can you determine the homun's fate for the first 10-20 level?

Started by boxGloom, Feb 17, 2013, 07:11 AM

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boxGloom

I checked on irowiki's homun stats part and it shows on a scale of 3 for getting stats. So would you say that the first levels below 30 are an indicator that the homun is not on top tier?

Triper

Officials are different from pservers.

In pservers, the stats are random but you can see +/- when the values are going bad by personal experience with the max values achieved over the years with the tons of players playing the game. You can search here, at the forum, some topics with screenshots of homunculs@99 already showing +/- what they're in terms of stats.

I would say that, at lv 70, it's enough to know if the hom you're lving is good or not[in some cases, a lv 50 is more then enough]. Some types also depends on the evolution. A bad one can ruin a extremely good hom since it will remain good instead of awesome :(

For an awesome[based on what I've seen and played]:
- vanil it's 99 evolved with 1k+ matk to be decent and stats not +/- the same in everything, it should be focused in some, not all since all near the same means a insta bad vanil. It should also have near 10k hp at least, more the better. Flee is an extra good stat too since it's possible to have 230+ in one with high matk and hp
- lif it's 99 evolved with 180+ int with mc on along 180+ aspd[i'm sure that it's possible to get a 12k HP, 187 aspd and 2k matk[with mc on] with the experiences made with them]
- filir should be 180+ aspd and 300+ flee along highest atk possible[never played much with them so dunno what it's exactly the right values but i think there is a topic, here, where I posted a good one with all the buffs on]
- amistr should be high def with 11k+ hp along 800+ atk[never played much with this too but I've seen some from friends and I've seen one with 1k atk along 12k hp]

boxGloom

My Homun has good to amazing stats but I tried to do the search and barely find anything to keep an Amistr other than being a tank. Does anyone have a homunVShomun video or some flick showing how good Amistr is. I already saw an MVP Vanil and pretty sure a Filir and Lif can pull it off but I would like to see a Blust-Amistr as an MVP.

Triper

The massive problem with homunculus is their def/mdef. It's not gear def/mdef, it's something like status def/mdef like vit def and int mdef. The dmg is reduced in entire value like 100 vit means -100 dmg that the homuncul takes.

While in some cases it can be awesome and you can mob an entire map->hide->wait homuncul to kill everything[you can do it easy on mavka's map on some corners with 10+ monsters to check this] due to that fact because you get 0 dmg from monsters or just 1 most of the time because it's a plain -reduce dmg value, vs monsters that hit hard like MVPs or mini-bosses, that have nasty skills and status that ignore that, it will be like butter and melt on an hot summer.

Amistr does have high vit and hp but due to pretty much no flee, on mvps, it's just tank with high hp, wait for aggro with some "heavy" hits and that's all. This also happens with others homunculus but the others have some backup stuff or the flee to last a tiny bit more.

I personally have killed some mvps with an evolved lif lv99 but it needs to be either a low tier one or be lucky so the lif can dish the last hits without drop dead and the heal from mvp not screwing her. It's fun at the begin but after a while it's boring since it takes quite a while to do it :\

I think that the way to do it with an Amistr would have to be lucky and get some decent aspd to make use of the high atk because aside that I can't see them last enough time vs them.

Fruit Pie~

Quote from: boxGloom on Feb 22, 2013, 01:45 AM
My Homun has good to amazing stats but I tried to do the search and barely find anything to keep an Amistr other than being a tank. Does anyone have a homunVShomun video or some flick showing how good Amistr is. I already saw an MVP Vanil and pretty sure a Filir and Lif can pull it off but I would like to see a Blust-Amistr as an MVP.
For MVP you're better off with any of the other three, but if you enjoy PVP the Amistr is the best support a Creator can get. Castling is absolutely amazing and basically fixes the Creator's main problem in small scale PVP - mobility. (Lif does that too but it loses a lot of points due to being demi-human)

But yeah, if you're going strictly vs environment the Amistr is subpar.