Ragnarok Travels- Again

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InsomniacTV

#45
Quote from: Shuchou on Apr 17, 2022, 12:38 AM
Yet travels log in is down 40 players since delisting  /no1
160 at off hours on a sunday morning right now. Total pop might even have gone up. Keep bumping

Quote from: Stonerook182 on Apr 17, 2022, 02:52 AMWhere have I seen this before?
If youve seen it before it's because you have it. Lord J Derangement Syndrome (LJDS) was started by someone on the RMS discord to mock people like you.

Symptons include hallucinations and severe butthurt

Quote from: Stonerook182 on Apr 17, 2022, 02:52 AMYou should, however, be remembered as someone who lied, manipulated and somehow managed to sink your server harder and more spectacularly than any other, in the shortest amount of time. If this thread brings even the tiniest bit of awareness to your players, it's already a victory for the community as a whole.
You have LJDS. Youre so thoroughly triggered about one person to the point that youre creating multiple fake accounts on an internet forum. Me and other Travels players just think people like you are sad. No one will remember you but if they did they would feel sorry. Whatever Lord J does at this point he wins and you lose. Even if he closed the server tomorrow he made a profit from it all while youre so butthurt that you need a psychologist.

Travels isnt going anywhere though afaik I doubt they rely on rms. Tough luck?

Quote from: Stonerook182 on Apr 17, 2022, 02:52 AMFlawless logic there, truly. I'm not the one that needs to prove something. Wishing for something does not make it so. You cannot possibly be this dense, or so I choose to believe. Thinking that anyone calling out your lies is doing so simply to "attack server competition"
Says the brand new burner account. And that's what he was doing its immature to see server staff act that way and push misleading statements without evidence.

Quote from: Sairek Ceareste on Apr 17, 2022, 01:28 AMA bit strange to call me upset and biased still when I'm not the one who
You're biased. You're also upset because I went through your misleading claims and pointed out your obvious agenda being a Travels competitor. Quit being immature and do your job better, and then maybe you wont feel the need to spread lies about server competitors? Being such a petulant child reflects both poorly on you and your server. What a strange strategy. To think that youre staff is just lol

Stonerook182

Quote from: InsomniacTV on Apr 17, 2022, 03:53 AMIf youve seen it before it's because you have it. Lord J Derangement Syndrome (LJDS)
Quote from: InsomniacTV on Apr 17, 2022, 03:53 AMbutthurt
Quote from: InsomniacTV on Apr 17, 2022, 03:53 AMLOL

Great, I'm arguing with a literal child.

Quote from: InsomniacTV on Apr 17, 2022, 03:53 AMWhatever Lord J does at this point he wins and you lose. Even if he closed the server tomorrow he made a profit from it all

That's a damning and extremely concerning comment. Imagine reading this and thinking this is a good place to invest your time in.

Quote from: InsomniacTV on Apr 17, 2022, 03:53 AMyoure creating multiple fake accounts

No, I only have this account, something any administrator can verify with IP logging.

The one proven to buy "multiple fake accounts" and waste money manipulating votes is you. Once again projecting and accusing others of what you yourself are doing.

Quote from: InsomniacTV on Apr 17, 2022, 03:53 AMTravels isnt going anywhere though afaik I doubt they rely on rms

Obviously. Why else would he fake so many reviews to the point of being delisted.

lungo

Quote from: dahman on Apr 16, 2022, 10:48 PM
the ppls who will defend travels to their blood (and lordj) will still play keep on playing there.
and thats actually good
imagine travels shutting down and lordj and his folks join YOUR server under a diffrent name...
do u rly want that?
see.
so lets all enjoy the game and keep on playin

The fact that you keep attacking a whole community unpunished shows a lot about the BIAS that goes on against this server. I't is fine to dislike a server but you are going out of your way to attack the players, players that you don't know personally and you make a caricature of them and speak offensivelly about them, if anyone is safe is the Travels community of people like you.

lungo

Quote from: Stonerook182 on Apr 17, 2022, 02:52 AM
Where have I seen this before? [1] [2] [3] [4]



Oh right, it's just another burner account you created to shill for yourself. This may also come as a surprise, but you're not nearly as relevant in this planet to have a medical condition named after you.

You should, however, be remembered as someone who lied, manipulated and somehow managed to sink your server harder and more spectacularly than any other, in the shortest amount of time. If this thread brings even the tiniest bit of awareness to your players, it's already a victory for the community as a whole.



Why didn't you showed the screenshot that I posted precisely debunking your claims that I am J myself, showing exactly that you have LordJ Derange Syndrome?, I can do another one:


Sairek Ceareste

Quote from: InsomniacTV on Apr 17, 2022, 03:53 AM
You're biased. You're also upset because I went through your misleading claims and pointed out your obvious agenda being a Travels competitor. Quit being immature and do your job better, and then maybe you wont feel the need to spread lies about server competitors? Being such a petulant child reflects both poorly on you and your server. What a strange strategy. To think that youre staff is just lol

I would expect someone who spoofs their player numbers, makes false reviews, buys reddit accounts and buys votes to manipulate a narrative would at least understand what "misleading" actually is. All I've done is referenced what happened the past week.

Also, here is the definition of Bias; "prejudice in favor of or against one thing, person, or group compared with another, usually in a way considered to be unfair."

Observing the evidence of both current and past events and coming to one's own conclusion doesn't make someone biased about something. An example of bias would be if I was hosting a competition, and a friend of mine joined it. Regardless of how well the other contestants did and how horrible my friend did, I voted my friend as the winner because I wanted him to win in the first place.
The evidence based on the patterns of the manipulation which we know happened, and the motive behind it, is that you, J, did this. That's not anyone's opinion, it's a fact. So I cannot be biased by just coming to my opinion solely on the evidence:

https://www.reddit.com/r/RagnarokOnline/comments/u3bc9w/regarding_a_recent_event/i4s0tyd/


You say I am biased because I am not agreeing with you despite the evidence but that's silly. Show us some genuine, actual, non-doctored proof that this wasn't you somehow, and my opinion and viewpoints may change. You could maybe start by ceasing the use of sock puppet accounts and actually make a proper statement on your real one instead of a bunch of nobody's people don't know coming to your defence.
No cropped screenshots of conversations so people take them out of context or any of that manipulative bollocks. As I said in the reddit thread which you spent $ to downvote my post — twice, so I know you read it: People being truthful and forthcoming are transparent because they should have nothing to hide. That is not the modus operandi you have been following at all.



As for me, I don't go around lurking in other people's Discord trying to dig up FUD on players to ban them with. Players on the server are welcome to say whatever they want about me in their own private Discords. That's their space away from the server and I have absolutely no right to moderate it. I'm not narcissistic enough to believe that everyone has to like me.

Nova

Quote from: lungo on Apr 17, 2022, 10:49 AM
Why didn't you showed the screenshot that I posted precisely debunking your claims that I am J myself, showing exactly that you have LordJ Derange Syndrome?, I can do another one:



LJ can spend $300 on a single reddit thread to lie and deceive, but he can't spend 2 minutes to create a character on his own server to use in a screenshot in the RMS forums to again lie and deceive apparently!
I am not associated with NovaRO.

Stonerook182

Quote from: lungo on Apr 17, 2022, 10:49 AMI can do another one

So you're just admitting to being behind one of the few accounts spreading misinformation and spinning a false narrative. You've ensured nothing you pollute this thread with carries any weight.

Posting a random screenshot of you playing proves... absolutely nothing? You make it seem as if creating game accounts for a server administrator wasn't absolutely trivial. This doesn't "debunk" anything, as much as you wish it did; and for someone with a precedent of faking reviews, manipulating votes, buying throwaway accounts and forging fake Discord conversations, you'll need something a bit more convincing.

But perhaps take a moment to realize that, even if you somehow prove being a player - it doesn't make any difference. The server's reputation is still up in flames, you're already banned and delisted, the staff is still nowhere to be found, and the only ones still defending this circus performance are fanatics with a sunk-cost fallacy - namely the owner himself.

lungo

Quote from: Nova on Apr 17, 2022, 12:09 PM
LJ can spend $300 on a single reddit thread to lie and deceive, but he can't spend 2 minutes to create a character on his own server to use in a screenshot in the RMS forums to again lie and deceive apparently!

Quote from: Stonerook182 on Apr 17, 2022, 12:20 PM
So you're just admitting to being behind one of the few accounts spreading misinformation and spinning a false narrative. You've ensured nothing you pollute this thread with carries any weight.

Posting a random screenshot of you playing proves... absolutely nothing? You make it seem as if creating game accounts for a server administrator wasn't absolutely trivial. This doesn't "debunk" anything, as much as you wish it did; and for someone with a precedent of faking reviews, manipulating votes, buying throwaway accounts and forging fake Discord conversations, you'll need something a bit more convincing.

But perhaps take a moment to realize that, even if you somehow prove being a player - it doesn't make any difference. The server's reputation is still up in flames, you're already banned and delisted, the staff is still nowhere to be found, and the only ones still defending this circus performance are fanatics with a sunk-cost fallacy - namely the owner himself.

This is litterally a mental disorder. Next time you would ask me to give you a DNA sample and that would be not enough.

Nova

That's what happens when people get exposed as shameless serial liars. You lose all respect and nobody will believe anything you say anymore. He can only blame himself for this.
I am not associated with NovaRO.

Stonerook182

Quote from: lungo on Apr 17, 2022, 12:44 PMThis is litterally a mental disorder

No, this is called critical thinking. Look it up sometime; you sound like you need to.

Quote from: lungo on Apr 17, 2022, 12:44 PMNext time you would ask me to give you a DNA sample and that would be not enough

Unfortunately for you, the Travels staff has proven time and again there is no low they won't to sink to. Nothing you do will one-up the lengths they've already gone to lie, deceive and manipulate.

Nothing short of a direct statement from them will possibly change anything, but that's obviously too high an expectation - and quite frankly would just incriminate them further, given how laughably incompetent they've demonstrated themselves to be at managing a business, let alone handling this incident.

neethree

Quote from: Nova on Apr 17, 2022, 12:09 PM
LJ can spend $300 on a single reddit thread to lie and deceive, but he can't spend 2 minutes to create a character on his own server to use in a screenshot in the RMS forums to again lie and deceive apparently!
Ironically lungo is the only poster in this thread that is decidedly not J, lol. He's been around a while before Travels.
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Inspector Clouseau

#56
Quote from: lungo on Apr 17, 2022, 10:49 AM
Why didn't you showed the screenshot that I posted precisely debunking your claims that I am J myself, showing exactly that you have LordJ Derange Syndrome?, I can do another one:



If you don't mind my asking, why was this screenshot cropped?

I suppose it doesn't make much difference anyway, seeing as others have pointed out, a server admin can easily create an account and a character on their own server and produce such a screenshot.

It really would take a lot more, much more, to even come close to proving you are a real player on Travels.  But even then.. well, your opinions that Travels was being treated unfairly are just delusional.

Quote from: neethree on Apr 17, 2022, 01:55 PM
Ironically lungo is the only poster in this thread that is decidedly not J, lol. He's been around a while before Travels.

I think you may be right, actually.  lungo is free to enjoy the server he plays on and even promote it.  But he still won't be convincing anyone that what happened to Ragnarok Travels was unfair.

lungo

Quote from: Stonerook182 on Apr 17, 2022, 01:24 PM
No, this is called critical thinking. Look it up sometime; you sound like you need to.



No, critical thinkers wouldn't be acussing everyone they don't like their opinions about a server of being the administrator of said server even after given some proof that they are not, that is what a deranged person would do.

lungo

Quote from: Inspector Clouseau on Apr 17, 2022, 01:58 PM
If you don't mind my asking, why was this screenshot cropped?

I suppose it doesn't make much difference anyway, seeing as others have pointed out, a server admin can easily create an account and a character on their own server and produce such a screenshot.

It really would take a lot more, much more, to even come close to proving you are a real player on Travels.  But even then.. well, your opinions that Travels was being treated unfairly are just delusional.

I think you may be right, actually.  lungo is free to enjoy the server he plays on and even promote it.  But he still won't be convincing anyone that what happened to Ragnarok Travels was unfair.

It is cropped to make the relevant stuff more noticeable: the server name and the message.

Next time you will ask why I am on that map, or why my cursor is on certain position and demand more and more and nothing will satisfy you people because this is a mental disorder, ouright paranoid schizophrenia.


Shuchou

Quote from: neethree on Apr 17, 2022, 01:55 PM
Ironically lungo is the only poster in this thread that is decidedly not J, lol. He's been around a while before Travels.

Travels was listed on RMS a year before Lungo's account was made.
Travels Date Posted: 2020-09-20
Lungo joined date: Sep 14, 2021