EvolveRO - From pleasant to garbage

Cawliflower · Jul 04, 2013, 08:38 PM

Quote from: Elin on Jul 04, 2013, 07:26 PM
I didn't. Thanks for trying to twist my words.

Edit: Oh, sorry. When I read "my server" I thought your meant your scripts. As far as I recall the drama was started by your previous topic.

No, I know they didn't steal scripts. I never released any code outside of my rAthena contributions which are free for use anyway. I never twisted your words either. I simply thanked you for iterating what I knew was his motives behind copying my announcements.

Quote from: Rayeth on Jul 04, 2013, 07:12 PM
Why you keep f*** bringing this s*** up ffs, players don't f*** care about your dramas.. and all the things that you posted ain't proving any s***... and its been a long time this server is definitely not f*** the same as your server since I played on your server and the same reason I left... move on from this and stop crying for some petty reasons.

@Rayeth: I'm well aware of the fact players typically don't care. A very small percentage of RMS users actually use the RMS forums. You don't have to rage about it and I'll voice my opinions where it is appropriate. Calm down.

Thoth · Jul 04, 2013, 09:45 PM

DOOMIE DOOMIE DOOM

TelethaTestarossa · Jul 05, 2013, 09:50 AM

Quote from: Elin on Jul 04, 2013, 06:16 PM
You sure know what you are talking about...

Well, here comes the truth, whether you like it or not:

The monsters listed are the ones @spawned, the other monsters came from the 17 Bloody Branches. And the other mobs were not worth mentioning (thousands of Porings, god beware us), the post also states it. Why would the staff lie about the logs? Do you think if we left out some monsters it would make the screwup less tragic? The event wasn't made for anyone in particular either, Paradise wasn't ever related to TOP in any way, they just happened to be online at that time. It would be really great if you stopped stating your assumptions as if they were facts.

As for the rest:

Ancient never stole ideas or scripts, in fact most was made from scratch or bought.
Ancient stole Cawliflower's sentence because he knew it would piss him off. However the rest of the staff found out about the incident after it was done. To be honest I don't care anymore about their personal fight.
Quote wrote here because he wanted to, not because anyone sent him. By the way, I am also writing here because I want to.

I am sorry if we are all too unexperienced and bad for you, I assure you I've always tried my best to be helpful and fair and so did most of the staff. If you have any other questions, feel free to ask.

Greetings, Misa.

If you're going to check the logs.. at least fully write what got @spawned and what got used as DB / BB in situations like this naturally.
I've been / seen in that event.. and you guys seem to not mention many many other monsters (For people that checked the logs) that is.. the porings? please. Who the hell gives a damn about those are you being for real? lol..

These GM's man... from this server, whatever you do or whatever you write to them all they give you is a strict answer which is "stop being childish" always a "no". Never a reasoning what so ever.

Elin · Jul 05, 2013, 04:55 PM

Do you actually understand what I write or are you just looking for reasons to complain? Believe me or not, the listed monsters are the only ones that mattered. I don't see a point in repeating myself and counting all the Poring monsters and Anubis'.

Also command logs aren't magical, I can't read from them what spawned from the 17 BBs, nor is it tracked in our Branch logs, otherwise I could provide those.

I never told any player he was being childish and everyone has always been able to talk to me or discuss things through. I don't know who you are holding your grudges against (nor do I know who you are, to be honest), but don't overgeneralize like that.

TelethaTestarossa · Jul 09, 2013, 09:21 AM

Quote from: Elin on Jul 05, 2013, 04:55 PM
Do you actually understand what I write or are you just looking for reasons to complain? Believe me or not, the listed monsters are the only ones that mattered. I don't see a point in repeating myself and counting all the Poring monsters and Anubis'.

Also command logs aren't magical, I can't read from them what spawned from the 17 BBs, nor is it tracked in our Branch logs, otherwise I could provide those.

I never told any player he was being childish and everyone has always been able to talk to me or discuss things through. I don't know who you are holding your grudges against (nor do I know who you are, to be honest), but don't overgeneralize like that.

A very likely story.. this is coming from the GM who has high powers & also plays the server as a regular player... who knows WHAT she does with the GM char to assist her reg char let alone helping out a guild that she serves

Not to mention possible macroing or other misc illegal programs.. what are you going to do, ban yourself? lol... a very likely story.

And this GM... named GM Misa a.k.a Melody (Gypsy) or in game or *Elin* on RMS forums, shouted on main saying that she knew one of the biggest guilds will get stomped. (During the very 1st SE WoE)

Maybe should watch your mouth before speaking eh? if that 1 big guild leaves then the server will die a obvious truth.

Regret · Jul 09, 2013, 10:11 AM

GMs being legit characters is always a delicate thing to do, isn't that true?

Thoth · Jul 09, 2013, 12:38 PM

transparency is the only real solution to corruption. public logs, viewable equip, etc.
and lets stop pretending harmony stops nodelay

Elin · Jul 09, 2013, 12:59 PM

Quote from: TelethaTestarossa on Jul 09, 2013, 09:21 AM
A very likely story.. this is coming from the GM who has high powers & also plays the server as a regular player... who knows WHAT she does with the GM char to assist her reg char let alone helping out a guild that she serves

Not to mention possible macroing or other misc illegal programs.. what are you going to do, ban yourself? lol... a very likely story.

And this GM... named GM Misa a.k.a Melody (Gypsy) or in game or *Elin* on RMS forums, shouted on main saying that she knew one of the biggest guilds will get stomped. (During the very 1st SE WoE)

Maybe should watch your mouth before speaking eh? if that 1 big guild leaves then the server will die a obvious truth.

Now you really are pushing it.
Go ahead and ask the rest of the staff for logs, I have nothing to hide (that's why everyone knows about my identity, by the way, and any player who asked has always been able to see my equipment immediately). Stronghold also knows that I take my GM position very serious, I've handled there (like in every other guild) every sort of things: macros, Harmony bans, threats/begging, scamming, afk leveling/bging. In the end they felt intimidated after I banned there an important person and they asked me to leave the guild after that. Actually go ask the guild yourself, they save in Hugel. Oh, and since we are talking about Stronghold: The leader himself said to me (while I was still in the guild) that they were going to be steamrolled in SE. This is not a surprise for anyone since WTFJH had already equal numbers to SH, with ~8 dedicated people not willing to participate in FE. I also didn't say that in main chat, but in the public chat of Alberta, where WTFJH saves (right after the very first SE, where WTFJH managed to keep the castle. Mindblowing). But I guess people like you will always look for reasons to complain.

Now instead of making up more things, maybe you should use your free time in joining a different server if you are not pleased with this one. I'll leave this thread since every other question has been answered and I don't need to justify myself against empty accusations for the sole fact that I want to play in a server I helped forming.

Nitrous · Jul 09, 2013, 01:48 PM

Quote from: Thoth on Jul 09, 2013, 12:38 PM
transparency is the only real solution to corruption. public logs, viewable equip, etc.
and lets stop pretending harmony stops nodelay

but how do you prevent log corruption?

Thoth · Jul 14, 2013, 04:41 PM

Quote from: Nitrous on Jul 09, 2013, 01:48 PM
but how do you prevent log corruption?

as in the head GM putting in loopholes? as always, the leader sets the tone of an organization. if they favor short term corruption gains over long term gains, then you already know what will happen. you hear about this kindof junk all the time in politics and business- they're so worried about the next quarterly stock report they run the future into the ground. they want money NOW, nevermind that after they get bribed for mvp cards or whatnot that such toxic items will bury the server. and for some reason, these short-term profit types are celebrated in society and wall-street.
whenever I see a "v3" next to a server's name I cringe. one failure wasnt enough to learn? are they doing it on purpose? whatever happened to longevity? no wipes ever? yeah sure lol...

potatopie · Jul 16, 2013, 11:24 AM

Quoteand lets stop pretending harmony stops nodelay

I love you.

Playtester · Jul 17, 2013, 05:29 AM

Quote from: Thoth on Jul 14, 2013, 04:41 PM
as in the head GM putting in loopholes? as always, the leader sets the tone of an organization. if they favor short term corruption gains over long term gains, then you already know what will happen. you hear about this kindof junk all the time in politics and business- they're so worried about the next quarterly stock report they run the future into the ground. they want money NOW, nevermind that after they get bribed for mvp cards or whatnot that such toxic items will bury the server. and for some reason, these short-term profit types are celebrated in society and wall-street.
whenever I see a "v3" next to a server's name I cringe. one failure wasnt enough to learn? are they doing it on purpose? whatever happened to longevity? no wipes ever? yeah sure lol...

Wipes do not necessarily equal failure. With private servers it's often so that if your server is old and you don't have 500+ players, it's basically impossible to still get new players, even if perfectly managed, so your server is fated to slowly die. If you wipe however, you will get a bunch of new guilds and bring the server back to life.

I for my part was really enjoying some of those v2 and v3 servers.

Thoth · Jul 27, 2013, 06:45 AM

Quote from: Playtester on Jul 17, 2013, 05:29 AM
Wipes do not necessarily equal failure. With private servers it's often so that if your server is old and you don't have 500+ players, it's basically impossible to still get new players, even if perfectly managed, so your server is fated to slowly die.

that new people won't join proves that its NOT being perfectly managed.

decay can be addressed. extremely scarcity of powerful items creates decay, where people won't join an old server because they don't want to fight an uphill battle they may never win.
getting bored is addressed with new content, although this is often done by making old things useless when the healthier method is keeping the old things useful and introduce new possibilities.

Judgement · Jul 27, 2013, 08:25 AM

Quote from: Playtester on Jul 17, 2013, 05:29 AM
Wipes do not necessarily equal failure. With private servers it's often so that if your server is old and you don't have 500+ players, it's basically impossible to still get new players, even if perfectly managed, so your server is fated to slowly die. If you wipe however, you will get a bunch of new guilds and bring the server back to life.

I for my part was really enjoying some of those v2 and v3 servers.

I guess TalonRO is some sort of miracle server eh.