Corrupt Server Owners

[Caamora]

Not really, I conduct the most honest answers to all the questions of the users on our server and I tell them to post reviews on RMS HONESTLY. Thats kinda what our server is based off of is honesty. I dont lie to them about things and they dont lie to me. Kinda goes hand in hand.

[Hanyuu]

Gravity wouldn't sue anyone, because if they do, they have to sue everyone who has a private server, and they cannot track down everyone. On top of that, try sueing a 12 year old girl.

They're not going to sue private servers also because of the fact that they can get free ideas/items/sprites from the hundreds of players making custom items. All they have to do is join RUNE or rip off pserver's grf files, edit the credits or change the color slightly and claim it as their own. For the most part pservers can't do much.

[Edward]

Gravity wouldn't sue anyone, because if they do, they have to sue everyone who has a private server, and they cannot track down everyone. On top of that, try sueing a 12 year old girl.

They're not going to sue private servers also because of the fact that they can get free ideas/items/sprites from the hundreds of players making custom items. All they have to do is join RUNE or rip off pserver's grf files, edit the credits or change the color slightly and claim it as their own. For the most part pservers can't do much.

Unfortunately, this is not the case. Customized item/char/effect sprites have been made before the private servers were introduced... Mostly artists from Asia. The reason why Gravity won't, or cannot sue is because reverse engineering is LEGAL in most countries. And their installer is download-able FREE OF CHARGE. The only way Gravity can sue is if you alter the sakexe, like xray has. That's why xray sets it's downloads in 'hidden' rar format. This is because it violates Gravity's Terms of Service.

And yes, they do get ideas from private fan-based servers... but if you think about it... it's all in mutual respect for each other's creativity. Many will say that Gravity is "ripping-off" sprites, but they're taking an idea which they personally approve of to make it popular in the legitimate server. That's showing respect for an artist's creativity.

[Auroraâ„¢]

How many times are we going to debate about the suing issue on these forums?

Gravity has already attempted to sue eAthena, and failed, and it's a court law that you cannot sue a person, company, whatever, for the same reason after losing the first trial. If Gravity really wanted to sue eAthena or some private server, they would have to find some other reason besides copyright, seeing as they've already lost that battle. On top of that, like a couple of people have already said, Gravity can actually use Private Servers for their own benefit, and why would you want to destroy something you can, essentially, make more money off of?

Anyways.

I'm pretty sure this topic isn't about whether or not Gravity can sue this private server or that private server, and why they won't/can't.

[Guest]

xD its all about making more money, gravity won't sue unless it can, but they CAN sue if they know your using their "product" for personal gain

anyway, any (this sounds contradictory i know) good corrupt server owner knows that gravity will only sue to make more money, and will only take action if they KNOW they can prove it, so a lot of server owners do jump through that loop hole

[Descent]

Depending on how much the server made.

If their yearly "donation" intake is over $500,000 USD, I'd say that'd be just cause to take some form of action.

I highly doubt servers attain those types of numbers nowadays, though. :S

[Guest]

xD nahhhh more like 100 000
but ya its hard to find servers with that kind of income, but i do know of one

[Descent]

xD nahhhh more like 100 000
but ya its hard to find servers with that kind of income, but i do know of one

Lol, I do too, I know exactly who you're talking about.

But yeah, point is, Gravity will never take action unless if they really have something to gain from it.

Usually, Private servers can HELP Gravity, or at least the corrupt ones, because enough stories of corruption and bannings and eventually they'll just bite the bullet and play iRO in peace.

[Ragplayer]

Haha i was playing DeityRO, and there is 7 people online usually, all friends from another server, the GM is one of the friends to. All they do is sit in pront, there all level 50-70 characters. Its a low rate server so they don't feel like leveling. So my friend and I join the server, and we start leveling like mad, i was level 88 in 4 days from mobbing hillwinds. So they complain, say were bots, so the GM bans us without an evidence. They said I looked to mechanical. Then they started to try to demean me and say they have screenshot evidence, which they never showed and was obviously made up.  But so far, they are the most inexperianced and biased GMs ive ever seen.  I got a chuckle from it tho. Deity RO is basically a chatroom haha, if you level your labeled a bot and banned. It's jsut funny cause the owner is a 16 year old who probably just took scripts from someone else.

[Cielte]

Haha i was playing DeityRO, and there is 7 people online usually, all friends from another server, the GM is one of the friends to. All they do is sit in pront, there all level 50-70 characters. Its a low rate server so they don't feel like leveling. So my friend and I join the server, and we start leveling like mad, i was level 88 in 4 days from mobbing hillwinds. So they complain, say were bots, so the GM bans us without an evidence. They said I looked to mechanical. Then they started to try to demean me and say they have screenshot evidence, which they never showed and was obviously made up.  But so far, they are the most inexperianced and biased GMs ive ever seen.  I got a chuckle from it tho. Deity RO is basically a chatroom haha, if you level your labeled a bot and banned.

...huh? What the hell does this have to do with the topic?

[Ragplayer]

Well, the topic is called Corrupt Server Owners.

[Cielte]

Ever seen a server owner that just made a Ragnarok server to play around. Or a server that is sold to a dimwit who dosen't know s*** about what he is doing?

Was the original post in this topic.

Plus, even if it did happen. You've got no proof it seems, so it doesn't really matter.

[A92FL0163]

Gravity can sue a private server if they allegate that it is giving a loss of profit that equal to 5% (or more?) of their monthly gain. And, uh, since we are in Companies sueing private servers:

"Letter from Nexon to the Community, The truth about Private Servers

Over the past few months, Nexon has taken many actions to enforce its rights against private servers. For the community to understand what this means, we’ll briefly explain our position and why action is taken.

Private servers- it doesn’t matter what game it is; it doesn’t matter what the justifications is; the bottom line is that all private servers are illegal.  The content that appears on Nexon’s website and in its games are Nexon’s protected intellectual property.  Intellectual property rights are defined as legal property rights, both artistic and commercial, in tangible form (as opposed to ideas). It is recognized by the laws of all the countries in the world and there are severe penalties for those who violate those rights, whether through expensive statutory fines or criminal jail time. The use of intellectual material such as Nexon’s requires the permission and authorization from its owner. Using unauthorized intellectual property for personal gain without permission is both illegal and actionable.

The major issue with private servers is that they bypass the creative process of designers and developers. They make copies of the original game by using the creative assets of which they have no legal right to use.  Please know that intellectual property has more than a monetary value; private server creators violate the intellectual property rights on games by using it for their own personal interest.   It is for this reason that we take legal action against any and all private servers running Nexon games.   There is no such thing as a Nexon-approved private server.

Another danger private servers pose concerns the security of information. When you register to play on a private server, you are blindly surrendering your personal information to non-professionals who have no legal obligation to keep your personal information secure.  There is no telling what they can do with your personal information!

We have heard some claims that private servers don’t make money or ask for donations (some do), it is technically not illegal. This is incorrect. First of all, collecting donations does not automatically make a website a charity or a non-profit organization. To become a charity or have non-profit status, strict guidelines must be followed and government approval needs to be met.  We doubt any of the private server sites would fall under those guideline. Therefore, a private server website accepting donations would still be classified as a commercial endeavor which is performing illegal activities. Nobody is fooled by the “donation” scam.

You may have criticism towards Nexon’s games that you feel are addressed in private servers. Keep in mind that we are continuing to try to improve our games on a daily basis, which is challenging since we are on a large scale in regards to a player base. It may not be too difficult keeping 5, 20 or maybe even a 100 players happy, but we cater to the thousands that log onto our servers daily, and the millions that play our games worldwide.

We will continue to pursue any and every action necessary, whether legal or otherwise, to stop those who continue to illegally use our intellectual property.  If you are currently running an unauthorized server, we advise you to discontinue your service immediately.

Thank you for your understanding.

-MapleStory Staff-

~Kiwi

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Nexon is srs busnes.

[Descent]

Oh please, Nexon has some serious bollocks to spew nonsense like that.

Only reason they care is because nobody in their right mind would pay for Maplestory.

[LemonCrosswalk]

Oh please, Nexon has some serious bollocks to spew nonsense like that.

Only reason they care is because nobody in their right mind would pay for Maplestory.

(How CAN people play Maplestory when it's own system encourages KSing)

Anyway, on topic of a few months ago, I think it is one thing to take donations to use for yourself when you are doing the hosting. When you are paying for a company to host it, rarely upkeep the server or have other people code (for free), and then every month lie about being short to get people to donate more.

As for being sued, I think you only need to worry about that if you have one of the mega-population servers.