RO Private Server these days

[Mary Magdalene]

You say that like it's the players fault.

Why should I care anymore to much about any server, they all either wipe/close or get screwed over by inactivity/market inflation/corruption... what do these GM's do then? they start a brand new server

At least I wont give to much of a s*** if a mid rate server shuts down, I didn't invest months/years and grind hours each day for NOTHING.

It really doesn't matter who's at fault but lemme ask you, what's the point of running a server without any players playing?

And also, how will you convince players these days to play on your server?

If i was the player, starting with even a simple knife and cotton shirts will be very enough for me, but what about the MOST players these days? ' ready to pvp freebies ' and ' guild package ' bull s***? And if the GM did not gave them those what's gonna happen next? The player will say ' this RO server sucks because they dont have what i want ' and hop to a new server or simply they're just gonna leave.

But of course I'll also quit once i knew the GM was a bias idiot, not because of his/her efforts on trying to build a community

[Blinzer]

It really doesn't matter who's at fault but lemme ask you, what's the point of running a server without any players playing?

And also, how will you convince players these days to play on your server?

If i was the player, starting with even a simple knife and cotton shirts will be very enough for me, but what about the MOST players these days? ' ready to pvp freebies ' and ' guild package ' bull s***? And if the GM did not gave them those what's gonna happen next? The player will say ' this RO server sucks because they dont have what i want ' and hop to a new server or simply they're just gonna leave.

But of course I'll also quit once i knew the GM was a bias idiot, not because of his/her efforts on trying to build a community

Your argument is a double edged sword, because there is a very specific point to running a server even if no players join it, and this must be clearly established before you can understand why there is none. The two things are complimentary, and cannot live without the other.

I have been working on my ragnarok project for months now, starting from the summer of last year. I only opened my server february for beta testing and spent all time prior completely on my own in the server, working on things. After beta I closed it back down to work on it some more, reopening recently in July and spending all of the time in between alone. Now that I'm open, I still have not seen many players on my server as of yet, but I also have not been sitting there expecting people to join just for the sake of having people join my server. It is true: I do what I do for the people.
You could say that there is no point in working on any project if you are not going to give it to others, especially if you are aware of your own capabilities.

This, however, is only the result of the reason I set out to create this project: I wanted to make a good game. Change the game, fix the mundane flaws that the original game had. I wanted to make a good game, but I wanted to do it for the people. Make a good game, for the people. Get it? There is a component that requires you to have no people involved for you to do it anyways, and the component that requires people to be involved for what you doing to have a point. I require a grand total of 0 players on my server to make the game better, and there is no problem with that. Ragnarok hyperbolic time chamber training, if you will. Not having people on my server isn't a deciding factor in me wanting to make a good game, but gives me a reason to do so other than just to say "haha i made the best game ever". The same could be said about anything in life: any ability or thing, no matter how grand, is useless and pointless if you only have it for the sake of having it. The sadness of the situation comes when you finally make something great and have nobody to share it with.

As a last note, what keeps me playing a game is whether it's a good game or not. I thought this was established from the beginning of time, but it appears the human race is deteriorating considerably.

That being said, I don't expect much from a person who claimed I was alt clienting to advertise, so I don't expect anything to be uttered out of your mouth other than pure selfishness and ignorance. Impress me.

[Mary Magdalene]

That is if you really just wanna create an RO like i did for the last 2 years and closed it after telling myself and realizing " why am i running this server anyway even without players?  ". So i don't wanna be a somehow ' left-out ' person who's been playing with myself on that ghost town sitting and alt tabbing and trying to advertise. Unless you're some trained loner.

Anyway to be short i already lost motivation to continue it further because i don't see any fun at all anymore.

Oh and lemme tell you as well that I'm a solo admin like you and i gave everything i could to make it a ' good server ' for people to love it and to be enjoyed. How selfish am i right?

So i really dunno what are you fighting for atm, and i really don't remember where i told you were dual clienting to advertise.

Everything that i said on your quote was my past experiences as an admin, not only me but every admin who replied on this forum does. no one says it's the player's or GM's fault as well.

Anyway, no offense but if you still wanna continue to make your project a good server even if probably to be a dog to most lazy and idiot players who wants everything for free, then so be it, no one's stopping you lol, if that's what a good server means for you.

P.S
And i seriously don't have time to have a nonsense argument with you plus i seriously don't need to impress you over an argument that's just nothing but just really... nonsense And my rudeness? forgive me for it.

[Blinzer]

That is if you really just wanna create an RO like i did for the last 2 years and closed it after telling myself and realizing " why am i running this server anyway even without players?  ". So i don't wanna be a somehow ' left-out ' person who's been playing with myself on that ghost town sitting and alt tabbing and trying to advertise. Unless you're some trained loner.

Anyway to be short i already lost motivation to continue it further because i don't see any fun at all anymore.

Oh and lemme tell you as well that I'm a solo admin like you and i gave everything i could to make it a ' good server ' for people to love it and to be enjoyed. How selfish am i right?

So i really dunno what are you fighting for atm, and i really don't remember where i told you were dual clienting to advertise.

Everything that i said on your quote was my past experiences as an admin, not only me but every admin who replied on this forum does. no one says it's the player's or GM's fault as well.

Anyway, no offense but if you still wanna continue to make your project a good server even if probably to be a dog to most lazy and idiot players who wants everything for free, then so be it, no one's stopping you lol, if that's what a good server means for you.

P.S
And i seriously don't have time to have a nonsense argument with you plus i seriously don't need to impress you over an argument that's just nothing but just really... nonsense And my rudeness? forgive me for it.

I find it fun to make cool new things about the game because it's a type of training that helps you understand how games work better and broadens your vision about all of the possibilities out there for grabs.

I would have to say though, RO has expired its interest for all the professional players of it many years ago. The last time I saw any players who knew what they were doing was over 6 years ago, and all the people who claim to be good are pure trash and have no clue what legends have existed before them. It's no surprise that RO servers have devolved to appease these incompetent masses by giving out gear and adding stupid broken things to their server when the game has been so stagnant and broken for so long. They are desperate to get attention and get people to continue playing the game. I have not seen a single server even attempt to solve the following problems on more than a superficial level:

- Class and skill balance(see below)
- Item balance(cards all do random things, gear is clearly favorable towards tanking even though the game is centered around kiting because of ridiculous monster damages in pvm)
- Monster balance(experience is stupid and random, monsters either are impossible to deal with or too easy)
- Mechanic balance(how the whole game is centered around kiting, both pvm and pvp, causing half the classes to be shut down)

The best you see is stupid donation headgears that give stats that kind of change how the game plays out but not really. Bard bragi is still retarded, professor's dispelling every 0.2 seconds is retarded, paladin devo gospel is retarded, creator ad is retarded, where you get items and why is still retarded, monsters make no sense and their exp is borderline random, the game has so many fundamental flaws nobody has ever even bothered looking at because scared of some unknown mystical force that I fail to comprehend.

Everyone always complains about how RO is old, RO always corrupt, nothing new ever happens. If someone put out a complete overhaul of Ragnarok that was way better than the original game but took all your cheap gimmicky strategies away, would you really be willing to try it? Would you really go there and happily learn something new to play a better game? Or would you just quit(or even worse, never try it) because it's not what you're used to, thinking about everything in terms of how it stands in the old game?

Can't do your same old dumb habits of a broken game? Better go back to garbageRO and complain about it on RMS some more.

On a side note, I guess it wasn't you then, I don't really remember.

[Mary Magdalene]

All i could say now is every admin have their own style / ways of making their RO server to be a good server even if how messy / stupid it might be.

Maximum life span of RO these days? Could be 1 - 3 months because basically those admins are just aiming for one single goal, cha ching!

And only a few decided to make it live long and become a good server.

[Asuka Connell]

So this is why I've seen players complaining on a SHR server and I was  Everything is so easy to farm, why complain
Servers should set the standard for the type of players they want to attract, for whatever motivation spurred them into existence, and if players choose to leave, well then, that's just part of the filtering process. Let them leave, and good riddance. Players hop around for servers, in search of what will satisfy them, it's natural. Eventually, they'd wise up to the fact that instant gratification is boring (and they'd be replaced by the next generation of lazy players  .)

What makes a server strong and enduring is the admin's conviction and dedication, if he knows what he stands for, the players he attracts will follow and support him. Sure, there will always be some (or more) toxic players, and hosts can't be paid with dokebi gold, but isn't that part of the challenge of running a server? The server is the reflection of the admin, what does your server say about you?

[Soda]

I personally think that by just giving Potions as freebies are fine. 

[Yuzo]

RO is such a niche game...so sad. I hope it can make a comeback one day like Counter Strike. I remember I was playing CS:Source and it felt like it was about to die. Stopped playing for a few years then found out at the start of this year that CS:Global Offensive made it hugely popular again.


Cause over a year ago none of my friends had played CS, maybe some had heard about it. Now, every kid and their uncle knows about CS. It's so massive. People get crazy amounts of YouTube views for a simple unpacking or whatever you call it.


It just takes one f*cking good idea and a focused group of awesome people. I still think there's a market for this game, just nobody knows what to do with it. And those who could do something with it are focused on other games and would see it as a waste of time.

[nile]

Players that play RO these days are ridiculous. You must offer guild packages and s*** like that, or they wont play your server.
It's all about 'whats for free?'.

Because a guild will join a server, half will quit. You have to realize half of woe players don't want to gear up because they do other s***. The worst thing for them is investing time and then having a s*** woe or no woe at all. It's not uncommon for an admin to do something stupid like change the woe time when it's perfectly fine. Three or four people can gear a whole guild but why should they put in all that effort or money?

They don't care about if the server is good or not as long as they get freaking freebies.

You must be so proud being able to grind low rates, you think people really can't do that?...

RO has expired its interest for all the professional players of it many years ago

There's a whole bunch of reasons, the game isn't the problem.

The last time I saw any players who knew what they were doing was over 6 years ago

That's probably because you weren't playing the game.

I have not seen a single server even attempt to solve the following problems on more than a superficial level:

.......

Maybe because most people never wanted it to change you idiot, most people wouldn't play that server, even if it was just out of belief that it wouldn't be popular.

whole game is centered around kiting, both pvm and pvp

nope.

broken game

I totally agree the game could be more fun, alterations would be nice. But it broked, your play doesn't matter

[annaquin]

I will say the main reason new players don't join a new server is because of lacking party... there is openkore that could have solved the problem by creating auto bot party... but no.

The problem of RO dying is because admin don't invest on casual player. They expect player to join in and invest their time, regardless how hard it is. Grind is fine for long term player , but for casual players that is crap.

Making game content available from sheer luck is just stupid on low population. Who in his right mind will try to farm a vitata card on a 20 pop server. Then again people will drop rate increase, but it does increase the problem. You still need to grind to extract game content while leveling.

When I join S4 League, regardless of my gear, I can compet right away, rookie or pro can play together without waiting 2 months of leveling.

Suppose I am joining a server, get to lvlv 160 and now invite some others friend, hello... see you in 2 month when you are lvl  160 like me. This is stupid.
Same goes for WOE, a guild joining = wipeout the whole scene. Farming god item = wipeout² = gear up = wipeout^3. Then a new guild arrive, and get wipeout then quit.

Gear should play a far less factor and same goes for all skills.

[Playtester]

If you are a casual player, you don't need a Vitata card.

[annaquin]

Problem of smart donkey are generating those kind of answer... constantly trying to pick a good pose with retard thinking.

Dude, if 99% of game content isn't worth because I am a casual players then wtf is a point to have a game content in first place.

As of today, every body can download rathena or hercules and run a private server ... all I see are scammer that don't help rathena fixing bugs, nor hercules upgrading ...

You just downloaded an open project and brush your ego, but all in all, you aren't capable of redoing something new because rathena and hercules are for 99.99% admin a black box with tuning and scripting interface.

The whole SFX table has been decyphered, adding skills, adding jobs, adding costum .. all has been done and toolkited

After 15 years , game balance is still isn't understood, most people still think they should balance class instead of skill.

Skill need to be balanced between each others, so a fire bolt 1 should be equal to Comet lvl 5 or equal to fire bolt 10.

Gravity destroyed the game balance to force player to team up, but that shouldn't imply slavery between classes.
For a 5000 pop, it doesn't matter , slavery between classes is ok..
For a 100 pop, it start to kick in as a default behavior.


Then again, party should be not a wall for dungeon ... and database of players shouldn't even be split among different server.

[Nano]

For Servers on the SEA community:

Random pinoy makes server

copy pastes some pop template

Opens cash shop with p2w crap

advertises over other ro servers' groups on Facebook

opens

makes cash

starts thinking about the new server he'll make after this one dies

repeat forever

For servers in NA/EU:

all about nostalgia

classic trans

classic non trans

lots of features

server opens

woe happens, one side wins, the other side loses

losing side starts looking for a new server

winning side afks in town while looking for a new server

server closes

[mleo1]

I look down at frequent GM events

@Nano
sums it, lel

[nerdfrog]

@Nano

Yes, but not all. I am still proud that SolaceRO is not a cashcow server. LOL

Though to be honest, you got it right. A lot of servers go up and down which feeds the "server hopping" hobby of players.