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Quote from: Blinzer on Nov 09, 2016, 11:51 PMThe basics, man. Whitesmith can reach 189 aspd with a 69 AGI build, which makes it have the strongest DPS in the entire game. The problem is how vulnerable it is in the approach because debuffs mess it up really bad, but that's why you don't send the WS in until you have coverage of the classes that debuff him. You do have to play around the class to bring out its potential in WoE, but if they have one and you don't you're going to lose."Outpot your damage" You crack me up, kid. Whitesmith is the only class in the entire game that you can't outpot the damage of in WoE. How many years have you played this game again?
Quote from: ggwp on Nov 10, 2016, 03:37 AMEither you drop STR to 100 from usual 120 total and reduce your DPS by 10% and cutting 20% damage per swing. Or you reduce Vit and get stunned every time. Strongest DPS without god's in the entire game is aspd 190 Creator with Bragi.
Quote from: Zereges on Nov 09, 2016, 08:16 AMOk, I meant serious paladin, who is devotion paladin. You can't catch him, he has chicken (peco). He would be only laughing at you. Even if he let you catch him, you would do easily pottable damage.Assassin has cloak and even if you could catch him, he has much more health than you think.In order to do high damage, you have to sacrifice reductions - weapon (damage weapon vs. combat), garment (Giant Whisper vs Ray/Nox), Headgear (Atk Bapho vs Def Bapho), Boots (Shackles vs health)Obviously 99/70 pre-renewal, 190aspd, 150 instant cast, 0.2s delay, basic stuff server, with godlike items and MVP cards disabled.WS is not class meant to do anything on WoE/BG at all. Not a damage, not a support, not an option.I might be able to find a WoE video of our guild playing melee characters with boosted WS (With soul link, he was immune to dispell).
Quote from: Blinzer on Nov 10, 2016, 04:46 AMNeither. A 20% stun immunity on headgear(stalactic golem in vanilla? can't remember) is enough to make you immune with 80 vit, you don't need even need orc hero card(OH always goes to sniper first). Valk Armor does the same thing. It's also interesting that you mention Ice Pick, because out of the 3 weapons a WS needs to have, Ice Pick is the least important.
Quote from: Kyo-Kusanagi-aka-GuessWho on Nov 10, 2016, 05:03 AMPlease duede. PLEASE. Who would really take giant whisper card and sacrifice Raydric card if you can get additional ATK by Box of Resentment or Aloevera? WHO?
Quote from: Zereges on Nov 10, 2016, 03:01 PMVitality and stun immunty from gear does not stack additively. You need to have either 100% from gear, or 97 vit (eathena)Well, someone who can afford it, can switch or whatever.BTW, Please duede. PLEASE. Who would really, apart from profesor and sinx wear raydric in WoE/BGs full of LR damage?I've just used calc and full buffed whitesmith, with full damage equip would do ~10k dps to noob, prior to dispell and about 4k after dispell. With reduction equip, you would do even less. And this still assumes, that the noob would be standing still.
Quote from: Zereges on Nov 10, 2016, 08:24 PM+7 Giganto Axe[Hydra]+5 Ice Pick[Hydra] (90vit, 35def)resulting damage was pretty much same.
Quote from: Kyo-Kusanagi-aka-GuessWho on Nov 11, 2016, 03:21 AMBut Hydra card doenst increase the damage of ct. Percent items and cards like Racial and Size cards (ignoring the ATK gained from Size cards), The Sign, Zealotus Mask and the Turtle General card do not affect this skill.Only ATK increase its damage like Zipper bear card.
Quote from: Zereges on Nov 11, 2016, 03:41 AMOh, I forgotten. But The damage would be ~same.
Quote from: Zereges on Nov 10, 2016, 03:01 PMVitality and stun immunty from gear does not stack additively. You need to have either 100% from gear, or 97 vit (eathena)
Quote from: Blinzer on Nov 11, 2016, 02:46 PMYeah, but a stun that lasts 0.05 seconds is no stun at all. BTW, giant axe on WS isn't that good. Only good as a quick grab to have some decent damage output within 2 days of joining a server.
Quote from: ggwp on Nov 12, 2016, 12:53 AMStun duration is 5s , with your 80 Vit + stalactic it will last around 1s.How many years have you played this game again?
Quote from: Kyo-Kusanagi-aka-GuessWho on Nov 11, 2016, 05:09 AMWell, if you dont even know or forgot that racial cards dont boost the damage of CT, maybe the rest of your equip was wrong too. I guess that.Now, if I was mean, I could use this against you or make fun of it, but Im not going to.^^Btw. my tip is: Use parts of BG equip, many many people underestimate it.Also, zipper bear would increase the damage for sure.
Quote from: Kyo-Kusanagi-aka-GuessWho on Nov 11, 2016, 05:09 AMAlso, I dont know what people expect CT's damage to be. You dont need to make 6k or 5k hit with each CT. Making 4k hit is also okay, people just wont understand that his DPS and and his rate of damage need just to be high enough that enemies cant heal them fast enough.CT is not for one hitting everyone, I get the feeling that everyone expcts them to be one hitters.
QuoteWell, who plays LK in woe lol
Quote from: Blinzer on Nov 12, 2016, 01:35 AMI am sniper only, so I never concerned myself with these problems since the Orc Hero card always went to me. I don't remember nor care about the math behind stuns, but I will attempt to reverse engineer the random bits of memory I have of my friend talking to me about it for your sake.I think it was either 80 or 86 vit, but let's go with 80 vit(I can't even remember if bonus vit counts towards immunity, but job levels provide +6, +3 vit food, +1 from valk armor) = 90 vit + valk armor and stalactic golem providing a 70% resistance. If bonus vit applies that leaves a low a chance of being stunned for 0.15 seconds, which is not enough to stop a CT hit lock from happening. Even if bonus vit doesn't apply, I'm sure that by tweaking and manipulating other things you can reach the conclusion and find out how he did it yourself. Vanberk Card and Cursed Hand were also crucial elements to his build to allow you to have enough stat points, so make of that what you will.One last thing. If you want to prove your worth so badly that you would throw away your humanity and subject yourself to petty commenting, sheathe your sword and challenge me instead. We share the same fate, and I won't allow you to take what I use and dishonor the name of human beings like that.
Quote from: ggwp on Nov 12, 2016, 09:14 AMStun reduce gears reduce STUN RATE , duration still same so 0,5s.Since you say to use cursed hand, your WS build at most you only can use 1 MoH / Bison combo. You need 20% aspd gear and around 10 more agi to reach 189 with axe. To get that either you have Doppleganger + bison set / moh (highly unprobable) or you use +10 HF with MoH. Good luck rushing people without any demi human reducts because vanberk + stalactic means you dont use demi reducts headgear.