Instantaneous Casting

[trueblueali]

I’ve had some reservations about the very touchy topic on our server about facilitating the use of instantaneous casting. Our GM’s voted and decided that it would be advantageous to our server to customize items to give additional bonuses to dexterity. From our research, it shouldn’t take too much of a boost but there is a push for implementing dexterity boosting cards/items. (even though I am strongly against this idea)

I, personally, am against instantaneous casting because I’ve always felt like facilitating it was unbalancing. My question to you guys is, “are my beliefs in disliking instantaneous casting unfounded?”

I’m not going to debate, I just want to see what the consensus is among all of you.

If I am in fact incorrect in disliking it, what suggestions can you give on implementing it without unbalancing the game?

Thanks,

~ali 

[Guest]

imo

if they can take the time and effort to get 150dex, then they deserve the reward
so why not? XD
pretty much thats all i think of it


is it lame that i can sum up my thoughts in like 3 lines?

[InFlamesWeTrust]

Indeed...

Instant cast gives an advantage over melee based classes if it's easy to obtain.  So I'm not sure how you're server is going about adding these items, but if it's still decently hard to obtain instant cast, it's fine with me.  My problem is seeing 90% of the wizards running around spamming JT without a cast time. 

[superhappyfun]

well you can reach instant cast without customs i think already, though it is pretty damned hard to do so. so make it equally hard to do with customs and it'll be all right

[Hutchy]

If it's just an hour of hunting things (like a berz card npc) or something, ouch...

Insta-cast is nifty if you work hard to attain it, imo. Depends on how dedicated your server is to class balance.

[Guest]

well you can reach instant cast without customs i think already, though it is pretty damned hard to do so. so make it equally hard to do with customs and it'll be all right

you can get it without customs

it just requires a lot of food, a lot of gears, and a lot of dex, plus out side (other class) buffs on you

[InFlamesWeTrust]

Well, I do believe you can get instant cast without food.  The key item for any instant cast WoE Wizard is an Observation card.  For me, anyways.  +10 food is a b**** to make, so I tend to stick with a ramen hat, if your server provides one, and the boxes that give increase concentration.  That, the valk gear that gives +stats (Can't rememeber if you need the whole set or just the one that gives +1 stat or w/e) And the rest of the general +dex gears. 

[trueblueali]

For the record, yes, our server is trying to keep class balance in mind.

you can get it without customs

it just requires a lot of food, a lot of gears, and a lot of dex, plus out side (other class) buffs on you

Our Server Developer Admin made a post with a bunch tables showing what you just said. I kind of like the idea of insta cast being based on buffs/food, but the others would like something more permanent.

[InFlamesWeTrust]

Well, I was wrong.  Or I'm missing something.  I could only get +46 dex without food items(and no mvps).  If you get a vesper card and amon ra, that's +49 but still 2 off... xD  so you need a gospel buff, or like +2/+5 dex food to get instant. I may be missing something, because I could only think of the cards off the top of my head...

[superhappyfun]

how did you get that o_O the best i can get without mvp cards is 140 total, including bless.

[InFlamesWeTrust]

Observation card, ramen hat, increase concentration 1, valk armor, zerom and orlean gloves, drops cards...   I should've taken a screeny of the rode calc.  but the stats were around 99 dex, 7x(or 6x? cant remember) int, and the rest was in vit.     I can't remember the other equips I had but it came out to be 146. including bless.

[Anti-Static Foam Cleaner]

Our Server Developer Admin made a post with a bunch tables showing what you just said. I kind of like the idea of insta cast being based on buffs/food, but the others would like something more permanent.

So... 150DEX on equipment ALONE? Smack your "Server Developer Admin", seriously.

[superhappyfun]

ahh observation card. i had not thought of that. though frankly i wouldnt put it in an armor just for +5 dex...

[InFlamesWeTrust]

Well, If I had a full time pally to devotion me, I would.  But those were just hypothetical gears and builds to see if you could get instant on mainly gears.

[Guest]

x3 but i think thats a GOOD thing

something like insta cast SHOULD be something that requires food or outside buffs to get =3
i mean if you can walk around with 150 dex 100% of the time that seems kinda iffy....
but if it takes a lot of work to bring your self up to 150% for a little while then that seems better to me ^^

[CookieEater]

I don't like insta-cast on anything not Sniper or Super Novice. It just hurts too much.

[trueblueali]

Our Server Developer Admin made a post with a bunch tables showing what you just said. I kind of like the idea of insta cast being based on buffs/food, but the others would like something more permanent.

So... 150DEX on equipment ALONE? Smack your "Server Developer Admin", seriously.

Jesus Christ no.

He meant with BUFFS and DEX FOOD.

[Anti-Static Foam Cleaner]

With buffs and foods I'm pretty sure you can get just about every class to 150dex.

[Pandora]

As others said, instant is already achievable, however it takes sacrifice in both stat (vit for observation) and gears/cards, you have to sacrifice int for and other useful card/gear, so it is balanced as it is now, don't change it.

[InFlamesWeTrust]

I agree with Pandora~

[Miya]

Instant Cast...Well either it be Instant Cast or 90% delay reduction, It becomes a big deal later with certain groups of players. I'm personally against tampering with the Speed of skills/spells. I've always found that once you start getting either pure instant or no delay, It became an insane speed match. True, everyone can achieve this if they work for it, but.. In the end you got Melee-Based classes being floored by Caster-Based classes. Caster's are already integral and strong, making them instant is suicide to Melee enemies.

Since there are ways to officially gain Instant, or VERY close to it (i.e 140-149), I don't even see a reason to actually make adjustments. With the sacrifice required to even get that, it actually still leaves it balance. As you gotta think, barely anyone will go those miles. However if you got a server full of MVPing Wizzies because of instant cast, you got yourself a whole 'nother mess.

I say no to both Instant cast and delay reductions customs. Why bother doing something so drastic that you just unbalance the server. Two options = kill balance.

[superhappyfun]

you make already make casters instant with much less delay. just get a clown is max dex and max int and cast strings. and on high rates with max stat more than 99 @_@ you may even be able to reach no delay, though i havent tested this.

[bleu]

Let me introduce you to the World of Instant Cast (IC)

1. DEX gears especially those customs are much sought after

2. Some gears will be made obsolete (Phen, Bloody Butterly, Orleans Gown, etc)

3. Soloing MVPs is a common sight (SW, SG, SW, SG, etc...)

4. The benefits of partying with a priest diminishes. There is no longer a need for Bless or Suffragium. In general, people do not party much anyone. Without parties, most priests will turn into ME priests and will slowly but surely loose any full support partying skills.

5. Levelling will be much faster especially if there is no level restriction on equipping these new DEX enchanced gears

6. Since, magic caster class will become more deadly in PVP/WOE, there will be greater demand for GTB card to nullify their potential damage. Because there are so many GTB, caster class will demand a nerf on GTB.

7. Lack of parties/social interactions/too fast levelling, players get bored very fast and may quit.

8. Constant screaming of "overpowering"and "unbalanced"... err u think Wizards are the problem? Actually Champions with instant cast is a bigger nightmare. The more you temper with the game dynamics, the more you will need to further temper with it to bring new balance. (it's a never ending chain reaction)

9. Before any new updates (cards, gears) can be released in the game... you will need to re-evaluate the new gears (which you do not have full control of - Gravity designs and introduces the gears according to its wishes). You will need to contantly access with the combination of these future gears - will it once again bring unbalance to your server? which card will you nerf? which gears will not be allowed in game? Which ultimately leads to longer delays in server updates/patches. You will find your server behind everyone else.

10. Once players had a taste of IC, err... its not easy to take it away from them. They will revolt for any decisions made against their welfare.

11. With the coming introduction of 3-Class, the game mechanics will changes. IC will be a thing of the past. There will be a portion of fixed casting time- which cannot be reduced.

12. If these DEX gears are made too difficult to obtain, there will be further divide among the population. Old players vs New players. If the gap is too big, new players will be turned off and find another server where it's not too difficult to establish himself/herself (i.e. have to struggle for 3 years before you can do the same stuffs as the older guys) This will limit server growth.

[InFlamesWeTrust]

Uhm...  usually stuff like is just common sense.  People already know, they just don't bother mentioning most of it.

I have to disagree with #4.  I still play iRO, and there is certainly not a lack of FS priests. (Yes, there is wizards with instant cast) #6  I guess if you play a mid or high rate, or a server with quite a few gtbs.  But generally you wont have 1/4 of the pop running around with gtbs, usually its just a handful of people at best.  so i wouldn't recomend nerfing the gtb if you play low rates...

Err, i skimmed past the rest.... xD

[bleu]

I have to disagree with #4.  I still play iRO, and there is certainly not a lack of FS priests. (Yes, there is wizards with instant cast)

I wouldn't consider iRO a World of Instant Cast. In my World of Instant Cast, there is a great obsession of Instant Cast. Anyone who is someone will have Instant Cast. A majority of the population will have instant cast - which is not limited to Wiz, SN and Hunters. Other classes will also seek Instant Cast including Ninjas, Priests, Sages, Crusaders, Monks, Alchemist, etc... The starting sentence of every guide and advice given will be... "You will need IC". Thats the World of Instant Cast I was trying to introduce, far from the realities of iRO.

#6  I guess if you play a mid or high rate, or a server with quite a few gtbs.  But generally you wont have 1/4 of the pop running around with gtbs, usually its just a handful of people at best.  so i wouldn't recomend nerfing the gtb if you play low rates...

This may be true. However, you may have forgotten an alternative and easier way of obtaining rare cards. Its called Donations. It does not matter, if its low, medium, high or super high for that matter, if donation for GTB or any great cards are allowed, its with great certainty that the server will be flooded with them. Exception is only when the GTB is nerfed to the extend its no longer a realiable method of reducing significant magical damage or another custom gear/cards/etc exist which is even better.

Uhm...  usually stuff like is just common sense.  People already know, they just don't bother mentioning most of it.

If it was truely common sense as you said. How does one explain why the GMs from trueblueali's server voted and have already decided that it would be advantageous to their server to customize items to give additional bonuses to dexterity?

[Hutchy]

Some people lack common sense.

[Artariko]

I hate people that go with donates to get all there stats to like 3000 its stupid and it sucks T.T

[InFlamesWeTrust]

Meh.  For some reason I can't think of a response.  Like, at all. .___.'

So I'll just quote someone so I don't have to actually try and think of anything.

Some people lack common sense.

I'll respond later with a more...  uhm..  dang...  a more thought out post...

There's something wrong with my brain tonight O_O'

[Hutchy]

Meh.  For some reason I can't think of a response.  Like, at all. .___.'

So I'll just quote someone so I don't have to actually try and think of anything.

Some people lack common sense.

I'll respond later with a more...  uhm..  dang...  a more thought out post...

There's something wrong with my brain tonight O_O'

XD

[Artariko]

Theres something wrong with all our Brains.....