"RMT Enabled" servers.

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Quote from: Sairek Ceareste on Dec 08, 2023, 01:42 AMUsually the people who are doing RMT are botting as well, which can impact the market. This is definitely so when it comes to larger scale games like actual big-name MMOs such as Runescape as was mentioned previously.

Yes, exactly. But the issue is botting itself which requires more rigorous in-house security tools and cheating prevention software, not actual RMT. If players couldn't bot then RMT wouldn't be an issue to begin with. Classic case of attributing blame to the wrong issue.

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Quote from: Metan on Dec 07, 2023, 11:24 PM[...] One will lose a big MVP kill, likely be upset about it, but move on with his life; the other will slam his table because he just lost some good money. These are not, nor will ever be, the same, and the level of toxicity the latter kind of player brings is telling.
Spot on.

There are salty and toxic (non-RMTers) players as well, but at least it's not exclusively that type of players, such as the case with RMTers. Depending on the situation, some quick banter or mock may happen during competition but people will stop and forget within a few minutes instead holding a grudge forever.

Regular players are also the kind of be more prone to report bugs and exploits to help the game become better and help in the long-term, whereas the trashy RMTer will 100% be exploiting it looking for quick gains despite knowing how much it's hurting the game and its future.

Most MMOs these days (like people gave examples here already) has official ways to directly convert cash points into in-game currency and it works well for those games. Not the case for RO imo because the game in its core has always been about the grind.

In the past few years, it seems to be getting more and more common and accepted on brazillian and Russian non-RO game servers where the staff has their own RMT channels and fully allow players to either sell directly to other players (at their own risk, scamming allowed, so trade at your own risk), or with the staff mediating it where it's the only safe way to do it.

Beyond disgusting. Hopefully gravity burns the private server scene down before this sh*t arrives at RO.
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Quote from: ForgotMyOldAccount on Dec 08, 2023, 12:40 AMIf you think normal players doing this "for fun" instead of money aren't getting incredibly toxic and salty in-game, you are frankly just wrong. I know many annoying and disgruntled players who get upset over losing with NO IRL stakes involved. You seriously overvalue the mental health of gamers who turn to Ragnarok Online for an outlet from their rather stressful lives.
Of course not. I'd be lying if I said that I have never met any player who did not engage in RMT and was nonetheless competitive to a fault. But note that I'm talking in general terms: normal players, who don't do RMT, range from ego-tripping guilds and sweaty MVPers to casual guilds and Prontera tilewarmers, and every other player in between who may not be as serious, or as casual. Also note that even the most competitive player in this is having fun in his own way, because if he's not making real money out of this, then he's releasing pent-up stress, making a name for himself, using it as escapism or something; even if it makes him completely unhinged as a result, in some cases.

RMTers aren't so nuanced. Once you're in the the money, and you know you're not alone in this, priorities shift. The game becomes an extension or even the core of your financial life, and the prospect of making real money from game stuff is soon replaced by the fear of losing potential money. They may work together so none of them are caught, or look for the first opportunity to get rid of his competition, but it's all the same. Going all out is just natural. And beyond botting and camping MVPs with great loot/card: abusing exploits is a natural step up, as otherwise, especially when you know (or at least expect) other RMTers are abusing it, you are also basically wasting an opportunity; you might as well exploit it before they find out. As 2k2 put it:

Quote from: 2k2 on Dec 08, 2023, 09:43 AMRegular players are also the kind of be more prone to report bugs and exploits to help the game become better and help in the long-term, whereas the trashy RMTer will 100% be exploiting it looking for quick gains despite knowing how much it's hurting the game and its future.
Again, think of it in general terms. It doesn't mean that normal players wouldn't abuse and stay shut (some will indeed give in to temptations), but that not everyone will exploit it, whereas RMTers will never report it.

That said, I said they're not so nuanced not because I'm playing with euphemism, but because I think there's a specific sort of RMTer which is not necessarily degenerative like that:

Quote from: ForgotMyOldAccount on Dec 08, 2023, 02:38 AMYes, exactly. But the issue is botting itself which requires more rigorous in-house security tools and cheating prevention software, not actual RMT. If players couldn't bot then RMT wouldn't be an issue to begin with. Classic case of attributing blame to the wrong issue.
Zeny for money really is the most common form of RMTing... but there's more to it. Endgame gears which are drip-fed to the market due to monopoly (like Bio3 or WSM drops), or a fully geared dude who's quitting and wants to make some money out of it, or relevant mini/MVP cards are also ripe for RMT. Regarding the last two, what's interesting about this sort of RMTing is that even an otherwise normal player could engage in it. As in, if one day you're blessed by RNG and you get some MVP card which is worth at least a thousand dollars, like a GTB, or if you're quitting, you're full +7/+9 and it's a lively server, you might feel tempted. It won't make you a monster (which doesn't mean you're not breaking rules) if you do it.

Quote from: 2k2 on Dec 08, 2023, 09:43 AMIn the past few years, it seems to be getting more and more common and accepted on brazillian and Russian non-RO game servers where the staff has their own RMT channels and fully allow players to either sell directly to other players (at their own risk, scamming allowed, so trade at your own risk), or with the staff mediating it where it's the only safe way to do it.

Beyond disgusting. Hopefully gravity burns the private server scene down before this sh*t arrives at RO.
I wouldn't be surprised if it's already a thing in RO, and it simply isn't known to the general public due to a language barrier. As an example, I know some SEA servers actually host seasonal WoEs and they reward winning guilds with hard cash, in dollars, which, to my knowledge, is restricted to them (for now?).

I don't think Gravity will move an inch to stop this, as long as their IP isn't endangered.

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Quote from: Metan on Dec 08, 2023, 10:57 AM[...]

I wouldn't be surprised if it's already a thing in RO, and it simply isn't known to the general public due to a language barrier. As an example, I know some SEA servers actually host seasonal WoEs and they reward winning guilds with hard cash, in dollars, which, to my knowledge, is restricted to them (for now?).

I don't think Gravity will move an inch to stop this, as long as their IP isn't endangered.
Definitely a thing in RO already, although not nearly as common as in other MMOs/WoW-copies, especially in these 2 specific regions I mentioned (and yeah, thanks for reminding me about SEA, forgot to add that region as it's even more prone to have this kind of stuff for RO specifically).

We know about that recent (?) ClashRO, apparently a Russian server people have been talking about here which had "RMT Tickets", which are literally instantly generated legal zeny directly bought with real life currency. As for brazillian servers, I'm pretty sure the largest one currently, RagnaTales, fully allow and incentivize RMT between players with the staff mediation option I talked about in my previous post.

Then there are also old known non-BR, RU or PH servers we know that do shady activities/RMT to specific guilds, groups or players they trust or have ties with, servers such as LimitRO (ADM Lai), TalonRO/Talon Tales (GM Seiren and Boreas) and the now defunct (good riddance) NovaRO (ADM Nova) which all have been known for years to sell GM-generated items or services.

Unlikely Gravity will do something do something against the scene as a whole yes, but I hope they at least destroy the more blatant servers and not only aim their closure but go for harsher legal actions against the server owners.

The lawsuit was supposed to start at around late 2017~early 2018 but a bad timing illness really f*** up the plans and likely made Gravity postpone it for years.
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