Ragnarok Travels- Again

[dahman]

heads up folks, there are alot other good classic servers worth to play.

[Inspector Clouseau]

As a wise man once said, "You can fool all the people some of the time and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time."

[Phillistia]

What a sh*tshow server 
Almost everytime I opened RMS there is always a problematic thread about this particular server.
I wonder why people keep playing in this server

[Herpderp]

Banned from the Ragnarok reddit as well. The first server to ever get a complete ban, congrats! 

Update:


Apparently LordJ's response to getting banned for sockpuppet spam and vote manipulation, was to do more sockpuppet spam and vote manipulation. What a brilliant plan for damage control. 

[InsomniacTV]

I wonder why people keep playing in this server

It's a good server. If enough cheaters complain they can get anything in trouble though

[Neffletics]

This server does censorship, spying, and chat monitoring. Freedom of expression is not "welcome" there.

I'm not sure if this is permitted, but there is another server that is very similar to the official server. It's called KokoRO. The community is friendly, and the founder/developer is mature and capable. You guys should check that out.


Staff Edit: Leave countries / politics out of discussion, thanks.

[lungo]

There is many people playing the server, there is no reason for players to quit the server at all, the server can be relisted at RMS at some point and if it isn't then who cares, many servers still live while not being here like that Kokoro server just mentioned.

The people that are happy about whatever happened to TravelsRO are people that have beef with the owners of the server for banning them and the mayority of them did something they shouldn't, now there is a lot of hipocrisy going on: apparently every server and the RMS people can do any ruling they want and administer their server or website on any way they please... But not the TravelsRO administration, it's a double standard that comes from heavy bias against the server for one reason or another, like i said, mostly people that are mad they could not get their way on the server and they got banned.

Now, this whole botting thing and bought reddit accounts while I don't approve it (if it happened), I'm pretty sure a lot of servers have done this in the past or are actively doing it but they are not caught because not many people are watching them 24/7 like it happened on TravelsRO, so once again there is a double standard here being applied and a lot of hypocrisy.

The server per se it is still good and the best classic x1 server out there, it is not an emulator and the mechanics are accurate, this is ragnarok classic like it should be, the server is no compromised by any exploit, bug abuse or something similar because J actually cares about the integrity of the server, guilds don't get special treatment here and overall there is no privileges, the server desicions are not made by the top guild like in all the servers out there, you will not feel like a second class citizen here, this is the main reason why a lot of people are but hurt about the server, their mob mentality doesn't fly there, you can not just use your numbers to bully J to get your way, you can not use numbers to shame him into submission, and for this people that is outrageous, all their lives they have been getting their way and suddenly it doesn't work they make a tantrum.

Once again: the server is still good regardless of what happened, no reason to quit.

[neethree]

Funny how a server with the goto response for criticism being "they're lying because they're a cheater/botter/slanderer" got delisted from RMS and banned from reddit for vote-botting. Pot calling the kettle black, eh?

[Inspector Clouseau]

It seems that even after this debacle and exposure for wrongdoing, the preaching of the sock puppets still persists. The same claims that only cheaters are wrongly attacking the server, and the emphasis on how "accurate" the mechanics are read like right off of the server's website. The ruse is so obvious, it's baffling why they still keep trying.

Now, this whole botting thing and bought reddit accounts while I don't approve it (if it happened), I'm pretty sure a lot of servers have done this in the past or are actively doing it but they are not caught because not many people are watching them 24/7 like it happened on TravelsRO, so once again there is a double standard here being applied and a lot of hypocrisy.

I will point out that psychology studies show that people who engage in unethical behavior are prone to thinking the same practice is more prevalent among more people. In other words, if you believe many other people cheat, chances are you cheat yourself. Not only are you making false assumptions that other servers manipulate their votes, but then you complain of hypocrisy based on these assumptions alone.

It might be the case that some other servers have tampered with their ratings, though which ones and to what extent, no one can say. What everyone can generally agree with, however, is that the instances where this occurred with Ragnarok Travels were blatantly obvious and tiring.

[lungo]

It seems that even after this debacle and exposure for wrongdoing, the preaching of the sock puppets still persists. The same claims that only cheaters are wrongly attacking the server, and the emphasis on how "accurate" the mechanics are read like right off of the server's website. The ruse is so obvious, it's baffling why they still keep trying.

I will point out that psychology studies show that people who engage in unethical behavior are prone to thinking the same practice is more prevalent among more people. In other words, if you believe many other people cheat, chances are you cheat yourself. Not only are you making false assumptions that other servers manipulate their votes, but then you complain of hypocrisy based on these assumptions alone.

It might be the case that some other servers have tampered with their ratings, though which ones and to what extent, no one can say. What everyone can generally agree with, however, is that the instances where this occurred with Ragnarok Travels were blatantly obvious and tiring.

On the same sentence you say I am wrong and then that I am right.

I am not a cheater and before saying what I said i clearle stated: "Now, this whole botting thing and bought reddit accounts while I don't approve it (if it happened)..."

The only reason you believe Travels was more "blatant" is because it had a heavy BIAS againt it, too many eyes were watching their every move so I believe if we checked all the servers with the same scrutiny we would find many that have done the same.

[Sairek Ceareste]

On the same sentence you say I am wrong and then that I am right.

I am not a cheater and before saying what I said i clearle stated: "Now, this whole botting thing and bought reddit accounts while I don't approve it (if it happened)..."

The only reason you believe Travels was more "blatant" is because it had a heavy BIAS againt it, too many eyes were watching their every move so I believe if we checked all the servers with the same scrutiny we would find many that have done the same.

It was only blatant because of... people's biases?



Two bought reddit accounts which we know for a fact were accounts purchased, nearly a thousand votes manipulated in packages of 25 each (with a few being 50), "evidence" posted on these accounts were discrediting a guild with carefully cropped screen shots from their own private discord to remove context and doctoring false screenshots for evidence to support their false narrative. More so, these accounts only knew things that only the staff at the server should know.

I don't need to be 'biased' to tell you that everything that has happened is not okay no matter what environment it happens in -- Ragnarok private server or not. Yeah I'm sure other servers exist that do their own shady stuff. To use that to ignore what happened this week though is clear-cut "whataboutism".

People's privacy was horrendously breached and someone tried to start a witch hunt on them. They tried so hard to fulfill this that they were willing to conjure up false evidence and spend hundreds of dollars in an attempt to do so and to try and save face when exposed.


That is not okay. It's not even about "the server" or Ragnarok itself at that point and I hope everyone can at least come to an agreement with that. But if staff is truly involved, then that makes the server more than a "bad" server -- it makes it dangerous to be on.

[Shuchou]

Those of us that have been trying to warn others about the truth for the last year will live rent free for life in the hearts of Lord J 

[InsomniacTV]

It was only blatant because of... people's biases?



Two bought reddit accounts which we know for a fact were accounts purchased, nearly a thousand votes manipulated in packages of 25 each (with a few being 50), "evidence" posted on these accounts were discrediting a guild with carefully cropped screen shots from their own private discord to remove context and doctoring false screenshots for evidence to support their false narrative. More so, these accounts only knew things that only the staff at the server should know.

What about the burner accounts the guild that got banned for cheating used? And no one knows who manipulated votes and even if they were (in either direction) theres no evidence that the staff was involved at all. Thats your conjecture. And the accounts youre talking about havent posted screenshots so thats a lie the only screenshots I saw were from the thread exposing the guild.

Another misleading statement is that anyone got their privacy breached when it was a person in their own guild who reported the cheating talk and the insults themselves afaik. The banned guild itself admitted they had a mole and that mole couldve given them to any number of people. Basically you are peddling a bunch of misleading statements to push a biased agenda because its your server competition

Those of us that have been trying to warn others about the truth for the last year will live rent free for life in the hearts of Lord J 

I mean given that youre still talking about him and he doesnt know who you are sounds like he's rent free in your head

PS Travels isnt going anywhere? There are servers with 1000s of players not on rms. Im on and its normal business here

[Shuchou]

What about the burner accounts the guild that got banned for cheating used? And no one knows who manipulated votes and even if they were (in either direction) theres no evidence that the staff was involved at all. Thats your conjecture. And the accounts youre talking about havent posted screenshots so thats a lie the only screenshots I saw were from the thread exposing the guild.

Another misleading statement is that anyone got their privacy breached when it was a person in their own guild who reported the cheating talk and the insults themselves afaik. The banned guild itself admitted they had a mole and that mole couldve given them to any number of people. Basically you are peddling a bunch of misleading statements to push a biased agenda because its your server competition
I mean given that youre still talking about him and he doesnt know who you are sounds like he's rent free in your head

PS Travels isnt going anywhere? There are servers with 1000s of players not on rms. Im on and its normal business here

If by misleading you mean how discord comments were cut out and singly posted out of context as 'proof' that any cheating was done. Yet the guild in question posted the FULL convo screen shots that displays the comment about using a VPN was made AFTER Lord J went on about how the guild would start getting banned for someone asking questions. Its on reddit for everyone to see, so please keep lying.

Plus how would you know who Lord J does and doesn't know, Oh right you're his alt account like everyone that's been defending travels to date.

[Sairek Ceareste]

What about the burner accounts the guild that got banned for cheating used? And no one knows who manipulated votes and even if they were (in either direction) theres no evidence that the staff was involved at all. Thats your conjecture. And the accounts youre talking about havent posted screenshots so thats a lie the only screenshots I saw were from the thread exposing the guild.

Another misleading statement is that anyone got their privacy breached when it was a person in their own guild who reported the cheating talk and the insults themselves afaik. The banned guild itself admitted they had a mole and that mole couldve given them to any number of people. Basically you are peddling a bunch of misleading statements to push a biased agenda because its your server competition
I mean given that youre still talking about him and he doesnt know who you are sounds like he's rent free in your head

PS Travels isnt going anywhere? There are servers with 1000s of players not on rms. Im on and its normal business here

What about the guild's burner accounts? The OP of the original thread came out and posted with his normal account after his identity got doxxed by the bad acting burner accounts, which showed it is someone at Travels who is involved one way or another as those screenshots is evidence that a normal player should not have. It isn't speculation that someone within Travels is involved at that point. OP's guild also wasn't the one buying a ridiculous amount of votes, while the people posting the supposed "cheating evidence" did, which kind of makes it even harder to take the cheating allegations as gospel when they have to miscontextualize the screen shots and manipulate the voting system in an attempt to seem more legitimate, doesn't it?

The OP meanwhile, when asked to provide full conversations for context behind the screen shots when they did came out, actually did. Better yet, he did so on a desktop version of Discord by the way -- with video. And he showed the deletion logs for the server as well to show that nothing had been deleted to manipulate the context of the conversations to boot.
The version of Discord used is important, because with the browser version of Discord, anyone can edit the code of the page within the browser itself to make a conversation say or look however they want it to, then take a screenshot for "evidence". It is extremely easy to do.

The other side has been extremely reluctant to show anything but cropped screenshots for any proof at all, which if the proof was legitimate, would take just a couple minutes to do and should be extremely easy to provide if legitimate.

So... What did they do instead?

They manipulated Reddit's voting system and breach the site's ToS by buying upvotes for themselves and downvotes against the guild and anyone supporting them to try and make their shoddy evidence be more appealing (including a random throwaway account that claimed to be in the guild yet did absolutely nothing to prove it) whilst manipulating the narrative, then later on bought burner accounts to continue to try and push the narrative that the guild is the one in the wrong.
Let me put it simply and clearly:
Absolutely NO ONE who is telling the truth should have any reason to dox people's privacy, crop messages to mis contextualize them, manipulate Reddit's vote system, or buy burner accounts.

All of this totalled hundreds of dollars spent in an attempt to create a false narrative which no random Joe has any motivation to do, especially with the type of posts they were targeting which showed they had a clear motivation and that motivation wasn't to try and trash the server's rep by doing some 500 IQ reverse psychology tactic.
The fact you'd rather side with the ones who went that far in an attempt to falsely manipulate the story rather than the side that provided evidence hasn't done any of the BS manipulation tacts I stated above and has been quite forthcoming when asked to provide proof, whilst you claim simultaneously that "you can't prove the server is involved" when they're the one who provided the cropped screenshots in the first place to somebody and are touting as 'the truth' behind the "cheating scandal" is incredibly telling on where you already stand on this matter and why. I'm sure people can put two-and-two together by themselves.

As they say; actions speak louder than words.