Lapaco mod from Project Alfheim

[Kushiro]

Let me tell you that you are a f*** clown.

You mute me for 24 hours when I defend myself from a person that is putting words in my mouth.

This is the whole conversation you inbreed:








This piece of garbage is putting words on my mouth and just because I made him accountable for what he is doing I'm muted? GET THE f*** OUTA HERE CLOWN.

He knows fully what he is doing , he was so embarrassed that he blocked me because he couldn't quote me saying what he said I was saying, he knows it and I am being muted for defending myself because someone else puts words in my mouth?

You are a clown, oh and you can ban me if you want, I can make another account just fine, I don't give a s***, you think I will actually endure your 24 hour ban? LMAO, clown.

[Names]

Bro you've been complaining about every server you play for the past week. Take a break.

[sate]

Dude only said "chill out. Or I'll chill you out" and "See you tomorrow". You get offended by that? Try to manage your emotion better.
PS. When everyone is against you, we can clearly see who is the problem there.

[Kushiro]

Bro you've been complaining about every server you play for the past week. Take a break.

False equivalence fallacy:

• I made a post about UARO because I have been informed that they don't enforce the "No multi account policy" specially on their biggest donators, I don't play on that server, I made some low level chars but the server is basically a bad copy of project Alfheim and the only thing they had over it "No multi account" isn't even enforced.
• I added a REPLY to the Payon stories/Oath RO situation, never played on that server at all because it is even worse than UARO they have multiple bad practices and multiple red flags.
• I made this post about a moderator of a discord of P. Alfheim, I didn't made a post (recently at least) to say anything about the server, I just don't agree with that imbecile moderator, I do play in P.Alfheim but I haven't been very active lately because I'm burned of RO.

The conclusion is: I am not making posts complaining of every server I play becuase of the servers I made posts of I don't play them, I only made some low level characeters a few weeks ago in UARO before even knowing that they don't enforce their no multi account policy and even back then I wasn't really motivated because it is just a bad P.Alfheim server. And in the case of Payon stories It isn't even a post is a reply to an existin post.

I do play in P.Alfheim but I'm not complaining about the server but about a stupid af moderator and this is why I put the post in the "Rant and rave" section not on the "server discussion" section because this is just a rant about a discord moderator not about a server.

That is why this is a false equivallence fallacy, each case is not remotely the same thing.

[Kushiro]

Yeah, a permanent one.  Imagine not having the mental capacity to handle a single RO server. Lol what a loser.

First of all a permanent what? a perma ban on the discord? go ahead, that account is already not in use, I don't give a f***, the moment you ban one I have already 5 or 6 on the same server.

Secondly you are using Adhominem fallacy litterally just attacking and insulting me, thats not an argument and in fact it makes you a loser because nobody wins a debate or discussion with petty insults.

[Kushiro]

Dude only said "chill out. Or I'll chill you out" and "See you tomorrow". You get offended by that? Try to manage your emotion better.
PS. When everyone is against you, we can clearly see who is the problem there.

First of all what bothers me is that defending myself from someone putting words in my mouth grants me a 24 hours mute and that person putting words in my mouth gets a free pass, IRL you can actually have a case for defamation against someone doing that, granted it is a more complicated question but I believe a moderator should not allow someone to put words in someone else mouth and not punish the person defending himself. It's not about being offended it's about an injustice.

You say: "PS. When everyone is against you, we can clearly see who is the problem there"

Thats an adpopullum fallacy, the majority is not always right, in fact it is more plausible that they are wrong because the majority tend to follow, not many people have unique thoughts or personal criteria, most people just go with the herd or what their in turn "leader" (shepherd) says, facts are not a democracy, and even if as you say (without even showing numbers to prove your statement) the "majority" is against me it doesn't matter because that just means the majority is wrong.

[sate]

It's like I'm taking a class in Politics, Philosophy or some sorts...
From what I can see, the people at the discord didn't put words in your mouth, I don't know how you come to that conclusion. Making that small friction as something of an injustice or even a defamation is borderline ridiculous IMO. You insult the said person as "inbreed", "a piece of garbage", and "clown" in a public platform, isn't that also a defamation on your case? Let's not dawdle on this, put this to rest and move on. Oh, I'm not going to involve myself anymore in this ridiculous banter. Good day

[Metan]

You just know he's posting while tabbing back and forth to yourlogicalfallacyis.com lol

[Xellie]

If 3k is too much for 30 mins of endow, and you won't use an elemental weapon, I'm sure that the hats would be too hard for you to make too - so maybe post about that next.

I'll save you the alt-tab, I just posted a slippery slope fallacy.

[Kushiro]

It's like I'm taking a class in Politics, Philosophy or some sorts...
From what I can see, the people at the discord didn't put words in your mouth

Either you didn't read the screenshots or you are not understanding because you are either too lazy to read, too stupid or too damn evil.

Ill give you the benefit of the doubt and say you are too lazy or too stupid so I will explain to you:



There you go, read the before and after images, never said that, my only argument was that it wasn't as easy and sometimes the endow materials are scarse, somehow that equate me saying I want something for free, whcih isn't true, why would I need something for free anyway if I am millionare ingame, I was just expressing myself without expecting anything from anybody and somehow that was twisted like I was asking for free s*** and even when pointing out I never said that this evil person acted as a victim as if I am doing something bad because I don't appreciate someone twisting my words into something I never said and acting as if I am the toxic person just because I don't like people twisting my words, get the f*** outa here with that s*** (him, not you).

[Kushiro]

You just know he's posting while tabbing back and forth to yourlogicalfallacyis.com lol

Thinking that says more about you than about me, it is pure projection.

Oh and this is an appeal to ridicule fallacy.

[Kushiro]

If 3k is too much for 30 mins of endow, and you won't use an elemental weapon, I'm sure that the hats would be too hard for you to make too - so maybe post about that next.

I'll save you the alt-tab, I just posted a slippery slope fallacy.

It was never about the money, I was just expressing an opinion I wasn't making "activism" for getting something changed.

I'm millionare in game, it wasn't about me changing something I was just saying than an endow slave can be a bit of a problem not only because you actually have to level another character and making one of the most if not the most painful job quests in RO but also dealing with the possibility that the endow materials aren't available, it wasn't about the price but availibility of them because I remember I sometimes didn't saw all of them for sale specially wind ones.

Yeah I did mentioned the hats because I like their effects and I already own 2 of them so I want the other two to be available at some point and even if as you said I would be so "lazy" to make them I would just buy them.

Again I wasn't making activism, or a stand or some s*** I was just saying that making an endow slave can carry some inconvinience that for some it maybe not much for for others could be a bit much, also was more talking about new players not about people that already have 30 characters and millions in zenny.

[sate]

Either you didn't read the screenshots or you are not understanding because you are either too lazy to read, too stupid or to damn evil.

Ill give you the benefit of the doubt and say you are too lazy or too stupid so I will explain to you:

I did not attack you at any point, I just pointed out my own opinion yet you dare to insult me as an evil person? Stupid is okay I guess, Lazy sure, but evil? C'mon man, that's going too far. A healthy discussion should not be accompanied with profanities yet all your arguments are all about insults and profanities. I see that you're not backing down so there is nothing more for me to discuss with you. Have a nice day.

Oh, btw...

Secondly you are using Adhominem fallacy litterally just attacking and insulting me, thats not an argument and in fact it makes you a loser because nobody wins a debate or discussion with petty insults.

I guess you are a loser too.

[Kushiro]

I did not attack you at any point, I just pointed out my own opinion yet you dare to insult me as an evil person? Stupid is okay I guess, Lazy sure, but evil? C'mon man, that's going too far. A healthy discussion should not be accompanied with profanities yet all your arguments are all about insults and profanities. I see that you're not backing down so there is nothing more for me to discuss with you. Have a nice day.

I have to agree with you with you being too stupid because if you read my post I said: I will give you the benefit of the doubt about you being evil hence why I took the time to explain to you, even added a screenshot and edited it so it would be more easier to understand.

Read again.

About your edit about me being a loser, it doesn't apply, saying someone is stupid is actually a description of a behavior that shows lack of intelligence and it is perfectly valid to call someone stupid if they keep not understanding what you mean or missrepresenting what you say because of their lack of intelligence.

READ AGAIN.

[amoryblaine]

This is the cringest thing I think I've seen playing on this server and I've been trought alot. It is exactly the point that if you die 2 or 3 times in the period of 60 minutes you will use about 5 wind of verdure or whatver elemental stone you need and that is not more than 30k. a lvl 15 thief can farm 30k in a few minutes killing spores for strawberries or even selling sewer/ payon cave loot.

You keep calling it a falacy but this whole interaction is absurd and the fault lies in your hards OP. Your point was blatently wrong and people politely tried to argue with you and you went and became progressively toxic dying in a hill of idiocy.

[Kushiro]

This is the cringest thing I think I've seen playing on this server and I've been trought alot. It is exactly the point that if you die 2 or 3 times in the period of 60 minutes you will use about 5 wind of verdure or whatver elemental stone you need and that is not more than 30k. a lvl 15 thief can farm 30k in a few minutes killing spores for strawberries or even selling sewer/ payon cave loot.

You keep calling it a falacy but this whole interaction is absurd and the fault lies in your hards OP. Your point was blatently wrong and people politely tried to argue with you and you went and became progressively toxic dying in a hill of idiocy.

Yeah with all the insults you sound "really polite" just like that guy that put words in my mouth and then ran away like a coward when confronted and asked to quote where I said what he was accusing me of saying.

The reality is I never was asking for any change I was just making a point in favor of a new player but never said anything should be changed that's why is even more stupid that this person went to the lengths of putting words in my mouth when it was just a simple discussion that up to that point was being respectful disagreement but the moment you try to put words in my mouth you may as well just outright insult me because it's almost the same thing.

I never argued in any capacity for a change, not only do I have a schoolar with endows but also are pretty much rich in-game so like I said I was just expressing an innocent opinion on why endow slave COULD BE annoying for some people.

[amoryblaine]

You keep going in circles with this infantile argument of the endow that is a moot point. If endow is too much of a hastle for some people, maybe they could buy elemental weapons or maybe start with one of the other dozen or so classes that work perfectly without endow until you can afford 50k-100k in endow / hour of farm?. You can also, god forbid, play without endow!!! You think you are being misunderstood but no one put "words in your mouth" and the only apparent escalation came from you. Yes, some new players might think that, but it is not like there is no other options for them, it's like you keep ignoring this point like you are actually blind to it.

 Every word of this post is a waste of human time and you should delete this entire post and forget about this whole thing that does not mater. You felt disrespected but for everyone else you were disrespecting and not making sense. You are just adding fuel to a dumpsterfire each post you make by thinking everyone is after you. Just take 3 days, move on with your life and come back maybe, or not. It would be better for you if you stopped, I am done with this. Good thing is we need new players and drama is the best way to get them so the timing is perfect, thank you for this! But I still suggest you to stop.

[amoryblaine]

The reality is I never was asking for any change I was just making a point in favor of a new player but never said anything should be changed that's why is even more stupid that this person went to the lengths of putting words in my mouth when it was just a simple discussion that up to that point was being respectful disagreement but the moment you try to put words in my mouth you may as well just outright insult me because it's almost the same thing. <<Felt you would misunderstand (again)>> but this paragraph is shows what you are imagining. No one said you wanted to change and that is irrelevant for everyone, it is weird that it is relevant for you, people just were pointing holes in what you were saying and you were getting progressively mad.

I didn't adress it ( like most people ) because it is fiction, voices in your head. lol

[charlielovesu]

I'm not even sure if RMS is the proper place for a post like this. If you had a problem with moderation in any server discord you should definitely make a ticket in THAT discord.

In this case, thats the Project Alfheim discord, our discord.

Secondly, you sound extremely frustrated and exasperated. Getting muted is frustrating obviously, but given your other posts and your response to only being muted in the discord, I would strongly consider taking a break from everything for a bit to calm yourself.

The truth is our moderators kind of have to nip drama in the bud before it festers and gets worse. I understand that you may feel venting about an opinion about the server, isn't drama, but it can be if its posited in the way that it was.

It's ok to have an opinion that you don't like something about the server. You may not like a mechanic or a design choice, but right now there isn't really anything that's going to happen with that. So don't drag it into main chat, or in game for an extended time. We never really get on people who say something in passing, its when the venting becomes a discussion for an extended period of time and devolves into an argument that we will step in and do something about it.

Again, Paco is only doing his job basically. obviously you don't agree with the mute, but paco has to make quick decisions to resolve drama before it gets worse.I back him up on this one as from simply reading second hand from the posts alone, it was devolving into an argument and drama.

Also just remember that time outs are just that, time outs. you aren't banned, its basically a mod saying calm down and come back tomorrow when you aren't getting heated over what is essentially nothing.

[Kushiro]

You keep going in circles with this infantile argument of the endow that is a moot point. If endow is too much of a hastle for some people, maybe they could buy elemental weapons or maybe start with one of the other dozen or so classes that work perfectly without endow until you can afford 50k-100k in endow / hour of farm?. You can also, god forbid, play without endow!!! You think you are being misunderstood but no one put "words in your mouth" and the only apparent escalation came from you. Yes, some new players might think that, but it is not like there is no other options for them, it's like you keep ignoring this point like you are actually blind to it.

 Every word of this post is a waste of human time and you should delete this entire post and forget about this whole thing that does not mater. You felt disrespected but for everyone else you were disrespecting and not making sense. You are just adding fuel to a dumpsterfire each post you make by thinking everyone is after you. Just take 3 days, move on with your life and come back maybe, or not. It would be better for you if you stopped, I am done with this. Good thing is we need new players and drama is the best way to get them so the timing is perfect, thank you for this! But I still suggest you to stop.

Saying no one put word in my mouth is a completely dishonest sentence, the evidence is there already.

I never said I wanted anything for free, my only "mistake" was to go a little bit against the narrative of "the cult", "the mass" and give a bit of a different opinion.

You say this is a waste of time yet you seem to be happy to waste it posting ,seems your time is not as important as you claim it is.

[Kushiro]

The reality is I never was asking for any change I was just making a point in favor of a new player but never said anything should be changed that's why is even more stupid that this person went to the lengths of putting words in my mouth when it was just a simple discussion that up to that point was being respectful disagreement but the moment you try to put words in my mouth you may as well just outright insult me because it's almost the same thing. <<Felt you would misunderstand (again)>> but this paragraph is shows what you are imagining. No one said you wanted to change and that is irrelevant for everyone, it is weird that it is relevant for you, people just were pointing holes in what you were saying and you were getting progressively mad.

I didn't adress it ( like most people ) because it is fiction, voices in your head. lol

This whole post is a "waste of time right"? So much that you made two post on it?

Like I said, it seems it isn't a waste of time at all.

I never said I wanted everything for free, that's a strawman fallacy and the moment that guy gets confronted about it and asked for the exact quote where I said that he acts like a victim and then cucks out and blocks me.

[Kushiro]

I'm not even sure if RMS is the proper place for a post like this. If you had a problem with moderation in any server discord you should definitely make a ticket in THAT discord.

In this case, thats the Project Alfheim discord, our discord.

Secondly, you sound extremely frustrated and exasperated. Getting muted is frustrating obviously, but given your other posts and your response to only being muted in the discord, I would strongly consider taking a break from everything for a bit to calm yourself.

The truth is our moderators kind of have to nip drama in the bud before it festers and gets worse. I understand that you may feel venting about an opinion about the server, isn't drama, but it can be if its posited in the way that it was.

It's ok to have an opinion that you don't like something about the server. You may not like a mechanic or a design choice, but right now there isn't really anything that's going to happen with that. So don't drag it into main chat, or in game for an extended time. We never really get on people who say something in passing, its when the venting becomes a discussion for an extended period of time and devolves into an argument that we will step in and do something about it.

Again, Paco is only doing his job basically. obviously you don't agree with the mute, but paco has to make quick decisions to resolve drama before it gets worse.I back him up on this one as from simply reading second hand from the posts alone, it was devolving into an argument and drama.

Also just remember that time outs are just that, time outs. you aren't banned, its basically a mod saying calm down and come back tomorrow when you aren't getting heated over what is essentially nothing.

If you are indeed Charlie the administrator, I wasn't complaining about the server dude, I only gave an opinion on making a slave endower that was contrary to the standard herd mass opinion, I wasn't trying to get anything changed , the only thing I said is that I hoped the gryphon and fish head hat were implemented but it wasn't really about that, I was just saying that an endower slave can be a pain to make and use but just because that is what I think and not because I wanted anything changes or because I was complaining about the server.

I believe this whole thing is because of fanboyism, fanatism, blind narcissism which prevents people from accepting someone may not like something or have criticism about something you may like a lot and this fanatic narcissists can't take anything that goes against their own "this thing I like is perfect" narrative even if it's just as innocent as what I said, they truly take it as a personal attack or an act of war to say anything against what their worship.

He strawmaned my argument and said I wanted free stuff, I never said that and any honest person can see that in the screenshots I posted.

If the mute were to both of us I would have understood but he only muted me and I just won't accept that and in fact I didn't and he can shove his mute up his donkey because I was yesterday with my other accounts in the discord just fine LMAO, you have 0 power Laputa.

I'm cool with you Charlie so don't take anything here as an attack on the server or you, you should really start allowing suggestions though.

[Xellie]