GUNSLINGER SUCKS read more

[Dean Stark]

Gawd, you guys just don't want to acknowledge it, eh? GSes ARE subpar.

If a skilled player uses a novice, he can probably kill a noob with a trans class too. That does not mean that novices aren't subpar, is meant for PvP, is great at killing and surviving.

Desperado 50k damage, and Full Buster killing spree my foot. Really. Either your opponents have a negative IQ or they are really, really undergeared. Like wearing Tuxedo to WoE. Okay, I'm exaggerating, but still.

And can you guys stop with the "No class sucks, it's up to you to play it well"? It doesn't make you look any more intelligent, clever, whatever. GS is subpar, it's the truth, in a purely -trans classes outclasses it in all areas- sense. Someone might kill trans classes with a GS, but does that mean it isn't subpar? NO! It just means that the player is skilled. A 110% effort from the player, while being fully disadvantaged using a subpar class.

Zyaber is right. Completely bullcrap indeed. And even if you guys have epic gear, you do understand that heaping those gear on a trans class is much, much more wise and effective?

dude, i'm sorry to say this but my post was actually against to what you say... to me, you're one of those elitist ppl who would rather avoid classes like GS and only prefer servers w/ only trans chars w/ trans only gears...

what i'm trying to say was that i don't want to see servers where ppl think RO is ONLY based on PVP/WOE. as far as i go, that's how you look at things...

and then you say, you'll "try" a GS. why not actually play it seriously? unless of course, you can't stand losing in PVP or dying in maps/dungeons and would rather go for, oh say, your PRO TRANS PWN MACHINE!

anyways i enjoy RO as a whole and not solely for WOE/PVP purposes even when using them so-called "crap" classes

[Anti-Static Foam Cleaner]

I am pretty sure extended classes are balanced to be somewhere between 2nd jobs and trans.

Why, on Valkyrie there's quite a few ninjas and taekwons for that very reason, and some of them are literally wiping the floor with undergeared 2nds in WoE.

[fluidin]

Yes, I prefer WoE/PvP chars only. No, I don't think RO is based on WoE/PvP only.

Look. This is where you're wrong. Why do people want to play a game? Because they wanna have fun. Am I right? Now, fun means different things to different people. Some think WoE is fun, some PvP, some PvE, some think playing a subpar class is fun. If I think that an elitist server is my idea of fun, is that a sin? I won't deny that GS is fun to some players, all I'm trying to say is that it is subpar to trans classes.

I think GSes are cool, but I'm not going to try them, because it is a fact they do not function well at all at top tier WoE. If I play a GS, I'm not having fun. And I play a game to have fun! Now do you get it? I do NOT think RO is based only on those 2 aspects! It's just that I play RO solely for those 2 aspects.

And in this thread, I'm only trying to say that: "Look. I know you're having fun with that subpar class, but please don't try to make it sound more than what it really is". That's all.

[Dean Stark]

well that's good to hear... cause a lotta ppl are tem so-called elitists, glad you agree that GS's DO NOT SUCK and that you agree that RO ain't only about WOE/PVP... it's ppl like these (not you ok?) who think that GS's should never exist in a server...

[CookieEater]

Desperado 50k damage, and Full Buster killing spree my foot. Really. Either your opponents have a negative IQ or they are really, really undergeared. Like wearing Tuxedo to WoE. Okay, I'm exaggerating, but still.

You missed two little words in my post. They said 'without reduction'. Since WoE isn't everything and some people actually do PvM at level 99/70, not to mention that not every class has access to all reduction gear, I always refer to unmodified damage. I personally never do WoE because my CPU does not live through it without seizures of epic proportions.

And I too will agree that Gunslingers are below the standard of Trans Classes. As I addressed in my previous posts, they're left behind on many points. For PvP/WoE there are obviously better options if you want to get a high win chance. For PvM they provide good damage and fun nonetheless.
I only said that they're not pure crap, as some people desperatly try to proclaim. Not saying that you are, you actually seem to be quite reasonable despite the tone of your writing.

[Dean Stark]

Not saying that you are, you actually seem to be quite reasonable despite the tone of your writing.

off-topic

was that for me? cause well i'm just tired of the majority of ppl trying to monopolize RO for themselves making them think they're gods and all. saying that classes that aren't the most wanted in pvp/woe do suck and that they look down on others far too much. always aypping that they're the best blah blah blah even though they use guides and such. it's just this inconsiderate and the feeling of being an elitist atmosphere that's making me like this... sorry if it bothers you and sorry if it wasn't meant for me either

[Sarin]

Just for all those saying OMG GS SUX. It's not the class but the player that matters. Any class is playable if the player is good enough.

[Rudolph Zyaber]

Just for all those saying OMG GS SUX. It's not the class but the player that matters. Any class is playable if the player is good enough.

and what we're saying is that if two players of equal skill play a GS vs Name any other class, more than half the other classes will kill the GS.

Like I said earlier, I like the GS class, it has some useful skills,  Fling being one of them, especially during MVPing, also Disarm is debilitating, taking some classes out of the fight altogether from a safe range if they don't have FCP on.  They also have some half decent DPS. 

What I'm trying to argue is that skills, stats and concept-wise, the class is just fundamentally flawed.

[Dean Stark]

What I'm trying to argue is that skills, stats and concept-wise, the class is just fundamentally flawed.

my BIGGEST prob is... what's w/ the +7 luck bonus? pretty useless...

[Sarin]

Just for all those saying OMG GS SUX. It's not the class but the player that matters. Any class is playable if the player is good enough.

and what we're saying is that if two players of equal skill play a GS vs Name any other class, more than half the other classes will kill the GS.

Like I said earlier, I like the GS class, it has some useful skills,  Fling being one of them, especially during MVPing, also Disarm is debilitating, taking some classes out of the fight altogether from a safe range if they don't have FCP on.  They also have some half decent DPS. 

What I'm trying to argue is that skills, stats and concept-wise, the class is just fundamentally flawed.

So...since full support priest will eventually lose to almost anyone, are you saying that it is flawed because of that? Not every class is straightforward 1on1 killer. GS is more like fire support, relying on his teammates to keep enemies off him. He has high ranged damage, and better direct disabling capabilites at range than sniper. Again, I say it's about how you use the class.

[fluidin]

@dean: that post was meant for me, lol.

@cookie: i was having a bad day, hence the tone. Sorry if i offended anyone.

@sarin: you do realise that those 2 points are worth nothing in woe? Gs damage in woe is at best negligible. And disarm is useless. Fcp owns all such skills. 

[Sarin]

you haven't seen a damage good GS can done, did you? Bullet shower, desperado and shotgun frenzy are VERY powerful when used properly. Or, for example...gatling GS, with breeze card in his gatling? Bleeding for everyone...bullseye skill can be used to try coma on very tough opponents, etc...anything is possible, you just have to find the way.

[Hutchy]

To summarize~

Gunslingers, as a class, can't really surpass fully-geared trans classes. However, they're fun to play.

Yup.

[CookieEater]

@cookie: i was having a bad day, hence the tone. Sorry if i offended anyone.

You are forgiven. Have a cookie.

[Dean Stark]

well my bad then 

find it funny that someone was talking to me since i'm kinda new here hehe