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I have been playing on travels for about 5ish months. I enjoyed most of my time there and honestly the community while small is pretty nice, but please stay away, the GM team is on a power trip and their number one motto is censor ship.
Where do i even begin with the issues.
- They have an automod set up on the discord server which is perfectly normal. But i can say F**K and nothing gets flagged. If you say Ban or any word similiar, you get a 1hour silence and post deleted. This only exists because they don't want people discussing banned players or asking about them.
- Posts are regularly shadow deleted from the discord. Then zero explanation is given why your post is deleted, what rule it broke if any. If you ask about a missing post you get silenced and that post is deleted. If you bring up banned players the posts just get deleted.
- The staff snoops all private message and guild chat logs, and either create alt discord accounts or get friends to spy on private guild discords. This is unacceptable, you can't police people on their own discord groups.

A guild mate of mine was permabanned from the travels discord for talking about vpns and "slurs" against the staff. We did say some choice words in venting in our private discord group, but it was that, private. When I reached out to all mighty lord J as to why he was banned, I was sent screen shots from our personal guild discord which he should not have been able to look at. He found a 2.5/5 review i left(since changed to a 0/5) and banned me for it. I broke no rules, never multi cliented, botted, cheated, or did anything against the server rules, but Lord J did not like what we wrote in our personal discord and my review so he banned me.

Update: My guild leader reached out to the Gm to try and have peace talks to get me unbanned and figure out why we were being spied on in our private guild discord. Instead of having an actual dialog, Lord J decided that he is responsible for everything his guild does and says, and to even think of asking for me to be unbanned meant he was also perma banned with me.

This player goes by "UnknownGod", and was banned for impersonating staff, using slurs against staff, and discussion of using VPNs to break server rules.

Quote from: Imperial Regalia on Apr 09, 2022, 11:04 PM
This player goes by "UnknownGod", and was banned for impersonating staff, using slurs against staff, and discussion of using VPNs to break server rules.

When I was banned yesterday it was for slander and slurs, now its impersonating staff, slurs and discussing VPNs.
Impersonating staff, i made my name similar to yours, never once pretended to be you or even alude I was you, so not really impersonating.
Slurs- I dont think you know what that word means, we said some choice things about you in our "private" guild discord, but I would not say they were slurs, nor where they said in an public forum, but a private forum to vent.
VPN- We discussed that one could use a VPN to get around dual client limits, we also told someone who talked about it to not do it. I wasn't banned for using a VPN to break rules, but saying that you could use a VPN to break rules. That's like getting arrested for saying you could use a knife to rob someone, but never actually doing it. Once again, this information was taken from our private chats. So were being banned for the discussion of rule breaking, and spying.

These kind of obvious cheater players getting banned is why I like travels. Many servers are overrun with them

Quote from: Lordy_J on Apr 09, 2022, 11:12 PM
When I was banned yesterday it was for slander and slurs, now its impersonating staff, slurs and discussing VPNs.
Impersonating staff, i made my name similar to yours, never once pretended to be you or even alude I was you, so not really impersonating.
Slurs- I dont think you know what that word means, we said some choice things about you in our "private" guild discord, but I would not say they were slurs, nor where they said in an public forum, but a private forum to vent.
VPN- We discussed that one could use a VPN to get around dual client limits, we also told someone who talked about it to not do it. I wasn't banned for using a VPN to break rules, but saying that you could use a VPN to break rules. That's like getting arrested for saying you could use a knife to rob someone, but never actually doing it. Once again, this information was taken from our private chats. So were being banned for the discussion of rule breaking, and spying.

So you didnt impersonate him you just use his name with 1 character difference...? Oh okay

Quote from: BaphometRag on Apr 10, 2022, 12:15 AM
These kind of obvious cheater players getting banned is why I like travels. Many servers are overrun with them

Never were banned or accused of cheating. We were banned for discussing something that could be used for cheating. Not how to cheat, or that we would cheat, but that a VPN could be used to get around the dual client rule or an ip ban.

I made the name out of frustration. If you look at my 3 posts and review, none of them even hint at the fact that I am lord J. Hell even Lord J doesnt use his normal account, instead he uses his alt Imperial Regalia.

oh yeah i seen your first review that mysteriously deleted. and the funny this is the RO travels got reviewed like 3times that day trying to bury the Neutral Review of yours.




LOL

Not surprising. Similar stuff happened with my guild(spies). Warning for everyone: Just avoid this server and anything Lord J touches
By the way, every single reply so far above is alts of Lord J, so don't bother talking to them.

The server really should be renamed to PowertrippingRO - Where you could get banned for anything, even saying banana.
Watching Rii comments in their server discord shows they don't understand most of RO as a whole, poor staff choice indeed.

You should go to r/ragnarokonline and grab some popcorns honestly, the amount of throwaways these guys do just to prove their point is unreal. I really admire their commitment

Quote from: sheik92 on Apr 10, 2022, 09:19 PM
You should go to r/ragnarokonline and grab some popcorns honestly, the amount of throwaways these guys do just to prove their point is unreal. I really admire their commitment

oh yeah i love how that 3 guys tried to defend ROTravels. as if their life depended on it.

Quote from: sheik92 on Apr 10, 2022, 09:19 PM
You should go to r/ragnarokonline and grab some popcorns honestly, the amount of throwaways these guys do just to prove their point is unreal. I really admire their commitment

It is quite incredible I'll give him that. I wonder if he does it all himself or if he buys comments from services.

 this server has been abusing the review system for quite a while now. I've been on the server, I liked the people there, but kinda wanted to leave after seeing some weird stuff going on, on their discord (ppl get muted). As soon as I went to others discord channels associated with the server I could already smell s***: first thing was someone who played with a GM who got banned just for talking pretty much. Now what that gm do, go on those private discord channel screenshot stuff out of context and ban. No real proof in Game of cheating whatsoever.

A GM with a all-or-nothing mindset, should never run a server especially a low rate one. What people want is an understanding GM who is fair its simple. But Ragnarok Travels fail at that. What they do now is go on the sub reddit and tell that they banned cheaters, go on the reviews page here, contest the review, tell the guy is a cheater and ban him.

It just show that they probably ban more people than any servers and/or that their community is garbage can filled with cheaters. What a nice view. But hey according to some travellings-maniacs it's "the best" server ever, so great that there is like 50-60 people commenting (subreddit) all of a sudden, more people commenting than a big server of 1k people.

Quote from: Sams on Apr 11, 2022, 12:53 PM
this server has been abusing the review system for quite a while now. I've been on the server, I liked the people there, but kinda wanted to leave after seeing some weird stuff going on, on their discord (ppl get muted). As soon as I went to others discord channels associated with the server I could already smell s***: first thing was someone who played with a GM who got banned just for talking pretty much. Now what that gm do, go on those private discord channel screenshot stuff out of context and ban. No real proof in Game of cheating whatsoever.

A GM with a all-or-nothing mindset, should never run a server especially a low rate one. What people want is an understanding GM who is fair its simple. But Ragnarok Travels fail at that. What they do now is go on the sub reddit and tell that they banned cheaters, go on the reviews page here, contest the review, tell the guy is a cheater and ban him.

It just show that they probably ban more people than any servers and/or that their community is garbage can filled with cheaters. What a nice view. But hey according to some travellings-maniacs it's "the best" server ever, so great that there is like 50-60 people commenting (subreddit) all of a sudden, more people commenting than a big server of 1k people.

This server has fake number of people I remember when the population says there are like 80 + online players 30+ merchants. I know something is fishy when I couldn't find these players that they are talking about. So I counted how many merchant in town and guess what there are like 60+ merchants. Something is not adding up. FAKE reviews; fake online players and nasty GM.  Stay away. /heh

Quote from: Sams on Apr 11, 2022, 12:53 PM
this server has been abusing the review system for quite a while now. I've been on the server, I liked the people there, but kinda wanted to leave after seeing some weird stuff going on, on their discord (ppl get muted). As soon as I went to others discord channels associated with the server I could already smell s***: first thing was someone who played with a GM who got banned just for talking pretty much. Now what that gm do, go on those private discord channel screenshot stuff out of context and ban. No real proof in Game of cheating whatsoever.

A GM with a all-or-nothing mindset, should never run a server especially a low rate one. What people want is an understanding GM who is fair its simple. But Ragnarok Travels fail at that. What they do now is go on the sub reddit and tell that they banned cheaters, go on the reviews page here, contest the review, tell the guy is a cheater and ban him.

It just show that they probably ban more people than any servers and/or that their community is garbage can filled with cheaters. What a nice view. But hey according to some travellings-maniacs it's "the best" server ever, so great that there is like 50-60 people commenting (subreddit) all of a sudden, more people commenting than a big server of 1k people.

Looks like travels has be delisted off RMS too now.

Quote from: MaybeImWrong on Apr 11, 2022, 09:34 PM

Looks like travels has be delisted off RMS too now.

Banned from the Ragnarok reddit as well. (https://www.reddit.com/r/RagnarokOnline/comments/u3bc9w/regarding_a_recent_event/) The first server to ever get a complete ban, congrats!  /heh

heads up folks, there are alot other good classic servers worth to play.
/no1

As a wise man once said, "You can fool all the people some of the time and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time."

What a sh*tshow server  /heh
Almost everytime I opened RMS there is always a problematic thread about this particular server.
I wonder why people keep playing in this server /hmm

Quote from: Herpderp on Apr 14, 2022, 10:18 AM
Banned from the Ragnarok reddit as well. (https://www.reddit.com/r/RagnarokOnline/comments/u3bc9w/regarding_a_recent_event/) The first server to ever get a complete ban, congrats!  /heh

Update:
(https://i.imgur.com/OyBG2S1.png)

Apparently LordJ's response to getting banned for sockpuppet spam and vote manipulation, was to do more sockpuppet spam and vote manipulation. What a brilliant plan for damage control.  /heh

Quote from: Phillistia on Apr 15, 2022, 02:36 AM
I wonder why people keep playing in this server /hmm

It's a good server. If enough cheaters complain they can get anything in trouble though

This server does censorship, spying, and chat monitoring. Freedom of expression is not "welcome" there.

I'm not sure if this is permitted, but there is another server that is very similar to the official server. It's called KokoRO. The community is friendly, and the founder/developer is mature and capable. You guys should check that out.


Staff Edit: Leave countries / politics out of discussion, thanks.

There is many people playing the server, there is no reason for players to quit the server at all, the server can be relisted at RMS at some point and if it isn't then who cares, many servers still live while not being here like that Kokoro server just mentioned.

The people that are happy about whatever happened to TravelsRO are people that have beef with the owners of the server for banning them and the mayority of them did something they shouldn't, now there is a lot of hipocrisy going on: apparently every server and the RMS people can do any ruling they want and administer their server or website on any way they please... But not the TravelsRO administration, it's a double standard that comes from heavy bias against the server for one reason or another, like i said, mostly people that are mad they could not get their way on the server and they got banned.

Now, this whole botting thing and bought reddit accounts while I don't approve it (if it happened), I'm pretty sure a lot of servers have done this in the past or are actively doing it but they are not caught because not many people are watching them 24/7 like it happened on TravelsRO, so once again there is a double standard here being applied and a lot of hypocrisy.

The server per se it is still good and the best classic x1 server out there, it is not an emulator and the mechanics are accurate, this is ragnarok classic like it should be, the server is no compromised by any exploit, bug abuse or something similar because J actually cares about the integrity of the server, guilds don't get special treatment here and overall there is no privileges, the server desicions are not made by the top guild like in all the servers out there, you will not feel like a second class citizen here, this is the main reason why a lot of people are but hurt about the server, their mob mentality doesn't fly there, you can not just use your numbers to bully J to get your way, you can not use numbers to shame him into submission, and for this people that is outrageous, all their lives they have been getting their way and suddenly it doesn't work they make a tantrum.

Once again: the server is still good regardless of what happened, no reason to quit.

Funny how a server with the goto response for criticism being "they're lying because they're a cheater/botter/slanderer" got delisted from RMS and banned from reddit for vote-botting. Pot calling the kettle black, eh?

It seems that even after this debacle and exposure for wrongdoing, the preaching of the sock puppets still persists. The same claims that only cheaters are wrongly attacking the server, and the emphasis on how "accurate" the mechanics are read like right off of the server's website. The ruse is so obvious, it's baffling why they still keep trying.

Quote from: lungo on Apr 15, 2022, 09:26 AMNow, this whole botting thing and bought reddit accounts while I don't approve it (if it happened), I'm pretty sure a lot of servers have done this in the past or are actively doing it but they are not caught because not many people are watching them 24/7 like it happened on TravelsRO, so once again there is a double standard here being applied and a lot of hypocrisy.

I will point out that psychology studies show that people who engage in unethical behavior are prone to thinking the same practice is more prevalent among more people. In other words, if you believe many other people cheat, chances are you cheat yourself. Not only are you making false assumptions that other servers manipulate their votes, but then you complain of hypocrisy based on these assumptions alone.

It might be the case that some other servers have tampered with their ratings, though which ones and to what extent, no one can say. What everyone can generally agree with, however, is that the instances where this occurred with Ragnarok Travels were blatantly obvious and tiring.

Quote from: Inspector Clouseau on Apr 15, 2022, 07:38 PM
It seems that even after this debacle and exposure for wrongdoing, the preaching of the sock puppets still persists. The same claims that only cheaters are wrongly attacking the server, and the emphasis on how "accurate" the mechanics are read like right off of the server's website. The ruse is so obvious, it's baffling why they still keep trying.

I will point out that psychology studies show that people who engage in unethical behavior are prone to thinking the same practice is more prevalent among more people. In other words, if you believe many other people cheat, chances are you cheat yourself. Not only are you making false assumptions that other servers manipulate their votes, but then you complain of hypocrisy based on these assumptions alone.

It might be the case that some other servers have tampered with their ratings, though which ones and to what extent, no one can say. What everyone can generally agree with, however, is that the instances where this occurred with Ragnarok Travels were blatantly obvious and tiring.

On the same sentence you say I am wrong and then that I am right.

I am not a cheater and before saying what I said i clearle stated: "Now, this whole botting thing and bought reddit accounts while I don't approve it (if it happened)..."

The only reason you believe Travels was more "blatant" is because it had a heavy BIAS againt it, too many eyes were watching their every move so I believe if we checked all the servers with the same scrutiny we would find many that have done the same.

Quote from: lungo on Apr 15, 2022, 09:32 PM
On the same sentence you say I am wrong and then that I am right.

I am not a cheater and before saying what I said i clearle stated: "Now, this whole botting thing and bought reddit accounts while I don't approve it (if it happened)..."

The only reason you believe Travels was more "blatant" is because it had a heavy BIAS againt it, too many eyes were watching their every move so I believe if we checked all the servers with the same scrutiny we would find many that have done the same.

It was only blatant because of... people's biases?



Two bought reddit accounts which we know for a fact were accounts purchased, nearly a thousand votes manipulated in packages of 25 each (with a few being 50), "evidence" posted on these accounts were discrediting a guild with carefully cropped screen shots from their own private discord to remove context and doctoring false screenshots for evidence to support their false narrative. More so, these accounts only knew things that only the staff at the server should know.

I don't need to be 'biased' to tell you that everything that has happened is not okay no matter what environment it happens in -- Ragnarok private server or not. Yeah I'm sure other servers exist that do their own shady stuff. To use that to ignore what happened this week though is clear-cut "whataboutism".

People's privacy was horrendously breached and someone tried to start a witch hunt on them. They tried so hard to fulfill this that they were willing to conjure up false evidence and spend hundreds of dollars in an attempt to do so and to try and save face when exposed.


That is not okay. It's not even about "the server" or Ragnarok itself at that point and I hope everyone can at least come to an agreement with that. But if staff is truly involved, then that makes the server more than a "bad" server -- it makes it dangerous to be on.

Those of us that have been trying to warn others about the truth for the last year will live rent free for life in the hearts of Lord J  /kis /kis2

Quote from: Sairek Ceareste on Apr 15, 2022, 11:55 PM
It was only blatant because of... people's biases?



Two bought reddit accounts which we know for a fact were accounts purchased, nearly a thousand votes manipulated in packages of 25 each (with a few being 50), "evidence" posted on these accounts were discrediting a guild with carefully cropped screen shots from their own private discord to remove context and doctoring false screenshots for evidence to support their false narrative. More so, these accounts only knew things that only the staff at the server should know.

What about the burner accounts the guild that got banned for cheating used? And no one knows who manipulated votes and even if they were (in either direction) theres no evidence that the staff was involved at all. Thats your conjecture. And the accounts youre talking about havent posted screenshots so thats a lie the only screenshots I saw were from the thread exposing the guild.

Another misleading statement is that anyone got their privacy breached when it was a person in their own guild who reported the cheating talk and the insults themselves afaik. The banned guild itself admitted they had a mole and that mole couldve given them to any number of people. Basically you are peddling a bunch of misleading statements to push a biased agenda because its your server competition

Quote from: Shuchou on Apr 16, 2022, 12:31 AM
Those of us that have been trying to warn others about the truth for the last year will live rent free for life in the hearts of Lord J  /kis /kis2

I mean given that youre still talking about him and he doesnt know who you are sounds like he's rent free in your head

PS Travels isnt going anywhere? There are servers with 1000s of players not on rms. Im on and its normal business here

Quote from: InsomniacTV on Apr 16, 2022, 01:49 AM
What about the burner accounts the guild that got banned for cheating used? And no one knows who manipulated votes and even if they were (in either direction) theres no evidence that the staff was involved at all. Thats your conjecture. And the accounts youre talking about havent posted screenshots so thats a lie the only screenshots I saw were from the thread exposing the guild.

Another misleading statement is that anyone got their privacy breached when it was a person in their own guild who reported the cheating talk and the insults themselves afaik. The banned guild itself admitted they had a mole and that mole couldve given them to any number of people. Basically you are peddling a bunch of misleading statements to push a biased agenda because its your server competition
I mean given that youre still talking about him and he doesnt know who you are sounds like he's rent free in your head

PS Travels isnt going anywhere? There are servers with 1000s of players not on rms. Im on and its normal business here

If by misleading you mean how discord comments were cut out and singly posted out of context as 'proof' that any cheating was done. Yet the guild in question posted the FULL convo screen shots that displays the comment about using a VPN was made AFTER Lord J went on about how the guild would start getting banned for someone asking questions. Its on reddit for everyone to see, so please keep lying.

Plus how would you know who Lord J does and doesn't know, Oh right you're his alt account like everyone that's been defending travels to date. /heh

Quote from: InsomniacTV on Apr 16, 2022, 01:49 AM
What about the burner accounts the guild that got banned for cheating used? And no one knows who manipulated votes and even if they were (in either direction) theres no evidence that the staff was involved at all. Thats your conjecture. And the accounts youre talking about havent posted screenshots so thats a lie the only screenshots I saw were from the thread exposing the guild.

Another misleading statement is that anyone got their privacy breached when it was a person in their own guild who reported the cheating talk and the insults themselves afaik. The banned guild itself admitted they had a mole and that mole couldve given them to any number of people. Basically you are peddling a bunch of misleading statements to push a biased agenda because its your server competition
I mean given that youre still talking about him and he doesnt know who you are sounds like he's rent free in your head

PS Travels isnt going anywhere? There are servers with 1000s of players not on rms. Im on and its normal business here

What about the guild's burner accounts? The OP of the original thread came out and posted with his normal account after his identity got doxxed by the bad acting burner accounts, which showed it is someone at Travels who is involved one way or another as those screenshots is evidence that a normal player should not have. It isn't speculation that someone within Travels is involved at that point. OP's guild also wasn't the one buying a ridiculous amount of votes, while the people posting the supposed "cheating evidence" did, which kind of makes it even harder to take the cheating allegations as gospel when they have to miscontextualize the screen shots and manipulate the voting system in an attempt to seem more legitimate, doesn't it?

The OP meanwhile, when asked to provide full conversations for context behind the screen shots when they did came out, actually did. Better yet, he did so on a desktop version of Discord by the way -- with video. And he showed the deletion logs for the server as well to show that nothing had been deleted to manipulate the context of the conversations to boot.
The version of Discord used is important, because with the browser version of Discord, anyone can edit the code of the page within the browser itself to make a conversation say or look however they want it to, then take a screenshot for "evidence". It is extremely easy to do.

The other side has been extremely reluctant to show anything but cropped screenshots for any proof at all, which if the proof was legitimate, would take just a couple minutes to do and should be extremely easy to provide if legitimate.

So... What did they do instead?

They manipulated Reddit's voting system and breach the site's ToS by buying upvotes for themselves and downvotes against the guild and anyone supporting them to try and make their shoddy evidence be more appealing (including a random throwaway account that claimed to be in the guild yet did absolutely nothing to prove it) whilst manipulating the narrative, then later on bought burner accounts to continue to try and push the narrative that the guild is the one in the wrong.
Let me put it simply and clearly:
Absolutely NO ONE who is telling the truth should have any reason to dox people's privacy, crop messages to mis contextualize them, manipulate Reddit's vote system, or buy burner accounts.

All of this totalled hundreds of dollars spent in an attempt to create a false narrative which no random Joe has any motivation to do, especially with the type of posts they were targeting which showed they had a clear motivation and that motivation wasn't to try and trash the server's rep by doing some 500 IQ reverse psychology tactic.
The fact you'd rather side with the ones who went that far in an attempt to falsely manipulate the story rather than the side that provided evidence hasn't done any of the BS manipulation tacts I stated above and has been quite forthcoming when asked to provide proof, whilst you claim simultaneously that "you can't prove the server is involved" when they're the one who provided the cropped screenshots in the first place to somebody and are touting as 'the truth' behind the "cheating scandal" is incredibly telling on where you already stand on this matter and why. I'm sure people can put two-and-two together by themselves.

As they say; actions speak louder than words.

Man, what a sh!tshow.

Quote from: Sairek Ceareste on Apr 16, 2022, 06:13 AMWhat about the guild's burner accounts?

Yea there was 3 or 4 of them in that thread. You are strangely very silent about that

Quote from: Sairek Ceareste on Apr 16, 2022, 06:13 AMThe OP of the original thread came out and posted with his normal account after his identity got doxxed by the bad acting burner accounts, which showed it is someone at Travels who is involved one way or another as those screenshots is evidence that a normal player should not have

Nope. We are a tight community and everyone knew who it was, and the mole in their guild was probably sending these screens to multiple people.

Quote from: Sairek Ceareste on Apr 16, 2022, 06:13 AMThe OP meanwhile, when asked to provide full conversations for context behind the screen shots when they did came out, actually did. Better yet, he did so on a desktop version of Discord by the way -- with video. The version of Discord used is important, because with the browser version of Discord, anyone can edit the code of the page within the browser

That doesnt mean they didnt cheat and it doesnt clear them for insulting the staff. I suspected that one was cheating from in-game so I wouldnt be surprised if it was confirmed for some of them before they were banned. And thats not true can still do that on the desktop discord.

Quote from: Sairek Ceareste on Apr 16, 2022, 06:13 AMThe other side has been extremely reluctant to show anything but cropped screenshots for any proof at all

Once again the evidence came from the guild itself afaik. They ratted on themselves. "the other side" didnt crop them and thats not an excuse because theres no context where saying that kind of stuff about the staff is okay.

Quote from: Sairek Ceareste on Apr 16, 2022, 06:13 AMThey manipulated Reddit's voting system

No there was some on both sides and theres no evidence or proof that the staff was involved in any of it. Could've been players, could've been someone who doesn't like them, could've been anyone. That's your conjecture.

You make so many flawed points every time you post about this and come across as pushing a biased agenda against your server competitor.

Quote from: InsomniacTV on Apr 16, 2022, 08:20 AM
Yea there was 3 or 4 of them in that thread. You are strangely very silent about that
Nope. We are a tight community and everyone knew who it was, and the mole in their guild was probably sending these screens to multiple people.
That doesnt mean they didnt cheat and it doesnt clear them for insulting the staff. I suspected that one was cheating so I wouldnt be surprised if it was confirmed for some of them before they were banned. And thats not true can still do that on the desktop discord so that doesnt mean the banned guild didnt edit anything and given their behavior and agenda...
Once again the evidence came from the guild itself afaik. They ratted on themselves. "the other side" didnt crop them and thats not an excuse because theres no context where saying that kind of stuff about the staff is okay.
No there was some on both sides and theres no evidence or proof that the staff was involved in any of it. Could've been players, could've been an old enemy of them, could've been a 3rd party server, could've been anyone. That's your conjecture.

You make so many flawed points every time you post about this come across biased.

  /...

QuoteYou make so many flawed points every time you post about this come across biased.

/swt


I don't think you realize how asinine, hypocritical and incredibly obvious you are being right now.
Just like you can't throw hundreds of dollars into bought reddit accounts and vote manipulation to change the reality of a situation, you can't just toss the word "bias" around over and over again as an argument, pretending it means something that it doesn't. That's not how language works. You may try to manipulate the narrative, but believe me, you aren't going to win trying to manipulate the freakin' dictionary.


I did mention the guild's burner accounts by the way and all that, but there's no point in continuing to refute the points anyways. I know it's you. It's the same everything and I'm not the only one who sees it. The point of my post was to show the reality of the situation anyway. With the facts that people can go and see for themselves if they need further proof and inviting them to do so should they be so-inclined to collaborate what I said and see for themselves. But yeah, sure. Let people draw their own conclusions; but I'd bet another -25 reddit downvotes that you'll start improperly claiming "bias" again as soon as they pick a side and it wasn't the side you wanted them to pick.


I'm going to get back to work. We got more refugees today that came from your 'tight-nit community' and I want them to feel welcome, respected and valued as they should be and to get them back up on their feet again. I encourage other servers that have been getting people from this drama to do the same as well. That includes your server, as well. Stop causing more damage and fix your server. You owe that much at least to your players who are braver souls than I would be.

Do you think people playing free servers have the time or a broken brain to spend 100s on burner accounts? O_o

Quote from: InsomniacTV on Apr 16, 2022, 01:49 AMAnother misleading statement is that anyone got their privacy breached when it was a person in their own guild who reported the cheating talk and the insults themselves afaik. The banned guild itself admitted they had a mole and that mole couldve given them to any number of people.

I agree, there was indeed a mole in their guild.  That mole was none other than Lord J, himself.

Quote from: InsomniacTV on Apr 16, 2022, 08:20 AM
You make so many flawed points every time you post about this and come across as pushing a biased agenda against your server competitor.

Shouldn't you be busy looking after your server, Lord J? A brief look at your post history shows nothing but shilling for Travels and discrediting other servers. You are, quite literally, just projecting and are unable (or perhaps unwilling) to realize no mere "player" would do what you're doing. It's painfully obvious and you're not fooling anyone.

After manipulating votes and reviews on both Reddit and this site, getting delisted, wasting hundreds of dollars on throwaway accounts, using player's private conversations as "evidence" and STILL not coming forward with an official statement - you continue to defend this server?

Yeah, it's pretty clear who has a biased agenda here, and it's nobody besides you.

Quote from: Sairek Ceareste on Apr 15, 2022, 11:55 PM
It was only blatant because of... people's biases?



Two bought reddit accounts which we know for a fact were accounts purchased, nearly a thousand votes manipulated in packages of 25 each (with a few being 50), "evidence" posted on these accounts were discrediting a guild with carefully cropped screen shots from their own private discord to remove context and doctoring false screenshots for evidence to support their false narrative. More so, these accounts only knew things that only the staff at the server should know.

I don't need to be 'biased' to tell you that everything that has happened is not okay no matter what environment it happens in -- Ragnarok private server or not. Yeah I'm sure other servers exist that do their own shady stuff. To use that to ignore what happened this week though is clear-cut "whataboutism".

People's privacy was horrendously breached and someone tried to start a witch hunt on them. They tried so hard to fulfill this that they were willing to conjure up false evidence and spend hundreds of dollars in an attempt to do so and to try and save face when exposed.


That is not okay. It's not even about "the server" or Ragnarok itself at that point and I hope everyone can at least come to an agreement with that. But if staff is truly involved, then that makes the server more than a "bad" server -- it makes it dangerous to be on.

Stop putting words in my mouth making strawmans about what I said.

I said I don't agree or condone what happened, I just said that with people watching the server move 24/7 it was meant to happen, there was no way this wasn't going to pass unoticed and if we watched all the servers 24/7 we would find that many do the same of worse, I'm just saying stop acting as if this were the worst thing that you saw happening in the RO community because it is not even close, even if the admin were as dumb to try to cheat the RMS system (there is no evidence shown of this, the only evidence shown is about reddit) the server itself it is still good as I explained but yeah I wish the administration of TravelsRO LISTENED and had some change of heart in some matters because J does a good job in many cases but he just does a terrible job in other instances and he needs to admit that.

At least we are making progress. If by any chance the guy above me (I know who you are on discord as well) is not Lord J, which is possible, then progress has been made for sure. He said LJ did something wrong! That's the first step towards enlightenment. /no1

Quote from: Nova on Apr 16, 2022, 08:47 PM
At least we are making progress. If by any chance the guy above me (I know who you are on discord as well) is not Lord J, which is possible, then progress has been made for sure. He said LJ did something wrong! That's the first step towards enlightenment. /no1

No Im not J but if you are the owner of the Nova server you should shut your mouth pretending you are this inocent angelical being that does no wrong because we can probably go and do a quick search about people complaining about your p2w server or you and find tons of dirt.

Ok, i read your profile and you apparently are not associated with NovaRO, so, yeah I'm not J and yeah the Travels admin is not perfect and he needs to stop pretending he has done nothing wrong, his server per se is good but he needs work in how to deal with certain situations, he acts well in many scenarios but on the same degree he goes and does very questionable bans.

the ppls who will defend travels to their blood (and lordj) will still play keep on playing there.
and thats actually good
imagine travels shutting down and lordj and his folks join YOUR server under a diffrent name...
do u rly want that?
see.
so lets all enjoy the game and keep on playin

Quote from: Stonerook182 on Apr 16, 2022, 11:27 AM
Shouldn't you be busy looking after your server

If you think everyone is Lord J or that no one can play Travels you have Lord J Derangement Syndrome lol. Symptoms include hallucinations and burns. And a brief look at your post history shows you dont have any because you're a new alt account, just like the one that made this thread, so no one should pay attention to you

Quote from: Sairek Ceareste on Apr 16, 2022, 10:34 AM
I don't think you realize how asinine, hypocritical

You get upset when your bias pointed out because it's true. I dont think you realize incredibly flimsy and obvious your agenda is which is to attack your server competition. Going to get back to playing with the new players sent from this thread by your bumps

Quote from: InsomniacTV on Apr 17, 2022, 12:04 AM
Going to get back to playing with the new players sent from this thread by your bumps

Yet travels log in is down 40 players since delisting  /no1

Quote from: InsomniacTV on Apr 17, 2022, 12:04 AMYou get upset when your bias pointed out because it's true. I dont think you realize incredibly flimsy and obvious your agenda is which is to attack your server competition. Going to get back to playing with the new players sent from this thread by your bumps

A bit strange to call me upset and biased still when I'm not the one who tossed hundreds of dollars away on reddit votes and burner accounts to try and spearhead a false story using fake evidence. And attacking how? By telling you to get off your high horse and to actually do your role as an admin and not be a petulant child by not dragging your server's reputation through the mud? What a strange strategy.

I don't care about attacking the server at all. Attacking the server competition does no good in my opinion. Besides, even if that was my goal, you're doing a fantastic job at doing that without my help anyway, so why would I want you to stop being a buffoon in that case? Even more so, I literally have no motive to do so. My server doesn't accept donations and has no cash shop. I volunteer my time for free. More players actually means more work for me to do. You lurk on my server's Discord, so you already know this.

Having more competition creates a healthy environment where servers must try to best another and that's usually good for players. Everybody wins in that scenario. Nobody wins in this one. But some definitely lose much harder than others.


If you spent as much time and money actually working on the server as you do lying, buying reddit votes and burner accounts and creating false narratives, then there wouldn't be a need to pretend the server is in a better state than what it is in the first place.

Imagine walking into a department store concealing your face completely, carrying a big bag, and wearing a big coat with lots of pockets. You look around suspiciously like you're up to something, are evasive when employees come over to help you, and as you walk through the store, the bulges in your clothes keep getting bigger and bigger.

Is it any surprise that all this suspicious behavior would draw attention and cause more and more eyes to focus on you? And it is any surprise that you get caught red-handed as you continue shoplifting, even as you know you are being closely watched? Apparently some people find it astonishing, as they would call such a thief being apprehended injustice and hypocrisy.

So when you eventually stand before a judge, do you really think the argument that there are other shoplifters out there and that the only reason you were caught was due to unfair - dare I say - even "biased" scrutiny? No, of course not. You would have the book thrown at you.

It would be a completely different story and a valid complaint if one server was getting away with a lot of obvious cheating and no one was doing a thing about it - only for a small and innocent server to be punished severely for one small and insignificant infraction. But quite the opposite happened. Ragnarok Travels abused many voting systems and used many different alt accounts to improve their image, to the point where there were too many red flags and there was much suspicion.

The many instances of cheating and dishonesty caused suspicion. The suspicion eventually led to the cheaters being caught. There is nothing more to this tale of the depraved attempting to masquerade as victims.

Quote from: InsomniacTV on Apr 17, 2022, 12:04 AMIf you think everyone is Lord J or that no one can play Travels you have Lord J Derangement Syndrome lol.

Where have I seen this before? [1] (https://www.reddit.com/r/RagnarokOnline/comments/u08hun/ragnarok_travels_beware/i4d28wd/) [2] (https://www.reddit.com/r/RagnarokOnline/comments/u08hun/ragnarok_travels_beware/i4lc93u/) [3] (https://www.reddit.com/r/RagnarokOnline/comments/u08hun/ragnarok_travels_beware/i4gfc14/) [4] (https://www.reddit.com/r/RagnarokOnline/comments/u08hun/ragnarok_travels_beware/i4cu490/)

(https://i.imgur.com/Z0xNPkP.jpg)

Oh right, it's just another burner account you created to shill for yourself. This may also come as a surprise, but you're not nearly as relevant in this planet to have a medical condition named after you.

You should, however, be remembered as someone who lied, manipulated and somehow managed to sink your server harder and more spectacularly than any other, in the shortest amount of time. If this thread brings even the tiniest bit of awareness to your players, it's already a victory for the community as a whole.

Quote from: InsomniacTV on Apr 17, 2022, 12:04 AMAnd a brief look at your post history shows you dont have any because you're a new alt account, just like the one that made this thread, so no one should pay attention to you

Flawless logic there, truly. I'm not the one that needs to prove something, you are. Or will you continue using definitely-not-you "players" to defend your server like cultist zealots on your behalf? Shouldn't you stand up for your "friendly and beloved" community instead of hiding behind them?

Your last Discord message was checks notes almost 10 days ago, before this circus you set up for yourself. You were quite active up until that point; surely you could take a few minutes of your time to address this debacle now that you don't have to spend hours forging fake reviews and buying Reddit downvotes?

Quote from: InsomniacTV on Apr 17, 2022, 12:04 AMYou get upset when your bias pointed out because it's true. I dont think you realize incredibly flimsy and obvious your agenda is which is to attack your server competition. Going to get back to playing with the new players sent from this thread by your bumps

Wishing for something does not make it so. You cannot possibly be this dense, or so I choose to believe. Thinking that anyone calling out your lies is doing so simply to "attack server competition" is not only obvious paranoia, but it also shows how incredibly short-sighted you are.

You can believe this thread is damaging whatever is left of your credibility, more than it's helping you.

Quote from: Shuchou on Apr 17, 2022, 12:38 AM
Yet travels log in is down 40 players since delisting  /no1

160 at off hours on a sunday morning right now. Total pop might even have gone up. Keep bumping

Quote from: Stonerook182 on Apr 17, 2022, 02:52 AMWhere have I seen this before?

If youve seen it before it's because you have it. Lord J Derangement Syndrome (LJDS) was started by someone on the RMS discord to mock people like you.

Symptons include hallucinations and severe butthurt

Quote from: Stonerook182 on Apr 17, 2022, 02:52 AMYou should, however, be remembered as someone who lied, manipulated and somehow managed to sink your server harder and more spectacularly than any other, in the shortest amount of time. If this thread brings even the tiniest bit of awareness to your players, it's already a victory for the community as a whole.

You have LJDS. Youre so thoroughly triggered about one person to the point that youre creating multiple fake accounts on an internet forum. Me and other Travels players just think people like you are sad. No one will remember you but if they did they would feel sorry. Whatever Lord J does at this point he wins and you lose. Even if he closed the server tomorrow he made a profit from it all while youre so butthurt that you need a psychologist.

Travels isnt going anywhere though afaik I doubt they rely on rms. Tough luck?

Quote from: Stonerook182 on Apr 17, 2022, 02:52 AMFlawless logic there, truly. I'm not the one that needs to prove something. Wishing for something does not make it so. You cannot possibly be this dense, or so I choose to believe. Thinking that anyone calling out your lies is doing so simply to "attack server competition"

Says the brand new burner account. And that's what he was doing its immature to see server staff act that way and push misleading statements without evidence.

Quote from: Sairek Ceareste on Apr 17, 2022, 01:28 AMA bit strange to call me upset and biased still when I'm not the one who

You're biased. You're also upset because I went through your misleading claims and pointed out your obvious agenda being a Travels competitor. Quit being immature and do your job better, and then maybe you wont feel the need to spread lies about server competitors? Being such a petulant child reflects both poorly on you and your server. What a strange strategy. To think that youre staff is just lol

Quote from: InsomniacTV on Apr 17, 2022, 03:53 AMIf youve seen it before it's because you have it. Lord J Derangement Syndrome (LJDS)

Quote from: InsomniacTV on Apr 17, 2022, 03:53 AMbutthurt

Quote from: InsomniacTV on Apr 17, 2022, 03:53 AMLOL

Great, I'm arguing with a literal child.

Quote from: InsomniacTV on Apr 17, 2022, 03:53 AMWhatever Lord J does at this point he wins and you lose. Even if he closed the server tomorrow he made a profit from it all

That's a damning and extremely concerning comment. Imagine reading this and thinking this is a good place to invest your time in.

Quote from: InsomniacTV on Apr 17, 2022, 03:53 AMyoure creating multiple fake accounts

No, I only have this account, something any administrator can verify with IP logging.

The one proven to buy "multiple fake accounts" and waste money manipulating votes is you. Once again projecting and accusing others of what you yourself are doing.

Quote from: InsomniacTV on Apr 17, 2022, 03:53 AMTravels isnt going anywhere though afaik I doubt they rely on rms

Obviously. Why else would he fake so many reviews to the point of being delisted.

Quote from: dahman on Apr 16, 2022, 10:48 PM
the ppls who will defend travels to their blood (and lordj) will still play keep on playing there.
and thats actually good
imagine travels shutting down and lordj and his folks join YOUR server under a diffrent name...
do u rly want that?
see.
so lets all enjoy the game and keep on playin

The fact that you keep attacking a whole community unpunished shows a lot about the BIAS that goes on against this server. I't is fine to dislike a server but you are going out of your way to attack the players, players that you don't know personally and you make a caricature of them and speak offensivelly about them, if anyone is safe is the Travels community of people like you.

Quote from: Stonerook182 on Apr 17, 2022, 02:52 AM
Where have I seen this before? [1] (https://www.reddit.com/r/RagnarokOnline/comments/u08hun/ragnarok_travels_beware/i4d28wd/) [2] (https://www.reddit.com/r/RagnarokOnline/comments/u08hun/ragnarok_travels_beware/i4lc93u/) [3] (https://www.reddit.com/r/RagnarokOnline/comments/u08hun/ragnarok_travels_beware/i4gfc14/) [4] (https://www.reddit.com/r/RagnarokOnline/comments/u08hun/ragnarok_travels_beware/i4cu490/)

(https://i.imgur.com/Z0xNPkP.jpg)

Oh right, it's just another burner account you created to shill for yourself. This may also come as a surprise, but you're not nearly as relevant in this planet to have a medical condition named after you.

You should, however, be remembered as someone who lied, manipulated and somehow managed to sink your server harder and more spectacularly than any other, in the shortest amount of time. If this thread brings even the tiniest bit of awareness to your players, it's already a victory for the community as a whole.

Why didn't you showed the screenshot that I posted precisely debunking your claims that I am J myself, showing exactly that you have LordJ Derange Syndrome?, I can do another one:

(https://i.ibb.co/28tkntd/Sin-t-tulo.png) (https://ibb.co/jVMr6MD)

Quote from: InsomniacTV on Apr 17, 2022, 03:53 AM
You're biased. You're also upset because I went through your misleading claims and pointed out your obvious agenda being a Travels competitor. Quit being immature and do your job better, and then maybe you wont feel the need to spread lies about server competitors? Being such a petulant child reflects both poorly on you and your server. What a strange strategy. To think that youre staff is just lol

I would expect someone who spoofs their player numbers, makes false reviews, buys reddit accounts and buys votes to manipulate a narrative would at least understand what "misleading" actually is. All I've done is referenced what happened the past week.

Also, here is the definition of Bias; "prejudice in favor of or against one thing, person, or group compared with another, usually in a way considered to be unfair."

Observing the evidence of both current and past events and coming to one's own conclusion doesn't make someone biased about something. An example of bias would be if I was hosting a competition, and a friend of mine joined it. Regardless of how well the other contestants did and how horrible my friend did, I voted my friend as the winner because I wanted him to win in the first place.
The evidence based on the patterns of the manipulation which we know happened, and the motive behind it, is that you, J, did this. That's not anyone's opinion, it's a fact. So I cannot be biased by just coming to my opinion solely on the evidence:

https://www.reddit.com/r/RagnarokOnline/comments/u3bc9w/regarding_a_recent_event/i4s0tyd/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/RagnarokOnline/comments/u3bc9w/regarding_a_recent_event/i4s0tyd/)


You say I am biased because I am not agreeing with you despite the evidence but that's silly. Show us some genuine, actual, non-doctored proof that this wasn't you somehow, and my opinion and viewpoints may change. You could maybe start by ceasing the use of sock puppet accounts and actually make a proper statement on your real one instead of a bunch of nobody's people don't know coming to your defence.
No cropped screenshots of conversations so people take them out of context or any of that manipulative bollocks. As I said in the reddit thread which you spent $ to downvote my post — twice, so I know you read it: People being truthful and forthcoming are transparent because they should have nothing to hide. That is not the modus operandi you have been following at all.



As for me, I don't go around lurking in other people's Discord trying to dig up FUD on players to ban them with. Players on the server are welcome to say whatever they want about me in their own private Discords. That's their space away from the server and I have absolutely no right to moderate it. I'm not narcissistic enough to believe that everyone has to like me.

Quote from: lungo on Apr 17, 2022, 10:49 AM
Why didn't you showed the screenshot that I posted precisely debunking your claims that I am J myself, showing exactly that you have LordJ Derange Syndrome?, I can do another one:

(https://i.ibb.co/28tkntd/Sin-t-tulo.png) (https://ibb.co/jVMr6MD)

LJ can spend $300 on a single reddit thread to lie and deceive, but he can't spend 2 minutes to create a character on his own server to use in a screenshot in the RMS forums to again lie and deceive apparently!

Quote from: lungo on Apr 17, 2022, 10:49 AMI can do another one

So you're just admitting to being behind one of the few accounts spreading misinformation and spinning a false narrative. You've ensured nothing you pollute this thread with carries any weight.

Posting a random screenshot of you playing proves... absolutely nothing? You make it seem as if creating game accounts for a server administrator wasn't absolutely trivial. This doesn't "debunk" anything, as much as you wish it did; and for someone with a precedent of faking reviews, manipulating votes, buying throwaway accounts and forging fake Discord conversations, you'll need something a bit more convincing.

But perhaps take a moment to realize that, even if you somehow prove being a player - it doesn't make any difference. The server's reputation is still up in flames, you're already banned and delisted, the staff is still nowhere to be found, and the only ones still defending this circus performance are fanatics with a sunk-cost fallacy - namely the owner himself.

Quote from: Nova on Apr 17, 2022, 12:09 PM
LJ can spend $300 on a single reddit thread to lie and deceive, but he can't spend 2 minutes to create a character on his own server to use in a screenshot in the RMS forums to again lie and deceive apparently!

Quote from: Stonerook182 on Apr 17, 2022, 12:20 PM
So you're just admitting to being behind one of the few accounts spreading misinformation and spinning a false narrative. You've ensured nothing you pollute this thread with carries any weight.

Posting a random screenshot of you playing proves... absolutely nothing? You make it seem as if creating game accounts for a server administrator wasn't absolutely trivial. This doesn't "debunk" anything, as much as you wish it did; and for someone with a precedent of faking reviews, manipulating votes, buying throwaway accounts and forging fake Discord conversations, you'll need something a bit more convincing.

But perhaps take a moment to realize that, even if you somehow prove being a player - it doesn't make any difference. The server's reputation is still up in flames, you're already banned and delisted, the staff is still nowhere to be found, and the only ones still defending this circus performance are fanatics with a sunk-cost fallacy - namely the owner himself.

This is litterally a mental disorder. Next time you would ask me to give you a DNA sample and that would be not enough.

That's what happens when people get exposed as shameless serial liars. You lose all respect and nobody will believe anything you say anymore. He can only blame himself for this.

Quote from: lungo on Apr 17, 2022, 12:44 PMThis is litterally a mental disorder

No, this is called critical thinking. Look it up sometime; you sound like you need to.

Quote from: lungo on Apr 17, 2022, 12:44 PMNext time you would ask me to give you a DNA sample and that would be not enough

Unfortunately for you, the Travels staff has proven time and again there is no low they won't to sink to. Nothing you do will one-up the lengths they've already gone to lie, deceive and manipulate.

Nothing short of a direct statement from them will possibly change anything, but that's obviously too high an expectation - and quite frankly would just incriminate them further, given how laughably incompetent they've demonstrated themselves to be at managing a business, let alone handling this incident.

Quote from: Nova on Apr 17, 2022, 12:09 PM
LJ can spend $300 on a single reddit thread to lie and deceive, but he can't spend 2 minutes to create a character on his own server to use in a screenshot in the RMS forums to again lie and deceive apparently!

Ironically lungo is the only poster in this thread that is decidedly not J, lol. He's been around a while before Travels.

Quote from: lungo on Apr 17, 2022, 10:49 AM
Why didn't you showed the screenshot that I posted precisely debunking your claims that I am J myself, showing exactly that you have LordJ Derange Syndrome?, I can do another one:

(https://i.ibb.co/28tkntd/Sin-t-tulo.png) (https://ibb.co/jVMr6MD)

If you don't mind my asking, why was this screenshot cropped?

I suppose it doesn't make much difference anyway, seeing as others have pointed out, a server admin can easily create an account and a character on their own server and produce such a screenshot.

It really would take a lot more, much more, to even come close to proving you are a real player on Travels.  But even then.. well, your opinions that Travels was being treated unfairly are just delusional.

Quote from: neethree on Apr 17, 2022, 01:55 PM
Ironically lungo is the only poster in this thread that is decidedly not J, lol. He's been around a while before Travels.

I think you may be right, actually.  lungo is free to enjoy the server he plays on and even promote it.  But he still won't be convincing anyone that what happened to Ragnarok Travels was unfair.

Quote from: Stonerook182 on Apr 17, 2022, 01:24 PM
No, this is called critical thinking. Look it up sometime; you sound like you need to.

No, critical thinkers wouldn't be acussing everyone they don't like their opinions about a server of being the administrator of said server even after given some proof that they are not, that is what a deranged person would do.

Quote from: Inspector Clouseau on Apr 17, 2022, 01:58 PM
If you don't mind my asking, why was this screenshot cropped?

I suppose it doesn't make much difference anyway, seeing as others have pointed out, a server admin can easily create an account and a character on their own server and produce such a screenshot.

It really would take a lot more, much more, to even come close to proving you are a real player on Travels.  But even then.. well, your opinions that Travels was being treated unfairly are just delusional.

I think you may be right, actually.  lungo is free to enjoy the server he plays on and even promote it.  But he still won't be convincing anyone that what happened to Ragnarok Travels was unfair.

It is cropped to make the relevant stuff more noticeable: the server name and the message.

Next time you will ask why I am on that map, or why my cursor is on certain position and demand more and more and nothing will satisfy you people because this is a mental disorder, ouright paranoid schizophrenia.

Quote from: neethree on Apr 17, 2022, 01:55 PM
Ironically lungo is the only poster in this thread that is decidedly not J, lol. He's been around a while before Travels.

Travels was listed on RMS a year before Lungo's account was made.
Travels Date Posted: 2020-09-20
Lungo joined date: Sep 14, 2021

Quote from: Shuchou on Apr 17, 2022, 06:24 PM
Travels was listed on RMS a year before Lungo's account was made.
Travels Date Posted: 2020-09-20
Lungo joined date: Sep 14, 2021

Cause he's goes through identities like underwear lol, this is just his latest account. Probably not allowed to name them because it's personal info of a player(?) but he's got a pretty distinctive and non-J posting style, you've probably seen him and know him as a different name. I've seen him on 4 servers over the years and he actually was negative towards Travels early in its life. Yes J sockpuppets like mad, this guy is sketch and a fanboy if you will but he's not J. 

Quote from: lungo on Apr 17, 2022, 03:47 PM
No, critical thinkers wouldn't be acussing everyone they don't like their opinions about a server of being the administrator of said server even after given some proof that they are not, that is what a deranged person would do.

This, but Lord J Derangement Syndrome (LJDS) is a serious mental disorder to deal with so don't be so hard on 'em

They see Lord J behind them in their bathroom mirror at night

Quote from: Sairek Ceareste on Apr 17, 2022, 11:54 AMI would expect someone who spoofs their player numbers, makes false reviews

So OathRO?

Quote from: Sairek Ceareste on Apr 17, 2022, 11:54 AMObserving the evidence of both current and past events and coming to one's own conclusion doesn't make someone biased about something.

It does if the conclusion is based on misleading statements and you dont have any real evidence for your assumptions. You're biased and wanted to attack your server competitor, but your ego can't take it being pointed out. Quit being childish and go do your job, and then maybe you wont feel the need to jump into unverified lies? What a strange strategy. To think that youre staff is just lol

Quote from: neethree on Apr 17, 2022, 07:23 PM
Cause he's goes through identities like underwear lol, this is just his latest account. Probably not allowed to name them because it's personal info of a player(?) but he's got a pretty distinctive and non-J posting style, you've probably seen him and know him as a different name. I've seen him on 4 servers over the years and he actually was negative towards Travels early in its life. Yes J sockpuppets like mad, this guy is sketch and a fanboy if you will but he's not J.

My only account is this one, is the one on which I made my RetRO review and haven't created any other one since that because I want that review to stay for all people to see. Anyone can go there and read it, if I were J I wouldn't have an in depth thread about that server.

And I am not  J fanboy either, multiple times on this post I have said he indeed has made some unfair bans and that in some cases he does not act correctly IMO, and evens said that if he indeed tried to game the RMS system then he was dumb.

I genuinely think that he has the best x1 server though and this is why I get double mad at him for not having a bit of change of heart and going back and unban some people he shouldn't have banned.

And many people that did indeed do something to get banned they know he has the best x1 server too, they played there and that is why they are mad too now, because they can't play Travels anymore and have to cope on the other x1 servers which are a complete s*** show.

So long story short: J please get your s*** together and make some unbans you know they need to happen, last year alone you really f*** up on many, tone down the ego a bit, you have a great server, it is fine to protect it and to be proud of it because it is indeed really good, but don't expect we behave like members of a sect or cult like following dude, let people express themselves and to come and go to the server as they please, you don't own us dude and I mean this in a very respectful way, learn from this experience and keep going, but do make those unbans, you know you owe this to your community.

Oh and f*** talk to us, seriously you have been all quiet, you don't talk here on RMS, you don't answer PM's, come on!, talk to us.

Quote from: InsomniacTV on Apr 17, 2022, 08:15 PM
This, but Lord J Derangement Syndrome (LJDS) is a serious mental disorder to deal with so don't be so hard on 'em

They see Lord J behind them in their bathroom mirror at night
So OathRO?
It does if the conclusion is based on misleading statements and you dont have any real evidence for your assumptions. You're biased and wanted to attack your server competitor, but your ego can't take it being pointed out. Quit being childish and go do your job, and then maybe you wont feel the need to jump into unverified lies? What a strange strategy. To think that youre staff is just lol

wait arent theyre a group of people who left the server because they found a hidden location where theres tons of merchant vending. i think it was during the Xmas event last yeah LOL

talk about spoofing the number of players AMIRITE?

Quote from: lungo on Apr 17, 2022, 03:51 PMIt is cropped to make the relevant stuff more noticeable

Quote from: lungo on Apr 17, 2022, 10:49 AMprecisely debunking your claims

Quote from: lungo on Apr 17, 2022, 10:49 AMshowing exactly

If you truly believe screenshots are valid evidence of anything, I have a bridge to sell you.

(https://i.imgur.com/Px1VFtD.jpg)

I am, however, inclined to believe you might be your own person. Still, unfortunate that you can't see reason despite all the actual evidence provided by Reddit moderators and how shady everything surrounding this server is. Not to mention the other two locked threads regarding equally questionable behavior by the staff.

Does it not bother you, at all, how they haven't stepped forward to make a single statement despite getting banned from Reddit and delisted from RMS? This can only signal they are either indifferent or complicit, and neither is a good outlook. Why are you putting your skin on the line for someone who doesn't care about you?

Shouldn't this, at the very least, raise a number of red flegs for consideration on your mind?

Quote from: InsomniacTV on Apr 17, 2022, 08:15 PMSo OathRO?

Complains about people accusing your server without evidence.

Proceeds to do the same.

Classic.

Quote from: Stonerook182 on Apr 17, 2022, 09:03 PM
If you truly believe screenshots are valid evidence of anything, I have a bridge to sell you.

(https://i.imgur.com/Px1VFtD.jpg)

I am, however, inclined to believe you might be your own person. Still, unfortunate that you can't see reason despite all the actual evidence provided by Reddit moderators and how shady everything surrounding this server is. Not to mention the other two locked threads regarding equally questionable behavior by the staff.

Does it not bother you, at all, how they haven't stepped forward to make a single statement despite getting banned from Reddit and delisted from RMS? This can only signal they are either indifferent or complicit, and neither is a good outlook. Why are you putting your skin on the line for someone who doesn't care about you?

Shouldn't this, at the very least, raise a number of red flegs for consideration on your mind?

I don't owe you any proof, I went out of my way to take a screenshot of my characer but you still make up stories on why I am still lying... just like a person with mental issues.

I'm going to be honest and I was already: I don't aprove of him gaming the RMS system (if he did)... and at the end of the day I honestly don't give a single f***, it doesn't affect me in any way and I won't go and leave the server and stop playing like you people with LJDS expect all us to do, me and my gf have our characters there and we like the server, many people still do and we won't start leaving in droves because you want us to lmao, that is not going to happen.

If anything gives me caution is J inhability to revert some bans he has done, particularly at the end of last year, he really f*** up on those and I expec him to do something about it but I can't controll him, I have expressed my opinions about this to him and that is all I can do.

Quote from: InsomniacTV on Apr 17, 2022, 08:15 PM
This, but Lord J Derangement Syndrome (LJDS) is a serious mental disorder to deal with so don't be so hard on 'em

They see Lord J behind them in their bathroom mirror at night
So OathRO?
It does if the conclusion is based on misleading statements and you dont have any real evidence for your assumptions. You're biased and wanted to attack your server competitor, but your ego can't take it being pointed out. Quit being childish and go do your job, and then maybe you wont feel the need to jump into unverified lies? What a strange strategy. To think that youre staff is just lol

Ah right, there's no evidence at all that could possibly prove that there was the use of burner accounts involved in the manipulation of votes that were defending the serv—

(https://i.imgur.com/kYKo6cu.png)

/omg Oh Em Gee! What is THIS!? /omg

And on the same website, you can buy reddit votes, too!? Why, it's almost like someone who's server's reputation is being tanked and was getting outed by somebody tried to save face by calling the accusers liars and cheaters!

But hey, if you want to disprove the evidence and explain, I'm listening! After all, you do have a habit of digging yourself into a deeper hole so I'm genuinely interested to see. Hopefully it doesn't cost you money this time.


Anyone is welcome to come count the player heads on our server, by the way. Like I said, we've got nothing to hide. I am confident in how transparent and honest we have been to our players. Both the vendor and "total" counts are on our website, so subtract the vendor number from the total and you got the amount of actual "players" roaming around on the server. I try to do my best at scoping out and banning any multi-clienters to the point it's become a meme on the server on how many "wives" I've given the ban hammer to since that's the excuse I hear all the time when someone tries to refute the evidence I have on them.
All I ask is that anyone who comes onto the server agrees to follow the rules.

As for fake reviews, I'll of course deny that claim. However if you believe there's fake reviews on our side, then I encourage you to do your due diligence and go through the official channels via contacting yC so they may do a proper investigation on them. I wouldn't want any fake reviews to be boosting our server's ratings.


See how easy it was for me to be honest and transparent? And I didn't even need to toss out $300 for burner accounts or votes! Wowie!  /no1

Quote from: lungo on Apr 17, 2022, 09:21 PM
I don't owe you any proof, I went out of my way to take a screenshot of my characer but you still make up stories on why I am still lying... just like a person with mental issues.

I'm going to be honest and I was already: I don't aprove of him gaming the RMS system (if he did)... and at the end of the day I honestly don't give a single f***, it doesn't affect me in any way and I won't go and leave the server and stop playing like you people with LJDS expect all us to do, me and my gf have our characters there and we like the server, many people still do and we won't start leaving in droves because you want us to lmao, that is not going to happen.

If anything gives me caution is J inhability to revert some bans he has done, particularly at the end of last year, he really f*** up on those and I expec him to do something about it but I can't controll him, I have expressed my opinions about this to him and that is all I can do.

So there we have it. This guy has no sense of morality and does not care about a *redacted* scamming and lying his way through an already small community that is the Ragnarok Online lowrate community. Yet here he is defending that *redacted* day and night as if LJ is his father. You're one heck of a weirdo you know that. But in any case, the bold text should be the end of this discussion. Let LJ and his server rot. The people that play there will either read up and realize whos server they're playing on and leave or they won't. And since his server is banned on Reddit and here on RMS, I suggest we let this thread die as well.

lungo I wish you luck, as you put Lord J in an awfully difficult position.

Now that he knows your character name, he could ban you for criticizing his behavior, the bans he made in the past, and your disapproval of the Moderator Rii (https://forum.ratemyserver.net/rant-and-rave/ragnarok-travels-36254/msg202682/#msg202682).

But on the other hand, if he banned you now, then there would be no one left to defend his server.

I'm so curious as to what will happen.

Quote from: Inspector Clouseau on Apr 17, 2022, 10:11 PM
lungo I wish you luck, as you put Lord J in an awfully difficult position.

Now that he knows your character name, he could ban you for criticizing his behavior, the bans he made in the past, and your disapproval of the Moderator Rii (https://forum.ratemyserver.net/rant-and-rave/ragnarok-travels-36254/msg202682/#msg202682).

But on the other hand, if he banned you now, then there would be no one left to defend his server.

I'm so curious as to what will happen.

You think I myself haven't expressed to him the things I don't agree with?, I was VERY clear to Rii herself that I don't like how she moderates discord and then talked to J about why I don't believe she should be in the staff of TravelsRO, I still believe that.

I still have my account, so does my gf and if he indeed banned me in revenge or somethinh I would just move one like I did on RetRO, I wouldn't invest my time on any x1 server anymore though, the Ragnarok community as a whole is probably the most Toxic community I have seen and as such servers are unstable, not worth spending a lot of time on a server specially not on x1, sadly this toxicity is also present on official servers and from the owners of the game itself, I think the original creators left a long time ago and the people that own Ragnarok are just milking the whale fanboys.

Quote from: Nova on Apr 17, 2022, 09:53 PM
So there we have it. This guy has no sense of morality and does not care about a *redacted* scamming and lying his way through an already small community that is the Ragnarok Online lowrate community. Yet here he is defending that *redacted* day and night as if LJ is his father. You're one heck of a weirdo you know that. But in any case, the bold text should be the end of this discussion. Let LJ and his server rot. The people that play there will either read up and realize whos server they're playing on and leave or they won't. And since his server is banned on Reddit and here on RMS, I suggest we let this thread die as well.

When are the mods are going to do something about this people attacking, insulting, lying, defaming etc?

And you say there is no Bias...

Quote from: lungo on Apr 17, 2022, 11:36 PM
When are the mods are going to do something about this people attacking, insulting, lying, defaming etc?

Should the mods do something about you saying to people that they have a "literal mental disorder", too?  /hmm


I'm sure mods are watching and will step in if or when they deem it necessary to do so.

Quote from: Sairek Ceareste on Apr 18, 2022, 12:16 AM
Should the mods do something about you saying to people that they have a "literal mental disorder", too?  /hmm


I'm sure mods are watching and will step in if or when they deem it necessary to do so.

No they shouldn't because that's the behavior this people are having, they are acting completely out of control accusing everyone of being someone else even when proof is presented that shows they are wrong in their assumptions they double down and make up stuff about how whatever proof you presented is not enough, that's what a people with schizophrenia would do.

Why are you here though? Are you the owner of that circus of a server that completely borked the balance of the game with custom changes called Oath? If you are you should stop acting like you are perfect because you aren't LMFAO.

Quote from: lungo on Apr 18, 2022, 12:43 AM
No they shouldn't because that's the behavior this people are having, they are acting completely out of control accusing everyone of being someone else even when proof is presented that shows they are wrong in their assumptions they double down and make up stuff about how whatever proof you presented is not enough, that's what a people with schizophrenia would do.

Why are you here though? Are you the owner of that circus of a server that completely borked the balance of the game with custom changes called Oath? If you are you should stop acting like you are perfect because you aren't LMFAO.

/heh /heh /heh
borked the balance LMAO

Quote from: lungo on Apr 18, 2022, 12:43 AM
No they shouldn't because that's the behavior this people are having, they are acting completely out of control accusing everyone of being someone else even when proof is presented that shows they are wrong in their assumptions they double down and make up stuff about how whatever proof you presented is not enough, that's what a people with schizophrenia would do.

Why are you here though? Are you the owner of that circus of a server that completely borked the balance of the game with custom changes called Oath? If you are you should stop acting like you are perfect because you aren't LMFAO.

It's an open forum. That's why I'm here.

No, I do not own OathRO. I moderate for it voluntarily, but that's all. I moderate the players (and the other staff members so there's no abuse of power), help the players, and make sure the players have their voices heard. Nothing wrong with a server with custom content, by the way. People play on our server and what we advertise is what you get, so I can only assume we have to be doing something right that people like.

I'm not "acting" like I'm anything; I'm just being myself. You're the one behaving like an utter prick by insulting people saying they have mental disabilities and treating them less than human because according to you, they are "biased" even though the grammar nazi in me is upset that you are still using the word incorrectly.

It's pretty messed up and it is no way helping your argument whatsoever. It is only confirming our stances more and certainly doesn't give off the "great community vibe" that I keep hearing about from people that are on Travels. You're giving the server you are trying to defend an extremely bad look right now when it needs all the help it can get. There are so many different ways you could have approached this, and you are going about it in one of the worst ways you possibly can. You downtalk J, but you are literally doing the exact same thing he does to the point that it doesn't even matter if you're a burner account of his or not because you may as well be one anyways.


Why the sudden interest in the server I moderate for, by the way? You're trying to change the topic from J and Travels to myself and OathRO for some reason. I'm not interested in advertising the server I moderate here since it's the incorrect thread and forum for it. We already posted a server ad on the proper RMS forum earlier. We don't need another one. May I ask you to not derail the topic, please? You and J are both being awfully quiet on that picture I posted and I'm still waiting for an answer from you and the guy who's Definitely-Not-J-Wearing-A-Fake-Moustache.

Quote from: Sairek Ceareste on Apr 18, 2022, 02:32 AM

It's an open forum. That's why I'm here.

No, I do not own OathRO. I moderate for it voluntarily, but that's all. I moderate the players (and the other staff members so there's no abuse of power), help the players, and make sure the players have their voices heard. Nothing wrong with a server with custom content, by the way. People play on our server and what we advertise is what you get, so I can only assume we have to be doing something right that people like.

I'm not "acting" like I'm anything; I'm just being myself. You're the one behaving like an utter prick by insulting people saying they have mental disabilities and treating them less than human because according to you, they are "biased" even though the grammar nazi in me is upset that you are still using the word incorrectly.

It's pretty messed up and it is no way helping your argument whatsoever. It is only confirming our stances more and certainly doesn't give off the "great community vibe" that I keep hearing about from people that are on Travels. You're giving the server you are trying to defend an extremely bad look right now when it needs all the help it can get. There are so many different ways you could have approached this, and you are going about it in one of the worst ways you possibly can. You downtalk J, but you are literally doing the exact same thing he does to the point that it doesn't even matter if you're a burner account of his or not because you may as well be one anyways.


Why the sudden interest in the server I moderate for, by the way? You're trying to change the topic from J and Travels to myself and OathRO for some reason. I'm not interested in advertising the server I moderate here since it's the incorrect thread and forum for it. We already posted a server ad on the proper RMS forum earlier. We don't need another one. May I ask you to not derail the topic, please? You and J are both being awfully quiet on that picture I posted and I'm still waiting for an answer from you and the guy who's Definitely-Not-J-Wearing-A-Fake-Moustache.

You sound like one of those that are offended by everything and try to appear as some super virtuous beings when in reality they are the ones doing what they are accusing others of doing, they are textbook examples of hypocrisy.

People come and attack anyone saying something positive about travels and gaslighting others saying we are all J accounts, I showed proof that I am not and wasn't enough, someone else even came multiple times and said that I am not J and this person is not even my friend and this people still insist on their accusations and you don't care, you don't go lecture them about how they are treating us, some dude here has been passively agressively attacking all the players of TravelsRO and making broad generalizations about them. And you also said nothing, it is only when I point out that they are acting like completely insane people or people with a mental disorder that you come in your high horse (more like a pony) and try to act all mighty and virtue signaling, just f*** off hypocrite.

I have been saying multiple times that I don't approve gaming the RMS listing, you people just chose to not read that and pretend I am not addressing it, i did multiple times, i have said also that I don't approve many bans that he did particularly at the end of last year, and i expect he unbans some of those people. And the Reddit stuff i don't care about Reddit, I detest reddit and all mainstream social media anyways and the people that lurk those sites where they are trained to have mob mentality and they believe that truth is a democracy and that the one with more upvotes,likes, hearts etc is right, is an adpopullum fallacy circus.

At the end of the day the only thing I don't approve is trying to game the RMS listing that was dumb, now we are not even on the list (for now) but I also don't believe it is something outrageous as all the deranged people here are trying to pass it as, many servers had or have bad history, it's hypocritical to just expect perfection from one server and pretend this is the only case were something like this has happened.

I don't approve but I also at the same time don't give a f***, it was dumb and stupid.but not something outrageous i won't pretend it is, he was found out and punished, no need to keep going in circles and pretend is the only server that has been deslisted ever.

Quote from: lungo on Apr 18, 2022, 03:09 AM
You sound like one of those that are offended by everything and try to appear as some super virtuous beings when in reality they are the ones doing what they are accusing others of doing, they are textbook examples of hypocrisy.

People come and attack anyone saying something positive about travels and gaslighting others saying we are all J accounts, I showed proof that I am not and wasn't enough, someone else even came multiple times and said that I am not J and this person is not even my friend and this people still insist on their accusations and you don't care, you don't go lecture them about how they are treating us, some dude here has been passively agressively attacking all the players of TravelsRO and making broad generalizations about them. And you also said nothing, it is only when I point out that they are acting like completely insane people or people with a mental disorder that you come in your high horse (more like a pony) and try to act all mighty and virtue signaling, just f*** off hypocrite.

I have been saying multiple times that I don't approve gaming the RMS listing, you people just chose to not read that and pretend I am not addressing it, i did multiple times, i have said also that I don't approve many bans that he did particularly at the end of last year, and i expect he unbans some of those people. And the Reddit stuff i don't care about Reddit, I detest reddit and all mainstream social media anyways and the people that lurk those sites where they are trained to have mob mentality and they believe that truth is a democracy and that the one with more upvotes,likes, hearts etc is right, is an adpopullum fallacy circus.

At the end of the day the only thing I don't approve is trying to game the RMS listing that was dumb, now we are not even on the list (for now) but I also don't believe it is something outrageous as all the deranged people here are trying to pass it as, many servers had or have bad history, it's hypocritical to just expect perfection from one server and pretend this is the only case were something like this has happened.

I don't approve but I also at the same time don't give a f***, it was dumb and stupid.but not something outrageous i won't pretend it is, he was found out and punished, no need to keep going in circles and pretend is the only server that has been deslisted ever.

If you read you will see a number of those that have taken part in this thread has stated that Travels is not the only server to have had drama or 'evil' staff. However you keep trying to play off what was done within the name of travels, blink knight it every turn while trying to fluff your comments. You seem to keep forgetting this thread is about Travels and it's wrong doings, not what every other server has done in the history of RO.  Stop being hypocritical within your own posts while dancing on the line of breaking RMS forum rules hoping to bait the next replier to cross it.

Quote from: Shuchou on Apr 18, 2022, 03:32 AM
If you read you will see a number of those that have taken part in this thread has stated that Travels is not the only server to have had drama or 'evil' staff. However you keep trying to play off what was done within the name of travels, blink knight it every turn while trying to fluff your comments. You seem to keep forgetting this thread is about Travels and it's wrong doings, not what every other server has done in the history of RO.  Stop being hypocritical within your own posts while dancing on the line of breaking RMS forum rules hoping to bait the next replier to cross it.

I am not being hypocritical, I said my honest opinion on the matter and explained multiple times why I have that opinion. I don't know what else to say, it is like you people expect me to quit the server and join the circle jerk about how bad TravelsRO is but I won't and if you don't like that well that's too bad. I honestly don't like the RO community in general, is just way too toxic, i said this before, and since I know I won't find any better anywhere i rather just stay on the server that has a more accurate gameplay experience to the original game regardless of the shortcomings of the administration, I wish J f*** listened for a second but he is way too stubborn, all his ability to put a great server is being shadowed by his incredible ability making enemies by taking dumb desicions, he is right in protecting and policing the server but he tends to protect more his ego than the server and that makes him take dumb desicions, i hope he learns from this experience and I wish he came on his main account and addressed the situation, apologized, make some unbans and move on and the fact that he is not coming to do that leaves a lot to be desired.

What else can I do? Nothing, it's just a game at the end of the day.

If you check lungo's history, he does seem to be a real person, as he started off with a whole tirade and negative reviews against RetRO last year. It also corroborates with neethree's claims as well. I don't think I'm getting Lord J vibes either. He seems more like your average trashtalker to me. The argument in this thread makes me feel like I'm right in the midst of a heated debate right after WoE.

But that said, I don't think the people who continue to argue with him are looking much better either. There came a point a while ago when responding was futile, and now it's just back and forth, countering each statement with what amounts to a "no u", and name calling.

lungo, if you really want to help Ragnarok Travels, why don't you write a review?  There has not been a proper long review on that server in over eight months.  The last review was made before you even registered an account here.

I think the discussion on this thread has run its course. Not saying it should be locked, but I don't think there's anything else worthwhile to say unless more evidence is revealed, or there is a particularly stunning argument to be made. Better to just let it sink to obscurity and eventually leave the front page of RMS.

Quote from: Sairek Ceareste on Apr 17, 2022, 09:50 PMAh right, there's no evidence at all that could possibly prove that there was the use of burner accounts involved in the manipulation of votes that were defending the serv—

Theres no evidence that account has anything to do with the GMs. It's conjecture. There are burner accounts attacking the server here and elsewhere. Like the OP of this thread "Lordy_J" and "Stonerook182". When are you going to talk about that? You are hypocritical with an obvious agenda to attack your competitor server

Quote from: Sairek Ceareste on Apr 17, 2022, 09:50 PMShould the mods do something about you saying to people that they have a literal mental disorder, too?

They should do something about people like you suffering from LJDS and calling everyone Lord J when getting backed into a corner. You call lungo an utter prick but this is childish and how a prick behaves

Quote from: lungo on Apr 18, 2022, 03:09 AMI have been saying multiple times that I don't approve gaming the RMS listing

I think Oath gaming the listing because they got almost as much reviews as Travels in a shorter time. Anyway the idea that Travels gamed the RMS listing hasnt been said by anyone afaik. Based on the reddit thread the banned player said he told RMS he was banned for writing a review and even if thats true why is Retro still listed after they banned lungo for writing a review? And since he copied the GMs name and was guilty of other stuff that shouldn't apply here.

Quote from: InsomniacTV on Apr 18, 2022, 06:18 AMThe idea that Travels gamed the RMS listing hasnt been said by anyone afaik.

A while ago I had done an analysis here (https://forum.ratemyserver.net/general-chit-chat/casual-ragnarok-chat/msg202962/#msg202962). When you weed out the reviews of accounts that were new or didn't just write a review for the one server, the actual results changed.

For instance where Ragnarok Travels was listed as having an overall score of 85/100, when you only count the accounts of established users that are exceedingly unlikely to be bots or shills, the rating of this server dropped to 65/100.

For the two other servers I looked at and did the same thing, Talon RO improved from 84 to 96 and OathRO improved from 94 to 97.

It's a whole can of worms that needed to be looked into, though I suppose with Travels being delisted, it's moot now.

All that means is Travels offended some of the circlejerk/has higher percentage of returnees and new blood which is good. Oath being 94 and 97 for both is much more fishy, or Talon only having 6% reputable

Quote from: InsomniacTV on Apr 18, 2022, 07:08 AM
All that means is Travels offended some of the circlejerk/has higher percentage of returnees and new blood which is good. Oath being 94 and 97 for both is much more fishy, or Talon only having 6% reputable

/heh /heh /heh
well at least theyre not buying upvotes.
funny enough the retRO have lower pops but became active during woe time, similar to OathRO well theyre mostly active during WOE.
unlike [redacted] server which is 1year old doesnt have a good woe pops during woe time. i heard their is only 2 woe guild and 1 got banned. LMAO

Quote from: Inspector Clouseau on Apr 18, 2022, 06:17 AM
If you check lungo's history, he does seem to be a real person, as he started off with a whole tirade and negative reviews against RetRO last year. It also corroborates with neethree's claims as well. I don't think I'm getting Lord J vibes either. He seems more like your average trashtalker to me. The argument in this thread makes me feel like I'm right in the midst of a heated debate right after WoE.

But that said, I don't think the people who continue to argue with him are looking much better either. There came a point a while ago when responding was futile, and now it's just back and forth, countering each statement with what amounts to a "no u", and name calling.

lungo, if you really want to help Ragnarok Travels, why don't you write a review?  There has not been a proper long review on that server in over eight months.  The last review was made before you even registered an account here.

I think the discussion on this thread has run its course. Not saying it should be locked, but I don't think there's anything else worthwhile to say unless more evidence is revealed, or there is a particularly stunning argument to be made. Better to just let it sink to obscurity and eventually leave the front page of RMS.

Actually I wanted to do a good review of Travels since last year but for other unrelated Ragnarok situations didn't had the time and currently I don't feel like doing so, one of the unfair bans was a friend of mine and I just can bring myself to do it unless he is unbanned, the reason of his ban is some people of his guild trash talked the Travels administration and he didn't "scolded" them, I mean he is a guild leader not his nanny and they are adults... I don't think it is fair to treat him as a criminal for that, I have expressed this to J himself but my friend is still banned.
This is why I think J needs to just have a change of heart in how he handles some things, he should be severe when the situation demands it and not for silly stuff like the one I just told you.

Quote from: InsomniacTV on Apr 18, 2022, 06:18 AMTheres no evidence

(https://i.imgur.com/E68vptN.png)

These "people" (Read: You) crying for evidence, despite plenty already being provided (https://www.reddit.com/r/RagnarokOnline/comments/u3bc9w/regarding_a_recent_event/i4r3oy2/), were proven by the Reddit administration to be bought and botted accounts. You can confirm [1] (https://www.reddit.com/user/pushy_anomaly) [2] (https://www.reddit.com/user/Medical-Eye5595) these messages yourself before claiming any of these were cropped out of context, as well as the admin announcement (https://www.reddit.com/r/RagnarokOnline/comments/u3bc9w/regarding_a_recent_event/i4s0tyd/):

(https://i.imgur.com/kZw6Fyl.jpg)

Moreover, it's just... you. The complete lack of supporting arguments in favor of Travels already paints the picture even without me, or anyone else, having to lift a finger. The dirty laundry is in full view for anyone to see, and I encourage anyone still considering this incredibly shady server to read up (https://www.reddit.com/r/RagnarokOnline/comments/u3bc9w/regarding_a_recent_event/i4pu839/) and draw your own informed conclusions.

Quote from: InsomniacTV on Apr 18, 2022, 06:18 AMWhen are you going to talk about that?

Quote from: InsomniacTV on Apr 18, 2022, 06:18 AMsuffering from LJDS

Quote from: InsomniacTV on Apr 18, 2022, 06:18 AMI think Oath gaming the listing because they got almost as much reviews as Travels in a shorter time

Quote from: InsomniacTV on Apr 18, 2022, 06:18 AMwhy is Retro still listed after they banned lungo for writing a review

Look at this garbage. You're literally just attempting to deflect and derail the thread, instead of providing anything even remotely convincing to support your case. Rather, it's just entertaining at this point to see you pulling the same trick time and again. Godspeed, Lord J.

(https://i.imgur.com/dBo4Yc7.jpg)

Quote from: LumpiaWrapper on Apr 18, 2022, 07:52 AM
/heh /heh /heh
well at least theyre not buying upvotes. funny enough the retRO have lower pops but became active during woe time, similar to OathRO well theyre mostly active during WOE.

Yeah they are. By your logic we can easily say Retro and Oath are buying upvotes

Quote from: Stonerook182 on Apr 18, 2022, 01:10 PMThese "people" (Read: You) crying for evidence, despite plenty already being provided

People are asking for evidence because none has been presented. Theres no evidence that says those accounts have anything to do with the GMs. Could've been players, could've been someone who doesn't like the cheater guild, could've been anyone. Could even be yours given that you like to make new accounts, how hard youre trying, and how much time you spend editing text in images [1] (https://forum.ratemyserver.net/rant-and-rave/ragnarok-travels-again/msg203328/#msg203328) [2] (https://forum.ratemyserver.net/rant-and-rave/ragnarok-travels-again/msg203328/#msg203328)

Quote from: Stonerook182 on Apr 18, 2022, 01:10 PMLook at this garbage. You're literally just attempting to deflect and derail the thread, instead of providing anything even remotely convincing to support your case. Rather, it's just entertaining at this point to see you pulling the same trick time and again. Godspeed, Lord J.

You have LJDS. Lord J Derangement Syndrome (LJDS) symptoms include hallucinations and severe butthurt. Your LJDS case is so bad that youre creating multiple fake accounts on an internet forum and seeing things. Me and other Travels players just think people like you are sad.

Simple fact is you are a shady burner account that attempts deflect and derail whenever someone does the simple ask of evidence for your claims. If 'evidence' is the word that upsets you it means you're wrong/pushing an agenda

Quote from: lungo on Apr 18, 2022, 03:09 AM
You sound like one of those that are offended by everything and try to appear as some super virtuous beings when in reality they are the ones doing what they are accusing others of doing, they are textbook examples of hypocrisy.

People come and attack anyone saying something positive about travels and gaslighting others saying we are all J accounts, I showed proof that I am not and wasn't enough, someone else even came multiple times and said that I am not J and this person is not even my friend and this people still insist on their accusations and you don't care, you don't go lecture them about how they are treating us, some dude here has been passively agressively attacking all the players of TravelsRO and making broad generalizations about them. And you also said nothing, it is only when I point out that they are acting like completely insane people or people with a mental disorder that you come in your high horse (more like a pony) and try to act all mighty and virtue signaling, just f*** off hypocrite.

I have been saying multiple times that I don't approve gaming the RMS listing, you people just chose to not read that and pretend I am not addressing it, i did multiple times, i have said also that I don't approve many bans that he did particularly at the end of last year, and i expect he unbans some of those people. And the Reddit stuff i don't care about Reddit, I detest reddit and all mainstream social media anyways and the people that lurk those sites where they are trained to have mob mentality and they believe that truth is a democracy and that the one with more upvotes,likes, hearts etc is right, is an adpopullum fallacy circus.

At the end of the day the only thing I don't approve is trying to game the RMS listing that was dumb, now we are not even on the list (for now) but I also don't believe it is something outrageous as all the deranged people here are trying to pass it as, many servers had or have bad history, it's hypocritical to just expect perfection from one server and pretend this is the only case were something like this has happened.

I don't approve but I also at the same time don't give a f***, it was dumb and stupid.but not something outrageous i won't pretend it is, he was found out and punished, no need to keep going in circles and pretend is the only server that has been deslisted ever.

Basically you have no way to rebuke the evidence nor want to anyway. And you don't like me very much. Okay. Got it. Message received!  /no1

Quote from: InsomniacTV on Apr 18, 2022, 06:18 AM
I think Oath gaming the listing because they got almost as much reviews as Travels in a shorter time.

It's not surprising for a relatively new server that's not "just another vanilla server" to gain popularity and thus, a surge of reviews and players. Getting players for a new server isn't actually that hard when you're a bit different. People jump on to the "latest new thing" whether it be here or another MMORPG entirely. They do it almost all the time if it shows any potential. For us, retaining the reviews over a lengthy period of time is the real challenge in my opinion. People reach end game, start running out of things to do, start suffering burnout, and the "shiny new server" motif begins to fade. It will be quite difficult for a very small staff of volunteers who do the work only out of love for the game like us to maintain. It's easy to get motivated to start something but it requires discipline to keep going.

However, our server is different than yours. Travels is a vanilla server. Oath is a custom one with lots of tiny balance changes and tweaks with custom dungeons and quests aimed to be "vanilla-like". You are comparing apples to oranges here. Both are tasty, but some people prefer apples and some people prefer oranges and then some people like both so they consume both. Given both the age and gameplay difference between the two servers, I don't believe comparing Travels' reviews to OathRO's reviews is a fair comparison at all.

Quote from: InsomniacTV on Apr 18, 2022, 01:46 PM
People are asking for evidence because none has been presented. Theres no evidence that says those accounts have anything to do with the GMs. Could've been players, could've been someone who doesn't like the cheater guild, could've been anyone.

Including J!  /heh

Quote from: InsomniacTV on Apr 18, 2022, 01:46 PMPeople are asking for evidence because none has been presented

You mean besides everything that has already been presented (https://www.reddit.com/r/RagnarokOnline/comments/u3bc9w/regarding_a_recent_event/i4pu839/) that you're obviously choosing to ignore.

Quote from: InsomniacTV on Apr 18, 2022, 01:46 PMcould've been anyone

Yet, the person with the most incentive to do so was conveniently left out of your list, and is still cowardly hiding.

Quote from: InsomniacTV on Apr 18, 2022, 01:46 PMyoure creating multiple fake accounts

We've already been through this (https://forum.ratemyserver.net/rant-and-rave/ragnarok-travels-again/msg203303/#msg203303). You're running out of excuses.

Quote from: InsomniacTV on Apr 18, 2022, 01:46 PMTravels players just think people like you are sad

Another childish attempt at provocation, just like most of your posts.

Quote from: InsomniacTV on Apr 18, 2022, 01:46 PMyou are a shady burner account that attempts deflect and derail

So your best attempt at supporting your claims is... "no u"?  /heh

My word, forget Lord J; if you're the best the Travels community has to offer, then by all means remain quarantined there. You're doing everyone else a favor.

Quote from: Sairek Ceareste on Apr 18, 2022, 02:29 PM

Basically you have no way to rebuke the evidence nor want to anyway. And you don't like me very much. Okay. Got it. Message received!  /no1

Basically I never tried to and you Basically have nothing to refute about what I said because Basically I owned you completely, because Basically I exposed you as the hypocrite you are and Bascially I mayself said that I don't agree 100% on how the TravelsRO administration conducts iself, Basically showing that you people are lying about me and my posture.

Just that BASICALLY.

Quote from: InsomniacTV on Apr 18, 2022, 01:46 PM
Yeah they are. By your logic we can easily say Retro and Oath are buying upvotes

now thats funny, because who want to buy to upvotes and downvotes their post???


oh s*** sorry there's one server who did that.

What I see here is a couple players pushing a witch hunt without proof

Quote from: BaphometRag on Apr 18, 2022, 09:18 PM
What I see here is a couple players pushing a witch hunt without proof

well at least its there's no Cropped screenshot to be used as Evidence AMIRITE?

/heh

I left Ragnarok Travels as well.

The server itself is amazing, finally a low rate server that feels like Ragnarok used to feel back in the old days.
I loved grinding as a 1st class character and the few days I had as 2nd class before I left.

Though the general community itself is super friendly, the server seems to be dictated by toxic people that just muppet the server owners around to their liking.

I got an official warning for "trash talking" ingame on the Discord, no reason or details given, just got that warning out of the blue.
The only situation I can imagine that could have caused that was an encounter in Payon with that guild that has a skull icon. The Alchemist was brewing potions I think, I started a conversation with "I keep losing money on porcellios qq" and got insulted like instantly and my only reply was "well, your hat looks silly", which is when I left. It was such a weird situation, as so far all players I've met very super friendly and helpful and loved to joke around in a friendly manner as well.

That's the only situation I can think of that could remotely let to that official warning for trash talking on Discord.

The warning just was baffling and no further information was given, so I decided to just quit the server. (I didn't receive an answer when I asked what happened for this warning to be issued)


I don't want to be playing with a constant fear of getting banned or punished for nothing just because toxicity dictates there.



Still it's super sad, as there seems to be no other real 1x1x1x low rate classic server that uses the proper iRO skill names and mechanics...

Ive played with multiple new players today who joined because of this thread. 'OrdLordDaddy' is another new burner from the guild that got banned for cheating. His story doesn't even add up

Quote from: InsomniacTV on Apr 19, 2022, 12:43 AM
Ive played with multiple new players today who joined because of this thread. 'OrdLordDaddy' is another new burner from the guild that got banned for cheating. His story doesn't even add up

lmao

No, this is a brand new account from someone who felt sad about no longer playing on a fun server because the server owners literally give you a warning for NOTHING.
I didn't stay to find out how long it would take to suddenly get banned. The day I got that official warning message on Discord was the last day of my login.

Says a lot though, when something so dumbfounded and baffling makes people register on here to tell their story.
And even double as much, if people come here instantly defending while claiming things such as "he's a banned user from the cheating guild".
I never was in a guild, I was just a new, solo player who at least the first few weeks enjoyed the server a lot.


(https://i.imgur.com/6ytRfiu.png)

No answer after 4 days and I left the Discord as well.

Quote from: InsomniacTV on Apr 19, 2022, 12:43 AM
Ive played with multiple new players today who joined because of this thread. 'OrdLordDaddy' is another new burner from the guild that got banned for cheating. His story doesn't even add up

where is your evidence? sounds like your initiating a another witch hunt.

aT LeAsT crOOPPED anOthEr scREEnShoT.
Plzzzzz

Quote from: OrdLordDaddy on Apr 19, 2022, 01:02 AM
lmao

No, this is a brand new account from someone who felt sad about no longer playing on a fun server because the server owners literally give you a warning for NOTHING.
I didn't stay to find out how long it would take to suddenly get banned. The day I got that official warning message on Discord was the last day of my login.

Says a lot though, when something so dumbfounded and baffling makes people register on here to tell their story.´
And even double as much, if people come here instantly defending while claiming things such as "he's a banne duser from the cheating guild".
I never was in a guild, I was just a new, solo player who at least the first few weeks enjoyed the server a lot.


(https://i.imgur.com/6ytRfiu.png)

No answer after 4 days and I left the Discord as well.

oh that's explain why i havent seen you posting on their discord.

Quote from: InsomniacTV on Apr 19, 2022, 12:43 AM
OrdLordDaddy' is another new burner from the guild that got banned for cheating. His story doesn't even add up

(https://pics.me.me/thumb_atleast-you-tried-rondarousey-10329298.png) 

/heh

Quote from: OrdLordDaddy on Apr 19, 2022, 01:02 AM
lmao

No, this is a brand new account from someone who felt sad about no longer playing on a fun server because the server owners literally give you a warning for NOTHING.
I didn't stay to find out how long it would take to suddenly get banned. The day I got that official warning message on Discord was the last day of my login.

Says a lot though, when something so dumbfounded and baffling makes people register on here to tell their story.
And even double as much, if people come here instantly defending while claiming things such as "he's a banned user from the cheating guild".
I never was in a guild, I was just a new, solo player who at least the first few weeks enjoyed the server a lot.


(https://i.imgur.com/6ytRfiu.png)

No answer after 4 days and I left the Discord as well.

Well at least now you have validation on the choice you made. It would have been worse to stick around for longer and for this to happen.

I hope you manage to find a new server that suits what you are looking for.  Unfortunately finding one that actually lasts can be quite difficult for 1x rates.  /sob


The last server I was on, there was two guys who liked to host a low rate (1x) and high rate server (Uh... "lots of numbers"x) and pump & dump them with a heavily monetized cash shop. They'd make a new server, run them for a couple months, then basically hold the server hostage by saying "We need more money or the server will shut down", and then shut them down anyways. They did this multiple times, killing off servers changing names and then making new ones only to rinse and repeat every few months. Might still be doing it, I dunno.

Ironically actually, that was when I almost joined TravelsRO. But to register to Travels at that time, you required a phone number and that was a big no from me. So that server was the one I ended up with. /swt


As much as it sucks and can be annoying to do, it's good to do your due diligence and research the server (if it's been around) or the owner's history if possible for any shadowy shenanigans for any server you may be really interested in joining. It could save you weeks, months, or years of wasted time and/or money. Sometimes new servers may look enticing to join, but it may not actually be a "new" server at all.

well jokes on you guys im still waiting for insomiactv to provide evidence about ordlorddaddy that he is a burner account of that guild who got banned. maybe he got some Cropped screenshot evidence he can show us since were all just salty and im bored.  /pif

Quote from: OrdLordDaddy on Apr 19, 2022, 01:02 AMAnd even double as much, if people come here instantly defending while claiming things such as "he's a banned user from the cheating guild"

He's the only person in this thread still shilling for Travels with absolutely no leg to stand on. Pay him no mind and thanks for adding your experience to the near-endless pile of reports on the staff's questionable behavior.

Since you mentioned Discord, I imagine any talk about being banned from Reddit and delisted from RMS is immediately censored? What happens to the next poor fellow that asks about submitting a review, I wonder.

Quote from: InsomniacTV on Apr 19, 2022, 12:43 AM
Ive played with multiple new players today who joined because of this thread

You bothering to mention this just confirms it never happened. You certainly wish it did, though.

Quote from: InsomniacTV on Apr 19, 2022, 12:43 AM'OrdLordDaddy' is another new burner from the guild that got banned for cheating

Legitimate Travels player comes in to share his story, gets immediately labelled a cheater from some banned guild or another.

Pathetic. You're not even trying to hide your bigotry anymore.

Quote from: Stonerook182 on Apr 19, 2022, 03:23 AM
He's the only person in this thread still shilling for Travels with absolutely no leg to stand on. Pay him no mind and thanks for adding your experience to the near-endless pile of reports on the staff's questionable behavior.

Since you mentioned Discord, I imagine any talk about being banned from Reddit and delisted from RMS is immediately censored? What happens to the next poor fellow that asks about submitting a review, I wonder.

You bothering to mention this just confirms it never happened. You certainly wish it did, though.

Legitimate Travels player comes in to share his story, gets immediately labelled a cheater from some banned guild or another.

Pathetic. You're not even trying to hide your bigotry anymore.

haha now thats funny  /heh

Quote from: LumpiaWrapper on Apr 19, 2022, 03:43 AM
haha now thats funny  /heh

pssst, don't tell them I mispelled OrcLord as OrdLord in my username and now am stuck with that forever  /omg

About time this happened.

This has gone on long enough, OP is long gone and topic isn't going nowhere.  Locked.

Thank you for everyone's contribution, you can go back to your normal life now.