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Title: AndromedaRO's not paying and vilifying attempt
Post by: andromedaragnarokonline on Jun 25, 2013, 10:46 am
Good Day Everyone! I made this topic to tell you about this Guy(Hyraine) and  the best fail Web Service. Recently i am looking for someone who can design my RO Web for a cheap price, then i found this Guy(Hyvraine) appeared on my google search. So i added him on Skype, talked to him and approach him about my Web needs. He asked me about the Web i want, i showed him Talon RO as our" reference". At first he doesn't agree because of my low budget, then i tried to please him. Suddenly he agrees with my offer, and everything was clear about the project so he stared to do the design etc etc. At first it goes well, but suddenly at the middle of Web Work, he started to limit everything, and doesn't go to the exact project that we discussed. And another thing, do you know how long my Web Project gets done? It's 8 days now, and still a lot of mistakes and s*** etc. He threatened me that if im not goin to pay him, he's gonna do some long story posting here on RMS. Because he send me the files which is just a piece of crap, now Mr. Hyvraine i dare you to comment on this topic. Or you want me to upload the Web Work s*** you made?:-)


http://forum.ratemyserver.net/paid-services/hyvraine-designs-(fluxcp-integration-patcher-skins-and-many-morelt3)/ (http://forum.ratemyserver.net/paid-services/hyvraine-designs-(fluxcp-integration-patcher-skins-and-many-morelt3)/)  /hmm  /hmm  /hmm
Title: Re: Hyraine's Design and Fail Service
Post by: Triper on Jun 25, 2013, 11:49 am
NOTE: Just to people know, this is related to http://forum.ratemyserver.net/rant-and-rave/andromedaro-website-stealing/ (http://forum.ratemyserver.net/rant-and-rave/andromedaro-website-stealing/)
Title: Re: Hyraine's Design and Fail Service
Post by: kenshn111 on Jun 25, 2013, 07:43 pm
Hey andromedaro! Why didn't you post the whole story?



Please bear with my English.


Tuesday, June 18th he inquired for my services, so I gave him my other works. He asked how much would be the price for a site something like

[6/18/2013 1:48:03 PM] Roan PapaXong: http://we.are-o.net/?module=info (http://we.are-o.net/?module=info)

I said $100 and he said it's still expensive, when I asked what his budget was it was around $34.28 so I told him to why not look for tutorials so he wouldn't spend anything and I even sent him a file from rAthena which was free. I saw another designer which in his topic says $35 for the design and integration if I'm not mistaken but unfortunately they were inactive so I just told him to wait for next week because I'll be releasing some of my resell type designs and just make his content of the index prettier so that people will be interested to join.

But he insisted, and asked for the peso equivalence which was
[6/18/2013 2:32:56 PM] Hyvraine: P4284.51

sa coinmill ako nagbase

But he said that he's tight on money so he said sorry for the trouble and that he was embarassed.

Conversation for that day: http://pastebin.com/jdQW34FT (http://pastebin.com/jdQW34FT) (in tagalog and english)
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The next day around 9:58AM he came back and again asked for the price of this type of website: [6/19/2013 9:58:54 AM] Roan PapaXong: http://we.are-o.net/?module=info (http://we.are-o.net/?module=info)
which I replied "$100, no resell"
he asked for a little reduction but that was my last price so I declined (from $160)

he then asked if the price was the same for talonro which I said yes and that there will be some modification

later he asked how the payment is going to be made,

[6/19/2013 10:33:57 AM] Hyvraine: I only accept payments through Paypal
[6/19/2013 10:34:05 AM] Roan PapaXong: oh s***

but he asked if he could just pay through the bank
he asked how much the down payment was but I said that I do work first and if you like it I'm going to send the files while he's sending the payment that's why I use paypal

but he asked for where I lived, he said his and I said mine and asked if we could just meet up but I declined because I don't want that. and then he asked if we could just add our real facebook since we 'aren't really that different' and that he couldn't find anybody and that his budget is low so that we could start the project

after that I needed to go somewhere to buy something, he sent me a message that I should do it but I asked him if he was sure about the money he's going to pay me ($100) he said yes about that

later that night I sent this to him: http://i.imgur.com/auKTWI4.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/auKTWI4.jpg)
but he didn't like it, he prefers it to be simple just like on talon, he doesn't like transparent styles and he prefers it to be simple just like on we.are-o.net

(click to show/hide)

but he also didn't like the man beside and the background and he suggested some, so here's the next preview:
http://i.imgur.com/kcysiU0.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/kcysiU0.jpg)

he suggested something, to it be like talon's and asked if he could make his banners in flash, something that I don't do so I declined

[6/19/2013 10:08:12 PM] Hyvraine: Hindi siya flash, pero nagiiba din siya (kahit ilan mo gusto)
He misunderstood this as something for free, that I'll do 3+ banners for free. The deal was already $60 off. shameless.

after his suggestions, this came up: http://i.imgur.com/g5Cd4Jv.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/g5Cd4Jv.jpg)
and then this.. http://i.imgur.com/UXHDFLV.png (http://i.imgur.com/UXHDFLV.png)
..http://i.imgur.com/YJ28ivf.png (http://i.imgur.com/YJ28ivf.png)

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so this came up: http://i.imgur.com/LDL6Tsw.png (http://i.imgur.com/LDL6Tsw.png)
..http://i.imgur.com/IPk5rVt.png (http://i.imgur.com/IPk5rVt.png)
something that made him happy


he wanted the banners to be like in talon's
http://i.imgur.com/UsJK2o7.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/UsJK2o7.jpg)

but he asked for a bigger one
http://i.imgur.com/49eaL4J.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/49eaL4J.jpg)

and that was the last preview for that night

but I needed to sleep so when I woke around 8-9AM
http://i.imgur.com/MpbQgFO.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/MpbQgFO.jpg)

this was the time that I used talon's banners because I figured it would save the time to know the size if I just downloaded it and downloaded 2 more so that i'd know if the slider worked

and then he suddenly said that he didn't like the bg, that the thing he sent to me wasn't a good idea (talking about the girl and the bg)

this came up..http://imgur.com/CTUFDvH (http://imgur.com/CTUFDvH)

now he's looking for an alternative woman for the background, i sent him the valkyrie which he liked so we used it

so this happened: http://i.imgur.com/iqT364x.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/iqT364x.jpg)
and then more previews and blahs

http://i.imgur.com/B5aTeM6.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/B5aTeM6.jpg)

the point is, I made something which I think suited for a $100- of course the theme was not yet final since I'm doing designing and coding at the same time since he needed it by friday but the problem was he doesn't like my designs and wants something like talon so I made everything look like talon because he wants it to be

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when we were done, and since it was on a Saturday evening and the banks are already closed I was doubting that he would pay me so I didn't give out the files since someone still haven't sent the money

And since the banks are closed on a Sunday he offered a meet-up, something I don't want to do and then he suddenly said things like

"you're like a prostitute, pay first before action"

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he said stuffs like that a lot of times

and then he said that I'm rejecting those who are a sure buyer

(click to show/hide)

but then I still sent the files, something that I shouldn't have done

And here's another thing, he asked me to do a login BG! for free apparently since he didn't take into account the $5 but it was crap anyway so

Sunday came and there were a lot of errors, I fixed it up immediately

However, on Monday he didn't pay. He made me do a patcher and he was supposed to pay me yesterday for a total of ($122) but he didn't.

Anyways,
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When I was making the patcher ( I had 4 versions I think ) he said that I should just exactly copy Talon's and that he doesn't care

Give me sometime to upload the conversation, since I need to remove my account number

Title: Re: Hyraine's Design and Fail Service
Post by: Cawliflower on Jun 25, 2013, 07:47 pm
Personally, I know many people that have worked with Hyvraine and I've also used him. He's a great designer, and there's no reason why he'd want to copy Talon; seems like this person was persisting and he just was going to deliver what he wanted. It isn't Hyvraine's fault that the client wanted to skin TalonRO and wear it like last year's Versace hand-bag.  /heh
Title: Re: Hyraine's Design and Fail Service
Post by: kenshn111 on Jun 25, 2013, 08:31 pm
He changed his name, not sure why but anyways lol: http://i.imgur.com/4kwU29I.png (http://i.imgur.com/4kwU29I.png)
I personally think that he should be in HoS, copying Talon's Rules lmao. Even if he removed now, he still did it

Here are the logs:
Wednesday: http://pastebin.com/NqYvKcCy (http://pastebin.com/NqYvKcCy)
Thursday: http://pastebin.com/He692Q1P (http://pastebin.com/He692Q1P)
Friday: http://pastebin.com/NfKYzScj (http://pastebin.com/NfKYzScj)
Saturday: http://pastebin.com/199zimZY (http://pastebin.com/199zimZY)
Sunday: http://pastebin.com/2ChqDGFM (http://pastebin.com/2ChqDGFM)
Monday: http://pastebin.com/1Eri10yi (http://pastebin.com/1Eri10yi)
Tuesday: http://pastebin.com/Li1fYRGB (http://pastebin.com/Li1fYRGB)

Late messages (I just got them now)
Tuesday late: http://pastebin.com/7tnUbTUB (http://pastebin.com/7tnUbTUB)
Wed(just now):http://pastebin.com/kR0uHXxh

Title: Re: Hyraine's Design and Fail Service
Post by: Kimchiii on Jun 25, 2013, 09:35 pm
uuuuh
hard to read it,
so he know that those banners are made for talon, right?
then he cant really blame Hyraine for that o.o
Title: Re: Hyraine's Design and Fail Service
Post by: andromedaragnarokonline on Jun 25, 2013, 09:46 pm
So now you're trying to reverse everything?  Because i didn't pay you, because of your s*** works and decades of work before it gets done ? And clients can't complain on your mistakes? And we have to please you just to fix your stupid piece of sh*t  /hmm  /heh Hall Of Shame? "Because of  the Web Master Sh*t who designed and copy Talon's RO web?" Now that sounds good Mr. Hyvraine. Anyway i found a new Web Master which is really approachable and in a good fair price. Now tell me do you want me to post your Piece of Crap here? So everyone can download and see?

Anyway you can visit my RO Web, i am temporarily using the default Flux CP www.andromeda-gaming.net (http://www.andromeda-gaming.net), soon i will get my new Integration. I start working with the new Web Master today, and he's a lot different from Hyraine's Design and Fail Services  /ok
Title: Re: Hyraine's Design and Fail Service
Post by: Cawliflower on Jun 25, 2013, 09:53 pm
So now you're trying to reverse everything?  Because i didn't pay you, because of your s*** works and decades of work before it gets done ? And clients can't complain on your mistakes? And we have to please you just to fix your stupid piece of sh*t  /hmm  /heh Hall Of Shame? "Because of  the Web Master Sh*t who designed and copy Talon's RO web?" Now that sounds good Mr. Hyvraine. Anyway i found a new Web Master which is really approachable and in a good fair price. Now tell me do you want me to post your Piece of Crap here? So everyone can download and see?

Anyway you can visit my RO Web, i am temporarily using the default Flux CP www.andromeda-gaming.net (http://www.andromeda-gaming.net), soon i will get my new Integration. I start working with the new Web Master today, and he's a lot different from Hyraine's Design and Fail Services  /ok
Nobody is trying to reverse anything, you're just delusional... You persisted on it being TalonRO. How is THAT the designer's fault? He was trying to please the client and you don't seem very easy to work with when you're like "moar talon pls." Come on, stop trying to smear his reputation. You're just pissed off that DeePee caught you in the act of stealing their design, and now to save your terribad reputation you've started for yourself you're throwing Hyvraine under the bus (or trying to). You look messy as hell.

What is even worse is you didn't even pay up.
Title: Re: Hyraine's Design and Fail Service
Post by: Triper on Jun 25, 2013, 10:18 pm
So now you're trying to reverse everything?  Because i didn't pay you, because of your s*** works and decades of work before it gets done ? And clients can't complain on your mistakes? And we have to please you just to fix your stupid piece of sh*t  /hmm  /heh Hall Of Shame? "Because of  the Web Master Sh*t who designed and copy Talon's RO web?" Now that sounds good Mr. Hyvraine. Anyway i found a new Web Master which is really approachable and in a good fair price. Now tell me do you want me to post your Piece of Crap here? So everyone can download and see?

Anyway you can visit my RO Web, i am temporarily using the default Flux CP www.andromeda-gaming.net (http://www.andromeda-gaming.net), soon i will get my new Integration. I start working with the new Web Master today, and he's a lot different from Hyraine's Design and Fail Services  /ok
No need to jump into offensive speech.
If you see that what he says is an huge lie, post your version of the skype logs that show the truth? At least is what you claim, right? If anything is wrong, your own logs should show the evidence and the truth.
Title: Re: Hyraine's Design and Fail Service
Post by: andromedaragnarokonline on Jun 25, 2013, 10:34 pm
Wait now you are titled "Hyvraine's Mother The Protector"  /heh Are you Hyvraine's friend in vile?  /hmm
Caught up? Hyvraine Fail Services copy that Talon RO Slider, do you have any proof about what you're accusing me Mr. Protector? Or you're just trying to show everyone here that you're a good example of a  "Mother Figure" /lv? Aside from that, i was about to Pay him(Monday) luckily i didn't depost  the money to *hides account number*, because Hyvraine Fail services sounds like he wants me to add some $bucks before he started to fix the Piece of Crap he made and he keeps ignoring my messages and making me wait at all times. You can have your Piece of Crap back Mr. Hyvraine, because you might be thinking that i stole one of your Piece Of Sh*t which you can visit my RO Web www.andromeda-gaming.net (http://www.andromeda-gaming.net), i am using right now a temporary Default Flux(Working with a new Web Master)  just tell me, it's only 4MB file size, so everyone can download it here. You'll have the greatest shame of your life  /no1

Yea sure Mr.Triper  /ok

[edit by Triper: Bank accounts numbers aren't made to be shared in public!!]
Title: Re: Hyraine's Design and Fail Service
Post by: andromedaragnarokonline on Jun 25, 2013, 11:05 pm
As you can read it here, from the very beginng of this Project. I asked him how much it will cost me
http://pastebin.com/3wSt5Cpq (http://pastebin.com/3wSt5Cpq)

At this part, you can see that im trying to please him about t he price. Then he said  the price that he wants
http://pastebin.com/RCs6i5Pk (http://pastebin.com/RCs6i5Pk)

Now you can see here, making an agreement for the project worth 100$
http://pastebin.com/0KpRJ5sF (http://pastebin.com/0KpRJ5sF)

 Now the story started to change.. At this conversation, you can see that he's changing what we have on  the deal about the 100$ project, and that was very clear at the very beginning of our conversation.
http://pastebin.com/bvEhwSvV (http://pastebin.com/bvEhwSvV)

Now he threatens me.
http://pastebin.com/5HcN6ELw (http://pastebin.com/5HcN6ELw)

As you can see here, im trying to fix the mess, and just order one of his old designs. And you can see here before, that he asked someone(previous clients) for the return of the project if he wanted to, but wait. Why he doesn't want me to give back his piece of crap? And just buy his old one too greedy.
http://pastebin.com/0jNGP6yt (http://pastebin.com/0jNGP6yt)

What now Mr.Fail Hyvraine?  /ok
Title: Re: Hyraine's Design and Fail Service
Post by: kenshn111 on Jun 25, 2013, 11:23 pm
As you can see here, im trying to fix the mess, and just order one of his old designs. And you can see here before, that he asked someone(previous clients) for the return of the project if he wanted to, but wait. Why he doesn't want me to give back his piece of crap? And just buy his old one too greedy.
http://pastebin.com/0jNGP6yt (http://pastebin.com/0jNGP6yt)

What now Mr.Fail Hyvraine?  /ok


I should just say that I never said that someone bought my Hyvraine V1 and that I took it back. Also, it seems like this person doesn't understand that once something (in this case, a complete flux cp design) is sent, its considered as sold.


Now you can see here, making an agreement for the project worth 100$
http://pastebin.com/0KpRJ5sF (http://pastebin.com/0KpRJ5sF)

That wasn't even an agreement, I was asking if he's sure about paying me $100. You could see that he's waiting for my reply.

Now the story started to change.. At this conversation, you can see that he's changing what we have on  the deal about the 100$ project, and that was very clear at the very beginning of our conversation.
http://pastebin.com/bvEhwSvV (http://pastebin.com/bvEhwSvV)

What deal? The deal was a design and integration that is apparently what you wanted me to do (A TalonRO-like website), helping you with AsuraHosting is a different matter. I thought you had  a helper for that. Did he ditch you?

However, this was yesterday when you're asking me help about the problem you're having with AsuraHosting. I already told you which files, and path so you could delete it. Twice, if I'm not wrong.
But apparently you have no knowledge of deleting files whatsoever, nor uploading, heck even editing!!! Since you said yesterday that you only know how to compile, no source edits whatsover.

His claim about the 'story changing' is false. I sent him the files on a Saturday night, fixed the problems the next day. This claim just happened yesterday, something that isn't part of the deal.

Title: Re: Hyraine's Design and Fail Service
Post by: andromedaragnarokonline on Jun 25, 2013, 11:48 pm
Keep posting your scapegoat Mr. Hyvraine Design and Fail Servces  /ho
What i have posted was very clear and still, you're trying to impose those alibis.
Your lover(Cawliflower) wants me to go to Hall of Shame? With what reason? "The  Piece of crap Project Ft. The Greedy Unpaid Web Hogwart's Magician?" Is that?
Title: Re: Hyraine's Design and Fail Service
Post by: RoseTea on Jun 26, 2013, 12:00 am
If anything, you deserve to go to the Hall of Shame for your attitude here.  Do you have any idea how you look right now to the pile of people who've read this thread since even the couple of hours since it was made?  Why would I, or anyone in the world for that matter, want to play on a server ran by somebody behaving as ridiculously unprofessional you are?
Title: Re: Hyraine's Design and Fail Service
Post by: kenshn111 on Jun 26, 2013, 12:06 am
If what you have posted was very clear then I'll leave this to the Admins and Moderators.

Show these though:
1. Show proof of mistakes that I have made, if these are flux tables then they are not valid.
2. And also proofs that I have changed our agreement without you acknowledging it.
3. Name of the client that I asked for the return of the project (Hyvraine V1) [if he wanted to..--]
4. Proof that I agreed with helping you throughout these problems like in Asura or uploading files for you or changing stuffs for you for only $100.

Edit: If you can't show any of these within an hour or even if you did but wasn't valid, I demand him to be put to the Hall of Shame and have this topic closed.

He goes by the name of KimurA, with a skype name of xongpapa


Title: Re: Hyraine's Design and Fail Service
Post by: Zigizo on Jun 26, 2013, 12:10 am
Well, you gave him an inch and he attempted to take a mile.

Title: Re: Hyraine's Design and Fail Service
Post by: andromedaragnarokonline on Jun 26, 2013, 12:35 am
My attitude? Then you got to do a lot of explaining Mr. Rose Tea, do you know who i am? To say that? Unprofessional? So are you? Now im seeing group of friends now
Title: Re: Hyraine's Design and Fail Service
Post by: andromedaragnarokonline on Jun 26, 2013, 12:45 am
If what you have posted was very clear then I'll leave this to the Admins and Moderators.

Show these though:
1. Show proof of mistakes that I have made, if these are flux tables then they are not valid.
2. And also proofs that I have changed our agreement without you acknowledging it.
3. Name of the client that I asked for the return of the project (Hyvraine V1) [if he wanted to..--]
4. Proof that I agreed with helping you throughout these problems like in Asura or uploading files for you or changing stuffs for you for only $100.

Edit: If you can't show any of these within an hour or even if you did but wasn't valid, I demand him to be put to the Hall of Shame and have this topic closed.

He goes by the name of KimurA, with a skype name of xongpapa

Are you insane? Thats why i hired someone to build a Web for my RO, because it's beyond my knowledge. Then you will tell me to show your own mistakes? Changing of agreement? What i have posted was very clear, name the client?  /hmm it was very clear on our converstion that you claim it to someone. What you say about the number 4 was true, but that was the only thing i asked for help outside our deal. You're funny, you can call all your RMS friends and comment here to help you clean the mess you made /no1
Title: Re: Hyraine's Design and Fail Service
Post by: Cawliflower on Jun 26, 2013, 12:47 am
Can we put him on the Hall of Shame, Triper? I totally notion this or second it (if someone already has). This is beyond crazy and it was borderline crazy until he posted a bank account number... that's a no-no.

Please... do us a favor and close your server. You, my friend, are not qualified to own anything much less a RO server.
Title: Re: Hyraine's Design and Fail Service
Post by: RoseTea on Jun 26, 2013, 12:49 am
I don't have any explaining to do: I don't run a private server (such as AndromedaRO).  I have no reason to be professional because I'm just a poster on an internet forum.

I know who you are, though.  You're the person who runs AndromedaRO and directly called a person he worked with a "stupid piece of s***" on a public forum.  Instead of handling the situation at all like an adult, you went on to make a bunch more directly insulting posts, using plenty of curse words and "fail" exactly far too many times, and also gave out that person's bank information before it got edited out by a mod.

That's how I know you, and that's how anyone who ever reads your posts is going to know you as.  It doesn't even matter if you're "in the right" or not, this is how you chose to present yourself.  This is forever representative of yourself and your server.
Title: Re: Hyraine's Design and Fail Service
Post by: Tom~ on Jun 26, 2013, 12:53 am
So, was the reason he took down the site the fact that everyone noticed the blatant copy, or because of that + the fact that he hasn't paid the designer 1 cent for the work done?

And honestly, I feel a lot more inclined to believe Hyvraine's side of the story because he posted screenshots of the development of the site to backup every single claim he made, and the fact that he has managed to remain calm while all AndromedaRO's admin has been doing is cry and curse at anyone who disagrees. Boohoo! /sob

I'm not one of his RMS friends (I didn't even know he existed until your post in TalonRO's thread) but it's not hard to tell who's telling the truth and who isn't. :)
Title: Re: Hyraine's Design and Fail Service
Post by: kenshn111 on Jun 26, 2013, 03:28 am
He lied about a lot of things.

If what you have posted was very clear then I'll leave this to the Admins and Moderators.

Show these though:
1. Show proof of mistakes that I have made, if these are flux tables then they are not valid.
2. And also proofs that I have changed our agreement without you acknowledging it.
3. Name of the client that I asked for the return of the project (Hyvraine V1) [if he wanted to..--]
4. Proof that I agreed with helping you throughout these problems like in Asura or uploading files for you or changing stuffs for you for only $100.

Edit: If you can't show any of these within an hour or even if you did but wasn't valid, I demand him to be put to the Hall of Shame and have this topic closed.

He goes by the name of KimurA, with a skype name of xongpapa

Are you insane? Thats why i hired someone to build a Web for my RO, because it's beyond my knowledge. Then you will tell me to show your own mistakes? Changing of agreement? What i have posted was very clear, name the client?  /hmm it was very clear on our converstion that you claim it to someone. What you say about the number 4 was true, but that was the only thing i asked for help outside our deal. You're funny, you can call all your RMS friends and comment here to help you clean the mess you made /no1
You hired me to build a web for your RO, with your suggestions and persistence. Unforunately, you never hired me to become your helper (someone who uploads, deletes, edits files for him). Don't you have one already? Oh and, you never paid me! "Sure buyer" huh, didn't even pay on the agreed date.

"Then you will tell me to show your own mistakes?" Of course! How can you claim something if it's not real? But it's too late now, you're over the one hour limit that I gave you. There's a possibility you've messed around it already.

If it was clear about me selling it to someone and then taking it back, go ahead and search for the client. All my other clients' servers are posted in my topics (RMS, Hercules, rAthena) unless they asked me not to. You could even post on those forums for help! Good luck on that though!

Since he said on #4 that it was correct, seems like I was right! His claim here, is false! This part here is about the issue with AsuraHosting (Starts around line 426: http://pastebin.com/Li1fYRGB (http://pastebin.com/Li1fYRGB) , and before those lines)
 
Now the story started to change.. At this conversation, you can see that he's changing what we have on  the deal about the 100$ project, and that was very clear at the very beginning of our conversation.
http://pastebin.com/bvEhwSvV (http://pastebin.com/bvEhwSvV)

He also lied on his first post:
Good Day Everyone! I made this topic to tell you about this Guy(Hyraine) and  the best fail Web Service. Recently i am looking for someone who can design my RO Web for a cheap price, then i found this Guy(Hyvraine) appeared on my google search.

Tagalog:
(click to show/hide)

English Translation:
(click to show/hide)

Another one:
And another thing, do you know how long my Web Project gets done? It's 8 days now, and still a lot of mistakes and s*** etc.

[6/22/2013 7:23:51 PM] *** Hyvraine sent aro.rar aro.rar ***

As I've said in my paid services topic, I do integration in 2-4 days unless its really complex. The 'project' started in the afternoon 6/19/2013. He counted and included Tuesday last week until Yesterday.

You even posted my bank account details, shame on you!

What else could you be lying about? Or probably in your future posts?

Edit: Anyway, he is basically reporting my services a failure despite the fact that he didn't pay for it.

Title: Re: Hyraine's Design and Fail Service
Post by: andromedaragnarokonline on Jun 26, 2013, 04:25 am
About the referral, i wasn't sure about my answer. If you can see "i can't remember" which is i was thinking if he is the Guy from the Google or the one in Facebook. Its okay if you're trying to make it big  /ok . About uploading the files in the host and asking for help i admit it from the beginning i tried to ask for some help. And i offered you to just surrender the Web Work, and just buy one of your available Flux Integration to fixed everything. What did you told me? You said that i need to Pay the other one in able to purchase your available Flux Integration. And do you still remember what you told me from the beginning about your services, you make the Website first and wait  until the client agrees with the design, and im afraid that if i send you the money you will ignore me and will not fix the errors on my website, the way you treaded me as a client and because i pay you only 100$. At first if you really dont want my 100$ you should not let me please you, and you should not agree with me. Yes, you've send me the files of your Web Work Crap without paying you first, the day you send me the files and uploaded it, i noticed too much errors on it after uploading, which is your job to fix it, but it gets worst. You broke your own rules Mr. Hyvraine, by sending me first the files without your money, which isn't my problem anymore. Like i said i've offer you last day not to use it and just surrender it, but still you want me to pay it O.O

This is his words before we start the project. Him, telling to me that he will make the Project first so if the client wants it then it's a deal.
http://pastebin.com/ec8kseZf (http://pastebin.com/ec8kseZf)

You want me to pay you for that kind service you've given me? Luckily i didn't send you the money, God lead me this way:-)
Title: Re: Hyraine's Design and Fail Service
Post by: Mootie on Jun 26, 2013, 05:38 pm
ops what a nice  drama  /ok
Title: Re: Hyraine's Design and Fail Service
Post by: Boreas on Jun 26, 2013, 05:56 pm
.... doesn't change the fact that the design was copy pasted from TalonRO.
Title: Re: Hyraine's Design and Fail Service
Post by: Saiku on Jun 26, 2013, 06:28 pm
*sigh*.

First: You never paid. (From Hyvraine's post)
Second: You demand a help which is out of the agreement (From your post and Hyvraine's)
Third: You wanted a design looks like TalonRO after he made couple design scratch for you.
Fourth: You're blaming it on him that TalonRO wanted you to be in HoS?

Nice one. Me and 2 of my friends actually worked with him. 2 free services (before he made Hyvraine Designs), and 1 after he made Hyvraine Designs. The first two are fine without problems. No complaint. The third one, which I referred him to my friend, have little bit of problem, although it's fixed by him nicely within 1 day. (Yes he was kinda rushed for the first design, then he decided to **** it and make a nicer design without any additional cost). So basically out of all these accusations or anything, I trust Hyvraine more than you, a new user that registered to rant about Hyvraine's service that basically is your fault.

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You want me to pay you for that kind service you've given me? Luckily i didn't send you the money, God lead me this way:-)

Really? lulz. The whole point of start the project first is a DESIGN SCRATCH. See if you like it or not.

It's on Hyvraine's first post in this thread or you can click the spoiler:
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When he sent you the .rar which have FluxCP and the design + integration, YOU are supposed to SEND the money. It's a finished work.
Right now you have the files, it's a complete deal, send the money -> easy enough?
If you didn't do this, in this case you didn't. You are technically scamming Hyvraine. Which leads to, HoS no?

Until this point, you haven't provide any proof that he's wrong. Every post Hyvraine made it just making you "lose" this argument. So show some proof maybe?

Ps: ******** tagalog. English translation would be nice.

Also agreed with Cookie. don't even try to open a server when you want something alike with TalonRO design and blaming it on the designer. hey you got $60 discount from him, even my friend only got $20. You should be grateful yo.
Title: Re: Hyraine's Design and Fail Service
Post by: andromedaragnarokonline on Jun 26, 2013, 07:14 pm
Mr. Saiku, i know you're Hyvraine's friend, also you just repeated the same question  which i answered already  /hmm
I'm done answering those things, anyway im tired of explaining im just waiting for Hyvraine's confirmation if he wants me to show everyone here his Piece of Crap, upload it so everyone can download the file. So now tell me the scamming issue you were talkin to? Try reading the previous comments  before posting anything, because you dont know what you're saying  /wah
Title: Re: Hyraine's Design and Fail Service
Post by: kenshn111 on Jun 26, 2013, 07:28 pm
About the referral, i wasn't sure about my answer. If you can see "i can't remember" which is i was thinking if he is the Guy from the Google or the one in Facebook. Its okay if you're trying to make it big  /ok .
I'm not making it big, but you were so sure that you found me on Google. You should've put "not sure" or "found him on Google or Facebook through a friend" but you were so sure.
[//quote author=andromedaragnarokonline link=topic=25667.msg161712#msg161712 date=1372171618] The date is: Tue, 25 Jun 2013 14:46:58 GMT
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You never said whether you found me on Google or Facebook. Or that you were not sure..


About uploading the files in the host and asking for help i admit it from the beginning i tried to ask for some help. And i offered you to just surrender the Web Work, and just buy one of your available Flux Integration to fixed everything. What did you told me? You said that i need to Pay the other one in able to purchase your available Flux Integration. And do you still remember what you told me from the beginning about your services, you make the Website first and wait  until the client agrees with the design, and im afraid that if i send you the money you will ignore me and will not fix the errors on my website, the way you treaded me as a client and because i pay you only 100$. At first if you really dont want my 100$ you should not let me please you, and you should not agree with me. Yes, you've send me the files of your Web Work Crap without paying you first, the day you send me the files and uploaded it, i noticed too much errors on it after uploading, which is your job to fix it, but it gets worst.

You broke your own rules Mr. Hyvraine, by sending me first the files without your money, which isn't my problem anymore.

Like i said i've offer you last day not to use it and just surrender it, but still you want me to pay it O.O

(first bold) Obviously. ._. You never paid me on the agreed date, why should I trust you still?
(second) I fixed the problems on a Sunday, Monday passed and there was no money given. Your reason is because of the patcher that you just suddenly asked, am I right?
http://pastebin.com/1Eri10yi (http://pastebin.com/1Eri10yi)



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It says there in the conversation that he was too late in giving his father the money, most probable reason is because of the patcher. Because earlier that day, actually it was Saturday that I said that I'll be out on Sunday and next week, he suddenly asked for a patcher.


AND THAT DELAYED THE PAYMENT, AM I RIGHT?


(third bold)
If there were a lot of errors then why didn't you post it earlier (in my time it's actually yesterday so..) claiming something without proof is just basically lying!


(fourth)
Indeed I have broken my rules, and if this isn't your problem anymore as you haven't really paid me anything then what gives you the right to make this topic and blame everything to me?


(fifth)
Of course I want you to pay it, I wasted time, electricity, and effort to do what you asked. If you can't pay then get ready for the GM Hall of Shame (and probably Server HoS if it exists, considering that he copied talon's rules.. didn't pay me for the services that he asked)


Anyway,

This is his words before we start the project. Him, telling to me that he will make the Project first so if the client wants it then it's a deal.
http://pastebin.com/ec8kseZf (http://pastebin.com/ec8kseZf)
You want me to pay you for that kind service you've given me? Luckily i didn't send you the money, God lead me this way:-)

Here's the translated deal, you're the one who broke the deal.
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[6/19/2013 10:42:44 AM] Hyvraine: Wait, are you sure that you're going to pay P4284.51?
I'm not accepting down payments eh. I first make a design, send you a preview of it, and if you liked it and I'm done with it you're going to send me the money while I'm sending you the files.

That's why I use paypal D:
[6/19/2013 10:43:16 AM] Roan PapaXong: sir i really don't have paypal
[6/19/2013 10:43:23 AM] Roan PapaXong: sir where do you live?
[6/19/2013 10:43:26 AM] Roan PapaXong: maybe we're not far from each other
[6/19/2013 10:43:31 AM] Roan PapaXong: so I could just give it to you
[6/19/2013 10:44:21 AM] Roan PapaXong: if you can't then bank's the only way
[6/19/2013 10:46:15 AM] Roan PapaXong: sir?
[6/19/2013 10:48:30 AM] Roan PapaXong: (waiting)
[6/19/2013 10:52:56 AM] Roan PapaXong: sir please reply
[6/19/2013 10:52:57 AM] Roan PapaXong: sir

The service was already done the moment I sent you the files, unless the files itself has the problem then I need to fix them. But a lot of stuffs were out of the deal (like in Asura, making me a login BG and a patcher)

Why are Filipinos like this dammit


Title: Re: Hyraine's Design and Fail Service
Post by: kenshn111 on Jun 26, 2013, 07:31 pm
Mr. Saiku, i know you're Hyvraine's friend, also you just repeated the same question  which i answered already  /hmm
I'm done answering those things, anyway im tired of explaining im just waiting for Hyvraine's confirmation if he wants me to show everyone here his Piece of Crap, upload it so everyone can download the file. So now tell me the scamming issue you were talkin to? Try reading the previous comments  before posting anything, because you dont know what you're saying  /wah

It doesn't matter if I'm their friend or not, why do you need to tell us that? Lmao.

Scamming is indeed the issue here, you never paid the services you asked. Define scamming please?

Now I'm not going to say anything about the last line, because clearly your IQ is something as little as.. wait I can't find it.

How old are you by the way? 16? 17? With that childish attitude and lack of knowledge in hosting a server that just makes everyone want to kill you, you should be around 12 or 13 lmao.
Title: Re: Hyraine's Design and Fail Service
Post by: DeuxeVonL on Jun 26, 2013, 08:14 pm
It never goes well when you're asked to copy (or reference, another fancy way of them asking for you to copy) another server design. My advice to you, on how to avoid this in the future.. don't accept these type of requests. You could save yourself a lot of time, and trouble.

I also would advise you not to hope to gain your money from your client. I think this is one of those issues that could have been handled quietly between Hyvraine, and Andro.

Maybe I expect too much.
Title: Re: Hyraine's Design and Fail Service
Post by: kenshn111 on Jun 26, 2013, 08:19 pm
I'm not hoping anymore for my money, I just want my reputation to be cleared (in case it got damage because of this).

The fact that my bank account was given.. wow.. can I sue him for that? LOL.

I'm going to update my topics to add Terms and Conditions later.
Title: Re: Hyraine's Design and Fail Service
Post by: Cressy on Jun 26, 2013, 08:34 pm
From what I can see, he's shown lots of proof that you asked it to be JUST LIKE TALONRO. Which would lead me to think you had a good idea of what TalonRO's site looked like, which means, even had he intentionally copied all the work without any desire to do his own stuff, you would have been well aware of the fact that it was TalonRO's. Not to mention the fact that you flat out ripped off the rules, word for word. So, despite the fact that you were well aware that he had used TalonRO's stuff and, at that point, not changed it to be different, you put it up as your website.

That right there puts you at fault here. He was employed to do a job, and while I would probably suggest to him that in future, even if asked to do work that looks like someone else's, you make sure to customise ALL of it before sending it out. Putting any random images on that slider would have worked better then sending it out as it was, would have saved all this silliness at least :P

But, overall, what I see here is someone who you ASKED to copy work for you, who only did their job, and you did not even pay them for it. If you want to claim that you didn't ask them to be just like TalonRO, or any of those other things, you should really start posting evidence; chat logs, screen shots, anything really. Right now you've just been ranting and stomping your feet like a small child who got caught stealing and is desperately trying to argue that the toy was his in the first place.

Also, I've never met this designer, Talon has a fantastic designer who does all our stuff, so we have no need to go to people on RMS, hadn't ever looked in that section until your thread came up.
Title: Re: Hyraine's Design and Fail Service
Post by: andromedaragnarokonline on Jun 26, 2013, 09:44 pm
It was clear that our reference was TalonRO, other than that he showed me his original designs, which i dont like. From the very beginning i dont have any plans about copying everything that you can see on Talon RO, im not stupid to do that on my own RO Web. It started when he  denies about what we have on our deal, and about fixing the errors he made on the Web, he's too slow and lazy and feels like he doesn't want to work with it. I always please him on Mobile Text Messages just to fix it, and wait for him all day. So i got no choice but to stay on the Web that he made, so i just laugh and made fun of it, because i dont want to problem it anymore, then Mr. DeePee started posting about Website Stealing so i made a quick response on that. I tried to make an excuse at the first comment, hoping that Hyvraine Design and Fail Services would fix the problem about the slider images, which is on our deal and he should have change it from the very beginning. And so i decided to bring back  my Default Flux which i am using since the day Mr.DeePee has posted about Website Stealing, because i dont want someone saying that i've stolen someone's Web.

As you can see here, he told me that (kahit ilan gusto mo) which means he's not limiting me if how many images i want to put there. But what happen?  /heh You can read our clear conversation here.
http://pastebin.com/8v9fcHTa (http://pastebin.com/8v9fcHTa)

Reputation? What reputation is left for you here? Maybe you and your very  friends can help you find reputation here:-)
I'm done here, i have shown everything that is needed. Thank you Moderator Triper for allowing us do discuss this topic.
I'm outta here  /...
Title: Re: Hyraine's Design and Fail Service
Post by: Kimchiii on Jun 26, 2013, 11:16 pm
But the thing is you know what TalonRO's design looks like
and you ask Hyraine to make something like that

and lets just say, Hyraine is lazy or whatever he gave you the exact design, and yet you still use it for your website o.o
eventhough you knew that it has the same design with Talon
Title: Re: Hyraine's Design and Fail Service
Post by: kenshn111 on Jun 26, 2013, 11:17 pm
It was clear that our reference was TalonRO, other than that he showed me his original designs, which i dont like. From the very beginning i dont have any plans about copying everything that you can see on Talon RO, im not stupid to do that on my own RO Web. It started when he  denies about what we have on our deal, and about fixing the errors he made on the Web, he's too slow and lazy and feels like he doesn't want to work with it. I always please him on Mobile Text Messages just to fix it, and wait for him all day. So i got no choice but to stay on the Web that he made, so i just laugh and made fun of it, because i dont want to problem it anymore, then Mr. DeePee started posting about Website Stealing so i made a quick response on that. I tried to make an excuse at the first comment, hoping that Hyvraine Design and Fail Services would fix the problem about the slider images, which is on our deal and he should have change it from the very beginning. And so i decided to bring back  my Default Flux which i am using since the day Mr.DeePee has posted about Website Stealing, because i dont want someone saying that i've stolen someone's Web.

As you can see here, he told me that (kahit ilan gusto mo) which means he's not limiting me if how many images i want to put there. But what happen?  /heh You can read our clear conversation here.
http://pastebin.com/8v9fcHTa (http://pastebin.com/8v9fcHTa)

Reputation? What reputation is left for you here? Maybe you and your very  friends can help you find reputation here:-)
I'm done here, i have shown everything that is needed. Thank you Moderator Triper for allowing us do discuss this topic.
I'm outta here  /...

It was clear indeed that our reference was TalonRO, but later you wanted me to more like 'copy' it.
However,

Tagalog: http://pastebin.com/Li1fYRGB (http://pastebin.com/Li1fYRGB)
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English Translation
[6/25/2013 7:00:04 PM] Roan PapaXong: you know that I'm just having problems with copyright infringement
[6/25/2013 7:00:15 PM] Hyvraine: That's your fault, that was your decision
[6/25/2013 7:00:24 PM] Hyvraine: you told me to just copy talon, I'm just doing my job
[6/25/2013 7:00:29 PM] Roan PapaXong: right sir

Hmm?

(first bold) I fixed it, I asked you to show proofs but you didn't, because as far as I know there are none anymore:
[6/23/2013 11:34:50 AM] Hyvraine: http://www.mediafire.com/download/neblql239mcbotm/new_aro.rar (http://www.mediafire.com/download/neblql239mcbotm/new_aro.rar)

http://pastebin.com/2ChqDGFM (http://pastebin.com/2ChqDGFM)
Tagalog:
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[6/23/2013 11:02:04 PM] Roan PapaXong: i guess okay na
[6/23/2013 11:02:07 PM] Roan PapaXong: i'll just text you
[6/23/2013 11:02:12 PM] Roan PapaXong: if i ever saw problems or errors
[6/23/2013 11:02:13 PM] Roan PapaXong: thank you very much

After that, you never texted me back about more errors. The next conversation we had the next day was about the patcher you're inquiring about.

And that was a Sunday, I have plans. I already told you my plans. And that I don't work on Saturday and Sunday.  Saying that I'm slow and lazy is just another crap that is coming from your mouth (or head, idk). 

(Second Bold) You tried to make an excuse by pretending that you didn't know that the slider came from TalonRO. What? Oh and, I wasn't even the one who copied Talon's Rules! I guess you really wanted to copy Talon huh.

He's talking about the slider images..hmm, I told him to delete those and the content of the rules. Lemme just look for logs..
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http://pastebin.com/1Eri10yi (http://pastebin.com/1Eri10yi)
[6/24/2013 10:46:23 PM] Hyvraine: I suggest you substitute another image for the slider.

http://pastebin.com/Li1fYRGB (http://pastebin.com/Li1fYRGB)
[6/25/2013 4:07:38 PM] Hyvraine: Remove the slider images > change the rules
[6/25/2013 4:13:31 PM] Hyvraine: [Tuesday, June 25, 2013 4:07 PM] Hyvraine:
 
<<< Remove the slider images > change the rules
[6/25/2013 4:13:49 PM] Roan PapaXong: sir di po ako marunong (he says that he doesn't know how to, but he has a helper which was unavailable I think, but he never paid me and the deal was on monday so..)
[6/25/2013 4:33:14 PM] Hyvraine: Delete mo yung slide images, pati yung rules
[6/25/2013 4:36:26 PM] Hyvraine: delete the images in themes/default/img/slides
[6/25/2013 4:36:34 PM] Hyvraine: di ko alam kung san nilagay yung rules (I don't know where the rules is located)
[6/25/2013 4:46:41 PM] Roan PapaXong: hindi ko mahanap yung rules (he said that he can't find the rules, but during that time I looked at his site and the banners were still there)

[6/25/2013 4:57:36 PM] Roan PapaXong: sir saan yung bannern ito? (sir where's the banner located?)
[6/25/2013 4:57:37 PM] Roan PapaXong: :(
[6/25/2013 4:57:51 PM] Hyvraine: [Tuesday, June 25, 2013 4:36 PM] Hyvraine:
 
<<< delete the images in themes/default/img/slides

This thing was not clear whether it was about me doing the images or the number of images that they can put, to be honest he really didn't give much details for the images (his features and whatnot) therefore it can be understood that I didn't agree that I will be doing the images. considering that I also already sent the files last Saturday evening.

I should've accepted that you were really stupid and made it super duper clear:
As you can see here, he told me that (kahit ilan gusto mo) which means he's not limiting me if how many images i want to put there. But what happen?  /heh You can read our clear conversation here.
http://pastebin.com/8v9fcHTa (http://pastebin.com/8v9fcHTa)

Reputation? What reputation is left for you here? Maybe you and your very  friends can help you find reputation here:-)
I'm done here, i have shown everything that is needed. Thank you Moderator Triper for allowing us do discuss this topic.
I'm outta here  /...

He says he's outta here, so I guess Admins and moderators can now close this and put him in the HoS or..?

Title: Re: Hyraine's Design and Fail Service
Post by: Saiku on Jun 27, 2013, 12:14 am
"lazy" what? Are you serious here? I pushed him around when we need the design+integration badly. He was sick (or so he claims) and he finished everything within 24 hours. Where the usual stuff is 48 hours-72 hours. Within that 24 hours, he has done a very great job. Although, there was little bit errors bla bla bla, of course, since it's part of the agreement that he would help. "Paid Agreement", since the guy paid him half upfront. Not like in this case, you pay $0 and expect to get help. Jeez. Speaking of which, more proofs would be nice. Since technically you never give us a real proof.
Title: Re: Hyraine's Design and Fail Service
Post by: Triper on Jun 27, 2013, 02:19 am
Serious, I though that this could be resolved pacifically but it seems impossible[specially after last PM but when I arrived here to read this last posts[yeah, I answered the PM before reading this] and I just can't do it -_-] so I'm going to add the Admin of AndromedaRO [a.k.a. andromedaragnarokonline/KimurA/xongpapa/Roan PapaXong]to the HoS for not paying and vilifying attempt of the work of a web designer.


tl;dr version of the topic

◙ I tried to deal with this through PMs always asking andromedaragnarokonline to be more mature, the more accurate/credible possible with evidence and even asked to stop insulting Hyraine so this could end well for both sides instead of this "fight" but it seems impossible as people can see during the entire topic[insults aren't necessary if there is evidence to corroborate the truth]
◙ andromedaragnarokonline had to be muted once while I wasn't around to be sure that the denigration[check the timestamps] (http://i.imgur.com/W0Tl7AM.png) at Hyraine's topic (http://forum.ratemyserver.net/paid-services/hyvraine-designs-(fluxcp-integration-patcher-skins-and-many-morelt3)/) would stop!
◙ I asked for evidence from andromedaragnarokonline side but all that was given was some manipulation of the tagalog on the logs. The logs from andromedaragnarokonline match what Hyraine posted so they tell us what happened. With the help of a dictionary and a translator, you can see who is right and who is wrong
◙ andromedaragnarokonline posted the bank account number of Hyraine, in this topic, in rage without authorization of Hyraine. It's the internet, bad things can happen by doing that
◙ Hyraine made the work he was contracted for, andromedaragnarokonline didn't pay a dime even with a 60 bucks discount
◙ Funny fact, AndromedaRO opened their gates at June 23, 2013 (http://i.imgur.com/tBLyKpb.png), the same day that Hyraine send the web design files and, 2 days later, they were reported for having a slider with same pics of the ones at TalonRO (http://forum.ratemyserver.net/rant-and-rave/andromedaro-website-stealing/)


Congratulations andromedaragnarokonline/KimurA/xongpapa/Roan PapaXong, you're now at the Hall of Shame!
Title: Re: AndromedaRO's not paying and vilifying attempt of Hyraine's Web Design Work
Post by: Cawliflower on Jun 27, 2013, 06:47 am
Triper: To make sure Hyvraine's reputation isn't hurt, can we possibly change the topic title so that isn't keyworded when searching for him on Google or what-not? Just a thought anyway.
Title: Re: AndromedaRO's not paying and vilifying attempt
Post by: Triper on Jun 27, 2013, 08:33 am
I guess it isn't a bad idea to actually do that just in case someone with poor English knowledge starts to thing something else because of the words chosen.

Done.
Title: Re: AndromedaRO's not paying and vilifying attempt
Post by: Saiku on Jun 27, 2013, 12:21 pm
You might want to change the link on GM HoS list too. Who knows if google still catch that old link.
Title: Re: AndromedaRO's not paying and vilifying attempt
Post by: Triper on Jun 27, 2013, 12:36 pm
That is something that I can't change, the topic will always have the original name on the url.
Title: Re: AndromedaRO's not paying and vilifying attempt
Post by: kenshn111 on Jun 28, 2013, 12:00 am
I know this isn't related to the topic anymore, or maybe it still do..

I just checked their forums and they're still using the logo that I made for them..

http://i.imgur.com/rx1Z609.png (http://i.imgur.com/rx1Z609.png)

Plus, it seems like he's selling Lord Kaho's horns for $100!? WHAT?!?
http://andromeda-gaming.net/cp/?module=purchase&p=6 (http://andromeda-gaming.net/cp/?module=purchase&p=6)


http://i.imgur.com/rx1Z609.png (http://i.imgur.com/rx1Z609.png)

^After his reply there, the thread got locked.


Shameee ;(
Title: Re: AndromedaRO's not paying and vilifying attempt
Post by: Triper on Jun 28, 2013, 08:58 am
The $100 item is up to his server [even if many won't like it] but the logo of something not being paid ...
Title: Re: AndromedaRO's not paying and vilifying attempt
Post by: Valkyrio on Jun 28, 2013, 01:53 pm
I know this isn't related to the topic anymore, or maybe it still do..

I just checked their forums and they're still using the logo that I made for them..

http://i.imgur.com/rx1Z609.png (http://i.imgur.com/rx1Z609.png)

Plus, it seems like he's selling Lord Kaho's horns for $100!? WHAT?!?
http://andromeda-gaming.net/cp/?module=purchase&p=6 (http://andromeda-gaming.net/cp/?module=purchase&p=6)


http://i.imgur.com/rx1Z609.png (http://i.imgur.com/rx1Z609.png)

^After his reply there, the thread got locked.


Shameee ;(

Yeeeeeeep. They're not the brightest in that server. I also brought up the fact that having an NPC that gives you 150 blue/white potions, every day, for free is a bit of a balance issue...but they didn't understand how or why.

Very odd server. I'm sad, seemed like it had potential but I suspect it'll be down within a month or two.
Title: Re: AndromedaRO's not paying and vilifying attempt
Post by: Saiku on Jul 15, 2013, 11:57 pm
rofl. dis is the best imo. after all this crap, look at his server.
"Problem loading page". :D

I guess he's a worthy person to get into HoS.

oops. dat necro bump but ohwell.