Classic and pre-renewal close-to-official servers not so official after all

Started by Playtester, Dec 04, 2020, 05:13 PM

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distilled1

I don't know about Monster stat changes in Ragnarok Travels since I haven't got time to play, but I did notice that the Prontera church map was recently reverted back to the original style instead of the incorrect episode style it had in the beginning. I for one would welcome corrections like these any time, even if they are late.
There is nothing wrong with that in my opinion. If you're of the opinion that there's something wrong with "better late than never", then that's fair, but mistakes happen. I've seen it happen in many other RO servers where they had to correct something after players had already "taken advantage" of it.

Even if it was something radical like 999x more exp from the beginning, then a month later corrected down to 1x exp, it's still better late than never. At least I believe it is.
Should new players feel entitled to be on the same level as those who began a month earlier than them anyway? No, and Ragnarok Online shouldn't be a rush to the end of the game anyway. It's not supposed to be a race, and once people reach max level, it's not supposed to be over and done with. It's supposed to be a social game of cooperation to take down giant monsters or conquer WoE castles for your guild which you can always get to eventually, regardless of when you joined.
With any half-decent community, the ones at higher levels would want to help out new players most of the time anyway. Giving them help leveling or in WoE. Maybe even giving them items.

Even players who all joined at the beginning can have vastly different amounts of spare time to play, giving some players more advantage than others to progress faster. Some players are level 50 by the time others are still level 20 for example. Nothing wrong with that, and it shouldn't deter anyone from playing.
Single-client servers encourage player interaction, discourage soulless min-maxing, and properly allow support characters to find partners and parties.
Dual-client and multi-client servers are a sin against Odin.

Playtester

Quote from: distilled1 on Dec 21, 2020, 04:14 PMEven if it was something radical like 999x more exp from the beginning, then a month later corrected down to 1x exp, it's still better late than never. At least I believe it is.
If something like that happened, then the server should definitely wipe. Maybe give existing player a small compensation, but definitely revert them back to level 1/1.

Ragnarok Online is mainly alive these days because of the competition, if you give players who start early an advantage, it will stop more players from joining and eventually the server will die.

If you are afraid that you might not be 100% accurate at launch, you could however put lower rates at first. Or go by the "when in doubt always pick what's more disadvantageous for the player" rule. Because then you could increase the rates after a fix so get new players.

distilled1

Quote from: Playtester on Dec 22, 2020, 09:23 AM
Ragnarok Online is mainly alive these days because of the competition
While I do disagree with that, maybe I'm thinking of RO from a female perspective too much. Personally, I never cared for the competitive side of RO, but you're right, competition is a major part of it, equally as important as socializing and cooperation.
However, I'd say the reason RO is alive these days is nostalgia more than anything. Just to be immersed in that old world we remember fondly. I think players who want a good, competitive gaming experience these day go to games like Fortnite, or League of Legends, no?
Single-client servers encourage player interaction, discourage soulless min-maxing, and properly allow support characters to find partners and parties.
Dual-client and multi-client servers are a sin against Odin.

Playtester

Quote from: distilled1 on Dec 22, 2020, 06:28 PM
While I do disagree with that, maybe I'm thinking of RO from a female perspective too much. Personally, I never cared for the competitive side of RO, but you're right, competition is a major part of it, equally as important as socializing and cooperation.
However, I'd say the reason RO is alive these days is nostalgia more than anything. Just to be immersed in that old world we remember fondly. I think players who want a good, competitive gaming experience these day go to games like Fortnite, or League of Legends, no?
Don't get me wrong, I don't care about PVP either, but you will not get 1000+ players on your server without getting some strong competitive guilds to join at launch.

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iceman

This why I always checkout mob and item database before we jump in :D  Lot's of server we tried offering they said Classic but yet its not so classic when you play it. I am particular with episodic events. Me and my friends testing from server to server so far ok with the current server play-retro . n e t but we still continue to evaluate because it is new.   

mrfizi

I'm just read this discussion on 2024,  /swt . I read each post and reply.

Quote from: Xellie on Dec 13, 2020, 12:59 AMI'm really glad to see this topic from someone who isn't me! (I think we've met in other places where there were *ahem* differences of opinion on what official means.)

I'm actually going through the process of collecting up such things, all the lost stuff. Spawn changes are one that really get to me. Some of the skill changes through the game's progression and there's no real good source of it all out there for server owners, I think.
Today on 2024, it going more difficult to get source about old mob info/database and spawn.


Quote from: Playtester on Dec 13, 2020, 05:47 AMFeel free to contact me, if you need any help.

Unfortunately, it's gotten really hard to dig up the information with many of the places that had the information closing down, most of Doddler's episode update stuff is really hard to find now too and Warp Portal forums are blocked from Europe. So I have to mostly go from memory and old files I still have.

There are still sources on the old spawns, though, so that could definitely be restored.
Hi Playtester, I need help if you willing to share information about mob spawn or mob stats before episode 10. Is there any sources I can refer for it?

I have download the mob db on the first page and start to update my mob stats. Hope I can get any info about the spawn. Is it same like rAthena pre-re mob spawn or it like episode 5 or below? Thank you.
A person who loves the classic and pre-renewal closed-to-official server experience.
Classic mRO 1x/1x/1x - Classic server Episode 6. Using latest rAthena emulator without modifications.

Playtester

Quote from: mrfizi on May 11, 2024, 05:52 PMHi Playtester, I need help if you willing to share information about mob spawn or mob stats before episode 10. Is there any sources I can refer for it?

I have download the mob db on the first page and start to update my mob stats. Hope I can get any info about the spawn. Is it same like rAthena pre-re mob spawn or it like episode 5 or below? Thank you.
For stats you can just use the linked episode 7 file and add newer monsters to it. The stats didn't change until episode 10.

Spawns are harder to find now that ASB no longer exists and Mega deleted all files. And I have no converted eAthena format that I could share.

The spawns where very different up to episode 7. For example there were local Mandragora and Evil Druid spawns in Glast Heim Chivalry.

mrfizi

Quote from: Playtester on May 18, 2024, 05:59 PMFor stats you can just use the linked episode 7 file and add newer monsters to it. The stats didn't change until episode 10.

Spawns are harder to find now that ASB no longer exists and Mega deleted all files. And I have no converted eAthena format that I could share.

The spawns where very different up to episode 7. For example there were local Mandragora and Evil Druid spawns in Glast Heim Chivalry.

Alright, I'll use the stats from the linked ep7 file.

That is the issue right now. We lose a lot of information about classic and older files. Many reference websites have disappeared, and some cloud storage services are no longer available.

Thank you for your help.

I also read your post HERE and totally agreed with what you said.  /ok
A person who loves the classic and pre-renewal closed-to-official server experience.
Classic mRO 1x/1x/1x - Classic server Episode 6. Using latest rAthena emulator without modifications.