AndromedaRO's not paying and vilifying attempt

[Zigizo]

Well, you gave him an inch and he attempted to take a mile.

[andromedaragnarokonline]

My attitude? Then you got to do a lot of explaining Mr. Rose Tea, do you know who i am? To say that? Unprofessional? So are you? Now im seeing group of friends now

[andromedaragnarokonline]

If what you have posted was very clear then I'll leave this to the Admins and Moderators.

Show these though:
1. Show proof of mistakes that I have made, if these are flux tables then they are not valid.
2. And also proofs that I have changed our agreement without you acknowledging it.
3. Name of the client that I asked for the return of the project (Hyvraine V1) [if he wanted to..--]
4. Proof that I agreed with helping you throughout these problems like in Asura or uploading files for you or changing stuffs for you for only $100.

Edit: If you can't show any of these within an hour or even if you did but wasn't valid, I demand him to be put to the Hall of Shame and have this topic closed.

He goes by the name of KimurA, with a skype name of xongpapa

Are you insane? Thats why i hired someone to build a Web for my RO, because it's beyond my knowledge. Then you will tell me to show your own mistakes? Changing of agreement? What i have posted was very clear, name the client?  it was very clear on our converstion that you claim it to someone. What you say about the number 4 was true, but that was the only thing i asked for help outside our deal. You're funny, you can call all your RMS friends and comment here to help you clean the mess you made

[Cawliflower]

Can we put him on the Hall of Shame, Triper? I totally notion this or second it (if someone already has). This is beyond crazy and it was borderline crazy until he posted a bank account number... that's a no-no.

Please... do us a favor and close your server. You, my friend, are not qualified to own anything much less a RO server.

[RoseTea]

I don't have any explaining to do: I don't run a private server (such as AndromedaRO).  I have no reason to be professional because I'm just a poster on an internet forum.

I know who you are, though.  You're the person who runs AndromedaRO and directly called a person he worked with a "stupid piece of s***" on a public forum.  Instead of handling the situation at all like an adult, you went on to make a bunch more directly insulting posts, using plenty of curse words and "fail" exactly far too many times, and also gave out that person's bank information before it got edited out by a mod.

That's how I know you, and that's how anyone who ever reads your posts is going to know you as.  It doesn't even matter if you're "in the right" or not, this is how you chose to present yourself.  This is forever representative of yourself and your server.

[Tom~]

So, was the reason he took down the site the fact that everyone noticed the blatant copy, or because of that + the fact that he hasn't paid the designer 1 cent for the work done?

And honestly, I feel a lot more inclined to believe Hyvraine's side of the story because he posted screenshots of the development of the site to backup every single claim he made, and the fact that he has managed to remain calm while all AndromedaRO's admin has been doing is cry and curse at anyone who disagrees. Boohoo!

I'm not one of his RMS friends (I didn't even know he existed until your post in TalonRO's thread) but it's not hard to tell who's telling the truth and who isn't.

[kenshn111]

He lied about a lot of things.

If what you have posted was very clear then I'll leave this to the Admins and Moderators.

Show these though:
1. Show proof of mistakes that I have made, if these are flux tables then they are not valid.
2. And also proofs that I have changed our agreement without you acknowledging it.
3. Name of the client that I asked for the return of the project (Hyvraine V1) [if he wanted to..--]
4. Proof that I agreed with helping you throughout these problems like in Asura or uploading files for you or changing stuffs for you for only $100.

Edit: If you can't show any of these within an hour or even if you did but wasn't valid, I demand him to be put to the Hall of Shame and have this topic closed.

He goes by the name of KimurA, with a skype name of xongpapa

Are you insane? Thats why i hired someone to build a Web for my RO, because it's beyond my knowledge. Then you will tell me to show your own mistakes? Changing of agreement? What i have posted was very clear, name the client?  it was very clear on our converstion that you claim it to someone. What you say about the number 4 was true, but that was the only thing i asked for help outside our deal. You're funny, you can call all your RMS friends and comment here to help you clean the mess you made

You hired me to build a web for your RO, with your suggestions and persistence. Unforunately, you never hired me to become your helper (someone who uploads, deletes, edits files for him). Don't you have one already? Oh and, you never paid me! "Sure buyer" huh, didn't even pay on the agreed date.

"Then you will tell me to show your own mistakes?" Of course! How can you claim something if it's not real? But it's too late now, you're over the one hour limit that I gave you. There's a possibility you've messed around it already.

If it was clear about me selling it to someone and then taking it back, go ahead and search for the client. All my other clients' servers are posted in my topics (RMS, Hercules, rAthena) unless they asked me not to. You could even post on those forums for help! Good luck on that though!

Since he said on #4 that it was correct, seems like I was right! His claim here, is false! This part here is about the issue with AsuraHosting (Starts around line 426: http://pastebin.com/Li1fYRGB , and before those lines)
 

Now the story started to change.. At this conversation, you can see that he's changing what we have on  the deal about the 100$ project, and that was very clear at the very beginning of our conversation.
http://pastebin.com/bvEhwSvV

He also lied on his first post:

Good Day Everyone! I made this topic to tell you about this Guy(Hyraine) and  the best fail Web Service. Recently i am looking for someone who can design my RO Web for a cheap price, then i found this Guy(Hyvraine) appeared on my google search.

Tagalog:

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[6/25/2013 6:55:11 PM] Hyvraine: Pano mo ba ako nakita?
[6/25/2013 6:55:26 PM] Roan PapaXong: may nag refer lang sakin ng e mail mo sir
[6/25/2013 6:55:31 PM] Roan PapaXong: di ko na maalala nga eh
[6/25/2013 6:55:33 PM] Roan PapaXong: hinahanap ko
[6/25/2013 6:55:42 PM] Roan PapaXong: sa isang facebook ko na pang RO lang
[6/25/2013 6:55:49 PM] Roan PapaXong: eh sa dami ng kausap ko dun
[6/25/2013 6:55:53 PM] Roan PapaXong: di ko na mahalukay

English Translation:

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[6/25/2013 6:55:11 PM] Hyvraine: How did you find me?
[6/25/2013 6:55:26 PM] Roan PapaXong: Somebody referred your e-mail to me
[6/25/2013 6:55:31 PM] Roan PapaXong: I can't remember who
[6/25/2013 6:55:33 PM] Roan PapaXong: I'm looking for it
[6/25/2013 6:55:42 PM] Roan PapaXong: In my other facebook that is for RO only
[6/25/2013 6:55:49 PM] Roan PapaXong: With a lot of people I'm talking to there
[6/25/2013 6:55:53 PM] Roan PapaXong: I can't dig it up anymore

Another one:

And another thing, do you know how long my Web Project gets done? It's 8 days now, and still a lot of mistakes and s*** etc.

[6/22/2013 7:23:51 PM] *** Hyvraine sent aro.rar aro.rar ***

As I've said in my paid services topic, I do integration in 2-4 days unless its really complex. The 'project' started in the afternoon 6/19/2013. He counted and included Tuesday last week until Yesterday.

You even posted my bank account details, shame on you!

What else could you be lying about? Or probably in your future posts?

Edit: Anyway, he is basically reporting my services a failure despite the fact that he didn't pay for it.

[andromedaragnarokonline]

About the referral, i wasn't sure about my answer. If you can see "i can't remember" which is i was thinking if he is the Guy from the Google or the one in Facebook. Its okay if you're trying to make it big  . About uploading the files in the host and asking for help i admit it from the beginning i tried to ask for some help. And i offered you to just surrender the Web Work, and just buy one of your available Flux Integration to fixed everything. What did you told me? You said that i need to Pay the other one in able to purchase your available Flux Integration. And do you still remember what you told me from the beginning about your services, you make the Website first and wait  until the client agrees with the design, and im afraid that if i send you the money you will ignore me and will not fix the errors on my website, the way you treaded me as a client and because i pay you only 100$. At first if you really dont want my 100$ you should not let me please you, and you should not agree with me. Yes, you've send me the files of your Web Work Crap without paying you first, the day you send me the files and uploaded it, i noticed too much errors on it after uploading, which is your job to fix it, but it gets worst. You broke your own rules Mr. Hyvraine, by sending me first the files without your money, which isn't my problem anymore. Like i said i've offer you last day not to use it and just surrender it, but still you want me to pay it O.O

This is his words before we start the project. Him, telling to me that he will make the Project first so if the client wants it then it's a deal.
http://pastebin.com/ec8kseZf

You want me to pay you for that kind service you've given me? Luckily i didn't send you the money, God lead me this way:-)

[Mootie]

ops what a nice  drama 

[Boreas]

.... doesn't change the fact that the design was copy pasted from TalonRO.

[Saiku]

*sigh*.

First: You never paid. (From Hyvraine's post)
Second: You demand a help which is out of the agreement (From your post and Hyvraine's)
Third: You wanted a design looks like TalonRO after he made couple design scratch for you.
Fourth: You're blaming it on him that TalonRO wanted you to be in HoS?

Nice one. Me and 2 of my friends actually worked with him. 2 free services (before he made Hyvraine Designs), and 1 after he made Hyvraine Designs. The first two are fine without problems. No complaint. The third one, which I referred him to my friend, have little bit of problem, although it's fixed by him nicely within 1 day. (Yes he was kinda rushed for the first design, then he decided to **** it and make a nicer design without any additional cost). So basically out of all these accusations or anything, I trust Hyvraine more than you, a new user that registered to rant about Hyvraine's service that basically is your fault.

You want me to pay you for that kind service you've given me? Luckily i didn't send you the money, God lead me this way:-)

Really? lulz. The whole point of start the project first is a DESIGN SCRATCH. See if you like it or not.

It's on Hyvraine's first post in this thread or you can click the spoiler:

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later that night I sent this to him: http://i.imgur.com/auKTWI4.jpg
but he didn't like it, he prefers it to be simple just like on talon, he doesn't like transparent styles and he prefers it to be simple just like on we.are-o.net

but he also didn't like the man beside and the background and he suggested some, so here's the next preview:
http://i.imgur.com/kcysiU0.jpg

he suggested something, to it be like talon's and asked if he could make his banners in flash, something that I don't do so I declined

[6/19/2013 10:08:12 PM] Hyvraine: Hindi siya flash, pero nagiiba din siya (kahit ilan mo gusto)
He misunderstood this as something for free, that I'll do 3+ banners for free. The deal was already $60 off. shameless.

after his suggestions, this came up: http://i.imgur.com/g5Cd4Jv.jpg
and then this.. http://i.imgur.com/UXHDFLV.png
..http://i.imgur.com/YJ28ivf.png

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so this came up: http://i.imgur.com/LDL6Tsw.png
..http://i.imgur.com/IPk5rVt.png
something that made him happy


he wanted the banners to be like in talon's
http://i.imgur.com/UsJK2o7.jpg

but he asked for a bigger one
http://i.imgur.com/49eaL4J.jpg

and that was the last preview for that night

but I needed to sleep so when I woke around 8-9AM
http://i.imgur.com/MpbQgFO.jpg

this was the time that I used talon's banners because I figured it would save the time to know the size if I just downloaded it and downloaded 2 more so that i'd know if the slider worked

and then he suddenly said that he didn't like the bg, that the thing he sent to me wasn't a good idea (talking about the girl and the bg)

this came up..http://imgur.com/CTUFDvH

now he's looking for an alternative woman for the background, i sent him the valkyrie which he liked so we used it

so this happened: http://i.imgur.com/iqT364x.jpg
and then more previews and blahs

http://i.imgur.com/B5aTeM6.jpg

the point is, I made something which I think suited for a $100- of course the theme was not yet final since I'm doing designing and coding at the same time since he needed it by friday but the problem was he doesn't like my designs and wants something like talon so I made everything look like talon because he wants it to be

When he sent you the .rar which have FluxCP and the design + integration, YOU are supposed to SEND the money. It's a finished work.
Right now you have the files, it's a complete deal, send the money -> easy enough?
If you didn't do this, in this case you didn't. You are technically scamming Hyvraine. Which leads to, HoS no?

Until this point, you haven't provide any proof that he's wrong. Every post Hyvraine made it just making you "lose" this argument. So show some proof maybe?

Ps: ******** tagalog. English translation would be nice.

Also agreed with Cookie. don't even try to open a server when you want something alike with TalonRO design and blaming it on the designer. hey you got $60 discount from him, even my friend only got $20. You should be grateful yo.

[andromedaragnarokonline]

Mr. Saiku, i know you're Hyvraine's friend, also you just repeated the same question  which i answered already 
I'm done answering those things, anyway im tired of explaining im just waiting for Hyvraine's confirmation if he wants me to show everyone here his Piece of Crap, upload it so everyone can download the file. So now tell me the scamming issue you were talkin to? Try reading the previous comments  before posting anything, because you dont know what you're saying 

[kenshn111]

About the referral, i wasn't sure about my answer. If you can see "i can't remember" which is i was thinking if he is the Guy from the Google or the one in Facebook. Its okay if you're trying to make it big  .

I'm not making it big, but you were so sure that you found me on Google. You should've put "not sure" or "found him on Google or Facebook through a friend" but you were so sure.
[//quote author=andromedaragnarokonline link=topic=25667.msg161712#msg161712 date=1372171618] The date is: Tue, 25 Jun 2013 14:46:58 GMT

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[6/25/2013 6:55:11 PM] Hyvraine: How did you find me?
[6/25/2013 6:55:26 PM] Roan PapaXong: Somebody referred your e-mail to me
[6/25/2013 6:55:31 PM] Roan PapaXong: I can't remember who
[6/25/2013 6:55:33 PM] Roan PapaXong: I'm looking for it
[6/25/2013 6:55:42 PM] Roan PapaXong: In my other facebook that is for RO only
[6/25/2013 6:55:49 PM] Roan PapaXong: With a lot of people I'm talking to there
[6/25/2013 6:55:53 PM] Roan PapaXong: I can't dig it up anymore

You never said whether you found me on Google or Facebook. Or that you were not sure..

About uploading the files in the host and asking for help i admit it from the beginning i tried to ask for some help. And i offered you to just surrender the Web Work, and just buy one of your available Flux Integration to fixed everything. What did you told me? You said that i need to Pay the other one in able to purchase your available Flux Integration. And do you still remember what you told me from the beginning about your services, you make the Website first and wait  until the client agrees with the design, and im afraid that if i send you the money you will ignore me and will not fix the errors on my website, the way you treaded me as a client and because i pay you only 100$. At first if you really dont want my 100$ you should not let me please you, and you should not agree with me. Yes, you've send me the files of your Web Work Crap without paying you first, the day you send me the files and uploaded it, i noticed too much errors on it after uploading, which is your job to fix it, but it gets worst.

You broke your own rules Mr. Hyvraine, by sending me first the files without your money, which isn't my problem anymore.

Like i said i've offer you last day not to use it and just surrender it, but still you want me to pay it O.O

(first bold) Obviously. ._. You never paid me on the agreed date, why should I trust you still?
(second) I fixed the problems on a Sunday, Monday passed and there was no money given. Your reason is because of the patcher that you just suddenly asked, am I right?
http://pastebin.com/1Eri10yi

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[6/24/2013 2:20:52 PM] Roan PapaXong: di ako umabot sa ermats ko eh
[6/24/2013 2:20:59 PM] Roan PapaXong: sir sabi ko nga sayo
[6/24/2013 2:21:03 PM] Roan PapaXong: iikot na lang namin diyan pera
[6/24/2013 2:21:07 PM] Roan PapaXong: sm molino
[6/24/2013 2:21:36 PM] Hyvraine: ow
[6/24/2013 2:21:54 PM] Roan PapaXong: sm molino na lang
[6/24/2013 2:21:57 PM] Roan PapaXong: taena
[6/24/2013 2:22:00 PM] Roan PapaXong: para kang bayarang pokpok eh

It says there in the conversation that he was too late in giving his father the money, most probable reason is because of the patcher. Because earlier that day, actually it was Saturday that I said that I'll be out on Sunday and next week, he suddenly asked for a patcher.


AND THAT DELAYED THE PAYMENT, AM I RIGHT?


(third bold)
If there were a lot of errors then why didn't you post it earlier (in my time it's actually yesterday so..) claiming something without proof is just basically lying!


(fourth)
Indeed I have broken my rules, and if this isn't your problem anymore as you haven't really paid me anything then what gives you the right to make this topic and blame everything to me?


(fifth)
Of course I want you to pay it, I wasted time, electricity, and effort to do what you asked. If you can't pay then get ready for the GM Hall of Shame (and probably Server HoS if it exists, considering that he copied talon's rules.. didn't pay me for the services that he asked)


Anyway,

This is his words before we start the project. Him, telling to me that he will make the Project first so if the client wants it then it's a deal.
http://pastebin.com/ec8kseZf
You want me to pay you for that kind service you've given me? Luckily i didn't send you the money, God lead me this way:-)

Here's the translated deal, you're the one who broke the deal.

[6/19/2013 10:42:44 AM] Hyvraine: Wait, are you sure that you're going to pay P4284.51?
I'm not accepting down payments eh. I first make a design, send you a preview of it, and if you liked it and I'm done with it you're going to send me the money while I'm sending you the files.

That's why I use paypal D:
[6/19/2013 10:43:16 AM] Roan PapaXong: sir i really don't have paypal
[6/19/2013 10:43:23 AM] Roan PapaXong: sir where do you live?
[6/19/2013 10:43:26 AM] Roan PapaXong: maybe we're not far from each other
[6/19/2013 10:43:31 AM] Roan PapaXong: so I could just give it to you
[6/19/2013 10:44:21 AM] Roan PapaXong: if you can't then bank's the only way
[6/19/2013 10:46:15 AM] Roan PapaXong: sir?
[6/19/2013 10:48:30 AM] Roan PapaXong: (waiting)
[6/19/2013 10:52:56 AM] Roan PapaXong: sir please reply
[6/19/2013 10:52:57 AM] Roan PapaXong: sir

The service was already done the moment I sent you the files, unless the files itself has the problem then I need to fix them. But a lot of stuffs were out of the deal (like in Asura, making me a login BG and a patcher)

Why are Filipinos like this dammit

[kenshn111]

Mr. Saiku, i know you're Hyvraine's friend, also you just repeated the same question  which i answered already 
I'm done answering those things, anyway im tired of explaining im just waiting for Hyvraine's confirmation if he wants me to show everyone here his Piece of Crap, upload it so everyone can download the file. So now tell me the scamming issue you were talkin to? Try reading the previous comments  before posting anything, because you dont know what you're saying 

It doesn't matter if I'm their friend or not, why do you need to tell us that? Lmao.

Scamming is indeed the issue here, you never paid the services you asked. Define scamming please?

Now I'm not going to say anything about the last line, because clearly your IQ is something as little as.. wait I can't find it.

How old are you by the way? 16? 17? With that childish attitude and lack of knowledge in hosting a server that just makes everyone want to kill you, you should be around 12 or 13 lmao.

[DeuxeVonL]

It never goes well when you're asked to copy (or reference, another fancy way of them asking for you to copy) another server design. My advice to you, on how to avoid this in the future.. don't accept these type of requests. You could save yourself a lot of time, and trouble.

I also would advise you not to hope to gain your money from your client. I think this is one of those issues that could have been handled quietly between Hyvraine, and Andro.

Maybe I expect too much.