Quote from: LuffySab on Yesterday at 04:31 AMKudos again, to this server for taking actions against Macro/AFK/Bot.
Quote from: LuffySab on Yesterday at 04:31 AMYou can see the hate the server is taking, after their approach and the final update they made 2 days ago really cracked this down...the GM showed many proof of active players in dungeons and fields since then....guess what? There were many different jobs other than previously 99% Arch Mages...
and all of them played normally, even responded quickly when GM unhided herself. (unlike before, the GM had to recall the macro farmers and gave them up to 20 seconds to respond, in order to evade a ban.)
Quote from: Metan on Dec 09, 2023, 07:53 PMI'm kind of confused. Did they also disable Creamy Card? As otherwise nerfing/removing FW doesn't seem like a big deal at all.
The Genie NPC is kind of cute, though. Botters figured out how to solve such queries over a decade ago (and that's why reCAPTCHA has been so damn annoying for years now), but they thought this old practice would stop bots nowadays...
Quote from: Metan on Dec 08, 2023, 10:57 AM[...]Definitely a thing in RO already, although not nearly as common as in other MMOs/WoW-copies, especially in these 2 specific regions I mentioned (and yeah, thanks for reminding me about SEA, forgot to add that region as it's even more prone to have this kind of stuff for RO specifically).
I wouldn't be surprised if it's already a thing in RO, and it simply isn't known to the general public due to a language barrier. As an example, I know some SEA servers actually host seasonal WoEs and they reward winning guilds with hard cash, in dollars, which, to my knowledge, is restricted to them (for now?).
I don't think Gravity will move an inch to stop this, as long as their IP isn't endangered.
Quote from: ForgotMyOldAccount on Dec 08, 2023, 09:10 PMReading your post was a wild ride. GETTING RID OF FLYWINGS as a way to counter bots? What a weird way to go about it. What about Gepard Shield or some kind of packet encryption?ikr!
Quote"this is a good prevention. nice!", i thought.
Quote from: ForgotMyOldAccount on Dec 08, 2023, 12:40 AMIf you think normal players doing this "for fun" instead of money aren't getting incredibly toxic and salty in-game, you are frankly just wrong. I know many annoying and disgruntled players who get upset over losing with NO IRL stakes involved. You seriously overvalue the mental health of gamers who turn to Ragnarok Online for an outlet from their rather stressful lives.Of course not. I'd be lying if I said that I have never met any player who did not engage in RMT and was nonetheless competitive to a fault. But note that I'm talking in general terms: normal players, who don't do RMT, range from ego-tripping guilds and sweaty MVPers to casual guilds and Prontera tilewarmers, and every other player in between who may not be as serious, or as casual. Also note that even the most competitive player in this is having fun in his own way, because if he's not making real money out of this, then he's releasing pent-up stress, making a name for himself, using it as escapism or something; even if it makes him completely unhinged as a result, in some cases.
Quote from: 2k2 on Dec 08, 2023, 09:43 AMRegular players are also the kind of be more prone to report bugs and exploits to help the game become better and help in the long-term, whereas the trashy RMTer will 100% be exploiting it looking for quick gains despite knowing how much it's hurting the game and its future.Again, think of it in general terms. It doesn't mean that normal players wouldn't abuse and stay shut (some will indeed give in to temptations), but that not everyone will exploit it, whereas RMTers will never report it.
Quote from: ForgotMyOldAccount on Dec 08, 2023, 02:38 AMYes, exactly. But the issue is botting itself which requires more rigorous in-house security tools and cheating prevention software, not actual RMT. If players couldn't bot then RMT wouldn't be an issue to begin with. Classic case of attributing blame to the wrong issue.Zeny for money really is the most common form of RMTing... but there's more to it. Endgame gears which are drip-fed to the market due to monopoly (like Bio3 or WSM drops), or a fully geared dude who's quitting and wants to make some money out of it, or relevant mini/MVP cards are also ripe for RMT. Regarding the last two, what's interesting about this sort of RMTing is that even an otherwise normal player could engage in it. As in, if one day you're blessed by RNG and you get some MVP card which is worth at least a thousand dollars, like a GTB, or if you're quitting, you're full +7/+9 and it's a lively server, you might feel tempted. It won't make you a monster (which doesn't mean you're not breaking rules) if you do it.
Quote from: 2k2 on Dec 08, 2023, 09:43 AMIn the past few years, it seems to be getting more and more common and accepted on brazillian and Russian non-RO game servers where the staff has their own RMT channels and fully allow players to either sell directly to other players (at their own risk, scamming allowed, so trade at your own risk), or with the staff mediating it where it's the only safe way to do it.I wouldn't be surprised if it's already a thing in RO, and it simply isn't known to the general public due to a language barrier. As an example, I know some SEA servers actually host seasonal WoEs and they reward winning guilds with hard cash, in dollars, which, to my knowledge, is restricted to them (for now?).
Beyond disgusting. Hopefully gravity burns the private server scene down before this sh*t arrives at RO.