Beginning of the end for RO?

Started by AlizaApron, May 06, 2022, 05:27 AM

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AlizaApron

I saw some discussion that got me thinking

Gravity's action isn't normal and servers are closing left and right. 4 or 5 in total so far and existing ones are taking down their websites and turning off new account registration

Gravity also banned every twitch streamer which means there won't be new players coming into the community for the servers that stick around

Looks kind of dim for the scene

BlankAndWhite

a beginning of highly anonymous private servers.

xtarinos

If Activision-Blizzard couldn't shut WoW private servers down, then i highly doubt Gravity f*** Interactive would be able to.

There will be casualties and can't say what all servers will come out of this fiasco, but at the end people will find a way to host servers that are out of reach from Gravity.

All this is going to accomplish is fewer number of pv servers.

Playtester

Fewer public private servers, more "I just tell my friends about it" private servers.

LOONOOR

Quote from: xtarinos on May 06, 2022, 06:26 AM
If Activision-Blizzard couldn't shut WoW private servers down, then i highly doubt Gravity f*** Interactive would be able to.

There will be casualties and can't say what all servers will come out of this fiasco, but at the end people will find a way to host servers that are out of reach from Gravity.

All this is going to accomplish is fewer number of pv servers.
they managed to shut nostalrius down before classic wow launch and i can somehow see them trying to take down warmane when classic reach wrath of the lich king anytime soon

OldPoring

Quote from: AlizaApron on May 06, 2022, 05:27 AM
Gravity's action isn't normal and servers are closing left and right. 4 or 5 in total so far and existing ones are taking down their websites and turning off new account registration
I specifically registered to say that I'm in shock. I am old and I remember the struggle with private servers 20 years ago. 20 Years!!!
but then nothing happened, but now this state is close to defeat.

How quickly the famous private servers with hundreds of live players have buried everything that has been accumulated for years or even over the decades, without trying to fight. Perhaps they wouldn't have had to fight, and this letter was an act of fright. And everyone succumbed to this fright instantly. shock.

xtarinos

Quote from: LOONOOR on May 06, 2022, 07:49 AM
they managed to shut nostalrius down before classic wow launch and i can somehow see them trying to take down warmane when classic reach wrath of the lich king anytime soon

Nostalrius shut down in 2016. 6 years down the line WoW private servers still exist.

This whole situation is similar to piracy. Nothing got popular torrent websites down, not until streaming became affordable.

If there is a demand, people will find a way. If Gravity wants to fix this issue, offer people a better version of the game that pv servers have been doing.

Playtester

Quote from: Oreki on May 06, 2022, 08:57 AM
Guys, you are just looking for something to talk about. Nothing can really happen to private servers unless owners get intimidated from empty words and close their own servers by themselves. That's all what it is.
Well, I'd prefer to wait and see how the lawsuits will go.

I'm surprised how fast some veteran server owners succumbed to fear now though.

OldPoring

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Quote from: Playtester on May 06, 2022, 09:38 AM
Well, I'd prefer to wait and see how the lawsuits will go.

I'm surprised how fast some veteran server owners succumbed to fear now though.
99% that there will be no trial, this bluff has occurred before, years ago. Counterclaims are also money and additional expenses for Gravity, whose financial affairs are already not brilliant.

The Talonians turned out to be the most timid. They just cut all the ends instantly. Well, that's their right. but I would like them to fight more for themselves and their community.

In any case, I will continue to play ro, as a last resort I will download my own server emulator and will play on it alone, hahaha


Playtester

Quote from: Oreki on May 06, 2022, 10:12 AM
There will be no lawsuits to see how they go.
So what do you consider this: https://dockets.justia.com/docket/california/cacdce/2:2022cv02763/850478
You think this will go nowhere?

I'm curious, I'm not really a law expert. But others said it's an actual lawsuit.

Inochi

I don't think it's the end. Probably a pause for any sort of development on current private servers.
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Phanneh

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Quote from: OldPoring on May 06, 2022, 10:03 AM
but I would like them to fight more for themselves and their community.

With what ammunition?  As far as I can see it's depressingly open-and-shut.  Private servers are near-universally BETTER, but the copyright holder holds all cards.

Some kind of legal loophole, a server hosted in a country that has no regard for copyright or intellectual property laws, that's one idea I suppose...

But in the first place the connection-quality would probably suffer for users, even if you COULD find a server in the donkey-end of nowhere, and in the second place there's always the continued risk of personal, individual liability.

Sairek Ceareste

Definitely not the end in my opinion.

New servers will eventually rise up to take the place where the older ones have fallen. Trying to fight private servers by forcefully shutting them all down is the same as playing a never-ending game of whack-a-mole.


As was mentioned earlier, the best way to deal with private servers would be to just to offer a better service than them. Of course, that is not in Gravity's interest at all, just like it isn't in people's interest to play on a grossly p2w server overran with bots and ruled by incompetent administration as they refuse to comply to EU data protection laws.

Kokkoro

RO in general, I doubt it'll die. jRO and kRO still exists. Whole different story outside those places though.

I kinda get why they'd go after private servers more seriously, but going after content creators as well? What are they trying to do? Having RO Content creators is one way to get players invested in this game, regardless of whether or not it's for officials or private servers. Going after said people will only hurt the growth of the game, no matter how small it is.

Combine those with the fact that iRO isn't ran by competent people and the numerous issues plaguing the game in general (bots, s*** economy, the mess that is renewal and 3rd/4th jobs) and you have a recipe for disaster.

God knows what will happen to RO outside Korea and Japan now.
I have finally found you, aruji-sama~

RebirthOfficial

Quote from: OldPoring on May 06, 2022, 08:23 AM
How quickly the famous private servers with hundreds of live players have buried everything that has been accumulated for years or even over the decades, without trying to fight. Perhaps they wouldn't have had to fight, and this letter was an act of fright. And everyone succumbed to this fright instantly. shock.
Heh, not all of them...

Quote from: Playtester on May 06, 2022, 09:38 AM
Well, I'd prefer to wait and see how the lawsuits will go.

I'm surprised how fast some veteran server owners succumbed to fear now though.
Not all have acted out of fear, some are acting out of caution, and I think that's fair.