ninja build

Started by vittordevitto, Sep 05, 2007, 12:35 PM

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vittordevitto

for final strike.. what are teh main skills for get lv?
and what is the atributes?
and what kind of weapon i use?

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for magic ones...
is it true that lv 1 ice spear is good enought?? are u guys sure about that?

Kurogasa

In final strike build.. normally you lvl with throw kunai lvl 5. Attributes.. str matters most.. max hp matters alot also. Get hp cards for more damage.. adding a huge amount of vit wont be as noticable unless you get tao gunka card though. Weapon is normal pvp weapon. 4os with hydras/skel workers(if its for pvp).

for magic, yes lvl 1 ice spear is good enough... if you get frozen water skill you still need to get lvl 5, but using it at lvl 1 is still best for damage per second. Also use Exploding dragon.

Ultima66

Lvl 1 ice spear is good if you're not devoted to magic. If you're going to be maining magic then you'll max both ice spear/all your fire skills/whatever other magic you feel like you'll use. Personally I think magic build is a lot better, since it just does a LOT more damage (find me a sniper that does more DS than a HW's JT and I'll believe otherwise).

Fire Blossom can ohko Geographers, which are a good training spot, so that's probably your best bet with enough int. They don't hit you either.

vittordevitto

so.... magic ninja does more damage than the final striker? hmmm...

Kurogasa

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1 hit damage can be half decent with fs but not worth it without tao gunka imo.. unless you play a pvp server(pvp on all maps) and just want to assassinate people. FS is effected by not only anti human gears but also armor+vit defense.... as well as having a Ranged penalty on woe(which makes it useless in war for the most part). The good parts are that its insta cast and has a range(9 tiles i think.. maybe 5).

Magic is ok but i disagree with the above poster. Even for a pure magic build ice spear lvl 1> any other lvl ice spear. It does 3 hits and has very low cast time+NO(or almost none) aftercast. With enough dex, that = hitlock. Fire dragon is your heavy damage skill as a magic nin. Kamaitachi is ok in precast with a sg wiz but if theres a bard fire dragon beats it there too. For training use fire dragon on stings or in guild dungeons.

vittordevitto

whats an good amount of dex? i play low rate, max 99

Kurogasa

well i would say 75 minimum for magic. More is preffered though. Just get your cast speed to how you like it for whatever it is you wanna do. Int needs to be as high as possible though imo. Maybe not the maximum breakpoint but the one before that. Your int = your life when youre using cicada to survive. You still need vit to resist statuses tho.

Ultima66

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I'd kill monsters with lvl 10 Ice Spear, and use a higher lvl of Ice Spear if you can get a lot of dex (with bless and dex equips you can get like 125 without much difficulty and that's enough to make higher lvl Ice Spear good).

Obviously using low level Ice Spear uses more mp to do the same damage as a high lvl Ice Spear, but it's not that big of a difference for Ice Spear compared to other skills.

EDIT: 129 dex with Nimble Gloves and AoA. If you get 6 dex food you only take 1 second to cast lvl 10 Ice Spear.

Kurogasa

1 second is a long time.. and using food for pvm isnt extremely practicle. Hitlock=win.. then again you shouldnt be using ice spear to lvl at all at high lvl... only mid lvl on high orc.

vittordevitto

both u guys have nice points, let me see if i understood u:

1- lv 1 ice spear has the hightest damage per second
2- lv 10 ice spear is good to get lv

^_^, hmmmm....

since i want the thunder spell,,, i would say that lv 1 ice spear is not bad,,,

but then again... lv 10 and lex seens more effective, dont u think so??

XD~~

Kurogasa

For lvling.. you really wanna use fire dragon. Lvl 1 ice spear is good for spamming high orcs(and some other monsters, since its bugged and does way more damage than it should) but on semi normal rates it will take forever at high lvls. One could argue that ice spear 1 uses more sp than ice spear 10, but if you consider that the hitlock of ice spear 1 allows you to move away as you rain damage on your enemy... you see that the sp is reletively the same. See if you use ice spear 10 youll mostlikely be getting hit once per cast.. causing you to rebuff cicada much more often. In a non reset server, ice spear 10 is wasted in most cases as well.

Let me explain a bit about ice spear. Its "Supposed" to do less damage than most bolt skills including flaming pedals. I believe the number was 70% matk per hit. They wanted it to do full damage(100% per hit) ONLY when you cast it while standing on the "Water Escape Technique" skill. The problem is it never was propperly implemented and from what i understand, still isnt on the official servers. So it now does 100% per hit reguardless of the water escape skill. That may seem like a small jump, but when you consider that lvl 1 ice spear does 3 hits per cast(unlike any other lvl 1 bolt) AND has almost no after cast delay at all(unlike all mage bolts) coupled with low cast time... You see that you now have a skill that does 90% more damage than it should and is fast enough to lock an enemy in place. This is why people use it so often.

If you use it at a higher lvl, its not much better than normal bolt skills.

vittordevitto

well what i tried to say is, lv 10 is good with lex aeterna

well so it's always 100% damage... but if i step in the water thing, will it be 130? *.*

uovixa0140

just joining in, you both have good points
well i'll just say i got freezing spear at lvl 5 and flaming petal to 10 and i will be getting both Exploding Dragon and Snow Flake Draft
plus i got Blazing Shield maxed out
it's true, freezing spear 1 could lock your enemy into place, having no after cast delay is like hyper-spamming /omg
plus you still have cicada skin shed if they managed to get close to you

Ultima66

Well it does depend a lot on your other skills. If you want to get a lot of skills that aren't attacking (Shadow Jump and Cicada Skin Shedding are both really nice skills), and you also want to invest in some wind skills, then you probably shouldn't max Ice Spear. Though if you skip wind, you can easily max Ice Spear, and you'll love it during WoE when Magic Strings is on.

Well you could be using Fire Dragon, but it's really hard to guard against both Fire Formation and Ice Spear at the same time. Oh, the Clown will like it when your Fire Formation protects him from melee attacks at the same time.

vittordevitto

i see, i guess i will do lv 1 ice spear ^^

Kurogasa

Quote from: vittordevitto on Sep 12, 2007, 02:08 PM
well what i tried to say is, lv 10 is good with lex aeterna

well so it's always 100% damage... but if i step in the water thing, will it be 130? *.*

Nah the bonus doesnt work at all. Ice spear has no changes while in water evasion. Maybe in the future it will be fixed to work the way it was meant to but that will also nerf ice spear(dropping it down to 70% without Water Evasion).

Someone made a good point about using two elements at once so enemys couldnt guard against it well. Thats true.. the thing is fire formation isnt really a serious damage dealer in war. It is very good for slowing enemys down though... especially if they have undead armor on(they take some decent damage then). Water evasion is great for this purpose as well but your teamates get slowed by this too.. thats mainly why people choose fire formation over water evasion. If all of your teamates are in front of you though, drop water evasion in the back so you buy some time.. water evasion is also nice at the flag spawn point if an enemy guild owns the castle.

Anyway back to fire form and dual elementing. The thing is since fire form doesnt do much damage, it will still serve its purpose as a slowdown mechanism even thought youre using the same element as your damage dealer(fire dragon). Ice spear 10 would do nice damage in magic strings but consider this:

What armors do people entering a precast wear? Marc or undead. Marc has a slight resistance against water and undead would take 50% MORE damage from fire.

Also Fire dragon hits many enemys while ice spear is single target... this would help slow down people in the precast rather than just slowing down one. If someone does wear fire armor to combat your fire dragon+formation the sg will abuse them for 3 hits(doing double damage) then freeze them. Furthermore, as a ninja one of the best things you can do in a precast is to make a little Evasion water off to the side so a wiz can fire waterball at the most dangerous people who come in. You only need Water Evasion lvl 4 for a wiz to be able to use a max power waterball from it. Max waterball will most likely 1hit anyone with fire armor on.





vittordevitto

yeah... it's rought to make a ninja build, there's no 100% right or wrong...

but for now i am lv 61

int 78
dex 38

got fire dragon 5, fire blosom 5, formation 7, ice spear 1 and sicada 5....

but now... i don't know what to get... to many doughts....

i think i will get lv 10 fire formatio.. but i am not really sure if i need it... ><

Kurogasa

Id leave fire formation at 7 and get lvl 4 water evasion (which requires ice spear 5)  . If you ever have a Waterball wizard on your side it will be very usefull to make ammo for them. You can also use it for slowinging in cases where fire form isnt suitable.. especially if you get it to higher lvls for a larger area.

vittordevitto

well i plat woe with my hight wiz, so... i will leave this build oly for pvp and lving

but i agree i should get it, i may reconsider y build

shinrohan

hey im lookin for the best PVP ninja i want it 2 be a magic ninja can anyone help me ?