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#41
Server Discussion / Re: What happened to NovaRO ch...
Last post by 2k2 - Nov 27, 2023, 02:03 PMQuote from: Playtester on Nov 27, 2023, 12:50 PMNow if you could only buy untradable costumes, then that's not P2W, even by modern definition of the term.Exactly.
Nobody complains about cash shop. If servers want to to sustain the project through donations, that's fine, but put them untradeable.
People complain about anything on cashshop being tradeable, because that means you could literally start playing a 10 years old server and within 10 minutes become the richest player in the server, if you have the money (or are simply stupid enough to support greedy pigs like p2w server owners).
Any server allowing direct or indirect exchange of real-world money to tradeable currency or zeny is p2w. It's basically am official RMT done by the server itself.
Using the excuse "but you can acquire it ingame too!!!" is the stupidest thing ever because it's totally the same thing taking hours/days/years to acquire something some rich/stupid kid could get in seconds, right?
#42
Server Discussion / Re: What happened to NovaRO ch...
Last post by Playtester - Nov 27, 2023, 12:50 PMQuote from: Sachimi on Nov 27, 2023, 11:13 AMJust curious, but why do people think that the definition of "P2W" has changed to include donations that don't give you an advantage?These days the definition of P2W includes getting advantage by being able to trade items from the cash shop.
So let's say there are only costumes in the shop. If you can sell them for Zeny, that's already P2W because you can basically just buy Zeny and from the Zeny you can buy any item from other players that gives an advantage.
Now if you could only buy untradable costumes, then that's not P2W, even by modern definition of the term.
That people call a server taking donations in general greedy is a bit different topic in my opinion. I would say in this case it's more of a perceived legal thing that if you already "steal" someone else's product, it should remain a fan project and so you shouldn't take any money for it.
#43
Server Discussion / Re: What happened to NovaRO ch...
Last post by Sachimi - Nov 27, 2023, 11:13 AMJust curious, but why do people think that the definition of "P2W" has changed to include donations that don't give you an advantage? For example, donations on Talon Tales do not allow you to get anything that you can't get in-game from zeny or hunting. The Talon shop also is not restricted to only donators - you can trade Talon Coins between players, get them for free by doing a small task each day (Talon Cash to exchange for Coins) or doing some other easy stuff. It literally isn't pay to win because you can't donate to get anything that can't otherwise be acquired in-game by other means. I keep seeing people using Talon's donations as an example of P2W but it simply does not fall under the definition. The only donation item is Talon Coins, and you can get those by farming/daily tasks/minigames/etc.
Also, there seems to be a misunderstanding that just because a server takes donations, it doesn't make them a for-profit business. Charities and other nonprofit businesses accept donations all the time, which are used for the purpose of the business and payment for employees (and sometimes volunteers). How exactly is that "being greedy"? Running a server is generally a full-time job. I know that when I was forced into being the only active admin on Eternity while the owner was MIA, I was putting in 12-14 hours per day on average. Regular GM work, team management, support beyond regular GM access, development, etc. I wasn't paid because the owner was a piece of trash who used the donations for himself and lied to everyone about it. My goal was never to use donations for anything except server upkeep and improvements, but I never had access to them to ensure that was their only use. Regardless, I know I'm not the only one who ran (or wanted to run) a server that way. It's not greedy to accept donations for server use.
Also, there seems to be a misunderstanding that just because a server takes donations, it doesn't make them a for-profit business. Charities and other nonprofit businesses accept donations all the time, which are used for the purpose of the business and payment for employees (and sometimes volunteers). How exactly is that "being greedy"? Running a server is generally a full-time job. I know that when I was forced into being the only active admin on Eternity while the owner was MIA, I was putting in 12-14 hours per day on average. Regular GM work, team management, support beyond regular GM access, development, etc. I wasn't paid because the owner was a piece of trash who used the donations for himself and lied to everyone about it. My goal was never to use donations for anything except server upkeep and improvements, but I never had access to them to ensure that was their only use. Regardless, I know I'm not the only one who ran (or wanted to run) a server that way. It's not greedy to accept donations for server use.
#44
Low Rates / anyone looking for Item Rarity...
Last post by chrcam05 - Nov 27, 2023, 02:26 AMI want to join and have a fun too. 
#45
General Discussion / Re: Ragnarok Preservation Proj...
Last post by Zulf - Nov 26, 2023, 08:48 PMTwo questions:
1. Isn't it better to host a MediaWiki based wiki instead of Fandom? (didn't even Minecraft and Hollow Knight's communities asked people to stop going to Fandom?) IIRC the ads and the layout itself is not good.
2. Is this the same project that have been around like 3~4 times?
1. Isn't it better to host a MediaWiki based wiki instead of Fandom? (didn't even Minecraft and Hollow Knight's communities asked people to stop going to Fandom?) IIRC the ads and the layout itself is not good.
2. Is this the same project that have been around like 3~4 times?
#46
Server Discussion / Re: RagnaHeim!?
Last post by CordialLamp - Nov 26, 2023, 07:10 PMJust look up the Reddit thread about Ragnaheim.
Tells you all you need to know.
https://www.reddit.com/r/RagnarokOnline/comments/15mj0v0/will_anyone_play_ragnaheim/
Tells you all you need to know.
https://www.reddit.com/r/RagnarokOnline/comments/15mj0v0/will_anyone_play_ragnaheim/
#47
Server Discussion / Re: RagnaHeim!?
Last post by MjaoZor - Nov 26, 2023, 03:02 PMI have also been there for a month. After 2 weeks I went on a rant in discord including " I would love to see the server grow I just really don't see that happening with a hallow shell of a server. Only thing that seem consistent is the rotation of donations which is rather sad. Is any of these things in the process of being changed? Showing people actual player numbers, existing staff?"
Admin since then have been just as absent. Donations were indeed updated. People quit because there is no staff. Last weekend was suppose to be first SE WoE no castle was announced, WoE did not happen, FE did one guild with 5 people held the castle whole WoE 0 competition. Yesterday was suppose to be second time of SE there is still no word from the admin. In fact I asked days ago with @staff on discord when BG happy hour was so we could get ready for it, there has yet to be a response. This week also only had the same one guild during the whole hour. Not a single person tried to break not a single soul. Catch you on the next one.
I said it then and I say it now, I would love for this server to grow it just can't happen on its own.
Quick edit: They IP banned us today after posting this and a review of the server. Cya all back at Alfheim!
Admin since then have been just as absent. Donations were indeed updated. People quit because there is no staff. Last weekend was suppose to be first SE WoE no castle was announced, WoE did not happen, FE did one guild with 5 people held the castle whole WoE 0 competition. Yesterday was suppose to be second time of SE there is still no word from the admin. In fact I asked days ago with @staff on discord when BG happy hour was so we could get ready for it, there has yet to be a response. This week also only had the same one guild during the whole hour. Not a single person tried to break not a single soul. Catch you on the next one.
I said it then and I say it now, I would love for this server to grow it just can't happen on its own.
Quick edit: They IP banned us today after posting this and a review of the server. Cya all back at Alfheim!
#48
General Discussion / Ragnarok Preservation Project
Last post by HalcaRO - Nov 26, 2023, 02:58 PMJust a quick post to say it's back and will be for the foreseeable future! 
Many thanks for all those who supported us.
Wiki: http://ropp.fandom.com
Discord: https://discord.gg/X3PyqKSHDp
Many thanks for all those who supported us.Wiki: http://ropp.fandom.com
Discord: https://discord.gg/X3PyqKSHDp
#49
Server Discussion / Re: RagnaHeim!?
Last post by Zulf - Nov 26, 2023, 11:55 AMQuote from: iixe on Nov 26, 2023, 06:52 AMGetting a 2nd hardware just in order to bypass a restriction that is unnecessarily in first place is the dumbest s*** Ive read this week.
Yet I have seen it done done since 2005.
#50
Server Discussion / Re: RagnaHeim!?
Last post by iixe - Nov 26, 2023, 06:52 AMGetting a 2nd hardware just in order to bypass a restriction that is unnecessarily in first place is the dumbest s*** Ive read this week.
