Ragnarok Travels- Again

[sheik92]

Man, what a sh!tshow.

[InsomniacTV]

What about the guild's burner accounts?

Yea there was 3 or 4 of them in that thread. You are strangely very silent about that

The OP of the original thread came out and posted with his normal account after his identity got doxxed by the bad acting burner accounts, which showed it is someone at Travels who is involved one way or another as those screenshots is evidence that a normal player should not have

Nope. We are a tight community and everyone knew who it was, and the mole in their guild was probably sending these screens to multiple people.

The OP meanwhile, when asked to provide full conversations for context behind the screen shots when they did came out, actually did. Better yet, he did so on a desktop version of Discord by the way -- with video. The version of Discord used is important, because with the browser version of Discord, anyone can edit the code of the page within the browser

That doesnt mean they didnt cheat and it doesnt clear them for insulting the staff. I suspected that one was cheating from in-game so I wouldnt be surprised if it was confirmed for some of them before they were banned. And thats not true can still do that on the desktop discord.

The other side has been extremely reluctant to show anything but cropped screenshots for any proof at all

Once again the evidence came from the guild itself afaik. They ratted on themselves. "the other side" didnt crop them and thats not an excuse because theres no context where saying that kind of stuff about the staff is okay.

They manipulated Reddit's voting system

No there was some on both sides and theres no evidence or proof that the staff was involved in any of it. Could've been players, could've been someone who doesn't like them, could've been anyone. That's your conjecture.

You make so many flawed points every time you post about this and come across as pushing a biased agenda against your server competitor.

[Sairek Ceareste]

Yea there was 3 or 4 of them in that thread. You are strangely very silent about that
Nope. We are a tight community and everyone knew who it was, and the mole in their guild was probably sending these screens to multiple people.
That doesnt mean they didnt cheat and it doesnt clear them for insulting the staff. I suspected that one was cheating so I wouldnt be surprised if it was confirmed for some of them before they were banned. And thats not true can still do that on the desktop discord so that doesnt mean the banned guild didnt edit anything and given their behavior and agenda...
Once again the evidence came from the guild itself afaik. They ratted on themselves. "the other side" didnt crop them and thats not an excuse because theres no context where saying that kind of stuff about the staff is okay.
No there was some on both sides and theres no evidence or proof that the staff was involved in any of it. Could've been players, could've been an old enemy of them, could've been a 3rd party server, could've been anyone. That's your conjecture.

You make so many flawed points every time you post about this come across biased.

 

You make so many flawed points every time you post about this come across biased.

 
 

I don't think you realize how asinine, hypocritical and incredibly obvious you are being right now.
Just like you can't throw hundreds of dollars into bought reddit accounts and vote manipulation to change the reality of a situation, you can't just toss the word "bias" around over and over again as an argument, pretending it means something that it doesn't. That's not how language works. You may try to manipulate the narrative, but believe me, you aren't going to win trying to manipulate the freakin' dictionary.


I did mention the guild's burner accounts by the way and all that, but there's no point in continuing to refute the points anyways. I know it's you. It's the same everything and I'm not the only one who sees it. The point of my post was to show the reality of the situation anyway. With the facts that people can go and see for themselves if they need further proof and inviting them to do so should they be so-inclined to collaborate what I said and see for themselves. But yeah, sure. Let people draw their own conclusions; but I'd bet another -25 reddit downvotes that you'll start improperly claiming "bias" again as soon as they pick a side and it wasn't the side you wanted them to pick.


I'm going to get back to work. We got more refugees today that came from your 'tight-nit community' and I want them to feel welcome, respected and valued as they should be and to get them back up on their feet again. I encourage other servers that have been getting people from this drama to do the same as well. That includes your server, as well. Stop causing more damage and fix your server. You owe that much at least to your players who are braver souls than I would be.

[MaybeImWrong]

Do you think people playing free servers have the time or a broken brain to spend 100s on burner accounts? O_o

[Inspector Clouseau]

Another misleading statement is that anyone got their privacy breached when it was a person in their own guild who reported the cheating talk and the insults themselves afaik. The banned guild itself admitted they had a mole and that mole couldve given them to any number of people.

I agree, there was indeed a mole in their guild.  That mole was none other than Lord J, himself.

[Stonerook182]

You make so many flawed points every time you post about this and come across as pushing a biased agenda against your server competitor.

Shouldn't you be busy looking after your server, Lord J? A brief look at your post history shows nothing but shilling for Travels and discrediting other servers. You are, quite literally, just projecting and are unable (or perhaps unwilling) to realize no mere "player" would do what you're doing. It's painfully obvious and you're not fooling anyone.

After manipulating votes and reviews on both Reddit and this site, getting delisted, wasting hundreds of dollars on throwaway accounts, using player's private conversations as "evidence" and STILL not coming forward with an official statement - you continue to defend this server?

Yeah, it's pretty clear who has a biased agenda here, and it's nobody besides you.

[lungo]

It was only blatant because of... people's biases?



Two bought reddit accounts which we know for a fact were accounts purchased, nearly a thousand votes manipulated in packages of 25 each (with a few being 50), "evidence" posted on these accounts were discrediting a guild with carefully cropped screen shots from their own private discord to remove context and doctoring false screenshots for evidence to support their false narrative. More so, these accounts only knew things that only the staff at the server should know.

I don't need to be 'biased' to tell you that everything that has happened is not okay no matter what environment it happens in -- Ragnarok private server or not. Yeah I'm sure other servers exist that do their own shady stuff. To use that to ignore what happened this week though is clear-cut "whataboutism".

People's privacy was horrendously breached and someone tried to start a witch hunt on them. They tried so hard to fulfill this that they were willing to conjure up false evidence and spend hundreds of dollars in an attempt to do so and to try and save face when exposed.


That is not okay. It's not even about "the server" or Ragnarok itself at that point and I hope everyone can at least come to an agreement with that. But if staff is truly involved, then that makes the server more than a "bad" server -- it makes it dangerous to be on.

Stop putting words in my mouth making strawmans about what I said.

I said I don't agree or condone what happened, I just said that with people watching the server move 24/7 it was meant to happen, there was no way this wasn't going to pass unoticed and if we watched all the servers 24/7 we would find that many do the same of worse, I'm just saying stop acting as if this were the worst thing that you saw happening in the RO community because it is not even close, even if the admin were as dumb to try to cheat the RMS system (there is no evidence shown of this, the only evidence shown is about reddit) the server itself it is still good as I explained but yeah I wish the administration of TravelsRO LISTENED and had some change of heart in some matters because J does a good job in many cases but he just does a terrible job in other instances and he needs to admit that.

[Nova]

At least we are making progress. If by any chance the guy above me (I know who you are on discord as well) is not Lord J, which is possible, then progress has been made for sure. He said LJ did something wrong! That's the first step towards enlightenment.

[lungo]

At least we are making progress. If by any chance the guy above me (I know who you are on discord as well) is not Lord J, which is possible, then progress has been made for sure. He said LJ did something wrong! That's the first step towards enlightenment.

No Im not J but if you are the owner of the Nova server you should shut your mouth pretending you are this inocent angelical being that does no wrong because we can probably go and do a quick search about people complaining about your p2w server or you and find tons of dirt.

Ok, i read your profile and you apparently are not associated with NovaRO, so, yeah I'm not J and yeah the Travels admin is not perfect and he needs to stop pretending he has done nothing wrong, his server per se is good but he needs work in how to deal with certain situations, he acts well in many scenarios but on the same degree he goes and does very questionable bans.

[dahman]

the ppls who will defend travels to their blood (and lordj) will still play keep on playing there.
and thats actually good
imagine travels shutting down and lordj and his folks join YOUR server under a diffrent name...
do u rly want that?
see.
so lets all enjoy the game and keep on playin

[InsomniacTV]

Shouldn't you be busy looking after your server

If you think everyone is Lord J or that no one can play Travels you have Lord J Derangement Syndrome lol. Symptoms include hallucinations and burns. And a brief look at your post history shows you dont have any because you're a new alt account, just like the one that made this thread, so no one should pay attention to you

I don't think you realize how asinine, hypocritical

You get upset when your bias pointed out because it's true. I dont think you realize incredibly flimsy and obvious your agenda is which is to attack your server competition. Going to get back to playing with the new players sent from this thread by your bumps

[Shuchou]

Going to get back to playing with the new players sent from this thread by your bumps

Yet travels log in is down 40 players since delisting 

[Sairek Ceareste]

You get upset when your bias pointed out because it's true. I dont think you realize incredibly flimsy and obvious your agenda is which is to attack your server competition. Going to get back to playing with the new players sent from this thread by your bumps

A bit strange to call me upset and biased still when I'm not the one who tossed hundreds of dollars away on reddit votes and burner accounts to try and spearhead a false story using fake evidence. And attacking how? By telling you to get off your high horse and to actually do your role as an admin and not be a petulant child by not dragging your server's reputation through the mud? What a strange strategy.

I don't care about attacking the server at all. Attacking the server competition does no good in my opinion. Besides, even if that was my goal, you're doing a fantastic job at doing that without my help anyway, so why would I want you to stop being a buffoon in that case? Even more so, I literally have no motive to do so. My server doesn't accept donations and has no cash shop. I volunteer my time for free. More players actually means more work for me to do. You lurk on my server's Discord, so you already know this.

Having more competition creates a healthy environment where servers must try to best another and that's usually good for players. Everybody wins in that scenario. Nobody wins in this one. But some definitely lose much harder than others.


If you spent as much time and money actually working on the server as you do lying, buying reddit votes and burner accounts and creating false narratives, then there wouldn't be a need to pretend the server is in a better state than what it is in the first place.

[Inspector Clouseau]

Imagine walking into a department store concealing your face completely, carrying a big bag, and wearing a big coat with lots of pockets. You look around suspiciously like you're up to something, are evasive when employees come over to help you, and as you walk through the store, the bulges in your clothes keep getting bigger and bigger.

Is it any surprise that all this suspicious behavior would draw attention and cause more and more eyes to focus on you? And it is any surprise that you get caught red-handed as you continue shoplifting, even as you know you are being closely watched? Apparently some people find it astonishing, as they would call such a thief being apprehended injustice and hypocrisy.

So when you eventually stand before a judge, do you really think the argument that there are other shoplifters out there and that the only reason you were caught was due to unfair - dare I say - even "biased" scrutiny? No, of course not. You would have the book thrown at you.

It would be a completely different story and a valid complaint if one server was getting away with a lot of obvious cheating and no one was doing a thing about it - only for a small and innocent server to be punished severely for one small and insignificant infraction. But quite the opposite happened. Ragnarok Travels abused many voting systems and used many different alt accounts to improve their image, to the point where there were too many red flags and there was much suspicion.

The many instances of cheating and dishonesty caused suspicion. The suspicion eventually led to the cheaters being caught. There is nothing more to this tale of the depraved attempting to masquerade as victims.

[Stonerook182]

If you think everyone is Lord J or that no one can play Travels you have Lord J Derangement Syndrome lol.

Where have I seen this before? [1] [2] [3] [4]



Oh right, it's just another burner account you created to shill for yourself. This may also come as a surprise, but you're not nearly as relevant in this planet to have a medical condition named after you.

You should, however, be remembered as someone who lied, manipulated and somehow managed to sink your server harder and more spectacularly than any other, in the shortest amount of time. If this thread brings even the tiniest bit of awareness to your players, it's already a victory for the community as a whole.

And a brief look at your post history shows you dont have any because you're a new alt account, just like the one that made this thread, so no one should pay attention to you

Flawless logic there, truly. I'm not the one that needs to prove something, you are. Or will you continue using definitely-not-you "players" to defend your server like cultist zealots on your behalf? Shouldn't you stand up for your "friendly and beloved" community instead of hiding behind them?

Your last Discord message was checks notes almost 10 days ago, before this circus you set up for yourself. You were quite active up until that point; surely you could take a few minutes of your time to address this debacle now that you don't have to spend hours forging fake reviews and buying Reddit downvotes?

You get upset when your bias pointed out because it's true. I dont think you realize incredibly flimsy and obvious your agenda is which is to attack your server competition. Going to get back to playing with the new players sent from this thread by your bumps

Wishing for something does not make it so. You cannot possibly be this dense, or so I choose to believe. Thinking that anyone calling out your lies is doing so simply to "attack server competition" is not only obvious paranoia, but it also shows how incredibly short-sighted you are.

You can believe this thread is damaging whatever is left of your credibility, more than it's helping you.