Ever seen a server owner that just made a Ragnarok server to play around. Or a server that is sold to a dimwit who dosen't know s*** about what he is doing?
sadly this happens so much, its a normal part of RO now >.>
Quote from: JJJ on Feb 12, 2009, 09:31 PM
sadly this happens so much, its a normal part of RO now >.>
:D Lol it's just normal now to stumble across a corrupt Server Admin >_>
Jesus corrupt?
No, never.
Only my churches...
Quote from: Christ on Feb 12, 2009, 09:46 PM
Jesus corrupt?
No, never.
Only my churches...
Ummm. Ok.
Quote from: Christ on Feb 12, 2009, 09:46 PM
Jesus corrupt?
No, never.
Only my churches...
Wouldn't it be funny if this guy was beaten and nailed to an upside down cross in hell? Lol
It'd be like the devil's Irony.
@creed
Well if you go to server review you can find a bunch, some claims of corruptions are actually true if you try the server out.
Quote from: ADDFurret on Feb 12, 2009, 09:58 PM
Quote from: Christ on Feb 12, 2009, 09:46 PM
Jesus corrupt?
No, never.
Only my churches...
Wouldn't it be funny if this guy was beaten and nailed to an upside down cross in hell? Lol
It'd be like the devil's Irony.
@creed
Well if you go to server review you can find a bunch, some claims of corruptions are actually true if you try the server out.
The devil is a lie.
Quote from: Creed on Feb 12, 2009, 09:35 PM
Quote from: JJJ on Feb 12, 2009, 09:31 PM
sadly this happens so much, its a normal part of RO now >.>
:D Lol it's just normal now to stumble across a corrupt Server Admin >_>
Just now? Somebody needs to keep up with time. :)
Uh...
this is the risk of playing on private servers of all kinds of games (I've had my fair share over the years, thanks).
You gotta roll with the punches I guess.
Corruption and Private servers go hand in hand. Too much power, immature staff, et cetera.
Pretty much has been around since Private servers came into existence.
Quote from: Creed on Feb 12, 2009, 09:28 PM
Ever seen a server owner that just made a Ragnarok server to play around. Or a server that is sold to a dimwit who dosen't know s*** about what he is doing?
sadly this is part of community right now o.o
Creed,
This is about 80% of the servers made. I thought you knew this already?
Server ratings need a Corruption Rating Category, so that reviewers can vote on that in a 0%~100% scale :B
Then people can sort servers on average corruption rating :D
Quote from: Skotlex on Feb 13, 2009, 06:12 AM
Server ratings need a Corruption Rating Category, so that reviewers can vote on that in a 0%~100% scale :B
Then people can sort servers on average corruption rating :D
I agree.
Quote from: Skotlex on Feb 13, 2009, 06:12 AM
Server ratings need a Corruption Rating Category, so that reviewers can vote on that in a 0%~100% scale :B
Then people can sort servers on average corruption rating :D
Second that motion.
I disagree, a lot of people exaggerate extensively.
Quote from: Skotlex on Feb 13, 2009, 06:12 AM
Server ratings need a Corruption Rating Category, so that reviewers can vote on that in a 0%~100% scale :B
Then people can sort servers on average corruption rating :D
people will abuse it o.o
A lot of people exaggerate, period, and are given plenty of leeway to abuse the current review system.
Just like we have to trust them with giving a legit review (even though a lot of people don't, to begin with), you would have to give them enough trust you post a legit review on the corruption of a server, even though I doubt it'd even be implemented on RMS, but I do think it's a neat idea.
I say no, not that my opinion matters, but people will seriously post s*** about a server claiming so and so is corrupt just cause they had a friend say some s***. I've seen it happen plenty of times before.
No.
Lots of people say servers are corrupted, sometimes it's true and sometimes it's all just speculation that spreads and turns into "truth" due to the amount of people who back it up.
But like a lot of others have said, most private servers are corrupted in some way or form (cept mou since it has no gms). I've given up trying to find a noncorrupt server that fits me.
Can't really verify for what is "corrupted" in a server unless you try it yourself. Generally though when I look for a server, "amount of corruption" is not something that I look at since it's so easy for the statements about corruption to be exaggerated/covered up.
The very definition of a "corrupt GM/server owner" differs from person to person to begin with. You never know if a review's claim of corruption matches what you see as corruption or not (similar to "balance" in a server.)
Then again a corruption scoring strikes more awe into any new player than any of the current server scores; people would just "legitimately" review (as in decent/correct scores for each category), while leaving the corruption scoring at 0 or 10 -whatever the lowest scoring is deemed to be-. This would just create a bunch of review claims for yC to investigate.
All in all, if a server is corrupt -rotten corrupt- the player's voices will reach out to sites like RMS and the word will spread.
Quote from: Creed on Feb 12, 2009, 09:28 PM
Ever seen a server owner that just made a Ragnarok server to play around. Or a server that is sold to a dimwit who dosen't know s*** about what he is doing?
i've seen you be a gm
most servers are corrupt, but honestly, who cares? if you have fun, thats all that should matter. If the GM uses donation money for himself, who cares, just don't donate then. If a GM gives his legit unfair gears, who cares, just kick his donkey and make yourself feel special for beating someone who needs to cheat, etc.
Honestly, I don't see a GM using the money he gets from donations being a problem.
The staff work to bring the users entertainment, they take their time to do it, I feel that if the server is paid for, then it shouldn't be a problem.
Besides, you won't know what the person is using the donations on.
thats how I see it, but normally 50%~75% of the population go "OMG WTF" when you tell them that you spend donation money on yourself. They all think that 100% of it (even when you get a years worth of hosting a month, like some servers have had before) should be spent on the server, when it's not really needed at all.
Quote from: Sir Schmoopy on Feb 14, 2009, 03:25 PM
thats how I see it, but normally 50%~75% of the population go "OMG WTF" when you tell them that you spend donation money on yourself. They all think that 100% of it (even when you get a years worth of hosting a month, like some servers have had before) should be spent on the server, when it's not really needed at all.
Then don't call it a "donation". Call it "getting paid".
And get sued?
Quote from: Scars on Feb 14, 2009, 03:59 PM
And get sued?
You honestly think this is in Gravity's best financial interests? Unless the server in question was raking in hundreds of thousands, they would get no benefit from this whatsoever beyond an expensive legal outlay on their part. There are plenty of servers who've referred to their profitable donations as a "Cash Shop" and skipped merrily along their way.
If you're making enough from "donations" to actually catch the attention of Gravity, it won't matter what you call them regardless.
look at it this way, when a company sues someone they factor in how much time, and how much they can make as a net profit
if they can make more money then they have to spend, then most company's will sue just to make the profit
Gravity wouldn't sue anyone, because if they do, they have to sue everyone who has a private server, and they cannot track down everyone. On top of that, try sueing a 12 year old girl.
Not really, I conduct the most honest answers to all the questions of the users on our server and I tell them to post reviews on RMS HONESTLY. Thats kinda what our server is based off of is honesty. I dont lie to them about things and they dont lie to me. Kinda goes hand in hand.
Quote from: Zone on Feb 14, 2009, 04:18 PM
Gravity wouldn't sue anyone, because if they do, they have to sue everyone who has a private server, and they cannot track down everyone. On top of that, try sueing a 12 year old girl.
They're not going to sue private servers also because of the fact that they can get free ideas/items/sprites from the hundreds of players making custom items. All they have to do is join RUNE or rip off pserver's grf files, edit the credits or change the color slightly and claim it as their own. For the most part pservers can't do much.
Quote from: Hanyuu on Feb 17, 2009, 08:55 PM
Quote from: Zone on Feb 14, 2009, 04:18 PM
Gravity wouldn't sue anyone, because if they do, they have to sue everyone who has a private server, and they cannot track down everyone. On top of that, try sueing a 12 year old girl.
They're not going to sue private servers also because of the fact that they can get free ideas/items/sprites from the hundreds of players making custom items. All they have to do is join RUNE or rip off pserver's grf files, edit the credits or change the color slightly and claim it as their own. For the most part pservers can't do much.
Unfortunately, this is not the case. Customized item/char/effect sprites have been made before the private servers were introduced... Mostly artists from Asia. The reason why Gravity won't, or cannot sue is because reverse engineering is LEGAL in most countries. And their installer is download-able FREE OF CHARGE. The only way Gravity can sue is if you alter the sakexe, like xray has. That's why xray sets it's downloads in 'hidden' rar format. This is because it violates Gravity's Terms of Service.
And yes, they do get ideas from private fan-based servers... but if you think about it... it's all in mutual respect for each other's creativity. Many will say that Gravity is "ripping-off" sprites, but they're taking an idea which they personally approve of to make it popular in the legitimate server. That's showing respect for an artist's creativity.
How many times are we going to debate about the suing issue on these forums?
Gravity has already attempted to sue eAthena, and failed, and it's a court law that you cannot sue a person, company, whatever, for the same reason after losing the first trial. If Gravity really wanted to sue eAthena or some private server, they would have to find some other reason besides copyright, seeing as they've already lost that battle. On top of that, like a couple of people have already said, Gravity can actually use Private Servers for their own benefit, and why would you want to destroy something you can, essentially, make more money off of?
Anyways.
I'm pretty sure this topic isn't about whether or not Gravity can sue this private server or that private server, and why they won't/can't.
xD its all about making more money, gravity won't sue unless it can, but they CAN sue if they know your using their "product" for personal gain
anyway, any (this sounds contradictory i know) good corrupt server owner knows that gravity will only sue to make more money, and will only take action if they KNOW they can prove it, so a lot of server owners do jump through that loop hole
Depending on how much the server made.
If their yearly "donation" intake is over $500,000 USD, I'd say that'd be just cause to take some form of action.
I highly doubt servers attain those types of numbers nowadays, though. :S
xD nahhhh more like 100 000
but ya its hard to find servers with that kind of income, but i do know of one /swt
Quote from: JJJ on Feb 21, 2009, 03:45 PM
xD nahhhh more like 100 000
but ya its hard to find servers with that kind of income, but i do know of one /swt
Lol, I do too, I know exactly who you're talking about. :P
But yeah, point is, Gravity will never take action unless if they really have something to gain from it.
Usually, Private servers can HELP Gravity, or at least the corrupt ones, because enough stories of corruption and bannings and eventually they'll just bite the bullet and play iRO in peace.
Haha i was playing DeityRO, and there is 7 people online usually, all friends from another server, the GM is one of the friends to. All they do is sit in pront, there all level 50-70 characters. Its a low rate server so they don't feel like leveling. So my friend and I join the server, and we start leveling like mad, i was level 88 in 4 days from mobbing hillwinds. So they complain, say were bots, so the GM bans us without an evidence. They said I looked to mechanical. Then they started to try to demean me and say they have screenshot evidence, which they never showed and was obviously made up. But so far, they are the most inexperianced and biased GMs ive ever seen. I got a chuckle from it tho. Deity RO is basically a chatroom haha, if you level your labeled a bot and banned. It's jsut funny cause the owner is a 16 year old who probably just took scripts from someone else.
Quote from: Ragplayer on Mar 23, 2009, 02:57 PM
Haha i was playing DeityRO, and there is 7 people online usually, all friends from another server, the GM is one of the friends to. All they do is sit in pront, there all level 50-70 characters. Its a low rate server so they don't feel like leveling. So my friend and I join the server, and we start leveling like mad, i was level 88 in 4 days from mobbing hillwinds. So they complain, say were bots, so the GM bans us without an evidence. They said I looked to mechanical. Then they started to try to demean me and say they have screenshot evidence, which they never showed and was obviously made up. But so far, they are the most inexperianced and biased GMs ive ever seen. I got a chuckle from it tho. Deity RO is basically a chatroom haha, if you level your labeled a bot and banned.
...huh? What the hell does this have to do with the topic?
Well, the topic is called Corrupt Server Owners.
Quote from: Creed on Feb 12, 2009, 09:28 PM
Ever seen a server owner that just made a Ragnarok server to play around. Or a server that is sold to a dimwit who dosen't know s*** about what he is doing?
Was the original post in this topic.
Plus, even if it
did happen. You've got no proof it seems, so it doesn't really matter.
Gravity can sue a private server if they allegate that it is giving a loss of profit that equal to 5% (or more?) of their monthly gain. And, uh, since we are in Companies sueing private servers:
"Letter from Nexon to the Community, The truth about Private Servers
Over the past few months, Nexon has taken many actions to enforce its rights against private servers. For the community to understand what this means, we’ll briefly explain our position and why action is taken.
Private servers- it doesn’t matter what game it is; it doesn’t matter what the justifications is; the bottom line is that all private servers are illegal. The content that appears on Nexon’s website and in its games are Nexon’s protected intellectual property. Intellectual property rights are defined as legal property rights, both artistic and commercial, in tangible form (as opposed to ideas). It is recognized by the laws of all the countries in the world and there are severe penalties for those who violate those rights, whether through expensive statutory fines or criminal jail time. The use of intellectual material such as Nexon’s requires the permission and authorization from its owner. Using unauthorized intellectual property for personal gain without permission is both illegal and actionable.
The major issue with private servers is that they bypass the creative process of designers and developers. They make copies of the original game by using the creative assets of which they have no legal right to use. Please know that intellectual property has more than a monetary value; private server creators violate the intellectual property rights on games by using it for their own personal interest. It is for this reason that we take legal action against any and all private servers running Nexon games. There is no such thing as a Nexon-approved private server.
Another danger private servers pose concerns the security of information. When you register to play on a private server, you are blindly surrendering your personal information to non-professionals who have no legal obligation to keep your personal information secure. There is no telling what they can do with your personal information!
We have heard some claims that private servers don’t make money or ask for donations (some do), it is technically not illegal. This is incorrect. First of all, collecting donations does not automatically make a website a charity or a non-profit organization. To become a charity or have non-profit status, strict guidelines must be followed and government approval needs to be met. We doubt any of the private server sites would fall under those guideline. Therefore, a private server website accepting donations would still be classified as a commercial endeavor which is performing illegal activities. Nobody is fooled by the “donation†scam.
You may have criticism towards Nexon’s games that you feel are addressed in private servers. Keep in mind that we are continuing to try to improve our games on a daily basis, which is challenging since we are on a large scale in regards to a player base. It may not be too difficult keeping 5, 20 or maybe even a 100 players happy, but we cater to the thousands that log onto our servers daily, and the millions that play our games worldwide.
We will continue to pursue any and every action necessary, whether legal or otherwise, to stop those who continue to illegally use our intellectual property. If you are currently running an unauthorized server, we advise you to discontinue your service immediately.
Thank you for your understanding.
-MapleStory Staff-
~Kiwi
Nexon is srs busnes.
Oh please, Nexon has some serious bollocks to spew nonsense like that.
Only reason they care is because nobody in their right mind would pay for Maplestory.
Quote from: Descent on Mar 23, 2009, 04:34 PM
Oh please, Nexon has some serious bollocks to spew nonsense like that.
Only reason they care is because nobody in their right mind would pay for Maplestory.
(How CAN people play Maplestory when it's own system encourages KSing)
Anyway, on topic of a few months ago, I think it is one thing to take donations to use for yourself when you are doing the hosting. When you are paying for a company to host it, rarely upkeep the server or have other people code (for free), and then every month lie about being short to get people to donate more.
As for being sued, I think you only need to worry about that if you have one of the mega-population servers.
Quote from: Auroraâ,,¢ on Feb 21, 2009, 11:16 AM
How many times are we going to debate about the suing issue on these forums?
Gravity has already attempted to sue eAthena, and failed, and it's a court law that you cannot sue a person, company, whatever, for the same reason after losing the first trial. If Gravity really wanted to sue eAthena or some private server, they would have to find some other reason besides copyright, seeing as they've already lost that battle. On top of that, like a couple of people have already said, Gravity can actually use Private Servers for their own benefit, and why would you want to destroy something you can, essentially, make more money off of?
Anyways.
I'm pretty sure this topic isn't about whether or not Gravity can sue this private server or that private server, and why they won't/can't.
I've never seen Gravity try to sue eAthena. The one post that everyone keeps referring to, is a company suing Gravity in regards to their stocks. It mentioned nothing about eAthena. I never did understand how that = Gravity lost and all eAthena servers are legal.
http://www.gamerzplanet.net/forums/ragnarok-online/12237-gravity-sues-eathena.html
PS:
http://www.eathena.ws/board/index.php?s=241aa592d266e1c6008beecd2cef0275&showtopic=212020
Just saw that post o_O
lol its true that eA servers are legal, but depending on what actions you take they may make your server less legal
Anyway, back on topic, YAY for corrupt admins and the GM Team needing to clean up after them! We recently got rid of an admin who managed to f*** things up here and there(his first day was buffing emperium and changing warps in WoE castles, during WoE) quite badly. Back to building :(
Lmao i've seen lots of corrupted admins, and admins who just make a server to scam pepole LOL
Quote from: neodarkcloud on Mar 30, 2009, 03:04 PM
Lmao i've seen lots of corrupted admins, and admins who just make a server to scam pepole LOL
Tisk tisk to them.
Ive seen quiet the few corrupt admins, thus why i started my own server. It's small but its corruption free. I've seen one server admin buy personal items such as a new computer and furniture with the donation money, while tehy stated all donations went to the server adn that the donations were runnign low. Mind you he was getting atleast $1k per month.
Corrupt is a buzzword with RO. If *anything* happens that a player doesn't like, suddenly the staff is corrupt. Okay.
Bottom line is, no matter who you are or what you do, you are corrupt. Everyone is corrupt. Forget to log on one day? Corrupt. Show a newbie where to buy pots? Corrupt. Use your donation funds to buy yourself a burger? Corrupt.
Infinite bawwwing.
Err, I totally have found a server that doesn't have a corrupt admin.
Not in the least :D
100% serious.
No lie.
Honest.
Would you like to know how I know?
The administrator of OUR server is far too shy to interact at all whatsoever with any of its players <.<;
Sure, he/she/it takes requests, fixes errors, and adds new content in short order.
And we know that he/she/it isn't running around, making billions of dollars a day, having a party, 'cause no one really plays, mostly due to paranoia revolving around...
Servers hosted on free website hosts
Hamachi
Low-Rates with custom stuff
But yup. It's possible to have a server with completely no corruption.
Just have to get rid of the administration/moderation team.
All mopped up.
I.E Can't have the effect without the cause.
Does no one play because it's new, or is there another reason behind that? :x
Quote from: Soma on Apr 22, 2009, 09:47 PM
Err, I totally have found a server that doesn't have a corrupt admin.
Not in the least :D
100% serious.
No lie.
Honest.
Would you like to know how I know?
The administrator of OUR server is far too shy to interact at all whatsoever with any of its players <.<;
Sure, he/she/it takes requests, fixes errors, and adds new content in short order.
And we know that he/she/it isn't running around, making billions of dollars a day, having a party, 'cause no one really plays, mostly due to paranoia revolving around...
Servers hosted on free website hosts
Hamachi
Low-Rates with custom stuff
But yup. It's possible to have a server with completely no corruption.
Just have to get rid of the administration/moderation team.
All mopped up.
I.E Can't have the effect without the cause.
This is the exact opposite of what we are discussing. :-\
Off Topic : Quite honestly, I don't know O.o
I really think it's just people being turned off by it being err... Different, I guess.
... Or something.
Most of the people who usually get turned off by it end up never speaking to me again.
Although you could check it out if you want. T'is called Memento.
On Topic : You know, now that I think about it, maybe corrupt administrators are the reason why people come to servers. In a way, usually they're the first ones to go on preaching about how great and balanced their servers are, and more or less make themselves look like umber 1337 Sasquatch for the pure reason of raking in money *cough* players.
@Cyber Eyes: Sorry, I guess I misread. I thought we were talking about Corrupt Server Owners and something related to them. Thought talking about a server that didn't have one fell under that category, or a way to get rid of said corrupt server owners. Sorry o.<
*floats elsewhere*
Quote from: Soma on Apr 22, 2009, 09:57 PM
On Topic : You know, now that I think about it, maybe corrupt administrators are the reason why people come to servers. In a way, usually they're the first ones to go on preaching about how great and balanced their servers are, and more or less make themselves look like umber 1337 Sasquatch for the pure reason of raking in money *cough* players.
I think people might secretly enjoy the drama of it all, personally.
Quote from: Hutchy on Apr 22, 2009, 09:58 PM
Quote from: Soma on Apr 22, 2009, 09:57 PM
On Topic : You know, now that I think about it, maybe corrupt administrators are the reason why people come to servers. In a way, usually they're the first ones to go on preaching about how great and balanced their servers are, and more or less make themselves look like umber 1337 Sasquatch for the pure reason of raking in money *cough* players.
I think people might secretly enjoy the drama of it all, personally.
Internet Nerdrages and Dramas > Soap Operas on television
That is my point of view, but I really doubt people are doing this just to make drama
Quote from: LiteX on Apr 23, 2009, 03:16 AM
Quote from: Hutchy on Apr 22, 2009, 09:58 PM
Quote from: Soma on Apr 22, 2009, 09:57 PM
On Topic : You know, now that I think about it, maybe corrupt administrators are the reason why people come to servers. In a way, usually they're the first ones to go on preaching about how great and balanced their servers are, and more or less make themselves look like umber 1337 Sasquatch for the pure reason of raking in money *cough* players.
I think people might secretly enjoy the drama of it all, personally.
Internet Nerdrages and Dramas > Soap Operas on television
That is my point of view, but I really doubt people are doing this just to make drama
I don't think people exhibit "corrupt" behavior for drama, I think that drama may be what attracts people to a server. Some people just need something to complain about, and others like to watch the fireworks.
Quote from: Hutchy on Apr 23, 2009, 01:29 PM
Quote from: LiteX on Apr 23, 2009, 03:16 AM
Quote from: Hutchy on Apr 22, 2009, 09:58 PM
Quote from: Soma on Apr 22, 2009, 09:57 PM
On Topic : You know, now that I think about it, maybe corrupt administrators are the reason why people come to servers. In a way, usually they're the first ones to go on preaching about how great and balanced their servers are, and more or less make themselves look like umber 1337 Sasquatch for the pure reason of raking in money *cough* players.
I think people might secretly enjoy the drama of it all, personally.
Internet Nerdrages and Dramas > Soap Operas on television
That is my point of view, but I really doubt people are doing this just to make drama
I don't think people exhibit "corrupt" behavior for drama, I think that drama may be what attracts people to a server. Some people just need something to complain about, and others like to watch the fireworks.
Back when I played another server, I was corrupt for the drama. It was fun to watch people rage over something so small. You become the most popular person the server, and people like me laugh at it. I wouldn't be corrupt just to gain an advantage in a game.
But I think you're right too. I know I only stayed on aeRO for 3 years because of the drama. It kept me entertained when I was done with PvP.
Quote from: Greed on Apr 23, 2009, 02:10 PM
Quote from: Hutchy on Apr 23, 2009, 01:29 PM
Quote from: LiteX on Apr 23, 2009, 03:16 AM
Quote from: Hutchy on Apr 22, 2009, 09:58 PM
Quote from: Soma on Apr 22, 2009, 09:57 PM
On Topic : You know, now that I think about it, maybe corrupt administrators are the reason why people come to servers. In a way, usually they're the first ones to go on preaching about how great and balanced their servers are, and more or less make themselves look like umber 1337 Sasquatch for the pure reason of raking in money *cough* players.
I think people might secretly enjoy the drama of it all, personally.
Internet Nerdrages and Dramas > Soap Operas on television
That is my point of view, but I really doubt people are doing this just to make drama
I don't think people exhibit "corrupt" behavior for drama, I think that drama may be what attracts people to a server. Some people just need something to complain about, and others like to watch the fireworks.
Back when I played another server, I was corrupt for the drama. It was fun to watch people rage over something so small. You become the most popular person the server, and people like me laugh at it. I wouldn't be corrupt just to gain an advantage in a game.
But I think you're right too. I know I only stayed on aeRO for 3 years because of the drama. It kept me entertained when I was done with PvP.
Lmao, same here, except that the server was SolarRO/LancasterRO(And I was a player, not GM), that server had ALOT of drama, mainly because that server had 2 Guilds that hated eachother and 2 GMs in each of these guilds, sometimes it got waaaaay to much (Ex: if GM of Guild A bans Guildie B for botting then GM A is corrupt for Guild B, but GM B won;t because he needs more "evidence")