Anthemro (final review)

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Temjin

Quote from: DeePee on Mar 08, 2010, 01:52 PM

And saying you should just live with it as a GM is easy to say. It can take hours per case to solve something like this. Now imagine a server with hundreds of players who regularly lose their items. Yes, that's easily tens/hundreds of item recoveries, all taking quite some hours each to solve. Doing something like that for free will let players abuse the hell out of a service like that. They will go "Oh, sure you can have these items, the GMs will recover them anyway if you steal them", which can't honestly be good.
The job of a GM is to manage the server, not to solely do item recoveries for players who are dumb enough to lose them all the time. Having to spend all your time doing this instead of working on improving the server is just silly.

Also, I'm just saying there's nothing wrong with a recovery fee in general. This does not per-say mean a recovery fee in terms of real money, but could also be a zeny fee.

The fee is a joke. AnthemRO is a money sucking vortex, and thank you for assuming that I never ran a server(I actually ran three, but who's counting). I know what's involved. And a dedicated Admin who isn't in it for the cash and the cash alone would actually go the extra distance.

"Working to improve the server" is a great way to say "Counting your profits", though. Cheers.

DeePee

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Again, I'm not saying it's a good thing to have a real money fee (I mean, $2.5k, wtf?) and not assuming you never ran a server. Merely that it's good to have some kind of fee to slap stupid players in the face with, to prevent them from abusing the service.

Also, just so you know. aRO has been in financial trouble for some time now, owner sold his own car and yet the server has been up for over 3 years. Running as one of the only Aegis servers out there has its costs, which none of the eAthena server owners here will ever face.

P.S. Having managed 3 servers is not exactly something to be proud of. That is, unless you managed them at the same time, as separate projects. I mean, if you ran a server with a similar amount of players as aRO (which is needed to get a good understanding about the amount of support tickets), I doubt you'd have to run another two. Unless all three died, of course.

Also, sorry for derailing the topic ;<

Judgement

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xKyriex

Quote from: DeePee on Mar 08, 2010, 01:01 PM
There's nothing wrong with an item recovery fee.

First problem is that it's a fee. Donations are meant to support the server, but to have an alternate method of gaining money like this...

...I sense greed. O.o

DeePee

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Players don't have to use the service. It's their own fault if they lose their items. They can also just suck it up and start over like on 99% of the other servers.

The donation madness has everything to do with the server's past and running on Aegis. They should've switched long time ago...

GorthexTiger

Here is where I get MY kicks out of this:

Quote from: DeePee on Mar 08, 2010, 01:52 PM
There's nothing wrong with an item recovery fee.

Ok, great, we've established an opinion.

Quote from: DeePee on Mar 08, 2010, 05:36 PM
Again, I'm not saying it's a good thing to have a real money fee (I mean, $2.5k, wtf?) and not assuming you never ran a server. Merely that it's good to have some kind of fee to slap stupid players in the face with, to prevent them from abusing the service.

That's called an account & IP ban.

Quote from: DeePee on Mar 08, 2010, 01:52 PM
Usually it's people who are stupid enough to share their password or lend out their gear and lose their stuff like that.

This I will agree with. 98% of all "scams" and "hackings" are the result of sharing account information. The ony real "hacking" incident that last occured I remember is something along the iRO hackings way back when.

Quote from: DeePee on Mar 08, 2010, 01:52 PM
Their accounts and items are their responsibility. If they break these rules by lending out items or sharing passwords, it's their own responsibility. [/b]

Exactly, if they share out their account info, they do so at their own risk.

Quote from: DeePee on Mar 08, 2010, 05:36 PM
Also, just so you know. aRO has been in financial trouble for some time now, owner sold his own car and yet the server has been up for over 3 years. Running as one of the only Aegis servers out there has its costs, which none of the eAthena server owners here will ever face.

Yet, he CHOOSES to run an Aegis server. If he switches to eAthena, he wouldn't incur even HALF the costs he has now, if Aegis is really that "intensive" as everyone says it is.

95% of the RO population doesn't even now the damned names of the emulators running the server, let-alone know the difference between Aegis & eAthena.

Quote from: DeePee on Mar 08, 2010, 01:52 PM
Also, I'm just saying there's nothing wrong with a recovery fee in general. This does not per-say mean a recovery fee in terms of real money, but could also be a zeny fee.

http://www.anthemro.com/forums/index.php/topic,13.0.html

All listed in US currency ($).

For someone who JUST sold his car, and is having financial issues, and from what you've stated here:

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It can take hours per case to solve something like this.... Yes, that's easily tens/hundreds of item recoveries, all taking quite some hours each to solve.

I find it somewhat perplexing...this, conundrum you've presented us.

The owner selfishly sold his car so he could continue hosting the server...

Yet, doesn't do item recoveries for free?

It could take HOURS to do a few item recoveries, yet it takes MONTHS of saving money in order to get a car.

That makes no sense: if someone is going to sell their car for something, which is worth at minimum, probably 2 months of saving: they aren't going to do a few hours for legit item recoveries?

I find that very hard to believe.

Quote from: DeePee on Mar 08, 2010, 01:52 PM
The job of a GM is to manage the server, not to solely do item recoveries for players who are dumb enough to lose them all the time. Having to spend all your time doing this instead of working on improving the server is just silly.

Yet he's doing it.

And last I checked, he's running Aegis (as everyone wants to kindly remind us of that). Aegis is VERY hard to update, and last I checked, they were on episode 12.1 something. They haven't had a very good update in a LONG, LONG, LONG time.

So besides him picking up extra cash from item recoveries, Anthem isn't updated, & this is a rage thread because the OP got banned.

QQ I'm outta here.
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Green

Actually, I see an item recovery fee for items lost through the players own stupidity (read as account sharing, rather than a rollback), to be the most effective motivator to not be stupid that I can think of.

GorthexTiger

Quote from: Green on Mar 08, 2010, 06:15 PM
Actually, I see an item recovery fee for items lost through the players own stupidity (read as account sharing, rather than a rollback), to be the most effective motivator to not be stupid that I can think of.

You find 2 mystical genies.

Both have the power to do anything.

1 Genie offers to give you back whatever you lose of your own stupidity, for a hefty fee.

The other, vows that he will never give you back anything that you lose from your own stupidity.

Which one is worse?


HINT: One is an archtype played by the leading religion in the United States. And we know how bad their history is D:
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Green

If they have the power to do -anything-, screw wasting it on items.

GorthexTiger

Quote from: Green on Mar 08, 2010, 06:54 PM
If they have the power to do -anything-, screw wasting it on items.

You've selected option B: the genie that doesn't give a s*** about your personal problems.

Great choice :D
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Temjin

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Quote from: DeePee on Mar 08, 2010, 05:36 PM
Also, just so you know. aRO has been in financial trouble for some time now, owner sold his own car and yet the server has been up for over 3 years. Running as one of the only Aegis servers out there has its costs, which none of the eAthena server owners here will ever face.

Nobody forced them to use AEGIS. Therefore, it's their own damned fault for putting themselves in a financial hole. And if the admin really did sell his car, I think I'll just let that speak for itself...but then again, I'm guessing he would only do that knowing that the server would make enough money to get another one very, very soon.

Less obvious, but no better than Ancyker.

Judgement

Pay2play server. Lol.  No one has to donate anything to play the game.  The GMs need to pay over 2k per month or so for the server.
The recovery system crap is something the GMs don't have to do, but they do it since they can get some money for the recovery fee.
Who cares if there's donations, recovery fees, and other "profitable" services in the server?  Besides, it's the player's choice if they
really want to donate to the server, or pay for certain services.
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xKyriex

Quote from: Judgement on Mar 08, 2010, 07:23 PM
The GMs need to pay over 2k per month or so for the server.

Wut?

Judgement

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adhelle

It's a nightamare to recover lost items. May take hours. And players lose it because they are stupid enough to share accounts or to lend items to their shemale girlfriend. But I simply do not see charging a fee to do it with good eyes.