I've been wondering for a while, but what the heck is the point of servers with Max Levels of like 500/120, or 1000/500 or 2000/400 or 700/250?
I don't get it >_>
I guess lots of people just like to be overpowered and be able to kill things like satan morocc in 2 hits...
swt so pretty much, it's fun because you defeat the purpose of the game >< Even 150/70 is overpowered; 99 is the only balanced thing I've seen o0 People try to balance higher than that and they fail epicly. Haven't seen one person succeed.
I tried playing on GatheringRO about a year ago; I had a ninja and I could kill anything pretty fast. Such high damages and stuff isn't fun; where's the challenge? The suspense? The base level and stuff destroy it ><;;;;
Those servers are for people who are too lazy to play the game the way it was made to be played.
I am a firm believer that anything outside 99 stats spells imbalance 90% of the time. The other 10% happens only when the admin/GM team successfully tweaks the balance that non-sinx/sniper/pally/champ classes can still fight (even this rarely happens in that 10%).
The game's default cards, equipment and even monsters are all based on the fact that players only have a max stat of 99 or can only go to level 99. Anything outside that means that the server itself needs to be re-balanced.
lol I kinda laugh at the people who go:
"YEAH I'M A PRO; LOOKIT MY LEVEL 500 SINX"
>___> A pro my butt; a real pro could solo Bio 3 with a level 99 Sinx and not die, or not all the tricks of bypassing Safety Wall, Spiderweb, etc. I don't consider anyone who plays over the real 99/70 (soon 150/50 but we'll see how that balances out) to be a "pro"; I prefer the term "nub".
PvP over there is just endless, too; I was on a 999 before and jeez, they spam Ygg and it takes 10min to kill one person. It's a battle of "Who's got more Ygg?" rather than technique.
And same, Flip. Only the official standards are balanced; trying to balance it otherwise like never works.
I usually play that kind of servers, because I don't have enough time to go thru leveling a char.
I just like to WoE and PvP. I would play servers with lower base levels, but the only ones I seemed to like at first, suck right now.
Examples: ZetaRO, BattleRO.
As I said, I don't have enough time to level up. So HR/SHR servers are my only choice. Even thought, I started playing ReboundRO, but it will take me at least a month to max my sniper xD
They are strictly card based, MvP of course.
I was on a 500 server once and EVERYONE had 3x Kiels+Thana and spammed Sonic Blow >__>
I don't see the fun, honestly.
Ah, I see; that's an oki reason :P
It takes me 2h to reborn a Priest and 3h to reach 99 High Priest on a 70/70/20. Sniper generally would take me a day to reach 80~ Sniper from Novice. That's all right for me; anything below 20/20/20 is killer though >_< I can't do 5/5/5 or something; it's ridiculous.
So if there was an HR that was 99/70 and the community, admins, and donations weren't crappy, perhaps more people would switch from nub 250+ to the real 99/70? :<
and Omini, it's because it's not fun, and there's no skill. There's a reason that those cards are supposed to take forever to obtain; HRs breach that barrier.
I think 255 is the most balanced
Yeah, I mean where is the fun in using the same "tactic" as everyone else?
Ecspecially when it consists of using cards that are supposed to be hard to obtain, but everyone has them.
Quote from: Yusifer on Nov 09, 2009, 03:37 PM
So if there was an HR that was 99/70 and the community, admins, and donations weren't crappy, perhaps more people would switch from nub 250+ to the real 99/70? :<
Exactly.
Show me an HR server like that, and I'll instantly join. :<
Quote from: Cabal on Nov 09, 2009, 03:38 PM
I think 255 is the most balanced
255 is kinda balanced, yeah. Not like 500/150 lol.
I play on a 200/120, very balanced.
Lol, yeah 500 is way over the top.
yeah I'd go around 99-255 at most anything beyond that would require a lot more balancing and wayyy more work.
Quote from: Fade on Nov 09, 2009, 04:23 PM
yeah I'd go around 99-255 at most anything beyond that would require a lot more balancing and wayyy more work.
ya, but I have seen a few server with max lvl something like 10k that arent on RMS that have been very balanced (esspecially for that level)
10k? Wow, that doesn't even sound worth trying, lol. Though it would be interesting to see balance on a server like that...
Quote from: Omni on Nov 09, 2009, 04:30 PM
10k? Wow, that doesn't even sound worth trying, lol. Though it would be interesting to see balance on a server like that...
I was surprised too...and there is one on RMS called boundlessRO with a max lvl of 30k too...
Hmm, I honestly didn't know they had level caps that high.
The only reason I can see for people joining a serer like that is to "to see what its like to be Lv. 30,000" kind of thing.
lol I was planning on making a server at one point :< Maybe I'll make a dual-server; an MR and an HR, both max level 99/70.
In any case, level 30k is abused. Hell >< I thought 2k was bad but 30k o_O
Quote from: Yusifer on Nov 09, 2009, 04:55 PM
lol I was planning on making a server at one point :< Maybe I'll make a dual-server; an MR and an HR, both max level 99/70.
In any case, level 30k is abused. Hell >< I thought 2k was bad but 30k o_O
Lol, yeah i wasn't even aware of any 30k servers until Cabal mentioned it...
What has RO come to?
Quote from: Yusifer on Nov 09, 2009, 04:55 PM
lol I was planning on making a server at one point :< Maybe I'll make a dual-server; an MR and an HR, both max level 99/70.
I would join it!
Quote from: Tom~ on Nov 09, 2009, 05:14 PM
Quote from: Yusifer on Nov 09, 2009, 04:55 PM
lol I was planning on making a server at one point :< Maybe I'll make a dual-server; an MR and an HR, both max level 99/70.
I would join it!
I would atleast try it out too :D
Quote from: Cabal on Nov 09, 2009, 05:22 PM
Quote from: Tom~ on Nov 09, 2009, 05:14 PM
Quote from: Yusifer on Nov 09, 2009, 04:55 PM
lol I was planning on making a server at one point :< Maybe I'll make a dual-server; an MR and an HR, both max level 99/70.
I would join it!
I would atleast try it out too :D
Guess I found out my project :P lest someone steals it.
I don't see the point of making a HR with a Level cap of 99/70, it doesn't take long at all to get max level. I guess the only reason would be to have a larger variety of characters at your diposal to play, since it doesn't take long to max. Also, would be nice to comit all your free time to card huntning.
I do see a point. As I stated on my previous post, I don't have enough spare time to max/equip chars, so I would like to see a good server with max base level 99/70. The only one i've seen is battleRO... and we all know it sucks.
:<
Quote from: Omni on Nov 09, 2009, 05:27 PM
I don't see the point of making a HR with a Level cap of 99/70, it doesn't take long at all to get max level. I guess the only reason would be to have a larger variety of characters at your diposal to play, since it doesn't take long to max. Also, would be nice to comit all your free time to card huntning.
ya i agree, atleast 255 o.o
Quote from: Tom~ on Nov 09, 2009, 05:30 PM
I do see a point. As I stated on my previous post, I don't have enough spare time to max/equip chars, so I would like to see a good server with max base level 99/70. The only one i've seen is battleRO... and we all know it sucks.
:<
Though, in cases where you are not plentiful in time, I perfectly understand the desire to get max level out of the way. Then, you can work on equips and such.
Well, I don't see a bad point in that. Sure, you level fast, but you still hafta work your butt off for equipment, and Abbey still needs you to have an HP xD It's just for people who already know how to level and don't have the time / are too lazy (for whatever reason) to get to 99/70 again. They can just hunt items and stuff and jump into PvP and WoE :P No questions asked.
'cause seriously, I restarted 12+ times on MR servers under 70/70, and I'm lazy now - I know how to kill 500 Anolians Dx Why do I hafta keep PROVING it?
Lol, yeah why prove we know how to waste hours to get max Level.
Anyways, the thing that interests me is the ability to spend the majority of your time item/card hunting, instead of grinding through levels.
Quote from: Omni on Nov 09, 2009, 05:40 PM
Lol, yeah why prove we know how to waste hours to get max Level.
Anyways, the thing that interests me is the ability to spend the majority of your time item/card hunting, instead of grinding through levels.
Yeah, exactly. I just wanna get to 99/70 fast >> and then grind for equipment lol; I wish I knew more about eAthena as to start this up o0
Do some research and get it goin' lol.
Couldn't you ask for help regarding eAthena on your current server?
Quote from: Omni on Nov 09, 2009, 05:47 PM
Do some research and get it goin' lol.
Couldn't you ask for help regarding eAthena on your current server?
I know how to set one up :P I did it many times (offline though); the thing that makes me iffy is bugs. I don't know how to handle bugs very well lol!
Lol. Yeah, that would be an issue when running a server xD.
Quote from: Omni on Nov 09, 2009, 03:27 PM
Those servers are for people who are too lazy to play the game the way it was made to be played.
Quote from: Omni on Nov 09, 2009, 05:40 PM
Anyways, the thing that interests me is the ability to spend the majority of your time item/card hunting, instead of grinding through levels.
Quote from: Omni on Nov 09, 2009, 03:33 PM
I was on a 500 server once and EVERYONE had 3x Kiels+Thana and spammed Sonic Blow >__>
I don't see the fun, honestly.
Hmm....
QuoteRates 20/20/20 | MaxLvl 200/120 | MaxStat 200
I think your posts and your signature are not consistent.
Quote from: Omni on Nov 09, 2009, 03:42 PM
I play on a 200/120, very balanced.
Of course! Having over 3000 more status points to distribute is clearly more balanced than the original 99/70 99 max stat method! And those extra fifty skill points, why, the way to have balance is to have NO UNIQUE SKILL BUILDS AT ALL! JUST GIVE EVERYONE EVERYTHING! Your server is pure brilliance I tells ya.
I like servers above lvl 255 due to the fact it's easier to level and less time consuming. The days of me playing low rate servers and spending most the day trying to reach lvl 99 are way over and I find high rate servers better for me.
Not everyone likes the grind of low rates and people with jobs, etc don't have the time to play all the time.
I agree that lvl 99 low rate is more fulfilling and partying is fun but it's not for everyone.
I find the PVP on lvl 255+ servers better.. but that's just me. :p
PvP on 255+ must be just all over the place xD I think about it and it scares me D: Already 150 is messed up
It is kinda over the top I agree especially with 4 slot equip etc.. You can have uber resistance which can make the PVP experience rather boring.
The main thing I hate about high rate PVP is the Pro wannabes who think there gods because of there resistance etc.. But I enjoy slapping them down :P
Way back I played a server which was 5k max lvl where you could use bows on sins etc.. Some of you might know this server but it was pretty insane and wasn't like Ragnarok
at all. Also it was possible to get 150% reflect.. Which was pretty funny.
Anyway I have played a few max lvl 999 servers and I know it's not for everyone.. Doesn't take to much skill really, just get a good card build and some donor equips and have lowish Def
and your good to go.. bit of switching helps too and /bm ofcourse :P
I think I would get eaten alive in lvl 99 pvp now haha.
You don't see much 99/70 servers built for PvP only(click and go, no leveling or grinding and stuff). Those kind of server I normally find in the Malaysia/Singapore private server but no where else. I might not have searched hard enough though.
so give more HP's and SP to the players. so when they encounter a Boss like satan morroc they will stand a chance.
Quote from: Speedwagon on Nov 09, 2009, 10:14 PM
Quote from: Omni on Nov 09, 2009, 03:27 PM
Those servers are for people who are too lazy to play the game the way it was made to be played.
Quote from: Omni on Nov 09, 2009, 05:40 PM
Anyways, the thing that interests me is the ability to spend the majority of your time item/card hunting, instead of grinding through levels.
Quote from: Omni on Nov 09, 2009, 03:33 PM
I was on a 500 server once and EVERYONE had 3x Kiels+Thana and spammed Sonic Blow >__>
I don't see the fun, honestly.
Hmm....
QuoteRates 20/20/20 | MaxLvl 200/120 | MaxStat 200
I think your posts and your signature are not consistent.
Quote from: Omni on Nov 09, 2009, 03:42 PM
I play on a 200/120, very balanced.
Of course! Having over 3000 more status points to distribute is clearly more balanced than the original 99/70 99 max stat method! And those extra fifty skill points, why, the way to have balance is to have NO UNIQUE SKILL BUILDS AT ALL! JUST GIVE EVERYONE EVERYTHING! Your server is pure brilliance I tells ya.
Hm, what exactly is not "consistant" with my posts? Saying that I prefer a level cap of 200ish... and
PLAYING on a 200 max server? Seems pretty consistant to me.
I feel... targeted? Honestly, whats the point, lol. Oh and thanks! My server is
pure brilliance! <3
Anyways, back on...
subject ;D
The only idea that is appealing to me regarding MRs with max 99/70, is that you have the option to spend most of your time card/equipment hunting. I would like to try one out some time.
i think 250++ Level's is better than 99/70 why? if you go hunt Mvp's on a 99/70 server you probably need like 20 pplayers to kill satan morroc? with 255++ level's given the right items it would only be like 5 players.
Well, based on what it drops for a 99/70 server, 10 skilled players is normal (20 if you're nubbish or mixed).
Quote from: illusionro on Nov 10, 2009, 04:28 PM
i think 250++ Level's is better than 99/70 why? if you go hunt Mvp's on a 99/70 server you probably need like 20 pplayers to kill satan morroc? with 255++ level's given the right items it would only be like 5 players.
But... Ragnarok Online is a
MMORPG. The MVPs (especially the ones added in more recent updates) are
supposed to require the cooperation of many players to kill. I don't understand why someone would want to play an MMORPG as if it were a console game with cheat codes enabled; that defeats the purpose of playing a social game in the first place.
And staying on topic, I'm honestly not sure what appeals to people about servers with levels higher than 99/70. I realize that there are people who feel that they don't have the time to level on low rate servers and instead choose to play high rates because they want to get a max level trans character ASAP, but in that case it seems that the 99/70 level cap would be ideal for those players because they would max their characters very quickly, while still enjoying the class balance and diversity of builds available in low rate servers
You know what the point is? Here you go:
for the hell of it. Yeah, they're not very balanced or whatever, but most people play them to save time and for fun.
Also, it eliminates grind. And grinding is boring as hell. Unless you find grinding absolutely FUN AND EXCITING. People enjoy the game for different reasons, anyway.
Additionally, who's to say what's the proper way to play RO? I'm pretty sure that Gravity wanted a bunch of snot-nosed brats people taking their game and creating free Private servers.
Okay, I'll stop here before I start getting internet-ragey.
love how you guys act like 99/70 is the ABOVE ALL server rate. its just not that way anymore and different people like different things. i play 99/70, 255/120(or whatever its set as), and 500/150(or 200 lul) rates and thats because i LIKE them. 255 is great pvp and 500 is also good pvp even though its mostly champs with uber spam lol. its still fun, they might not be able to "come kill you on 99/70" but you probably cant kill them on their rates either.
I admit I like both 99 / 70 and 255 / 120. I'm losing my love for LR's cause on each server I go to I can never manage to make friends or get transed. With 255 I can make friends and take a little less stress to get everything set. my only problem is finding balence and a good high population since my favorite server shut down
Quote from: Karmarsi on Nov 11, 2009, 10:17 AM
I admit I like both 99 / 70 and 255 / 120. I'm losing my love for LR's cause on each server I go to I can never manage to make friends or get transed. With 255 I can make friends and take a little less stress to get everything set. my only problem is finding balence and a good high population since my favorite server shut down
Have you ever tried an MR 99/70 around 150~200? It's quite easy and relaxed :) You can easily transcend and become an 80+ Sniper in a few hours.
I wish there were more 99/70 servers with high exp and drop rates(1000x+).
I'm not that into mobbing or grinding. PvP and WoE is what I care about. Especially WoE.
But most 99/70 servers are also 25x and below. Or dead.
Not all MR/HR servers are above 99/70. You just need to find one :)
Lvl 500 servers are mostly PVP based and about builds and class imbalance.
Quote from: BluSnow on Dec 13, 2009, 04:02 AM
Lvl 500 servers are mostly PVP based and about builds and class imbalance.
What server that Lv 500..
My Ro does'n reach that......
only lv 250 and job 90.....
Quote from: .::AsSaSsiN-X::. on Dec 23, 2009, 07:32 AM
Quote from: BluSnow on Dec 13, 2009, 04:02 AM
Lvl 500 servers are mostly PVP based and about builds and class imbalance.
What server that Lv 500..
My Ro does'n reach that......
only lv 250 and job 90.....
The MyRO or your RO server or the server you play? Either way, 99/70 is imbalance what more can be said towards 255/120 or 500/1lulzy? Its your own preferences that matters.
There isn't a point with it in my opinion.
True balance can only be achieved with 99/70 max levels, or phrehaps with
the new max for 3rd jobs.
I also don't see the point of more than 300. It's just unbalanced and unnessecary.
Quote from: Omni on Nov 09, 2009, 03:27 PM
Those servers are for people who are too lazy to play the game the way it was made to be played.
Hahaha... :D I guess we're all lazy, especially your server. 1x1x1x original rates, ah... the good ol' days.
To be honest, I think the only reason people play
H/SH rate servers is because they dont want to take the time and effort to get the a high level without having there
195 att speed or there
200k damage.
Spoiler
Doesnt matter to me. I just need my buds and some sort of community
Ignore my previous posts on this matter. I've changed my mind on this couple of months.
99/70 to 170/90 are the most balanced max levl caps in my opinion. *Playing a couple of LR/MR servers can totally change someone's perspective*
I prefer 99/70. I haven't even bothered with anything above that because the builds I have for my WS and such just get thrown out the window. Amistr is a 50/50/30/10 server that's 99/70. I think there's like...4 MVP cards total on the server and it 's been up for like 9 months now.
i prefer lv 255/90..
its easy to mvp...
Quote from: Tom~ on Jan 21, 2010, 08:56 AM
Quote from: .::AsSaSsiN-X::. on Jan 20, 2010, 10:47 PM
i prefer lv 255/90..
its easy to mvp alone...
Fixed.
HAHAHAHA.... ;D
i like using my champ for mvp...
its easy man... ;)
Personally, I think that anything over like 150/70 is to high..The higher you go level wise the easier the game gets...A mid rate with 250 or something levels is just stupid...You'll just go solo the MVPs and blah blah boorrriiinnnggg. Unless of course they make the mobs stronger. But ya..High levels on anything less than a high rate is lame.
in my server the item drops so fast then dissapear so we cant get it...
like mvp card its hard to get....
so i must use autoloot to get it...
and if i go to mvp alone i didnt getting bored... because i like playing RO..
Call me old-fashioned, but in my eyes, if there's no point to partying in a server, it effectively misses the point of being a MMORPG.
Quote from: Skotlex on Jan 25, 2010, 08:24 AM
Call me old-fashioned, but in my eyes, if there's no point to partying in a server, it effectively misses the point of being a MMORPG.
I agree.
If someone wants to play RO alone, why not make an offline server? Parties are the fun part of playing a MMORPG. :<
yeah....
i play mvp alone if i using my champion...
i mvp using champ if mvp against easy boss...
its hp under 400.000...
but i'll play in party i using HW...
against high hp mvp boss... in party, with my friends...
Quote from: Tom~ on Jan 25, 2010, 08:56 AM
Quote from: Skotlex on Jan 25, 2010, 08:24 AM
Call me old-fashioned, but in my eyes, if there's no point to partying in a server, it effectively misses the point of being a MMORPG.
I agree.
If someone wants to play RO alone, why not make an offline server? Parties are the fun part of playing a MMORPG. :<
I, uh, hate partying, but offline servers are ghey and boring. I like the idea of others playing alongside me and competing. Partying just sucks lol
Unless it's with YussYuss or 'nubis leaching <3
Quote from: Yusifer on Jan 25, 2010, 09:48 AM
Offline servers are ghey and boring. I like the idea of others playing alongside me and competing.
i agree...
i play online not because want to play in party...
but play with other player alongside me and we competing....
I play any character level rate except servers having below 200 base level cap, Leveling shouldn't be too easy or too hard for a random new player to RO or an old vet PRO player in my belief, I can manage to level/max any char even if it takes 2-4hours, but anything taking me more than that limit or even one day isn't my style, Yeah, I know it goes against the normal RO, but that's why its called private RO servers, customized depending on the player's personal preferences on how they wanna play RO, I do play mostly for time to hunt cards, quest equipments/customs, chill out with friends at town, pvp a lil, mvp a lil, events a lil, and just have a good time playing RO, Grinding, hmm not really fond of grinding for levels or equipments but I did try it a couple times on a few MR servers, it was okay but not really my taste of tea, We all have our own personal opinion and desires on the "perfect level" and each entitled to their own choices, 99 or 999 don't really matter, as long as we have a good time playing RO in the end :)
well i think if the max lvl higher than 250, its too unbalance and boring, first server i played was 250, at first i think it's so good, but i getting bored in the end, because i can mvp alone, or something, it's like i play offline ro, but i think 250 still balance, but higher than that is too unbalance
You can MvP With A 99/70 Char? Solo Lmao
Just Some Of The MvP's Though So What Is The Problem There
Quote from: Lokeal on Apr 20, 2010, 11:59 AM
You can MvP With A 99/70 Char? Solo Lmao
AsuraChampsFTW?
I've seen a level 98 High Priest and a level 80something wizard effectively kill Dark Lord in less than 5 minutes on a 3/3/2 server...partying and tactics is how you mvp on these kind of rates. Each MVP has its own weakness, so finding that weakness and utilizing it is all party of the game itself. I prefer highrates because I just don't have the time to play low rates anymore, but I do agree that it is super hard to find balancing with any baselevel over 255. I've seen 500/140 do it pretty well, but there's always at least one class that gets screwed lol
AFAIK you can solo Dark Lord on a Battle Priest.
Quote from: Cabal on Nov 09, 2009, 03:38 PM
I think 255 is the most balanced
yeah me too...
of all the server i play i mostly like 255 level server rather than 99 because level 99 is kind of hard to kill a mvp(i need at least die 5 time to kill a maya) and for 255 level is better because the monster hp will be adjusted to higher than it is and we still can use some fast casting skill rather than in 1 hit ko from the mvp
not to say fast casting,atack speed is also increased to 195 that why i mostly like the 255 level server
i totally like 255 level server but now there were alot of server with 500/120 or maybe 1000 lol
Anything over 99(pre-renewal) just screws up the balance. The entire status ailment mechanic system will be messed up, instant-cast mechanics will get messed up, even the hp modifier will get messed up compared to the damage gain.
If you say 255 is balanced because ''you can solo MvPs'', it's your own preference, it's not balanced. What you're confusing with balance is fun, well fun for you atleast.
If you say 255 is balanced because ''you can solo MvPs'', it's your own preference, it's not balanced. What you're confusing with balance is fun, well fun for you atleast.
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zzzz it not fun for me only lol
well let me ask u then...
u prefer a 1 hit ko with the mvp
or u can pare with the mvp
ofcourse it is pare!
well it not like we cannot die when solo mvp lol
some may also kill us in 1 hit ko too
but it is better than die before fight right?
on the matter of balance...
tat is not really a problem in speed or casting
in fact many people prefer a high speed playing rather than slow
because in pvp,who kill fast he own the pvp lol
Quote from: datme on Jan 05, 2011, 08:23 AM
If you say 255 is balanced because ''you can solo MvPs'', it's your own preference, it's not balanced. What you're confusing with balance is fun, well fun for you atleast.
Quote from: kylrion on Jan 06, 2011, 07:20 AM
zzzz it not fun for me only lol
well let me ask u then...
u prefer a 1 hit ko with the mvp
or u can pare with the mvp
ofcourse it is pare!
well it not like we cannot die when solo mvp lol
some may also kill us in 1 hit ko too
but it is better than die before fight right?
on the matter of balance...
tat is not really a problem in speed or casting
in fact many people prefer a high speed playing rather than slow
because in pvp,who kill fast he own the pvp lol
If I understand you correctly(which is hard):
Neither of those is ''balance'', it's just you not being good at the game enough. If it's no fun for you sucking @ the game, then by all means play your silly 255 servers but do not claim they're ''the most balanced''.
Higher-tier MvPs weren't made to be solo'd. RO has always been a teamgame, if not why would they have guild+party's+dungeons requiring a party(Endless Tower)
RO isn't about ''I can click faster than you!!!'' or ''I'll just do 1 hit skill and the MvP's death!'', it's about tactics and strategy. Gear and stats are all part of this aswell.
But then again you probably don't get any of this, so why would I even bother arguing more?
i think that people put like 255 levels just to change things up and make things interesting, but IMO i dont think its necessary because as someone above said anything above 99 just screws things up :)
Anything over 99 is just retarded with this game as poorly balanced as it is giving certain classes more HP or stats in general is a bad idea unless the server has the renewal nerfs to skills like EDP
I haven't even began to factor in [4] Gear's
well u CAN say tat because u got fren to help u! /hmm
but for those newbies!
wat can they do? /wah
i can believe it is nothing! /no1
they have to totally Farming real hard all by themselves and can count on nobody /pif
well maybe u say gm will help them but for how long?
maybe there were no gm help at all >__< /bawi
i can say this cause i have ady experienced this situation in alot of 99-lvl server.
NOT to say the 99 lvl server is not gud but it is very hard to play /wah
that is all i can say /sob
Quote from: kylrion on Jan 07, 2011, 08:36 AM
well u CAN say tat because u got fren to help u! /hmm
but for those newbies!
wat can they do? /wah
i can believe it is nothing! /no1
they have to totally Farming real hard all by themselves and can count on nobody /pif
well maybe u say gm will help them but for how long?
maybe there were no gm help at all >__< /bawi
i can say this cause i have ady experienced this situation in alot of 99-lvl server.
NOT to say the 99 lvl server is not gud but it is very hard to play /wah
that is all i can say /sob
we all started out as newbies, it's just that you didn't factor in your own intelligence^^
zzzzz
yea right
as if! ;D
zzzzz
nop
you're retarded ;D
btw can someone ban this guy for his avatar
lmao that posting + typing goes HARD
Quote from: datme on Jan 05, 2011, 08:23 AM
Anything over 99(pre-renewal) just screws up the balance.
This summarises my stance on this as well :)
wat sup with my avatar?
it aint really H thing =.='''
>.<
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I agree that base levels past 99 pre-Renewal screws up the game's mechanics. Though, for me, 120's a hard cap, just for some "moving room". Past that, I've found that there's insta-cast everywhere, and pure-stat-based classes dominating, mostly. The main example for the latter would be the caster archetype: At a level cap of 150 (less when paired with gear), their casts are instant by default, and they have a ton of MATK behind those casts. Which is against what casters do on 99-capped servers, which is sacrificing some "oomph" for some casting speed (and survivability).
Of course, these imbalances also force players to one build, rather than a build that suits their playstyle, to accomplish anything in-game.
To those that say >99 means there's less grinding, the cap has nothing to do with that. There are a few high-rate, low-cap servers out there. Which I'd prefer, if I'm looking for a more traditionally-styled RO server right now (but I'm not). And then there are also base level>255 capped servers where you're out to grind.
I hate the grind as well, and that's why I stuck through those 999-servers, since (at that time) only those types of servers remove the grind from the equation.
Oh, and kylrion, my head hurts from your posts.
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sorry for the inconvenience in my writting Xinth...
it just that this is my style of writting ^^''''
i cannot really help it...
I say to each his own. I always had a preference for good old RO but then again I started on a low rate server (like 3/3/2) and spent months grinding with a friend, we had +7 stuff and over 50 def at the end of said grinding and we spent like 8 hours doing quests sometimes, not something I'd do again but we did have fun and a lot of great conversations at the same time.
I also did high rates and enjoyed the MVP rooms and having a billion zeny. Why? I was very young at the time and got a kick out of killing most lower-tier MVPs alone with any class. I never liked PVP-ing or WOE-ing so I can't speak for that category of people but honestly I don't get 4-slotted equips, it just makes the game really boring. The high rates I played on were reasonably customized but that was a long time ago, now 500 customs+ is really over the top and ruins the game. I played a completely wacky server once, the mobs were not official and the drops weren't official either and I was basically playing a different game and it got really old really fast, especially since I was level 500 or so.
Right now I'm looking for a server with high exp rates (100K/100K even, don't care) and LOW drop rates, especially for MVPs, and no customs if possible. I don't know why nobody's made a good 99/70 server like that yet.
Rates like (x)xxx/(x)xxx/75-300/10 MAX (equips included) for MVPs would be awesome.
Add @storage, @autoloot, @autotrade and an up-to-date warper with the new dungeons and I am in. You get the grinding, the balance, the partying since most people are max level, and you can spend all your time in the new dungeons where mobs hit you for 10K a pop.
Honestly, anything beyond even 20 drop rates for MVPs completely ruins the economy, as a former whitesmith I'm hurting for my colleagues because how can you vend elemental weapons or +10 level 1/2 weapons which are staples of a normal and healthy RO economy if everybody has god-like equips?
I feel like they should give something to the WS as a compensation ...
I just can't stop my hands when I saw this thread. 99/70, period. A friend of mine plays on a server where the max level is 255 - which is completely ridiculous in my eyes. Breaks the whole game and takes the fun out of it as well. And when it comes to rates, well... The highest one I've played on is 5/5/3, but then again I haven't played for a really long time. Yet something in me just prevents me to try out mr or hr servers.
I spent one school day talking with my classmate about the rates of servers. We finally came to the conclusion that there is nothing fun in servers where you can get everything in one kill, including levels and cards and such. Sure, I've read how some people just don't have the time to grind their asses to max level or farm the stuff they need - I can understand that in some weird way, but still... I'm playing mainly on a 3/3/2 server, and I gained 3 trans chars within a year. Because it took me the time it took to get those characters, I'm really attached to them as well. It made me sad to see someone write on this finnish site how s/he could get 5 trans chars within a week - sure, if you don't really wanna work to get them... But I still don't see how the person had so much pride when that was said, because I as sure as hell wouldn't be proud about making 5 maxed trans chars within a week. It only tells me that a) you did practically nothing much to get them and b) it didn't require any skills. You just click stuff aimlessly for an hour or two and bam, wow, you have a fully equipped 99/70 trans.
Just reminding everyone that this is my opinion, nothing else. *shrug*
Yeah, there's the whole attachment thing. That's problematic when a server closes though. On a 50/50/50, leveling most chars to 99 trans takes about couple of weeks, unless you play all the time. And to be honest, 50/50/50 = hard for a WS. As I said in the other thread, it depends on the class you want to play.
Leveling an SL/ non-trans char will obviously be extremely easy though.
I played HR before and I think that HR allows you to discover the game much faster. That said, you can suck badly and still "pown" an MVP because you're level 500.
Since Ragnarok created 3rd class jobs (urgh), the max base level on some servers has now been raised to 150.
Fear not, though - most level 100+ new world monsters would OHKO a fully-geared LK, so I can see why they had to make up new jobs.
Someone mentioned that HR allows you to explore. It's true. I spent a lot of time in Biolab 3 with my HW level 255 (rates were like 150/150/150 though, so it took me a while to level). Seriously, why create all those awesome new monsters if nobody can get near them but champions, snipers or sages with cobwebs? I think that HR re-balances the game in a weird way, even if I'd never play one regularly. Xilero was my home a long time ago but I forgot my password and my account has probably been deleted.
Some monsters just aren't killable unless you have a party of 10 people, and sometimes it can be very frustrating, especially when you'd like to fully enjoy the game. I saw hard rock mammoth in a new world field today, and while I had fun luring tatachos away from him, I never DS-ed him. I'm not completely crazy - his slaves alone would OHKO anyone in a matter of seconds.
Well, I like that MVP, and yeah, I might just make a level 500 on RMS and give myself godly equips to DS it to death.
RO is a game, so if killing an MVP when you're level 500 fills you with joy, then go for it.
Personally, I'd rather play around on RMS but play on a low/mid rate server that's legit.
Oh yeah, all the 3rd jobs. I'm actually looking forward to those, because currently I have only few characters that are useful in someway in New World. But yeah, about the huge parties. On my server I've been in a Beelze party couple of times. We had... me as a prof, two high priests, one high wizard, a whitesmith, lord knight, alchemist, clown, paladin and soul linker. 10 people in total if my math doesn't fail me now. To kill a high tier MVP requires lots of people, and even more - the people to be online at the same time to make the party possible. Kinda sucks for me because most of the people who do high tiers live in North America and I live in Finland - time zone difference is huuuuuge.
All in all, whatever floats your boat. If you wanna level fast and solo everything you set your eyes on, then do it. If you like partying and slowly getting to the point you wanna get to, do so. I'm the kind of person who just loves to see slow and sure progress for some odd reason.
Edit: And now somebody's already butt hurting because of my posts. *sigh* As I said - whatever floats your boat.
I wonder why everyone generalizes high-rates and thinks they're all scrubby 255 s***.
That's like me saying low-rate players have no skill compared to 99/70 high-rate servers and that all they do is grind kawaii hats/pvm/mvp(owait what I said is actually true my bad)
My reason for seeking servers with Job levels between 200 and 500 are very simple. I like to solo. It's just what I enjoy doing. Granted, on a server with Lv255 max, its quite easy to kill some of the smaller MVP's. But even at Lv255 its impossible to solo kill Ifrit, Satan Morroc, Valk-R', Bio3 bosses, ETC- Not to mention the new god forsaken mini bosses in splendid. ._.;;
Quote from: Nuclear Toast on Jan 30, 2011, 12:49 AM
My reason for seeking servers with Job levels between 200 and 500 are very simple. I like to solo. It's just what I enjoy doing. Granted, on a server with Lv255 max, its quite easy to kill some of the smaller MVP's. But even at Lv255 its impossible to solo kill Ifrit, Satan Morroc, Valk-R', Bio3 bosses, ETC- Not to mention the new god forsaken mini bosses in splendid. ._.;;
No offense, but all of those MVPs you mentioned are possible or even easy to solo at max level 255. Heck, some are soloable (dual or triple clients, but just one person) at 99/70. Even when Admins "buff" MVPs on mid/high rate servers all they normally do is increase their max HP which only makes it slower to kill them, not harder. It's all just about knowing what you're doing and getting the right gear combination.
And there aren't any mini bosses in splendid field. They are charge arrowable which proves my point and new world is soloable with a magic or long range character and SW or Cobweb with horrible equips before you're even 90.
Quote from: Leamee on Feb 02, 2011, 11:00 AM
And there aren't any mini bosses in splendid field.
Ugh.. Yes there are. One in Splendid Field. One in Manuk Field.
Manuk has an elephant thing.
What's the one in Splendide? I don't recall anything there but Pinguicula, Cornus, Luciola Vespa, and Naga.
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Oh, now I remember. Tendrillion.
I never go to the last floor of a dungeon but I was in manuk field 3 and yes there's the elephant but he's so slow you won't get eaten by him. Tendrillion is another story though but I've never seen him.
What's The Point? Well, just try to maintain its players killing and killing monsters in exchange of a total loss of the game balance.
I tried to play overlvl servers and I got bored because lvling & PVP was all boring, either lame as s*** because of MVP cards or like three classes*three skills or needing donates to win etc.
Quote from: Leamee on Jan 22, 2011, 07:41 PM
Yeah, there's the whole attachment thing. That's problematic when a server closes though. On a 50/50/50, leveling most chars to 99 trans takes about couple of weeks, unless you play all the time. And to be honest, 50/50/50 = hard for a WS.
I lold hard.
And I lol at your nolifeness.
Leveling a Pure Forge on 50/50/50 without Resetter, that's hard. You basically have to leach it.
However,
You can play 3h/day and you'd have a 99/70 WS in no time. If there's Repeatable Quests, even faster (assuming Quests are also 50x).
Thor with Star Gladiator, Bio 3 Party, Anubis, Geffenia, Mosco Dungeon, Magma Dungeon... If you have the cash, even at 3h/day it wouldn't take longer than three or four days to trans to 99/70, going 3-4h/day.
It starts getting hard and long when rates are <10/10, imo. Otherwise, you can just Abbey (or an equivelant) or something and you'd trans in little time at all.
I always liked HR/SHR servers because of the leveling up fast factor. I'm more of a customs collector, so I prefer to max out my characters pretty quickly and start collecting headgears, chat with people, participate in events, etc. I tried LR/MR servers, but I just don't like how long it takes for me to level up a character. I don't find the leveling up process to be fun xD. But yeah, if it's HR/SHR, I don't mind the max base level, and those servers tend to have max levels beyond 250.
I think 250(255) servers with 70 job level are the MOST balanced when it comes to pvp and woe. Any class can kill any other (except soul linker maybe but this class was never meant for pvp )
Yes, there's a bit different gameplay due the fact that anti stun and instant cast are available without food etc. But there's no clear advantage for any class. Super novice killing sinx isn't the rarest thing to see :)
Of course some status cards aren't as useful as they are on 99 but still there's a skill and stat builds and they make huge difference.
As for MVP - well 255 level just brings the things to where they was before that insane power up and earthquakes and other mass wipe skills.
Low tier mvps are really easy to kill (it's not hard to solo eddga, garm, phreeoni, gopinich, gtb on 99 too), but high level mvps still are high level. and can kill you before you can count to two. Before that Veins update typical mvp party was 3-5 people. it's still the same on 255, And it's impossible to solo ET or sealed shrine. In fact while it's possible to solo bio3 mvp (good luck to try this with high wiz mvp though :D), it's still real pain in the @ss and nobody can level there solo. So 200-255 levels still require parties to do the stuff. It's easier but just a bit. And it's more fun.
as for job levels - 70 is fine, 90 is ok too but it can give some classes a kind of advantage. 120 - too much as it's eliminates skill builds, only good thing is higher weapon refine chances :)
But everything i said before only applies to servers without or with cosmetic customs, +over 9000 stat wings and hats, lower headgear slots just break the game completely.
500+ levels aren't much of a fun at all, what's the point of pvm when only way to get killed is afking in thor, bio3 or to punch mvp with coma skill without bathory card. Same for PVP - wizards are almost useless, snipers too, rest spam yggs as hell because they can carry more than 500 of them.