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Offline Daletos

Re: Admin Noah (a.k.a. Peach). Untrustable.
« Reply #15 on: Apr 22, 2013, 08:07 pm »
That is the exact reason why I don't give out my personal information(MSN, Skype, etc..) to players while I'm a GM, because those are the areas where I relax and joke around with my friends. I kind of just expect myself to be professional whenever I feel I'm representing the server. If I want to just fool around on the actual server, or on the server forums, I do so through a separate character/account as to conceal my identity~ (That's also why my character names are different from my GM name.)

Just doing some digging because I'm a sneaky mofo. Well definitely didn't live up to this. Should have at least kept it clean Peach given your current position and for your rep regarding Pure RO. Its obvious at this point there is tension between Pure RO and EO-RO staff  from previous server and contact etc. But doing something like this even for revenge was pretty low even if you have a beef with Reality. Bit disappointed with you Peach as I played Equity as well as a few server with you and slightly though of as better than Cookie. Sigh, it seems like friendship/everyone getting along is impossible in the psever community. Its always "he said, she said", copying, drama,
corruption and so on; at least it makes for good entertainment.

Anyways Cookie fo #1 GM PLZ

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Offline Playtester

Re: Admin Noah (a.k.a. Peach). Untrustable.
« Reply #16 on: Apr 23, 2013, 04:31 am »
Oh my drama again. Won't even comment on it, am disappointed too~
I mean Reality certainly has a difficult personality, but why not just leave him alone then. >-<

But regarding the GRF I don't think it was stolen with an evil intention, especially since the custom files are not actually used at all.

Offline krosserdog

Re: Admin Noah (a.k.a. Peach). Untrustable.
« Reply #17 on: Apr 23, 2013, 11:11 pm »
Even though I am rather disappointed by Noah's action, I just want to point out something regarding this topic.

According to Reality's report, Noah logged into Reality's account due to some personal issue which is unrelated. The fact that Noah knows Reality's account is because of Reality giving her his account IDs, and not because of Noah's abusing any type of GM's power.

I would like to admit that I did in fact grant permission to Peach to log into my accounts, a little less than a year ago, to help me test something.
-Reality

While it was unacceptable for Noah's action, I have to remind that this is a thread to report corrupted GM's abusing power or something of the sort. This thread is merely an individual report and doesn't contain any GM related issues.

Here's my 2 cent opinion, I am a player in pureRO and in my opinion so far, Noah seems to be a nice person. Just because Noah did something so personal against Reality doesn't mean that as a GM, she would do the same to players. Noah has been actively engage in the server a couple of times and helping out people. I don't think Noah deserve to be on the "GM" Hall of Shame just because of an individual report.

Offline krosserdog

Re: Admin Noah (a.k.a. Peach). Untrustable.
« Reply #18 on: Apr 23, 2013, 11:27 pm »
I'm going to add some more to my previous reply.

According to DivRO's rules http://wiki.divinityro.com/index.php/Server_Rules
"The DivinityRO staff is NOT RESPONSIBLE for in-game accounts, items, zeny, characters, etc. Players are responsible to secure their accounts with strong passwords (alphanumeric with symbols is recommended) to ensure security. The staff will attempt to resolve any cases that may come up but do not guarantee resolution in favor of the reporter."

Player, in this case Reality, has failed to secure his account by granting someone else permission to access into his account. It is part of Reality's fault for not changing his password or doing some kind of security upgrade even after having an argument or conflict with the person who he has granted permission to his account, Noah.

However, we parted ways with a large argument and disagreement, and fell out of contact.
-Reality

It should be Reality's responsibility to change his account password or protect his own account. The blame shouldn't be entirely shifted to Noah, who still has hold of Reality's account.

Overall, this thread is a player report not a corrupt GM report and should be in the "Rant and Rave" section.

Offline Reality

Re: Admin Noah (a.k.a. Peach). Untrustable.
« Reply #19 on: Apr 24, 2013, 12:45 am »
Even though I am rather disappointed by Noah's action, I just want to point out something regarding this topic.

According to Reality's report, Noah logged into Reality's account due to some personal issue which is unrelated. The fact that Noah knows Reality's account is because of Reality giving her his account IDs, and not because of Noah's abusing any type of GM's power.

Did you not read the big, oversized text in the main post?

This has nothing to do with the shared account (previously) or DivinityRO rules. This has to do with a public figure that should not be trusted and takes desperate actions based on grudges and malicious intent. This is completely out of line for any GM to do, not to mention an admin. This is about her awful judgment and terrible character that drove her to this level of desperateness.

This got moved directly to the Hall of Shame for a reason. This is an unforgivable action for an admin to take, and she belongs here for it.

Please stay on topic. This is not about blaming anybody. It's about how little trust people should have in Peach/Noah.

-Reality

Offline SnowBunny

Re: Admin Noah (a.k.a. Peach). Untrustable.
« Reply #20 on: Apr 24, 2013, 01:01 am »
Overall, this thread is a player report not a corrupt GM report and should be in the "Rant and Rave" section.

Actually if matters are put aside, thread was made to show how a certain individual acted towards another individual. In this case, Peach towards Reality. Yes Peach isn't corrupt, but it's considered as a betrayal of trust and it's on the HoS guidelines too.

Even if Reality didn't give out his password or such, what makes you think Peach won't check the old files she has on the old servers where Reality has his acc info on? Putting aside the fact that Reality is Derpy for not changing his info, think about it. If Peach did this to one person, what makes you think she won't do it again to other players?

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Offline Cawliflower

Re: Admin Noah (a.k.a. Peach). Untrustable.
« Reply #21 on: Apr 24, 2013, 01:06 am »
There's no reason to continue to discuss this. Re-read the entire topic before you post everyone. She used his password without authorized access to gain entry to his account due to the fact she found out he is opening a LR server that will compete with hers. And we don't know if it is corruption or not. She could've forgotten his password after all this time and if they didn't encrypt their login table on their past servers (which inexperienced Administrators tend to forget - I can name a few big name servers I caught forgetting to do so and I was like "DO THIS NOW") she could've found his account and used the password from that which would be corrupt.

BOTTOM LINE, it was considered hacking and it's grounds for the Game Master Hall of Shame. Get over it, and move on.

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Honestly, this thread isn't for her to go in-game and to get players to respond for redemption from the HoS via de-railing the actual issue.
« Last Edit: Apr 24, 2013, 01:15 am by Cawliflower »
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yesterday im ask gm crewkie hitler for pls ad balance costum like angel wing or 4slot narutaro BUT HE SAY NO.. um sry i thot this was ranganarok and not a nazis???????

DivinityRO 6.9 coming soon!

Offline krosserdog

Re: Admin Noah (a.k.a. Peach). Untrustable.
« Reply #22 on: Apr 24, 2013, 01:45 am »
She used his password without authorized access to gain entry to his account...
Reality did grant her permission and never took it back.

due to the fact she found out he is opening a LR server that will compete with hers. And we don't know if it is corruption or not. She could've forgotten his password after all this time and if they didn't encrypt their login table on their past servers (which inexperienced Administrators tend to forget - I can name a few big name servers I caught forgetting to do so and I was like "DO THIS NOW") she could've found his account and used the password from that which would be corrupt.

This is merely your assumption. Please provides proof.
Reality gave Noah his account and according to divRO's rule, it is Reality's responsibility to protect his own account.

Actually if matters are put aside, thread was made to show how a certain individual acted towards another individual. In this case, Peach towards Reality. Yes Peach isn't corrupt, but it's considered as a betrayal of trust and it's on the HoS guidelines too.

Even if Reality didn't give out his password or such, what makes you think Peach won't check the old files she has on the old servers where Reality has his acc info on? Putting aside the fact that Reality is Derpy for not changing his info, think about it. If Peach did this to one person, what makes you think she won't do it again to other players?
It's a betrayal of trust but then again, it's between players not admins.
Reality did give Noah his account, and due a personal grudge, Noah committed a revenge on him.
In reality (not Reality the person), one person can be nice to a person while at the same time, be mean to another person. You can't be fallacious and hasty generalize Noah as an untrustworthy person base on one single action.

Did you not read the big, oversized text in the main post?

This has nothing to do with the shared account (previously) or DivinityRO rules. This has to do with a public figure that should not be trusted and takes desperate actions based on grudges and malicious intent. This is completely out of line for any GM to do, not to mention an admin. This is about her awful judgment and terrible character that drove her to this level of desperateness.

This got moved directly to the Hall of Shame for a reason. This is an unforgivable action for an admin to take, and she belongs here for it.

Please stay on topic. This is not about blaming anybody. It's about how little trust people should have in Peach/Noah.

-Reality
Again, it was a player with player personal problem. This is not GM related problem.
Your account security is also relevant to this topic. It's like I put something on the table without any security and report the person who took it.
Furthermore, it seem that you and Noah had conflict in the past and this was a petty revenge by her, as a player. This does not prove that Noah is being a bad GM base on her personal grudge with someone else. Even the nicest person can be malicious toward his/her mortal enemy.

As stated above, please don't hasty generalize something just base on one single action. It's like I assume you're a bad driver since you make one single mistake.
The fact that Noah get put into the HoS so fast might be a problem, though I wish the moderator of this forum would give more time to think and give his best judgement about it.

Also, on a side note:
"Admin Noah of PureRO (aka. Peach) - Hacking into players accounts on other servers"
Noah didn't hack into Reality account; he gave his account credentials to her. If the verdict of Noah being untrustworthy still hold, please edit the reason why Noah is being put on the HoS.(to like, i don't know, betray Reality's trust even though they dislike each other(?))

Offline krosserdog

Re: Admin Noah (a.k.a. Peach). Untrustable.
« Reply #23 on: Apr 24, 2013, 01:53 am »
Honestly, this thread isn't for her to go in-game and to get players to respond for redemption from the HoS via de-railing the actual issue.
It seems like Cawliflower edits his post after I made my reply. Noah didn't come in-game and complain about it. She even resigned as a GM to reserve the server's reputation.
This thread was sent to me by two other player, one who quit pureRO to join eo-RO and the other in evolveRO.
Upon reading this topic, I thought it was rather unfair so I decided to defend Noah.

Also note on the HoS rules:
"Do NOT abuse this section for people you don't like."- Xarale

Offline Cawliflower

Re: Admin Noah (a.k.a. Peach). Untrustable.
« Reply #24 on: Apr 24, 2013, 01:55 am »
Revoking this post.

She hacked a player as a Game Master (on another server she had beef with - mine). There is overwhelming proof. Everything else is speculation and a clever way to try to skew the thread in order to get this revoked.

I'm done contributing to this thread.
« Last Edit: Apr 24, 2013, 02:05 am by Cawliflower »
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yesterday im ask gm crewkie hitler for pls ad balance costum like angel wing or 4slot narutaro BUT HE SAY NO.. um sry i thot this was ranganarok and not a nazis???????

DivinityRO 6.9 coming soon!

Offline krosserdog

Re: Admin Noah (a.k.a. Peach). Untrustable.
« Reply #25 on: Apr 24, 2013, 02:07 am »
tl;dr
Apparently, Cawliflower here doesn't like to read long text of logic, though I don't really expect you too either.

On a side note: I find it interesting that you're well versed with the DivinityRO rules yet you play on PureRO. Why?
I did a little bit of research on divRO rules prior in reply to this topic, after all, I don't write my reply without any proof(unlike someone).

On top of that, the rules are written that way to ensure players understand it isn't the staff's responsibility to return their items when they give their passwords out to every friend and lose items. These rules don't apply to RMS HoS guidelines. The act itself was unjust.
Since it isn't the staff's responsibility to return the player items, it can also mean that the staff won't be responsible to the player's account. Reality fails to protect his account and blaming Noah, who he gave his account credentials to, for "hacking" him.
On what base are you saying that the act is unjust? I assume common sense. Then is it not common sense that a player should protect his own account?

Anyway, RMS staff don't remove HoS entries on a bunch of mere comments and logic skewed for the purpose of trying to scapegoat the consequences of hacking someone out of spite.
I am merely asking for a re-evaluation, not removing entry.

Also, did I say I don't like Peach? I find it interesting that you're saying that as well.
Did I never mention that you dislike Peach? I am talking about the account owner, Reality, and the other party in question, Noah.
It is stated by Reality in his original post that they part way with conflict and disagreement.

Offline Orange

Re: Admin Noah (a.k.a. Peach). Untrustable.
« Reply #26 on: Apr 24, 2013, 02:08 am »
Might not be my place to comment, I've played DivRO and to me the entire thing seems sorted out by now. AFAIK Reality has gotten some stuff back and is able to continue on like nothing happened.

Your account security is also relevant to this topic. It's like I put something on the table without any security and report the person who took it.
Reality could of easily prevented the entire matter but he didn't, that in no way means Noah had to go and do it. It doesn't matter if you leave something on a table or strap it to your body, if someone takes it they've taken it. Noah didn't intrude on the account because it was easy, but because he's a bit of a d***.


Furthermore, it seem that you and Noah had conflict in the past and this was a petty revenge by her, as a player. This does not prove that Noah is being a bad GM base on her personal grudge with someone else.
As a Ragnarok Online player this is the kind of thing that would make me quit a server. Imagine being scammed by the admin and him saying "Doesn't count, I used a different name"
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Offline -Una-

Re: Admin Noah (a.k.a. Peach). Untrustable.
« Reply #27 on: Apr 24, 2013, 02:18 am »
I don't know this Noah person or this Reality person, but from what I am reading, the whole thing is based on trust. While Reality admits that he gave Noah his account information, it doesn't take a genius to know that if their friendship ended on a bad note, that Noah does not have permission to get on Reality's account and do as he pleases.
Admins/GMs are put in a position of trust. They have access to player account information, e-mail accounts, IP addresses, and such. Who is to say Noah would not do the same to a player on the server where he is Admin, and has access to player account information? I honestly would tend to question Noah's trust after what has happened.
As a player, I refuse to play on a server with an admin that has a questionable past. SnowBunny knows what I'm talking about. It's a game. There is no reason to do things like that. Good call to ratemyserver for adding this one to HoS.

Offline krosserdog

Re: Admin Noah (a.k.a. Peach). Untrustable.
« Reply #28 on: Apr 24, 2013, 02:23 am »
Revoking this post.

She hacked a player as a Game Master (on another server she had beef with - mine). There is overwhelming proof. Everything else is speculation and a clever way to try to skew the thread in order to get this revoked.

I'm done contributing to this thread.
Woa, Cawliflower again edits his post. Well since he revokes his post when I refute his reply, then I guess you can assume my previous reply to void.

Noah didn't "hack" into a player account. If she did as a Game Master, please provide proof that she is still a Game Master and has access to the account database.

Let's define hack. Since there's no clear definition on the internet, hacking in my own definition and in this case means "having accessing to Reality's account via the server database without Reality's consent". However, in this case, not only did Reality gave her the account credentials, he also gave her permission to use it.

Might not be my place to comment, I've played DivRO and to me the entire thing seems sorted out by now. AFAIK Reality has gotten some stuff back and is able to continue on like nothing happened.
That's good for him.

Reality could of easily prevented the entire matter but he didn't, that in no way means Noah had to go and do it. It doesn't matter if you leave something on a table or strap it to your body, if someone takes it they've taken it. Noah didn't intrude on the account because it was easy, but because he's a bit of a d***.
Yes, I never said it was not wrong of Noah, but you shouldn't entirely blame Noah. If someone didn't lock their car and it get stolen, even if the thief did get caught, the owner still get part of the blame.

As a Ragnarok Online player this is the kind of thing that would make me quit a server. Imagine being scammed by the admin and him saying "Doesn't count, I used a different name"
Noah never scammed anyone. Though if it's in your opinion that she's a bad person, then it's your opinion.
Your example is total fallacious and unrelated to the topic.

I don't know this Noah person or this Reality person, but from what I am reading, the whole thing is based on trust. While Reality admits that he gave Noah his account information, it doesn't take a genius to know that if their friendship ended on a bad note, that Noah does not have permission to get on Reality's account and do as he pleases.
Admins/GMs are put in a position of trust. They have access to player account information, e-mail accounts, IP addresses, and such. Who is to say Noah would not do the same to a player on the server where he is Admin, and has access to player account information? I honestly would tend to question Noah's trust after what has happened.
As a player, I refuse to play on a server with an admin that has a questionable past. SnowBunny knows what I'm talking about. It's a game. There is no reason to do things like that. Good call to ratemyserver for adding this one to HoS.
Well, you're right. Reality did gave Noah permission, but nonetheless, Noah did betray Reality's trust and it was wrong of her.
However, you have to calm down before actually deciding if a person is untrustworthy. I know many people who are nice to me but are mean to others people. You can't decide if a person is untrustworthy base on one source of information.
Furthermore, if you're refusing to play on pureRO, it's completely fine. I mean, personally, I would not play on eo-RO base on the HoS report of Cawliflower.
Also, Noah volunteeringly resigned as a GM since her action would affect the server.

Edit: typo

Offline -Una-

Re: Admin Noah (a.k.a. Peach). Untrustable.
« Reply #29 on: Apr 24, 2013, 02:46 am »
Well, you're right. Reality did gave Noah permission, but nonetheless, Noah did betray Reality's trust and it was wrong of her.
However, you have to calm down before actually deciding if a person is untrustworthy. I know many people who are nice to me but are mean to others people. You can't decide if a person is untrustworthy base on one source of information.
Furthermore, if you're refusing to play on pureRO, it's completely fine. I mean, personally, I would not play on eo-RO base on the HoS report of Cawliflower.
Also, Noah volunteeringly resigned as a GM since her action would affect the server.

Edit: typo

Oh, I think you misunderstood what I was saying. I would take a closer look before refusing to play on the server. Though, my standards are quite high, as I have played a lot of servers, and seen so much come from Admins. From an Admin raging because his girlfriend dumped him and dropping donates and customs, followed by broadcasting players passwords before quitting, to an Admin giving out player account information to get certain accounts "hacked", in the hopes that the players would quit the server. It really is quite sad, considering that it is just a game. But I know what you mean.  ;)