Do u think GM's should have their own WOE guild?

[Lynxx]

In my opinion it relies on the person for the most part. As I see it, someone who plays on a server knows what's going on, he's connected to the server, knows the community from the inside, knows what problems there are as a player. Of course some people might have problems with GM's also being players, but those people will always have problems with GM's whether they play or not. I became a GM myself cause I was a player who enjoyed playing, wanted to improve the server, help out the community and give a better playing experience.

Usually GM's get picked from the community, cause you know who you hire then, they have a reputation, you know their personality a bit etc. Being a GM is mostly about "giving" to the community, you don't get anything in return. Not that that matters, but why play on some other server while all your friends etc are on the server you become a GM at? I wouldn't want to give up playing for being a GM. Some people might be ok with that and can just be focused on only being a GM.

Anyways everyone has a different opinion on that and of course I can understand the best would be if indeed a GM would only be a GM. The only way I could be just a GM on a server is when I would get hired on a server I don't play at, cause then I have no connection to it yet.

In my eyes there's nothing wrong with a GM having a legit as long as that person is capable of separating those and does not let his legit interfere with his GM business. And I have to agree, there's probably not much people that can do that as I have also witnessed myself.

So do you hire "unknown" people, or hire people from your community and ask them to give up their legit?

[Zockerking]

If you have enough time to play legit characters as GM then you are doing something wrong. Just my two cents.

[Pandora]

I kinda disagree, specially since your statement doesn't take into account how much time the person has available, nor how much time they play.

I could easily see someone who is studying and has their summer off, have plenty of time to be very active as a gm and play their legit casually or even very actively as well. Some people have much more time available than others. I work full time so I don't have that luxury, still I manage to play sometimes.

Anyhow, the topic was about woe guild, and that's more tricky, a successful guild takes a lot of time, not to mention the more competitive you are, the harder it is to stay impartial.

[Mamimi]

Re: Do u think GM's should have their own WOE guild?

Simply no.

So I should have to disband my guild after taking a GM position?

[asdfqwerty123]

Re: Do u think GM's should have their own WOE guild?

Simply no.

So I should have to disband my guild after taking a GM position?

Our server has @changegm left on so that guild master ownership can be transferred and the guild kept alive, just by a different person.

The purpose of the topic doesn't so much seem to be about the guild or WoE, but the separation between GM and player.

The truth is, not everyone is cut out to be a GM, which is why about 70% of the applications I get are rejected before they even get started, and then after that it's about a 50-65% fail rate on the internship process.  It all depends on how high your standards are and how willing you are to commit to those standards.  But trust me, the quality of staff is that much more worth it.

[Pandora]

He's right, choosing the right gm is vital and it's a hard process, but it pays off in the end. I'd say I have a 95% rejection rate on application if not more, this includes follow up questions and monitoring. Most people who apply think they are fit to be gm, but they are clearly not.

[MVP Champ]

GMs need love too!


or rather enjoyment, i fancy playing with friends with none of them knowing your a mod or a game master is quite entertaining xD!

they should have a legit WOE guild !

[Poki]

Until someone tells me why GMs should have a legit character aside from "having fun" or "getting close to the players", I will still say no to GMs with legit characters.

[Pandora]

This topic is more about the gm being a guild leader of a woe guild, which is icky because leading a guild takes time and effort, not to mention woe is very competitive.

As for gm playing with legit altogether I've always been for it, as long as they are professional. By being inside the community you really get a feel of the beat of the server, you know your player base, you can find bugs if any. Getting to know the players can help a lot when comes the time to choose a new gm too. Overall I see mostly advantages to being amongst the players, you know what's going on from the inside, not just from a GM's point of view, if you find that something you've added is too good or too bad you can adjust it. etc.

[Shinn]

This topic is more about the gm being a guild leader of a woe guild, which is icky because leading a guild takes time and effort, not to mention woe is very competitive.

As for gm playing with legit altogether I've always been for it, as long as they are professional. By being inside the community you really get a feel of the beat of the server, you know your player base, you can find bugs if any. Getting to know the players can help a lot when comes the time to choose a new gm too. Overall I see mostly advantages to being amongst the players, you know what's going on from the inside, not just from a GM's point of view, if you find that something you've added is too good or too bad you can adjust it. etc.

Pandora, would you say that the gms should be allowed to tell people that they are in fact a GM? or they should try to keep it a secret? if a secret...what happens when people find out?

[Pow]

This topic is more about the gm being a guild leader of a woe guild, which is icky because leading a guild takes time and effort, not to mention woe is very competitive.

As for gm playing with legit altogether I've always been for it, as long as they are professional. By being inside the community you really get a feel of the beat of the server, you know your player base, you can find bugs if any. Getting to know the players can help a lot when comes the time to choose a new gm too. Overall I see mostly advantages to being amongst the players, you know what's going on from the inside, not just from a GM's point of view, if you find that something you've added is too good or too bad you can adjust it. etc.

Pandora, would you say that the gms should be allowed to tell people that they are in fact a GM? or they should try to keep it a secret? if a secret...what happens when people find out?

Back when I used to play RO properly, everybody knew that I was a GM because of the simple fact that I was already known in the community before I was asked if I would have liked to become one. This helped alot because -most- people were pretty happy that I was appointed as such (Well.. They told me they were.. Could have been lying xD)

Anyway, the other GM's and I all had legitimate characters that we WOE'd in and it was always quite fun - since people knew we were there to play the game and not just discipline people..

And that is the way it should be.

-Pow

[Poki]

Hmm, I always thought that since GMs have legit characters, it is possible they know more than the other players, and of course, it sometime causes trouble when people believe "cheat" is going around.

Not only that, but having a legit char as a GM just to get closer to the community isn't that... great.  You can do that as a GM, and you can become bias if you spend too much time with them.  In other words, I'm pretty sure you'll be liking a certain player more than another player.

You can find things that are overpowered as a legit, but you can do the same as a GM char.  Having a GM's legit character to be in a guild makes matters even worse... you end up having players saying or calling out cheat.  Of course, if you ended up in a server that isn't like that, good for you. (It's just that most server aren't that all-so-happy when the WoE battles are horrendously competitive.)

Whatever the case, gee ems shuld hav leegit woe geelds. [So hard to say ]

[Mamimi]

Having a GM's legit character to be in a guild makes matters even worse... you end up having players saying or calling out cheat.

I've said this once, and I'll say it again. If you can't trust your admin to watch the logs and trust your GMs to be legit, then you should find another server. :x

[Pandora]

This topic is more about the gm being a guild leader of a woe guild, which is icky because leading a guild takes time and effort, not to mention woe is very competitive.

As for gm playing with legit altogether I've always been for it, as long as they are professional. By being inside the community you really get a feel of the beat of the server, you know your player base, you can find bugs if any. Getting to know the players can help a lot when comes the time to choose a new gm too. Overall I see mostly advantages to being amongst the players, you know what's going on from the inside, not just from a GM's point of view, if you find that something you've added is too good or too bad you can adjust it. etc.

Pandora, would you say that the gms should be allowed to tell people that they are in fact a GM? or they should try to keep it a secret? if a secret...what happens when people find out?

It's a delicate matter and both 'hidden' and 'public' name of the GM's legits displayed have their pros and cons.

I wanted mine to be secret, but people found out  eventually and now it's quite public. Sucked at first because I liked being seen as only myself, but it is what it is and I live with it, I got used to it by now.

I say it's better if players don't know who the GMs are, but on the other hand being upfront and honest about it can be good too, as long as it's not for fame that your GM wants to tell the whole server who they are.

Being part of a woe guild (different from being the guild leader) is icky but doable, half of my staff don't care for woe nor pvp (which is good), they are not entangled in the guild rivalries, however I don't prevent any of my GMs to woe on their legit if they want to, and I woe myself as well, I like woe (but oddly I strongly dislike pvp).

[bleu]

Having a GM's legit character to be in a guild makes matters even worse... you end up having players saying or calling out cheat.

I've said this once, and I'll say it again. If you can't trust your admin to watch the logs and trust your GMs to be legit, then you should find another server. :x

Lets assume the following.

Admin monitor GM logs periodically.
A GM is leading his first WOE guild. A nice, honest and respectable guy. The GM is seasoned enough to know the rules. During his first WOE, 5 minute before WOE ends, he noticed all his EDP supply has been depleted. Tried buying from vendors, could not find any. Asked around... no other members had any. Tick Tick Tick... With all the pressure of wanting to have a good start for his guild (i.e. able to secure a castle on its first WOE day) and adrenaline pumping;  he got caught up in the moment - and decided to log on his GM character spawn 1 EDP, transfer it to his legit character with the intention of replacing the EDP back to his GM character the moment after WOE. He then continues to rush into WOE, and managed to do a last minute emp break and secured a castle for his guild. His guildies was cheering him on... and the GM left on his legit character to gather some ingredients to hastily make an EDP to return back to his GM character as intended.

Scenario A
After WOE, some of his members went to PVP,... one was full of pride and wanted to show off a bit... he accidentally slipped out that his Guild leader spawn an EDP using his GM character. Angry players started posting on forum and Admin came to know about it.

Scenario B
A week later, Admin looked at GM log, noticed a spawn during WOE time. Further investigation revealed that it was replaced right after WOE. Nobody else knows about it expect the Admin. Nobody might remember that WOE, since a week has passed.

The real questions to ask yourself
1. Do you believe that no matter what the Admin chooses to do, harm will be done to the reputation of the GM Team and the server? Of course in Scenario B, the Admin could opt for a cover-up, but if discovered later, would mean a bigger problem.
2. Could your server recover from this blow?
3. Would you risk it?

The GM knows it was wrong to do what he did. He was not acting himself when he WOEing, he got caught up in the moment. He was a WOE Guild Leader with the intention to win. He got desperate. And he strongly belives if he replace the EDP later, it will not be a big deal. It's just an EDP after all.