any beef with ggRO anymore than you have beef with AevaRO. Pro-tip: I can reply to posts as much as I want as they involve me.

Also, I'm pretty sure the expression is "grasping at straws" not "digging for straws." Maybe your response was typed in a hurried frustration and you overlooked it. Just trying to help you out for next time you use that idiom.  :)
True, I actually don't care enough to proof read the responses to you.

I don't snoop other servers. Did I check the forum when I was made aware of the nonsense being said about me? Sure, anyone would. It was funny and entertaining to see that type of thirst. Do you really think I follow server openings? Absolutely NOT. LOL. As if I give two s*** or have the time, lmao. I just have hundreds of Skype contacts and people IMing me about things constantly.

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I think this has gotten a little personal. The initial post was directed at ggRO's population specifically, so I do not see issue in directed comments at ggRO.
Nah, I'm not that defensive of ggRO. As long as you're not making fun of my development team~  /lv That's why I'm there anyway.
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yesterday im ask gm crewkie hitler for pls ad balance costum like angel wing or 4slot narutaro BUT HE SAY NO.. um sry i thot this was ranganarok and not a nazis???????

DivinityRO 6.9 coming soon!

Offline Rider

Re: GGRO's population?
« Reply #54 on: Mar 26, 2015, 04:04 am »
Yet you've gone to extreme measures to actually discuss and defame ggRO on your forums. You've also gone as far as making mindless, passive aggressive commentary relating to how "your server won't be like ggRO" blah blah.

I don't believe that for one second. A player Rider is close to actually goes onto our forum statuses (he goes by Interactive) and says things such as "wonder what the server counts really are here", etc. etc.

I'm too lazy to come up with proof / care. However, Rider is truly full of it. Lol. You can't even find one post about AevaRO on our forums, hun. We simply don't trash-talk with our players. Not my style. My staff is over it, I simply don't give a s*** and I think Rider's server will release and nothing will come of it. Truth be told, I think you need the advertisement and hype of someone to actually launch a server the size ggRO opened with. Doesn't matter who you are in the RO community - really, it doesn't. I only was a part of ggRO because of that - I was done with server administrating a year+ ago and if it wasn't for the fact I am so passionate about programming and running development teams in life, I'd be done yester-year.

Also, to potential players... don't be fooled by those forum accounts. They're a bunch of spam bots. I mean, look at the names (iamallan, iamgodfury, IAMPANDA):

Hysterical. I don't even with this server and Administrator. They have a lot of nerve.

P.S. If you have a valid IPB license, you can activate their spam service. Just sayin'.

You must be high or something to come up with stuff like that. IMO you're barking at the wrong tree, mister.

Your entire rant was based on the false claim that I'm someone else and you've made quite the accusation. Talk about going to extreme measures to defame another server and doing the exact same things that just wrongly accused me of doing.

You're also trying really hard there to make Aeva RO look bad with your spam bot theory when we never had even a single issue with any spam post in our forums. I'm sure the spambots are having a really hard time just like you are trying to dig up dirt on me. All I can say is, keep trying kiddo and I know that no one can be perfect but I'm not going to come down to your level and try to make s*** up about you or your server on RMS.

Offline Bue

Re: GGRO's population?
« Reply #55 on: Mar 26, 2015, 11:10 pm »
Guys, lets get back to reality here.

The official and private Ragnarok scene isn't what it used to be.

Hotshot giving Ragnarok some exposure and Cawli sharing his knowledge on Athena is great for the private Ragnarok scene.

This is what we needed for a long time.

You must be high or something to come up with stuff like that.

If you're going to be around RMS or the private Ragnarok scene, then you should take down some names.

Cawli has been around forever.

This isn't the first time a server's admin and fanboys come onto this forum to start shit.

Unfortunately, Cawli enjoys this far more than defusing it.

Lets for once, not have history repeat itself.

I think your server has potential. But your move.

Offline Cawliflower

Re: GGRO's population?
« Reply #56 on: Mar 26, 2015, 11:26 pm »
Guys, lets get back to reality here.

The official and private Ragnarok scene isn't what it used to be.

Hotshot giving Ragnarok some exposure and Cawli sharing his knowledge on Athena is great for the private Ragnarok scene.

This is what we needed for a long time.

If you're going to be around RMS or the private Ragnarok scene, then you should take down some names.

Cawli has been around forever.

This isn't the first time a server's admin and fanboys come onto this forum to start shit.

Unfortunately, Cawli enjoys this far more than defusing it.

Lets for once, not have history repeat itself.

I think your server has potential. But your move.
Hey... they fed me. :(

I just find it entertaining. Sue me.

P.S. Hai Bue.  /kis Your move.
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yesterday im ask gm crewkie hitler for pls ad balance costum like angel wing or 4slot narutaro BUT HE SAY NO.. um sry i thot this was ranganarok and not a nazis???????

DivinityRO 6.9 coming soon!

Offline Bue

Re: GGRO's population?
« Reply #57 on: Mar 26, 2015, 11:33 pm »
It been a while Cawli. So whats up? You working full time GGRO?

Last I heard, you got a web dev job.

Offline Cawliflower

Re: GGRO's population?
« Reply #58 on: Mar 26, 2015, 11:50 pm »
It been a while Cawli. So whats up? You working full time GGRO?

Last I heard, you got a web dev job.
Lol... ggRO doesn't pay nearly like my full-time job - that's for sure. Otherwise, I'd be a sad panda. Yes, I am in software engineering full time for the last few years anyway. Yourself?
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yesterday im ask gm crewkie hitler for pls ad balance costum like angel wing or 4slot narutaro BUT HE SAY NO.. um sry i thot this was ranganarok and not a nazis???????

DivinityRO 6.9 coming soon!

Offline Bue

Re: GGRO's population?
« Reply #59 on: Mar 27, 2015, 12:40 am »
Yeah, same here. I got into software engineering as well. I heard in Texas, specifically Austin and Houston, is expanding like crazy. Most of my friends landed sick job offers over there and I almost went there on a GM offer too.

But yeah, rather than a server project like GGRO, my 'passion' project is this dumb item script compiler. Though, can't believe people actually think we do this shit for money, they're wrong.