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While it is not illegal to want to evenly match those who are trolling you it still is rather inappropriate to:
1) Try to get other people to play another server when you are a GM.  Even if you say you are "not trying to recruit you for another server".
2) Respond to such trolls in such a manner (will only cause them to get worse)
3) Ragequit soon afterwards.



Other brilliance I'd like to point out from this server:
+ Players duping mi gaos, GMs too lazy (or retarded) to comment a line from their mobskilldb to avoid such duping, instead just throw people in 24 hour bans every time they caught someone doing it.
+ Server going down for a month over guild bank zeny duping when the admin thought it was because of an outdated SVN, when its simply THE DAMN NPC.  Brings server back up weeks later to realize people are still doing it.  Duh.
+ Implementing a quest for Nydhogg, players taking advantage of the mvp not having its mobs (for -days-) and then banning one player over it.  They ended up unbanning him realizing it was their damn mistake for not CHECKING THE MVP BEFORE ADDING THE QUEST.
+ Admin has been gone for a WEEK+ now with no word.


TL;DR:  Server is simply ATM machine for admin.  Staff doesn't know squat about eA or how to run a server.  It sure is one big stinkin' hole...

Nano

LOL his trolling skill is higher than yours for sure man, that GM just owned you in every possible manner in a single post haha.

Eshua

How you could not see that GM Valk is the worst possible admin since Itakou is hard to believe. Anyone with a brain should know that was a bad server.

Also, you got called out on bs and now qqraging here, awesome.

Looks like that GM decided to deal with more fun s*** than morons like you. Oop

Yuni

#3
Quote from: Eshua on May 17, 2011, 08:31 PM
How you could not see that GM Valk is the worst possible admin since Itakou is hard to believe. Anyone with a brain should know that was a bad server.

Also, you got called out on bs and now qqraging here, awesome.

Looks like that GM decided to deal with more fun s*** than morons like you. Oop

+1, you da best mang.

warning: I talk a lot. :C

@Nano
I know right, and I don't even think of myself as a troll... I think I am highly civilized and polite, as long as the people I am dealing with aren't fail 5 year old troll babies.
oop. Also for the record, I'm a chick :-*

Anyways, @topic starter;

TL;DR
- I'm a nice person and can be "professional" as a GM, but treat me like that after giving "professional" and logical explanations, I'm going to stuff your s*** back into your mouth. oop, I'm being too mean here... ohwell. :3
- The GMs tried their best. Tenshi (Sphere), Celesta and I did all that we can. Problem was that our boss was never there.

Anyways, long version that doesn't make me sound as mean as above^.
1) What is wrong for asking for a GvG? It's kind of like an inter server (betweeen a certain guild from dRO & my guild) and I quit the server that say day, a few hours later. The only thing wrong with it would be not accepting, as someone mentioned on dRO forums. I blocked my in game GM account since leaving it unbanned would be silly if I were to leave the job, and then deleting my forum account after posting a good bye message for the other GMs and doing some last minute modings (dwai, I no ban anyone during that time, that's just being a d*** and we all know being a d*** is our wonderful friend Laffe's job). Anyways...

2) What you to failed to realize is that responses made towards trolls (who fail at trolling may I say!) before were "professional," whatever that means, up until the point when I realize that arguing with 5 year old troll babies on a dead/dying server* (will get into this later!) isn't worth my time. Sometimes when little fail troll babies won't stop b1tching about how something so small is "op" and along with dumb players that can't read:
this,
this,
this,
or this post, I don't mind trolling a tad bit. Quote from here!

Quoteedit: anyways, whatever. I'm done posting here, Laffe, feel free to cry more.
I know how to act professional (I don't troll players and I'm nice to people I know/don't know, check out my review thread somewhere there on dRO forums. I'm a nice GM, but if I'm being pushed around like sh!t, hellllllll no am I just going to stand there and give you professionalism), but when someone is acting like a 5 year old fail troll baby on forums, on main, & anywhere else they can find, I know that I can, and will sound like a total biyach in response, as stated before. People are treated the way they act- act like this, and I will be a harsh b!tch towards him or her.

If you don't follow, basically a group of players were qqing over a 12% DH MDEF + 2 custom effect of a hat because it was  "op." Read the above links for more details, but if you don't want to, I can sum it up in a few points:
- only a few classes would benefit and it would be minimum. You will still die to AD, you will still die to Asura.
- the hat was from a low drop rate event for 0.1% -> 0.01% on a map with PVP on, hat being unrefinable and account bound.
- Long range > DH, with many points explained of this concept in the links above.
- etc.

It may seem like I ragequitted over lolsoOPfrogkinghat, but if you think more about it, it's more like I quit because babysitting wasn't part of my job. GMs need to be professional, but when it seems like talking politely to players while giving in dept explanations that do not contain any trolling whatsoever, I don't feel bad acting in the manner I did.

3) Ragequitting? FFFFFFFF, & here I thought I left a server in a fancier way this time...
anyways, let me explain. Though contrarily to popular belief, Laffe didn't directly make me ragequit the server as mentioned above. Like I said somewhere on forums (and here above briefly) along with the fact that the server in which we are speaking of contains fail players that never stfu (I am not calling the entire server idiots, I'm just saying that the idiots there don't shut up even when given troll-free evidence of why they are overacting), it's dRO run by our lovely admin [GM] Valkyrie. I'm pretty sure everyone has heard of him at some point- in all servers I've played, at least some big guild has come from dRO (quote from a player I met on dRO "Destina is like the high school slut. Everyone has done her at least once at some point."). From what I heard, as I didn't play or GM on v1, dRO was run by HAL900(0?) & Tenshi. The first, I never got to met, and the second I've worked for. I can honestly say that Tenshi is a great co-admin for Valkyrie, but you need to keep in mind that she does not have all the powers Valky has (he is server owner, she is a helper admin towards him). She can get s*** done, she knows what she's doing, and most importantly, she actually logs in game, while as Valky... MIA 90% of the time, the other 10% when he's there he is explaining why he was MIA for so long, or he is AFK. Don't get me wrong, Valkyrie is a nice guy and all but I don't believe he is cut off to runnnng a server. oop, I said it. I mean, even my fellow GMs and friends Lysander and Aurora (Aluaness <- yeah I could never spelled that, and Ashilynn from LRO who are lol "on break/retirement," yeah no they were fired for b1tching about incompetent people... but that's another story for another time!), resigned from dRO because they thought Valkyrie was a POS.

Anyways, more about me & answers to the complains without numbers. I think I tried my best on dRO- I was hired to do events (emphasis on EVENTS, because I have experience with them) along with the other things that come with GMing (bot hunting, watching WoE, community moderating, etc.), so don't blame me if I couldn't fix bugs or anything. I could do simple scripting- I made the script for the color fberet quests players wanted but left parts blank because the custom color ones weren't in our item_db, planned many many events, & I reported everything players told me in game though- if you can see dRO staff room, you can see how much effort I put into this volunteer job. 691 points & having the most time online =/= I spend there saying hi to every player, I actually do s***.

Regarding the "failness of our server"
- Mi gao duping - I followed Valkyrie's rules. He was not answering when I asked for a harsher punishment so that went down the toilet... note that Sphere removed the duping ~2 hours after I got the report. She does things, so get yo facts straight and don't be hatin` on all of the GMs there.
- Server down? Please speak to Valkyrie. I had no GM powers whatsoever then, and like I said I don't do that stuff.
- I would say, read forums again but the topic started of the ban appeal deleted the topic. :C ; anyways, not our fault that the shadow's didn't spawn. Only "custom" part of Nid was the quest itself, not the mob. There are much more important things having the admins do a check every single fricken MVP.
- Admin gone? Valky? yeah, I already said what I thought about him in this post, read above.

I realize I talk a lot, I'll give you lazy people a tl;dr, up near the top. >_>

Anyways, whatever. I got a good laugh from this, thanks.

Torrent

#4
Let me first start out with this:  I did not single just you out, Yumi.  I am talking to the whole staff and community of Destina, simply using your "ragequit" as an example of why this place is garbage.  Your post doesn't help you or the server much, but thank you for the information.

A lot of the time when I say 'you' or 'them' in this following post I am referring to the staff in general.

Quote
Also, you got called out on bs and now qqraging here, awesome.

I am not raging, I am simply sharing information regarding this server and their irresponsible GMs.  tbh, I have not played this version of Destina long, but as Yuni has said:
Quote"Destina is like the high school slut. Everyone has done her at least once at some point."

Like I said, I am a bystander just appalled by the out-there "tactics" of a GM and the overall low quality staff (ESPECIALLY THE ADMIN, DEAR GOD) and community in general enough to want to share it with RMS.  I do not WoE.  I do not PvP.  I could care less for hats.


QuoteI quit because babysitting wasn't part of my job
I am sorry to say but as a GM it IS part of your job to babysit and watch over players.  As much as perhaps its not outwardly said, it is STILL part of any GMs, moderator, or Admin's job.  You are part of staff and therefore held in some sort of higher esteem as the normal player or member of the community.  This means you have to put up with people's s***, as much as you don't like, because that IS your job, whether you like it or not.  And if you don't - crying over it doesn't help - just don't take part of a server staff.  And because you are held higher on the totem pole in the community this means you need to act like it as well.  No trolling, no whining about your job and no letting your anger out like -that-.  It is -sad- when GMs nowadays refuse to act like professionals because it's "not part of your job".  Then you should be fired or quit.

It's easy enough to just forget it.  Don't let it get to you.  Hand out bans if you have to, that is what they are for.  Warnings.  Reply to them with copy pasta I JUST TOLD YOU THIS s*** is easy enough and don't let it get to you.  It's their fault for being retarded, not yours, and you shouldn't let it bother you so much.  Riling up a community to drama heights should be bannable IMO, and it was on the server's forums.  It would have easily enough to hit the ban button for a week to make them cool off and rethink themselves.

QuoteI would say, read forums again but the topic started of the ban appeal deleted the topic. :C ; anyways, not our fault that the shadow's didn't spawn. Only "custom" part of Nid was the quest itself, not the mob. There are much more important things having the admins do a check every single fricken MVP.
So let me get this straight...no one ran through that quest to make sure there were no bugs?  Sure, it'll load into the server fine and the debug is all shiney and sparkly and not showing any bugs, but THERE STILL ARE POSSIBILITIES OF HUGE donkey BUGS AND ANY SCRIPTER SHOULD KNOW THIS.  Even IF you are just grabbing it from the eA forums from a trusted source, not all scripts load on every server the same and you SHOULD run yourself through it to double check.  If you did this, you would have noticed the MvP missing its mobs.  
And relying on eA on new content to be correct?  You're kidding me...right?  Especially since it's rather obvious that Valkyrie simply copy pasted the old destina server and wiped it for the new Destina.  He may have threw the new mobdb in there, but that's probably the extent of what he did.


Quote- The GMs tried their best. Tenshi (Sphere), Celesta and I did all that we can. Problem was that our boss was never there.
He's never there, and he doesn't know squat.  The fact about the guild banker npc is a example of that.  If you don't know how to run eA, what the f*** are you doing being an admin?  Just sucking what little energy from what players still remain on the private server circuit and overall ruining the community.  

Great job making the private server community look MORE like a s*** Destina.

Yuni

First of all, my name is Yuni, not Yumi. o_O;

I don't think Sphere (Tenshi), Celesta, and I did too many wrongs while we were there doing things. Sure, we made mistakes, but that doesn't out cover the time each of us spend doing things for the server. You make it seem like just because I "ragequitted" that I'm the oh most terribad GM ever, plz fire that b1tch and everything about dRO is s*** (ohwait it might b-). Oh please, cry me a river & reread my post- in case you don't realize, I don't want to help the server out at all (loldestinaWUT)- I am only explaining my actions and describing the experience as GMing on that server. In no way will I attempt to help the server out in anyway since it will die unless Valkyrie gets his s*** together, which will happen when pigs fly. I do not say Destina is best server ever in any part- the only people I am defending are Sphere (Tenshi) and Celesta, my fellow ex-dRO staff members because they actually do their job, but most of it is in vain because Valky isn't there. No main admin/owner = no server. Read carefully and you'll see how much I'm s*** on him.

Also if you are a bystander, I don't understand why you are poking your nose into this. I was informed that players on forums wanted to write up a s*** review for me and the server- they were there to experience it first hand, and the drama is still all there on dRO forums. If they really wanted to s*** on dRO & me, they would have done it themselves without you having to do this. Did I mention yet how I don't think my "tactics" are too out there? o_O

I can't tell if who u s0 mad. Babysitting =/= GMing, if you think otherwise, heck, you can hire anyone that can deal with kids or whatnot. Banning someone for crying like a baby? That's too harsh of a punishment, if I had stayed I would have warned & muted him on forums for a few days, but like I said, GMing =/= babysitting. I could have just rude mouthed the player (you can't deny that trolls are first replied to in a professional manner, but as time passes, admins/GMs get sick of them), and stayed there to handle little fail troll babies, but nah I'd rather play and have fun somewhere else.

I am making the private server community look more like a s*** Destina? Oh please, what are you, the white knight in shining armour to report this? You know, sometimes it's not only the GMs/Admins that are s***, sometimes it's the players themselves that make pServers look so bad.
^ DAYUM, MINDBLOWN.
Also, like I said, before dRO is like that HS slut everyone had done at one point. Most people knows Valk is s***, you don't really need to post anything about it here...

Umpa

Quote from: Yuni on May 18, 2011, 12:08 AM
First of all, my name is Yuni, not Yumi. o_O;

I don't think Sphere (Tenshi), Celesta, and I did too many wrongs while we were there doing things. Sure, we made mistakes, but that doesn't out cover the time each of us spend doing things for the server. You make it seem like just because I "ragequitted" that I'm the oh most terribad GM ever, plz fire that b1tch and everything about dRO is s*** (ohwait it might b-). Oh please, cry me a river & reread my post- in case you don't realize, I don't want to help the server out at all (loldestinaWUT)- I am only explaining my actions and describing the experience as GMing on that server. In no way will I attempt to help the server out in anyway since it will die unless Valkyrie gets his s*** together, which will happen when pigs fly. I do not say Destina is best server ever in any part- the only people I am defending are Sphere (Tenshi) and Celesta, my fellow ex-dRO staff members because they actually do their job, but most of it is in vain because Valky isn't there. No main admin/owner = no server. Read carefully and you'll see how much I'm s*** on him.

Also if you are a bystander, I don't understand why you are poking your nose into this. I was informed that players on forums wanted to write up a s*** review for me and the server- they were there to experience it first hand, and the drama is still all there on dRO forums. If they really wanted to s*** on dRO & me, they would have done it themselves without you having to do this. Did I mention yet how I don't think my "tactics" are too out there? o_O

I can't tell if who u s0 mad. Babysitting =/= GMing, if you think otherwise, heck, you can hire anyone that can deal with kids or whatnot. Banning someone for crying like a baby? That's too harsh of a punishment, if I had stayed I would have warned & muted him on forums for a few days, but like I said, GMing =/= babysitting. I could have just rude mouthed the player (you can't deny that trolls are first replied to in a professional manner, but as time passes, admins/GMs get sick of them), and stayed there to handle little fail troll babies, but nah I'd rather play and have fun somewhere else.

I am making the private server community look more like a s*** Destina? Oh please, what are you, the white knight in shining armour to report this? You know, sometimes it's not only the GMs/Admins that are s***, sometimes it's the players themselves that make pServers look so bad.
^ DAYUM, MINDBLOWN.
Also, like I said, before dRO is like that HS slut everyone had done at one point. Most people knows Valk is s***, you don't really need to post anything about it here...

tl;dr

Get on Yuni's level.

Torrent

#7
Quote from: Yuni on May 18, 2011, 12:08 AM
First of all, my name is Yuni, not Yumi. o_O;

Look up underneath the RMS banner to the text that follows "Hello".  There's an N there.  I was referring to you by the SN here! :C

Well then, simple typo and I can't read, obviously

QuoteBanning someone for crying like a baby?
QuoteIt would have easily enough to hit the ban button for a week to make them cool off and rethink themselves.
A week ban from the forums does not kill anyone, infact I would think it would make most players rethink "trolling".  

QuoteI could have just rude mouthed the player (you can't deny that trolls are first replied to in a professional manner, but as time passes, admins/GMs get sick of them), and stayed there to handle little fail troll babies, but nah I'd rather play and have fun somewhere else.
Then do that.  Just don't be a GM ever again if you don't think you can take "babysitting" players.  If you thought GMing is suppose to be fun because you get sparkly hats and sit around in Prontera talking smack...Yeah, staff positions are not for you.  

QuoteAlso if you are a bystander, I don't understand why you are poking your nose into this.
I have been on the server for a week+ and its has already gotten to me.  I think that should be enough to explain myself.  A -week- and I'm already fed up in what used to be my happy home in V1.
And seeing as this is RMS, I think its the best place to post about this.  

QuoteYou know, sometimes it's not only the GMs/Admins that are s***, sometimes it's the players themselves that make pServers look so bad.
But its staff responsibility to keep things in line, including bugs, events, AND the community itself.  There is some player fault, yes, but when GMs sit back and just let them run loose what do you expect?

QuoteOh please, what are you, the white knight in shining armour to report this?
Just an informant speaking my mind and experience regarding the server recently, which hasn't been reported on RMS at all.  Figured I'd toss my two cents out so there's at least some text drabble regarding the failure adventure of Valkyrie.  (And sometimes, yes, I like to think about wearing shiny armor)


Yuni

#8
Um no, it says Yuni. Whatever, I'm not here to talk about my name.

Quote from: Torrent on May 18, 2011, 12:25 AM
QuoteBanning someone for crying like a baby?
QuoteIt would have easily enough to hit the ban button for a week to make them cool off and rethink themselves.
A week ban from the forums does not kill anyone, infact I would think it would make most players rethink "trolling".
Nazi. A week ban = they get to brag about it, and will continue to do it once they are unbanned.

Quote from: Torrent on May 18, 2011, 12:25 AM
QuoteI could have just rude mouthed the player (you can't deny that trolls are first replied to in a professional manner, but as time passes, admins/GMs get sick of them), and stayed there to handle little fail troll babies, but nah I'd rather play and have fun somewhere else.
Then do that.  Just don't be a GM ever again if you don't think you can take "babysitting" players.  If you thought GMing is suppose to be fun because you get sparkly hats and sit around in Prontera talking smack...Yeah, staff positions are not for you.
Screenshot of me sitting in Prontera talking smack, or it didn't happen. Oh wait no, I guarantee you that it didn't happen, I don't even know why you are calling me that? o_O; I take volunteering as a GM seriously because I actually enjoy it. I had to bot hunt, I had to watch players b1tch at each other and mod in game, I needed to hold events, I needed to plan s***. Baby sitting =/= part of the job, let me tell you what some basic (event) GM responsibilities are:
- Planning events, in game & on forums. This also includes answering questions regarding them and preparing prizes, and "special" events that are repetitive, seasonal, etc.
- Plan and request event NPCs to scripters (like npc:portctrl)
- Hunting 3rd party program users & players who break the rule for AFK farming.
- Community moderation (@block, @ban, @jail, @mute) when necessary
- General Support
- Being friendly with players, which I've always been.

Sorry but none of the above includes babysitting & thus;
Quote from: Yuni on May 18, 2011, 12:08 AM
I could have just rude mouthed the player (you can't deny that trolls are first replied to in a professional manner, but as time passes, admins/GMs get sick of them), and stayed there to handle little fail troll babies, but nah I'd rather play and have fun somewhere else.

Quote from: Torrent on May 18, 2011, 12:25 AM
QuoteYou know, sometimes it's not only the GMs/Admins that are s***, sometimes it's the players themselves that make pServers look so bad.
But its staff responsibility to keep things in line, including bugs, events, AND the community itself.  There is some player fault, yes, but when GMs sit back and just let them run loose what do you expect?
Refer to my first post explaining about bugs, events, and community.

Also I think you missed this from my first post;
Quote from: Yuni on May 17, 2011, 09:34 PM
TL;DR
- I'm a nice person and can be "professional" as a GM, but treat me like that after giving "professional" and logical explanations, I'm going to stuff your s*** back into your mouth. oop, I'm being too mean here... ohwell. :3
- The GMs tried their best. Tenshi (Sphere), Celesta and I did all that we can. Problem was that our boss was never there.
^ adding onto the first point, you are making it sound like that all GMs/Admins out there need to be professional 24/7. That type of staff is the worst I think- if all you do is give into what the players say and act nice all the time, you are a pushover. I admit I acted like a b1tch, because the person I talked to deserved it (I sent it via PM as well so I wasn't really directly the "retarded players" thing to the server, as I mentioned in this post, I was calling players who couldn't get logical explanations through their heads, that).

Torrent

Quote from: Yuni on May 18, 2011, 12:41 AM
Quote from: Torrent on May 18, 2011, 12:25 AM
Quote from: Yuni on May 18, 2011, 12:08 AM
First of all, my name is Yuni, not Yumi. o_O;
Look up underneath the RMS banner to the text that follows "Hello".  There's an N there.  I was referring to you by the SN here! :C
Um no, it says Yuni. Whatever, I'm not here to talk about my name.
lol we both can't read :I


QuoteNazi. A week ban = they get to brag about it, and will continue to do it once they are unbanned.
Then they are children and deserved to be full on banned.  The staff aren't paid (for the most part, I assume Valk takes away all the donations to use on "server" things (more like dbz trading cards and his rent) and do this out of their own kindness.  While I say being staff IS babysitting still, there's still a fine line between babysitting simpletons who jibber jabber, periodically break out into bawing over hats and literally putting up with getting crap thrown in your face.  If someone really puts up that much of a fight, might as well cut their line.


QuoteScreenshot of me sitting in Prontera talking smack, or it didn't happen. Oh wait no, I guarantee you that it didn't happen, I don't even know why you are calling me that?
Generalization of the GMs of nowadays servers.  While I may not have a screenshot of it happening in Prontera, it happened enough on the forums.  Simple jest is nice, yes, but going beyond that to doing challenging players to gvg publicly on the forums is...what I would think beyond the line.  I wouldn't have had a problem with it if you simply PM'd them or messaged them via IM or whatever (needs moar dueling glove slapping, now that's professional).  Call me a manner/professionalism nazi, but with a large community you want to be more careful than haphazard.

Quote
- Planning events, in game & on forums. This also includes answering questions regarding them and preparing prizes, and "special" events that are repetitive, seasonal, etc.
- Plan and request event NPCs to scripters (like npc:portctrl)
- Hunting 3rd party program users & players who break the rule for AFK farming.
- Community moderation (@block, @ban, @jail, @mute) when necessary
- General Support
- Being friendly with players, which I've always been.
You did your job yes, and fairly well, though as I said my problem is completely with how you carried yourself, especially on the forums.  You can be the best damn person in your job field, but if you talk like a sailor and explode at every poke I'd think that'd knock you down several pegs.  Working with a community requires patience.



And really, I think you should voice what had happened behind the scenes that has caused so many GMs of that server to just...be...so...well, hate incarnate.

Umpa

Meanwhile, Valkyrie is off sipping those pina colada while driving his car in a tropical island filled with hot ladiez.



With dRO donation money.

Torrent

Quote from: Umpa on May 18, 2011, 01:02 AM
Meanwhile, Valkyrie is off sipping those pina colada while driving his car in a tropical island filled with hot ladiez.



With dRO donation money.


And thus is why I hate the state of private servers nowadays.  They are all "get rich" schemes for the administrators for a good 90% chunk of them.

I'd like to see once a private server have an open donation log.

Yuni

#12
^ LOL. There is no legit truth in his vacations, but the point is there anyways haha.

anyways,
Quote from: Torrent on May 18, 2011, 12:58 AM
QuoteNazi. A week ban = they get to brag about it, and will continue to do it once they are unbanned.
Then they are children and deserved to be full on banned.  The staff aren't paid (for the most part, I assume Valk takes away all the donations to use on "server" things (more like dbz trading cards and his rent) and do this out of their own kindness.  While I say being staff IS babysitting still, there's still a fine line between babysitting simpletons who jibber jabber, periodically break out into bawing over hats and literally putting up with getting crap thrown in your face.  If someone really puts up that much of a fight, might as well cut their line.
My ideal is: a ban is always the worst case decision. I punish when rules set by Valkyrie are broken, and if not listed, we were told to use common sense because it goes a long way. I think it's more like a matter of how we each thing GMs should act.

Quote from: Torrent on May 18, 2011, 12:58 AM
Generalization of the GMs of nowadays servers.  While I may not have a screenshot of it happening in Prontera, it happened enough on the forums.  Simple jest is nice, yes, but going beyond that to doing challenging players to gvg publicly on the forums is...what I would think beyond the line.  I wouldn't have had a problem with it if you simply PM'd them or messaged them via IM or whatever (needs moar dueling glove slapping, now that's professional).  Call me a manner/professionalism nazi, but with a large community you want to be more careful than haphazard.
Laffe was the only motherfker I was ever rude to because of reasons stated in prior posts. The challenge wasn't really public, I PM'd him knowing that he would post it up (hence my P.s. that was worded badly, but explained), but I don't think there's anything wrong with it. WoE servers are WoE servers- people go there for War, which is like, 3x a week, 1-2hr each? The rest of the time they would spend on another server, maybe dRO if he decide to stay (apparently he quit, but couldn't get off forums, wut?). I said in my PM that it takes 1-3 days to get geared up to get ready for fighting, in no where did I really say "yo play this server it's better than dRO," though, true.

Quote from: Torrent on May 18, 2011, 12:58 AM
You did your job yes, and fairly well, though as I said my problem is completely with how you carried yourself, especially on the forums.  You can be the best damn person in your job field, but if you talk like a sailor and explode at every poke I'd think that'd knock you down several pegs.  Working with a community requires patience.
There is no point to argue with a 5 year old troll baby. Patience was not worth it, and I had something else to do.

Quote from: Torrent on May 18, 2011, 12:58 AM
And really, I think you should voice what had happened behind the scenes that has caused so many GMs of that server to just...be...so...well, hate incarnate.

Typical day of the staff members:
Ritsu: Valk you there?
-5 hours later-
Valk: oh hey what's up?
Ritsu: Hey! I need ________ and this happened what should I do?
Ritsu: some player wants ________ and needs you only.
Valk: wait I need to wash my hands I'll brb.
-the next day-
Tenshi: Valk you there? I need something from the server side
Valk: Yeah, I'll be there in like 5 minutes, gotta run do something fast
-6 hours later-
Celesta: Valk, I need to speak with you about ________
Valk: What is it?
Celesta: This player told me ________ & ________
-1 hour later-
Valk: Sorry, I'll handle it when I get back, gotta run

& I have so much more to say, but running late & gonna go to bed.

Regarding donations, it's impossible to find a server where the owner doesn't spend anything on him or herself.

Torrent

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My ideal is: a ban is always the worst case decision. I punish when rules set by Valkyrie are broken, and if not listed, we were told to use common sense because it goes a long way. I think it's more like a matter of how we each thing GMs should act.
A permanent ban, yes. But how are you going to properly punish someone to show that their actions are NOT acceptable, especially on the internet?  There's not much else you can do.


Regarding the Laffe thing - if you knew he was going to do it why do it @__@  It was only going to stir up more drama, and that's the last thing that falling apart community needs.  I just find it unacceptable, guess we differ on that opinion.


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Typical day of the staff members:
Ritsu: Valk you there?
-5 hours later-
Valk: oh hey what's up?
Ritsu: Hey! I need ________ and this happened what should I do?
Ritsu: some player wants ________ and needs you only.
Valk: wait I need to wash my hands I'll brb.
-the next day-
Tenshi: Valk you there? I need something from the server side
Valk: Yeah, I'll be there in like 5 minutes, gotta run do something fast
-6 hours later-
Celesta: Valk, I need to speak with you about ________
Valk: What is it?
Celesta: This player told me ________ & ________
-1 hour later-
Valk: Sorry, I'll handle it when I get back, gotta run
WHY WOULD YOU PUT UP WITH THAT.  He's relying on his staff so much to put up with that s***, if he's going to be -that- bad, drop his donkey.  That is irresponsible and no one should be administrating a server like -that-.  I don't understand why Sphere is still there, especially since she has been in charge of putting together the whole eAmod "mess".  If Valk wants it done, I'd like to see him do it himself.  Instead he just sits back and collects all the donations, riding on the backs of an amount of staff that seems to not know much to begin with.

LeaLea

Quote from: Yuni on May 18, 2011, 01:18 AM
Regarding donations, it's impossible to find a server where the owner doesn't spend anything on him or herself.

Well, why shouldn't they? They're giving up their time ect to run the server. If an admin actually cares, and gets off their backside why shouldn't they be able to get a little profit from all their hard work.

If they're just lazy assess, agree completely. But for the few that put the work in, what's wrong with it?

Nano

This is a rule for life man:

NEVER fight with a woman. They will win.

Buy her chocolates, apologize honestly, ignore and cry in a corner, whatever works for you, but never rage dude, never, ever.

Just move on.

Torrent

Quote from: Nano on May 18, 2011, 05:11 PM
This is a rule for life man:

NEVER fight with a woman. They will win.

Buy her chocolates, apologize honestly, ignore and cry in a corner, whatever works for you, but never rage dude, never, ever.

Just move on.


What does that have to do with anything?

And if its about me, why assume I am a man?

mushi

#17
Well there's only one thing that I'd like to know. After she called him out, and since he himself posted it in the forums for everyone to see, did he actually accepted the challenge or just QQ some more?

Torrent

Quote from: mushi on May 18, 2011, 07:36 PM
Well there's only one thing that I'd like to know. After she called him out, and since he himself posted it in the forums for everyone to see, did he actually accepted the challenge or just QQ some more?

I dunno?  I didn't really care about the part, more about the part of a GM having the gull to do that.


Eshua

#19
Hey Torrent

I found some s*** out about you:

You're the guy who tried to run 170 Dex on a Pally
You're the guy who said to run 80% demihuman resis, do tell how this is possible, cause I promise you it is not and it proves a lot about you
You're the guy who quit and cause everyone wanted you go nobody gave a s*** about you to say goodbye so you stuck around cause you didn't get one

And you wanna start pulling the QQ card. Get the hell out LOL

GM called you out, you acted like a wimp and chickened out. So I'll do it;

Bring your s*** guild to ex-ro, I'm the GL of the guild she was talking about. If you have the balls and want to find out why you really got called out for being complete s*** then bring it. We'll be more than happy to put you in your place.

Torrent

#20
Quote from: Eshua on May 20, 2011, 04:18 PM
Hey Torrent

I found some s*** out about you:

You're the guy who tried to run 170 Dex on a Pally
You're the guy who said to run 80% demihuman resis, do tell how this is possible, cause I promise you it is not and it proves a lot about you
You're the guy who quit and cause everyone wanted you go nobody gave a s*** about you to say goodbye so you stuck around cause you didn't get one

And you wanna start pulling the QQ card. Get the hell out LOL

GM called you out, you acted like a wimp and chickened out. So I'll do it;

Bring your s*** guild to ex-ro, I'm the GL of the guild she was talking about. If you have the balls and want to find out why you really got called out for being complete s*** then bring it. We'll be more than happy to put you in your place.


lol nope. also, wtf rms forums, why you make image so brokeneds

Lemme give you a clue of who I am, even though it doesn't really matter.  What I have said in this thread had nothing to do with any personal qualms against anyone, I was simply stating the facts and my opinion of what had happened regarding Destina.  If you think you are white knighting someone or whatever, go ahead, hopefully you'll get naked pictures out of it.