Anthemro (final review)

Started by bensei, Mar 08, 2010, 05:19 AM

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bensei

Inb4 drama thread, swt. Itll get locked anyway once a few posts come up but meh, at least this thread stays to complete the impression ARO makes on rms.

Ive been a long term Animaro and anthemro player. Ive gone through some head gm changes, like debbie, Harken, and now talis.

to say it in advance, i got banned of Anthemro, due to a pretty silly misunderstanding.

Ive been with an actually good friend there for like 3 years, said friend and i have gone through good and bad times. we Donated here and there, he donated more than me though. Anyway, a bit ago he told me hed quit the server. Thats not the first time he said that, however, he seems to be serious this time. He told me hed have spent all his zeny now, and with that hed be gone. I could have all the stuff and do as i wish.

Sadly i didnt screeny that in game. (i had the msn logs though, as they auto save)

after he and i had a long talk he went off. I wanted to make sure if he was being serious or not, and i was under the impression that he was serious.

When he logged off, i began to get all our items to my account. We owned quite a bit, mainly because he donated a lot. My part of the gear was smaller than his obviously.
anyway, i put the stuff on my accounts and then, i changed my password. Not to stop him from getting back our stuff, but to limit the access of the stuff as we let many other less wealthy people use our stuff. If hed have ask me id of course let him get his stuff back.

Anyway, i went to bed. Next morning, i wake up. My pm box was filled with many pms. I also noticed a ranters thread, and a report against me. Especially the ranters thread was quite hurtful, as it contained many things he knew about me as a person in real life.

He was totally agressive towards me, said he didnt mean it as he said, however i was so hurted that i wouldnt just give up as well. i mean imagine a close friend of you declaring you suddenly as a scammer etc.

So i fought against the report, found the msn logs of him saying the stuff would be mine, etc.

Now, i knew anthemro asks a lot of $ for item recoverys. For the total amount of sqi and stuff we owned, id be a total of like 2.5k $ or pretty close to that amount.

Now guess who won the report fight? Yes, my friend did, he paid 2,5k $ (yes thats totally insane) and i got banned on all my chars for item theft, which is sad enough, as i didnt steal anything, especially if you consider that even if id have scammed him, the rules say that everyone is responsible for his own account information.

Anyway, he got all the items back, which was ok actually since opinions can be different, but i also got banned, which i think is totally unfair. Probably to shut me down.

I dont know what else played a role into this fight. He and i know the server owner Felix, even though he is a closer friend of him, especially cause Felix's wife, is my friends ex gf.

however i have no prove if that played a role or not, but yea, of course i think of that too.

Anyway, to make this "rant" a review; anthemro is a total donation server after all. The new gms failed me. If you have money, and are willing to pay a lot of money, you can have anything on this server. Id even go so far to say rule immunity, seeing how my friend bypassed all the account related rules in this report, only because of the donation fee he was going to pay.

I have to admit, i was wrong in defending the server for such a long time. I feel sorry for actually having put thrust into the new self claimed "non corrupt" gm team.

Many people of this server have their opinion about this now. Some think i am a scammer and totally planned it (Which is funny, since i wash is friend for 3 years. id totally wait 3 years to scamm someone, it makes sense, really) and some think, i was in the right. that doesnt play a role anymore though.

In the end i cant advice anyone to play this server anymore, because of said money issue, but also because of what the server has turned into. animaro was kind of balanced non donators could get as rich as donators. However, thats not possible anymore, the economy is dead. donators rule the prices and thats it.

Anyway, ill probably get flamed. People may think about me what the wish. it doesnt mean anything to me to be virtually hated. However, i felt like i had to post that about anthemro. Id have a lot more to say about the gms however, thatd probably exceed the post limit. /swt

Sad that such a skill full aegis gm team has turned out to be this money greedy. I wonder if this kind of donation server is even legal, as its not a donation server anymore, but close to a pay2play server.

Good day anthemro.

DeePee


bensei

Quote from: DeePee on Mar 08, 2010, 05:23 AM
Quote from: bensei on Mar 08, 2010, 05:19 AM
he paid 2,5k $

What.
The.
Hell.

well im not sure what amount exactly it was, i just did the math and sumed up the items we owned. and yes, its totally insane to pay this much. =I

i did donated maybe a few $ too, but over the 3 years it wouldnt be more than maybe 50$, lol.

Luna~

bensei, i believe it. I'm Lynn Leblanc and I got banned for something I didn't do, and those who actually did it, didn't get banned.

Temjin

You have to pay for item recovery?! Rofl.

Servers like these are exactly what's wrong with Ragnarok Online.

Inb4 Anthem fanboys/fangirls show up and say "QQ MOAR U LOSE".


DeePee

#5
There's nothing wrong with an item recovery fee. Usually it's people who are stupid enough to share their password or lend out their gear and lose their stuff like that. If there's hundreds of recoveries to be done like that, it takes up a s*** load of time y'know. Especially if the person who took the items traded the items a few times between various accounts, then sold them to various other players, etc. Players should realize that the GMs are not always available to clean up all the mess they make for free. That's what a recovery fee is for. But $2.5k (if it's true)...? That's extreme.

Also...I believe aRO is one of the only servers who can actually do complicated item recoveries? Seeing that eAthena does not have a Unique ID bound to every item ingame, which pretty much makes it hard to trace where every item went to.

bensei

well do the mathit was like 35 different sqi of like every weapon sqi, 4 sets  accessoire sqi (3x2 brisingamen; 1x2 Megs etc) and then the normal gears, wich are like 5-10 $ ea. Those were a big part too, as i had lots of complete armor sets, angel wing ears sets. garment sets shield sets and not to forgot all the random mvp carded weapons.

you see it sums up quite quickly. =/

as i said i cant tell if its exactly 2.5k $ but its pretty much something arround that number.

Temjin

Quote from: DeePee on Mar 08, 2010, 01:01 PM
There's nothing wrong with an item recovery fee. Usually it's people who are stupid enough to share their password or lend out their gear and lose their stuff like that. If there's hundreds of recoveries to be done like that, it takes up a s*** load of time y'know. Especially if the person who took the items traded the items a few times between various accounts, then sold them to various other players, etc. Players should realize that the GMs are not always available to clean up all the mess they make for free. That's what a recovery fee is for. But $2.5k (if it's true)...? That's extreme.

Also...I believe aRO is one of the only servers who can actually do complicated item recoveries? Seeing that eAthena does not have a Unique ID bound to every item ingame, which pretty much makes it hard to trace where every item went to.

So you're saying it's okay to charge people for something that they can't recover on their own. Stupid or not, this is one of the jobs of a server administrator. If the application was different, say...a server for a company and files got lost, does the server administrator for the company charge for it? No, part of that job is ensuring that the server runs efficiently and that file integrity is secure and safe. This is why I'm calling bollocks, and yet another cash grab by a greedy admin/Staff.

Takes up their time? Boo-hoo. If they didn't want to deal with it, they shouldn't have opened a server. Let's face it, the collective IQ of a head of celery would trump that of the average group of RO players, you jump feet-first into the fray, you're going to deal with what comes with it. You can't just slap a fee on it and say "Oh well, it's our time and effort".

Last I checked, RO servers weren't run for profit, and surprise, surprise...this is one of them.

DeePee

#8
Quote from: Temjin on Mar 08, 2010, 01:42 PM
Quote from: DeePee on Mar 08, 2010, 01:01 PM
There's nothing wrong with an item recovery fee. Usually it's people who are stupid enough to share their password or lend out their gear and lose their stuff like that. If there's hundreds of recoveries to be done like that, it takes up a s*** load of time y'know. Especially if the person who took the items traded the items a few times between various accounts, then sold them to various other players, etc. Players should realize that the GMs are not always available to clean up all the mess they make for free. That's what a recovery fee is for. But $2.5k (if it's true)...? That's extreme.

Also...I believe aRO is one of the only servers who can actually do complicated item recoveries? Seeing that eAthena does not have a Unique ID bound to every item ingame, which pretty much makes it hard to trace where every item went to.

So you're saying it's okay to charge people for something that they can't recover on their own. Stupid or not, this is one of the jobs of a server administrator. If the application was different, say...a server for a company and files got lost, does the server administrator for the company charge for it? No, part of that job is ensuring that the server runs efficiently and that file integrity is secure and safe. This is why I'm calling bollocks, and yet another cash grab by a greedy admin/Staff.

Takes up their time? Boo-hoo. If they didn't want to deal with it, they shouldn't have opened a server. Let's face it, the collective IQ of a head of celery would trump that of the average group of RO players, you jump feet-first into the fray, you're going to deal with what comes with it. You can't just slap a fee on it and say "Oh well, it's our time and effort".

Last I checked, RO servers weren't run for profit, and surprise, surprise...this is one of them.

People agree with this matter when they join the server. Their accounts and items are their responsibility. If they break these rules by lending out items or sharing passwords, it's their own responsibility. Now the server offers to recover their gears (and really, there are not many servers that are even able to do so) and they ask a recovery fee for that as, indeed, a slap in the face. The person who lost the items broke the rules and will have to face the consequences if (s)he wants to recover the items. On most servers you'll be screwed if you lose your items.

And saying you should just live with it as a GM is easy to say. It can take hours per case to solve something like this. Now imagine a server with hundreds of players who regularly lose their items. Yes, that's easily tens/hundreds of item recoveries, all taking quite some hours each to solve. Doing something like that for free will let players abuse the hell out of a service like that. They will go "Oh, sure you can have these items, the GMs will recover them anyway if you steal them", which can't honestly be good.
The job of a GM is to manage the server, not to solely do item recoveries for players who are dumb enough to lose them all the time. Having to spend all your time doing this instead of working on improving the server is just silly.

Also, I'm just saying there's nothing wrong with a recovery fee in general. This does not per-say mean a recovery fee in terms of real money, but could also be a zeny fee.

Luna~


bensei

first of all..... wow lynn, wth. Didnt know that one O.o;

Well deepee, i agree with you to some degree. However, i find it ridiculous how its still called a "donation -FEE" Its really a contradiction. i mean, i either donate and eventually get a reward from the one i donated too, or a server has a set price list of services it offers, which can be obtained by paying a price.

Im not sure if what aro does is still lega too, i mean yea its called donation, however isnt there a rule of what is actually still considered a Donation?

Well, i know Talis is german and lives not too far away  from me. By german law he has to pay taxes, which i know he does pay. Im still really confused if its totally legal, to label his incoming money a Donation.

Tom~

Hello,
first I'd like to ask a mod to move this thread to "Rants and Rave", since this does not qualify as a review.

@Topic: That's exactly why on some servers account sharing is forbidden. And really, you should make this question to yourself: Was he really your friend? I mean, if it was so easy for him to backstab you...

And so you killed yourself,
but you killed everyone else around you too.

bensei

Quote from: Tom~ on Mar 08, 2010, 03:26 PM
Hello,
first I'd like to ask a mod to move this thread to "Rants and Rave", since this does not qualify as a review.

@Topic: That's exactly why on some servers account sharing is forbidden. And really, you should make this question to yourself: Was he really your friend? I mean, if it was so easy for him to backstab you...

first of all, itsn ot a rant. I do not hold any grudges to this server anymore since its been like 2 months ago. I found a new server to stay on and thats good. However i felt like i need to share this last impression ARO left on me on this site. I think its a legit Review, even if a lot of stuff could be considered personal opinion.

And... yea he was my friend, at least i thought so. Maybe he just felt as backstabbed as i did.

Tom~

I never said this is a rant per say.
Rants and Rave sectional guidelines
QuoteThis section is a lighter version of the Hall of Shame section.  It aims to discuss negative player experiences or doubtful practice found on servers.  The RMS culture of "proof or it doesn't exist" does not apply in this section.  Members of the community are expected analyze and give opinion on the topic rather than ask for proof.  Topic in this section has a chance to be moved to the Hall of Shame section when situation allows it.
(:
It does not qualify as a review because you're not rating any of the given scores by RMS. You're just sharing your bad experience, which is also good, but it does not belong to this section.
I hope I explained myself better this time.

And so you killed yourself,
but you killed everyone else around you too.

bensei

thanks for clarifying dude. Im used to a  ranters sections being something for whiny fools :P

well if a mod wants to move it there its ok then i guess :)