NovaRO The Great Pretender - Warning to EVERYONE

[TreasureEyeland]

Hey Truthbeentold,

Brother, pls don't mock Arias, he is very relevant guy, you know. You know, he is so relevant, I actually heard he also called his mother "irrelevant"!.

There's also rumors of him saying that his first words when he came out of the womb at birth is "ir-re-le-vant"! Wowww! But right now, I'm afraid the only words he likes to say is "Irrelevant, Snake, Saldar, Cheating, Tokei, and Dog", being that they represent his Relevancy's main traits.

Oh and his Relevancy will also tell you you are "irrelevant", I'm sorry for that. But I'm sure you already knew that, didn't you? /wink

That's just his way of reaffirming himself. Please try to understand.

But brother, you are relevant to us.

P.S. He will say we're irrelevant again, but well, refer to above.

[TreasureEyeland]

Yup and my point still stands nobody knows you, and hiding behind a random Name to shout insults wont change that, and nobody cares about it. Therefore..hey.. You are still irrelevant  just as I told you you are so, what's your point? 

Oh but we do care. That's why so many "irrelevants" have seen this thread and replied.

...So Your Relevancy,

So what's your point anyway? You never mentioned a point other than we are irrelevant and saying nothing will change that. Niceeee... I guess this is how relevant people work.

That's why GM Tokei also hasn't replied right? He regards everyone else as "irrelevant" like you right and so he likes to always cheat people out of their fair values.

Okay, we'll keep that in mind. We will try to promote the server then of its "relevancy".

Your irrelevant follower here,
AriasIsMostRelevantGuy609

[Donuts]

So you keep on bumping your thread with unnecessary posts since it's dying huh?

From what I can see, this thread is now more on people harassing the top team's players than actually putting input regarding the event.
I doubt that people would react this way if the top team's players were different.

It's sad that lots of people have misconceptions about certain players, GMs, and guilds.

Just because of this, everything about the server became negative to you.
NovaRO must be your life for you to cause too much drama because of something so little.

Stop being salty. It clearly shows you are.

[TreasureEyeland]

Oh I'm sorry Mr. Donut, but I'm just a pleb guy here who's trying to voice out his concerns. You are probably part of the "Relevant gang" so I'll do the honors of replying to your statement point-per-point.

1) "So you keep on bumping your thread with unnecessary posts since its dying huh?"

Its dying? Erm, you know, The last reply was 3 seconds ago. It was your reply. Also, the issues aforementioned at the opening post are still running because no one from the other side has clearly put up a logical response to the arguments presented therein. Can you name one?

This site is nice enough to cater to Plebs like me who can't voice out their concerns because threads are locked by some GMs. Now would you still take that away from us?

2) "This thread is now more on people harassing the top team's players than actually putting input regarding the event."

Oh? And who was it that kept calling people "irrelevants" and "snakes"? You know, I actually admitted to being an irrelevant and pleb.

Oh, and I actually put few INPUT actually, you can see it at the opening post. You know, when I put my opening post at Word, it was short. Only 5 pages. The logical replies here to this issue by the other party/ies? Not even one sentence. Oh yeah, the insults they gave, like yours, was already 2 pages worth.

3) "I doubt that people would react this way if the top team's players were different."

Yeah, I also think that too. That's because no one else calls everyone an "irrelevant", no other team also has a GM that masquerades as a player, then shuns said practice at the AMA, and so on. Also, they don't have a GM named Tokei that will bend the rules for them. So yeah, I agree with you here.

4) "Just because of this, everything about the server became negative to you."

Yes, that's because one thing like this (that you are belittling) and the GMs cannot fix it properly. How else can we trust them of other things in the future, and bigger ones at that? And they're even being elitist about it.

5) "Stop being salty. It clearly shows you are."

Salty? Lol. You know, aside from "irrelevant", that's the favorite word of people who have run out of logic to argue against. You are salty also over my post, aren't you? Now I plead with you Mr. Donut: can you enlighten us by responding with relevant logic to any one of the arguments made by us at the opening post?

Enjoy your relevant night sir.

[eatingmypopcorn]

@Truthbeentold

I agree with you on every point related to the deeps event. However I think you are pointing the fingers to the wrong people. All the  unpleasant experiences that you are facing right now, I think they are just the symptoms of a bigger problem.

I had some really unpleasant problems lately on novaro ( not related to deeps event). Throughout my incidence, I fund that Tokei turns out to be the only GM who genuinely capable  of and willing to think objectively and understand complex problems that a normal player may have. He is also generous to offer time and efforts to help. In contrast, I felt that many other GMs  tend to adjudge things very quickly with very strong preconceptions. They don't really understand the essence of the problem and carry out actions based on the easiness, reputation and saving face. You know, gives those moments that make you think why am I even wasting my time speaking with these ducks.

If you look the all the bad reviews on RMS, Nova almost attacks back to all of them, regardless what the problems are. Discords and forums are heavily regulated by Nova and his boy scouts. If you try to raise different voices, you will get attacked, mocked or deleted. Nova and the team are also super sensitive to criticisms and dramas. They often use drastically measures to prevent short term damage to his reputation, rather than try to get through the mist  and locate the real problems of angry complains, think long term and really put efforts to fix things. 

I enjoy the good content that novaro offers so much, I really do. That is the reason I still play here on nova after I got so disappointed by the gms. welp I am just another ordinarily and irrelevant player. But it is the normal players that make up the majority, not the the PRIVILEGED FEW.  I do hope for the best of novaro, and wish someday the environment can get better.

ps: OP, you bought up many good points, and I think its better for you to just ignore people like arias. people dont really care about him TBO. Speak of him only makes it harder to see your point.

PPS: NOVARO, TIME TO TAKE SOME PR COURSES

[Nithraniel]

It's impressive how much time you spend making these replies, with tons of HTML tags and paragraph spacing, instead of using that energy elsewhere  .
Take a few minutes to reread every post you've made, now let's set a situation, let's say you were right. Do you believe throwing so much hate at the staff, the players who disagree with you, and the server altogether, is going to help at all ? Excuse me but you just seem like the typical anonymous#43453265 who's having fun behind his computer trashing people because it's his fun time of the day, without giving a single care about how the people feel behind. Surely you do feel anger from how the event ended, it's your point of view, but I don't believe insulting every single person on this topic that does not agree with you is going to make it better, especially if you consider everybody that disagrees with you as someone corrupted who's tied to the GMs.
This topic in the end is mostly full of toxicity because of the players who weren't happy with the event and who were searching for a place to complain and try to kill the popularity of NovaRO. Let's not forget that there's like less than 20 persons on this topic, it doesn't represent the actual global opinion of the players on the server, which I believe, mostly found the event pretty nice, and who voiced their opinion whether it was good or bad while still being socially acceptable, which is not the case here.

Again, if you truly believe things have to change, this is truly not the right way to do it.

[TreasureEyeland]

It's impressive how much time you spend making these replies, with tons of HTML tags and paragraph spacing, instead of using that energy elsewhere  .
Take a few minutes to reread every post you've made, now let's set a situation, let's say you were right. Do you believe throwing so much hate at the staff, the players who disagree with you, and the server altogether, is going to help at all ? Excuse me but you just seem like the typical anonymous#43453265 who's having fun behind his computer trashing people because it's his fun time of the day, without giving a single care about how the people feel behind. Surely you do feel anger from how the event ended, it's your point of view, but I don't believe insulting every single person on this topic that does not agree with you is going to make it better, especially if you consider everybody that disagrees with you as someone corrupted who's tied to the GMs.
This topic in the end is mostly full of toxicity because of the players who weren't happy with the event and who were searching for a place to complain and try to kill the popularity of NovaRO. Let's not forget that there's like less than 20 persons on this topic, it doesn't represent the actual global opinion of the players on the server, which I believe, mostly found the event pretty nice, and who voiced their opinion whether it was good or bad while still being socially acceptable, which is not the case here.

Again, if you truly believe things have to change, this is truly not the right way to do it.

Thanks man for appreciating the effort of a Plebian like me. You are the first one to actually throw a thought-out comment here.

But I have to disagree with you on a few points.

First of all, my aim is NOT to spread hate but TO BE HEARD and given regard the things I brought up at my post. And seeing as no one in the "relevant party" has made any response that will satisfy even the slightest of issues I raised, this thread still continues. I don't even hear a truly genuine apology from anyone (including that non-apology that labeled us as "cheaters" by this GM Tokei).

Also, apart from my opening post (which I will apologize for name-calling, I truly am sorry), the ones who have only hated are the one(s) calling everyone an "irrelevant", "snake", "salty" and other things you can look for in other posts in this site. As I said, I even admitted to being an "irrelevant".

And again you are right, this post will not represent the opinion of the global server, and that has never been any goal of mine because that's simply unrealistic. But to be heard by other people, that's enough for now.

Do you still like to play competitively or non-competitively in a server that will bend the rules for the parties it favors, to your detriment? Do you think the people who play this server will like that if that happens to them? I surely don't want them to suffer the way that we did. They're better off elsewhere if this is gonna continue. And mind you, it has continued for years already - reason why people are leaving. Not for these types of posts or even trollish rants, but for genuinely viable reasons which this post is reminding everyone about. No amount of new content or giving away of NP or whatever is gonna replace lost of trust brought about by ignorance, irresponsibility, and disregard for respect for other players, especially "irrelevant" ones like me. The GMs are satisfying the mass players with their paltry gifts but are denying some people basic decency. Do you want that type of governance? Imagine yourself in our situation. Now tell me, does that sound like discrimination to you or not?

Oh I truly believe things have to change sir. But how do we voice out our concerns when our GMs actually deletes posts from "irrelevants" like us, no matter how decently worded those were and block our modes and channels of replying?

Your comment sir is appreciated. I'm still awaiting other legitimate replies like yours.

I appreciate this site for giving plebs like me an opportunity to be heard. Your generosity is appreciated RMS.

[TreasureEyeland]

@Truthbeentold

I agree with you on every point related to the deeps event. However I think you are pointing the fingers to the wrong people. All the  unpleasant experiences that you are facing right now, I think they are just the symptoms of a bigger problem.

I had some really unpleasant problems lately on novaro ( not related to deeps event). Throughout my incidence, I fund that Tokei turns out to be the only GM who genuinely capable  of and willing to think objectively and understand complex problems that a normal player may have. He is also generous to offer time and efforts to help. In contrast, I felt that many other GMs  tend to adjudge things very quickly with very strong preconceptions. They don't really understand the essence of the problem and carry out actions based on the easiness, reputation and saving face. You know, gives those moments that make you think why am I even wasting my time speaking with these ducks.

If you look the all the bad reviews on RMS, Nova almost attacks back to all of them, regardless what the problems are. Discords and forums are heavily regulated by Nova and his boy scouts. If you try to raise different voices, you will get attacked, mocked or deleted. Nova and the team are also super sensitive to criticisms and dramas. They often use drastically measures to prevent short term damage to his reputation, rather than try to get through the mist  and locate the real problems of angry complains, think long term and really put efforts to fix things. 

I enjoy the good content that novaro offers so much, I really do. That is the reason I still play here on nova after I got so disappointed by the gms. welp I am just another ordinarily and irrelevant player. But it is the normal players that make up the majority, not the the PRIVILEGED FEW.  I do hope for the best of novaro, and wish someday the environment can get better.

ps: OP, you bought up many good points, and I think its better for you to just ignore people like arias. people dont really care about him TBO. Speak of him only makes it harder to see your point.

PPS: NOVARO, TIME TO TAKE SOME PR COURSES

Brother, agreed and thanks for your post.

You brought many good legit points, and I agree +10000 with many things you said.

I will, however, just like to point a few things out.

First of all, Tokei has more or less abandoned "irrelevant" players here clearly for satisfying other parties' interests. And this has almost always been the case when those parties are involved.

Tokei may be "the only GM who is genuinely capable of and willing to think objectively and understand complex problems that a normal player may have," as you say, but he almost always NEVER chooses to do this when those other parties are involved.

You need not look far to see the evidence for this.

The fact that people like "Your Relevancy" here has been empowered for ~4 years now and has not had any long-term repercussions to his behavior is irrefutable evidence for Tokei's long-going contemptible bias. And he's even proud that he is his friend. Hahaha. You know what they say: tell me who your friends are and I will tell you who you are.

Your Relevancy, as you say, is better ignored because quite frankly he does not bring anything to the table. But there is some merit to replying to people like Your Relevancy, Innomite, and Mr. Donut, because they represent quite frankly a humongous problem that has become the elephant in the room that many do not notice: Nova's elitism and ignorance of the masses. This may appear to be ironic, probably because of how they deviously market this server, but as long as people like these have enablers like Tokei and the other GM team, things will not become good for this server.

Cheap parlor tricks like giving paltry gifts don't and won't cut it out and won't compensate for the toxic culture that comes with every bad decision that empowers these people.

Someone must resign here.

[xeyleon]

there wouldn't be a novaro without tokei. although its a team effort, he's the mastermind behind much of its success. he knows his stuff.
perhaps the team has become a little complacent. so what.
a few recent mistakes/mishandlings out of the entire stream of content that has been output during the course of novaro's existence isn't necessary indicative of some encroaching demise or state of decay.
get over it. nobody is resigning. especially not tokei, and certainly not nova.
if u just wanna  be heard, or attempt to incite some sort of an uprising, so be it. but nothing's going to change in that regard.
if it's no longer ur cup of tea, there's plenty of other tea to try.

[Thanos Friend of Thor]

SOMEONE HAS TO RESIGN HERE.

Are you talking about some players? Because all the drama that exists from this event was created by them and their use of exploits.

What I really hated was GM Hector's incentive to pay to those bug abusers to get the rewards from the event. A few group of players abused exploits to become rich as hell without any effort while others play the game legit, report everything, and get a "GG WP s u c k e r".

The server is great and what Nova and his team bring to the RO Community is amazing but some players try really hard to ruin the fun.

[yC]

Locking this topic from people trying to add new drama into it, create your own topic if you have anything else to add.