Ragnarok Travels- Again

[lungo]

It's an open forum. That's why I'm here.

No, I do not own OathRO. I moderate for it voluntarily, but that's all. I moderate the players (and the other staff members so there's no abuse of power), help the players, and make sure the players have their voices heard. Nothing wrong with a server with custom content, by the way. People play on our server and what we advertise is what you get, so I can only assume we have to be doing something right that people like.

I'm not "acting" like I'm anything; I'm just being myself. You're the one behaving like an utter prick by insulting people saying they have mental disabilities and treating them less than human because according to you, they are "biased" even though the grammar nazi in me is upset that you are still using the word incorrectly.

It's pretty messed up and it is no way helping your argument whatsoever. It is only confirming our stances more and certainly doesn't give off the "great community vibe" that I keep hearing about from people that are on Travels. You're giving the server you are trying to defend an extremely bad look right now when it needs all the help it can get. There are so many different ways you could have approached this, and you are going about it in one of the worst ways you possibly can. You downtalk J, but you are literally doing the exact same thing he does to the point that it doesn't even matter if you're a burner account of his or not because you may as well be one anyways.


Why the sudden interest in the server I moderate for, by the way? You're trying to change the topic from J and Travels to myself and OathRO for some reason. I'm not interested in advertising the server I moderate here since it's the incorrect thread and forum for it. We already posted a server ad on the proper RMS forum earlier. We don't need another one. May I ask you to not derail the topic, please? You and J are both being awfully quiet on that picture I posted and I'm still waiting for an answer from you and the guy who's Definitely-Not-J-Wearing-A-Fake-Moustache.

You sound like one of those that are offended by everything and try to appear as some super virtuous beings when in reality they are the ones doing what they are accusing others of doing, they are textbook examples of hypocrisy.

People come and attack anyone saying something positive about travels and gaslighting others saying we are all J accounts, I showed proof that I am not and wasn't enough, someone else even came multiple times and said that I am not J and this person is not even my friend and this people still insist on their accusations and you don't care, you don't go lecture them about how they are treating us, some dude here has been passively agressively attacking all the players of TravelsRO and making broad generalizations about them. And you also said nothing, it is only when I point out that they are acting like completely insane people or people with a mental disorder that you come in your high horse (more like a pony) and try to act all mighty and virtue signaling, just f*** off hypocrite.

I have been saying multiple times that I don't approve gaming the RMS listing, you people just chose to not read that and pretend I am not addressing it, i did multiple times, i have said also that I don't approve many bans that he did particularly at the end of last year, and i expect he unbans some of those people. And the Reddit stuff i don't care about Reddit, I detest reddit and all mainstream social media anyways and the people that lurk those sites where they are trained to have mob mentality and they believe that truth is a democracy and that the one with more upvotes,likes, hearts etc is right, is an adpopullum fallacy circus.

At the end of the day the only thing I don't approve is trying to game the RMS listing that was dumb, now we are not even on the list (for now) but I also don't believe it is something outrageous as all the deranged people here are trying to pass it as, many servers had or have bad history, it's hypocritical to just expect perfection from one server and pretend this is the only case were something like this has happened.

I don't approve but I also at the same time don't give a f***, it was dumb and stupid.but not something outrageous i won't pretend it is, he was found out and punished, no need to keep going in circles and pretend is the only server that has been deslisted ever.

[Shuchou]

You sound like one of those that are offended by everything and try to appear as some super virtuous beings when in reality they are the ones doing what they are accusing others of doing, they are textbook examples of hypocrisy.

People come and attack anyone saying something positive about travels and gaslighting others saying we are all J accounts, I showed proof that I am not and wasn't enough, someone else even came multiple times and said that I am not J and this person is not even my friend and this people still insist on their accusations and you don't care, you don't go lecture them about how they are treating us, some dude here has been passively agressively attacking all the players of TravelsRO and making broad generalizations about them. And you also said nothing, it is only when I point out that they are acting like completely insane people or people with a mental disorder that you come in your high horse (more like a pony) and try to act all mighty and virtue signaling, just f*** off hypocrite.

I have been saying multiple times that I don't approve gaming the RMS listing, you people just chose to not read that and pretend I am not addressing it, i did multiple times, i have said also that I don't approve many bans that he did particularly at the end of last year, and i expect he unbans some of those people. And the Reddit stuff i don't care about Reddit, I detest reddit and all mainstream social media anyways and the people that lurk those sites where they are trained to have mob mentality and they believe that truth is a democracy and that the one with more upvotes,likes, hearts etc is right, is an adpopullum fallacy circus.

At the end of the day the only thing I don't approve is trying to game the RMS listing that was dumb, now we are not even on the list (for now) but I also don't believe it is something outrageous as all the deranged people here are trying to pass it as, many servers had or have bad history, it's hypocritical to just expect perfection from one server and pretend this is the only case were something like this has happened.

I don't approve but I also at the same time don't give a f***, it was dumb and stupid.but not something outrageous i won't pretend it is, he was found out and punished, no need to keep going in circles and pretend is the only server that has been deslisted ever.

If you read you will see a number of those that have taken part in this thread has stated that Travels is not the only server to have had drama or 'evil' staff. However you keep trying to play off what was done within the name of travels, blink knight it every turn while trying to fluff your comments. You seem to keep forgetting this thread is about Travels and it's wrong doings, not what every other server has done in the history of RO.  Stop being hypocritical within your own posts while dancing on the line of breaking RMS forum rules hoping to bait the next replier to cross it.

[lungo]

If you read you will see a number of those that have taken part in this thread has stated that Travels is not the only server to have had drama or 'evil' staff. However you keep trying to play off what was done within the name of travels, blink knight it every turn while trying to fluff your comments. You seem to keep forgetting this thread is about Travels and it's wrong doings, not what every other server has done in the history of RO.  Stop being hypocritical within your own posts while dancing on the line of breaking RMS forum rules hoping to bait the next replier to cross it.

I am not being hypocritical, I said my honest opinion on the matter and explained multiple times why I have that opinion. I don't know what else to say, it is like you people expect me to quit the server and join the circle jerk about how bad TravelsRO is but I won't and if you don't like that well that's too bad. I honestly don't like the RO community in general, is just way too toxic, i said this before, and since I know I won't find any better anywhere i rather just stay on the server that has a more accurate gameplay experience to the original game regardless of the shortcomings of the administration, I wish J f*** listened for a second but he is way too stubborn, all his ability to put a great server is being shadowed by his incredible ability making enemies by taking dumb desicions, he is right in protecting and policing the server but he tends to protect more his ego than the server and that makes him take dumb desicions, i hope he learns from this experience and I wish he came on his main account and addressed the situation, apologized, make some unbans and move on and the fact that he is not coming to do that leaves a lot to be desired.

What else can I do? Nothing, it's just a game at the end of the day.

[Inspector Clouseau]

If you check lungo's history, he does seem to be a real person, as he started off with a whole tirade and negative reviews against RetRO last year. It also corroborates with neethree's claims as well. I don't think I'm getting Lord J vibes either. He seems more like your average trashtalker to me. The argument in this thread makes me feel like I'm right in the midst of a heated debate right after WoE.

But that said, I don't think the people who continue to argue with him are looking much better either. There came a point a while ago when responding was futile, and now it's just back and forth, countering each statement with what amounts to a "no u", and name calling.

lungo, if you really want to help Ragnarok Travels, why don't you write a review?  There has not been a proper long review on that server in over eight months.  The last review was made before you even registered an account here.

I think the discussion on this thread has run its course. Not saying it should be locked, but I don't think there's anything else worthwhile to say unless more evidence is revealed, or there is a particularly stunning argument to be made. Better to just let it sink to obscurity and eventually leave the front page of RMS.

[InsomniacTV]

Ah right, there's no evidence at all that could possibly prove that there was the use of burner accounts involved in the manipulation of votes that were defending the serv—

Theres no evidence that account has anything to do with the GMs. It's conjecture. There are burner accounts attacking the server here and elsewhere. Like the OP of this thread "Lordy_J" and "Stonerook182". When are you going to talk about that? You are hypocritical with an obvious agenda to attack your competitor server

Should the mods do something about you saying to people that they have a literal mental disorder, too?

They should do something about people like you suffering from LJDS and calling everyone Lord J when getting backed into a corner. You call lungo an utter prick but this is childish and how a prick behaves

I have been saying multiple times that I don't approve gaming the RMS listing

I think Oath gaming the listing because they got almost as much reviews as Travels in a shorter time. Anyway the idea that Travels gamed the RMS listing hasnt been said by anyone afaik. Based on the reddit thread the banned player said he told RMS he was banned for writing a review and even if thats true why is Retro still listed after they banned lungo for writing a review? And since he copied the GMs name and was guilty of other stuff that shouldn't apply here.

[Inspector Clouseau]

The idea that Travels gamed the RMS listing hasnt been said by anyone afaik.

A while ago I had done an analysis here. When you weed out the reviews of accounts that were new or didn't just write a review for the one server, the actual results changed.

For instance where Ragnarok Travels was listed as having an overall score of 85/100, when you only count the accounts of established users that are exceedingly unlikely to be bots or shills, the rating of this server dropped to 65/100.

For the two other servers I looked at and did the same thing, Talon RO improved from 84 to 96 and OathRO improved from 94 to 97.

It's a whole can of worms that needed to be looked into, though I suppose with Travels being delisted, it's moot now.

[InsomniacTV]

All that means is Travels offended some of the circlejerk/has higher percentage of returnees and new blood which is good. Oath being 94 and 97 for both is much more fishy, or Talon only having 6% reputable

[LumpiaWrapper]

All that means is Travels offended some of the circlejerk/has higher percentage of returnees and new blood which is good. Oath being 94 and 97 for both is much more fishy, or Talon only having 6% reputable

well at least theyre not buying upvotes.
funny enough the retRO have lower pops but became active during woe time, similar to OathRO well theyre mostly active during WOE.
unlike [redacted] server which is 1year old doesnt have a good woe pops during woe time. i heard their is only 2 woe guild and 1 got banned. LMAO

[lungo]

If you check lungo's history, he does seem to be a real person, as he started off with a whole tirade and negative reviews against RetRO last year. It also corroborates with neethree's claims as well. I don't think I'm getting Lord J vibes either. He seems more like your average trashtalker to me. The argument in this thread makes me feel like I'm right in the midst of a heated debate right after WoE.

But that said, I don't think the people who continue to argue with him are looking much better either. There came a point a while ago when responding was futile, and now it's just back and forth, countering each statement with what amounts to a "no u", and name calling.

lungo, if you really want to help Ragnarok Travels, why don't you write a review?  There has not been a proper long review on that server in over eight months.  The last review was made before you even registered an account here.

I think the discussion on this thread has run its course. Not saying it should be locked, but I don't think there's anything else worthwhile to say unless more evidence is revealed, or there is a particularly stunning argument to be made. Better to just let it sink to obscurity and eventually leave the front page of RMS.

Actually I wanted to do a good review of Travels since last year but for other unrelated Ragnarok situations didn't had the time and currently I don't feel like doing so, one of the unfair bans was a friend of mine and I just can bring myself to do it unless he is unbanned, the reason of his ban is some people of his guild trash talked the Travels administration and he didn't "scolded" them, I mean he is a guild leader not his nanny and they are adults... I don't think it is fair to treat him as a criminal for that, I have expressed this to J himself but my friend is still banned.
This is why I think J needs to just have a change of heart in how he handles some things, he should be severe when the situation demands it and not for silly stuff like the one I just told you.

[Stonerook182]

Theres no evidence

These "people" (Read: You) crying for evidence, despite plenty already being provided, were proven by the Reddit administration to be bought and botted accounts. You can confirm [1] [2] these messages yourself before claiming any of these were cropped out of context, as well as the admin announcement:



Moreover, it's just... you. The complete lack of supporting arguments in favor of Travels already paints the picture even without me, or anyone else, having to lift a finger. The dirty laundry is in full view for anyone to see, and I encourage anyone still considering this incredibly shady server to read up and draw your own informed conclusions.

When are you going to talk about that?

suffering from LJDS

I think Oath gaming the listing because they got almost as much reviews as Travels in a shorter time

why is Retro still listed after they banned lungo for writing a review

Look at this garbage. You're literally just attempting to deflect and derail the thread, instead of providing anything even remotely convincing to support your case. Rather, it's just entertaining at this point to see you pulling the same trick time and again. Godspeed, Lord J.

[InsomniacTV]

well at least theyre not buying upvotes. funny enough the retRO have lower pops but became active during woe time, similar to OathRO well theyre mostly active during WOE.

Yeah they are. By your logic we can easily say Retro and Oath are buying upvotes

These "people" (Read: You) crying for evidence, despite plenty already being provided

People are asking for evidence because none has been presented. Theres no evidence that says those accounts have anything to do with the GMs. Could've been players, could've been someone who doesn't like the cheater guild, could've been anyone. Could even be yours given that you like to make new accounts, how hard youre trying, and how much time you spend editing text in images [1] [2]

Look at this garbage. You're literally just attempting to deflect and derail the thread, instead of providing anything even remotely convincing to support your case. Rather, it's just entertaining at this point to see you pulling the same trick time and again. Godspeed, Lord J.

You have LJDS. Lord J Derangement Syndrome (LJDS) symptoms include hallucinations and severe butthurt. Your LJDS case is so bad that youre creating multiple fake accounts on an internet forum and seeing things. Me and other Travels players just think people like you are sad.

Simple fact is you are a shady burner account that attempts deflect and derail whenever someone does the simple ask of evidence for your claims. If 'evidence' is the word that upsets you it means you're wrong/pushing an agenda

[Sairek Ceareste]

You sound like one of those that are offended by everything and try to appear as some super virtuous beings when in reality they are the ones doing what they are accusing others of doing, they are textbook examples of hypocrisy.

People come and attack anyone saying something positive about travels and gaslighting others saying we are all J accounts, I showed proof that I am not and wasn't enough, someone else even came multiple times and said that I am not J and this person is not even my friend and this people still insist on their accusations and you don't care, you don't go lecture them about how they are treating us, some dude here has been passively agressively attacking all the players of TravelsRO and making broad generalizations about them. And you also said nothing, it is only when I point out that they are acting like completely insane people or people with a mental disorder that you come in your high horse (more like a pony) and try to act all mighty and virtue signaling, just f*** off hypocrite.

I have been saying multiple times that I don't approve gaming the RMS listing, you people just chose to not read that and pretend I am not addressing it, i did multiple times, i have said also that I don't approve many bans that he did particularly at the end of last year, and i expect he unbans some of those people. And the Reddit stuff i don't care about Reddit, I detest reddit and all mainstream social media anyways and the people that lurk those sites where they are trained to have mob mentality and they believe that truth is a democracy and that the one with more upvotes,likes, hearts etc is right, is an adpopullum fallacy circus.

At the end of the day the only thing I don't approve is trying to game the RMS listing that was dumb, now we are not even on the list (for now) but I also don't believe it is something outrageous as all the deranged people here are trying to pass it as, many servers had or have bad history, it's hypocritical to just expect perfection from one server and pretend this is the only case were something like this has happened.

I don't approve but I also at the same time don't give a f***, it was dumb and stupid.but not something outrageous i won't pretend it is, he was found out and punished, no need to keep going in circles and pretend is the only server that has been deslisted ever.

Basically you have no way to rebuke the evidence nor want to anyway. And you don't like me very much. Okay. Got it. Message received! 

I think Oath gaming the listing because they got almost as much reviews as Travels in a shorter time.

It's not surprising for a relatively new server that's not "just another vanilla server" to gain popularity and thus, a surge of reviews and players. Getting players for a new server isn't actually that hard when you're a bit different. People jump on to the "latest new thing" whether it be here or another MMORPG entirely. They do it almost all the time if it shows any potential. For us, retaining the reviews over a lengthy period of time is the real challenge in my opinion. People reach end game, start running out of things to do, start suffering burnout, and the "shiny new server" motif begins to fade. It will be quite difficult for a very small staff of volunteers who do the work only out of love for the game like us to maintain. It's easy to get motivated to start something but it requires discipline to keep going.

However, our server is different than yours. Travels is a vanilla server. Oath is a custom one with lots of tiny balance changes and tweaks with custom dungeons and quests aimed to be "vanilla-like". You are comparing apples to oranges here. Both are tasty, but some people prefer apples and some people prefer oranges and then some people like both so they consume both. Given both the age and gameplay difference between the two servers, I don't believe comparing Travels' reviews to OathRO's reviews is a fair comparison at all.

People are asking for evidence because none has been presented. Theres no evidence that says those accounts have anything to do with the GMs. Could've been players, could've been someone who doesn't like the cheater guild, could've been anyone.

Including J! 

[Stonerook182]

People are asking for evidence because none has been presented

You mean besides everything that has already been presented that you're obviously choosing to ignore.

could've been anyone

Yet, the person with the most incentive to do so was conveniently left out of your list, and is still cowardly hiding.

youre creating multiple fake accounts

We've already been through this. You're running out of excuses.

Travels players just think people like you are sad

Another childish attempt at provocation, just like most of your posts.

you are a shady burner account that attempts deflect and derail

So your best attempt at supporting your claims is... "no u"? 

My word, forget Lord J; if you're the best the Travels community has to offer, then by all means remain quarantined there. You're doing everyone else a favor.

[lungo]

Basically you have no way to rebuke the evidence nor want to anyway. And you don't like me very much. Okay. Got it. Message received! 

Basically I never tried to and you Basically have nothing to refute about what I said because Basically I owned you completely, because Basically I exposed you as the hypocrite you are and Bascially I mayself said that I don't agree 100% on how the TravelsRO administration conducts iself, Basically showing that you people are lying about me and my posture.

Just that BASICALLY.

[LumpiaWrapper]

Yeah they are. By your logic we can easily say Retro and Oath are buying upvotes

now thats funny, because who want to buy to upvotes and downvotes their post???


oh s*** sorry there's one server who did that.