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Title: How would the perfect Ragnarok private server's website look like
Post by: Transcend on Jul 16, 2007, 12:02 AM
I plan on making a GOOD GOOD GODLy website,id like to know what you guys think
First:
How should it be?
horrizental menu,or vertical? submenus?
many buttons? or respect the standard wich is 5 and include submenus
also the content :D
Tell me what you think
Title: Re: How would the perfect Ragnarok private server's website look like
Post by: Pandora on Jul 16, 2007, 02:41 PM
I don't think there is 1 "perfect" option, anything graphical is subjective. Perhaps make a few sample look and show them to people who would be representative of your "target" people.
Title: Re: How would the perfect Ragnarok private server's website look like
Post by: pupu on Jul 16, 2007, 05:35 PM
Something that's simple and isn't too over-detailed. Provides server information, latest news, downloads and a link to the forums.
Title: Re: How would the perfect Ragnarok private server's website look like
Post by: sineas on Jul 16, 2007, 06:10 PM
I know my website fell short on a few key points but just follow the http://www.w3.org/TR/WAI-WEBCONTENT/#toc guide and all should go well. The guide is rather written a long time ago but barely has changed.
Title: Re: How would the perfect Ragnarok private server's website look like
Post by: Transcend on Jul 16, 2007, 09:54 PM
first attempt
here (http://www.py-ro.com)
Title: Re: How would the perfect Ragnarok private server's website look like
Post by: Glenn on Jul 16, 2007, 10:44 PM
It's kind of wide... >.>

I don't like to side-scroll, personally.

Though the layout looks nice. Maybe change the text style/color. Black Time New Roman is so boring.

That's just my opinion though.
Title: Re: How would the perfect Ragnarok private server's website look like
Post by: Transcend on Jul 16, 2007, 11:15 PM
nono i like opinions however they are so don t be shy lol
any way,hmm must find make it less wide
but usualy if you have a 1280X800res you shouldn t scroll
also where exactly do you suggest changing the font?
Title: Re: How would the perfect Ragnarok private server's website look like
Post by: yC on Jul 17, 2007, 01:37 AM
hammer time!

Yes, Transcend you have to take care of people like me that don't have a widescreen monitor and i think widescreen is not widely used yet ... tho my laptop is widescreen i dont use it much ... and i love my mouse that has horizontal scroll again not everyone has that.  So for picky ppl like me horizontal scroll is a BIG NO NO ... You don't see it on most site, that tells you something wrong with it.  Most ppl uses 1024x768 ...

To be more straight forward, horizontal scroll make a site look unprofessional, visitors are going to think the maker don't know what he/she is doing, make navigation difficult ... etc

I like this <link removed> alone but it is only used as the background image mixed with the banner ... can just make the site load faster without it, just take the top part and use as part of the banner

and lol at news images ...

I see you trying to be good at graphic xD keep working on it.

Sorry if i sound like flaming you ... I am not good at making graphic but just saying stuff ;D

Okay are you laecertus? you just made a new forum acct to name it after your server?
Title: Re: How would the perfect Ragnarok private server's website look like
Post by: Transcend on Jul 17, 2007, 01:40 AM
huh ok il repair that tomorow
and why do you care if im laecertus the kid or no <_<?
and i changed my name because my background sucks !!!!>_>
Title: Re: How would the perfect Ragnarok private server's website look like
Post by: GoldDean on Jul 17, 2007, 02:35 AM
Poorly tiled JPEG background. No tables. Times New Roman font aligned to the left of the page, yellow text. Broken links and a guestbook.
Title: Re: How would the perfect Ragnarok private server's website look like
Post by: pupu on Jul 17, 2007, 04:55 AM
Quote from: GoldDean on Jul 17, 2007, 02:35 AM
Poorly tiled JPEG background. No tables. Times New Roman font aligned to the left of the page, yellow text. Broken links and a guestbook.

LOL.
Title: Re: How would the perfect Ragnarok private server's website look like
Post by: sineas on Jul 17, 2007, 07:18 AM
Quote from: Transcend on Jul 16, 2007, 11:15 PM
any way,hmm must find make it less wide
but usualy if you have a 1280X800res you shouldn t scroll
I have a maxed out 1440x900 res on my 16:10 lcd monitor and I still scroll, so I guess you miscalculated something ;D. I rather you make your banner cut down in height (maybe take a quarter or half that) to ensure a one page fit. You might also want to go set it at the most commonly used res.
Title: Re: How would the perfect Ragnarok private server's website look like
Post by: Transcend on Jul 17, 2007, 10:32 AM
Quote from: pupu on Jul 17, 2007, 04:55 AM
Quote from: GoldDean on Jul 17, 2007, 02:35 AM
Poorly tiled JPEG background. No tables. Times New Roman font aligned to the left of the page, yellow text. Broken links and a guestbook.

LOL.
tables x_x???
Title: Re: How would the perfect Ragnarok private server's website look like
Post by: Mieu on Jul 17, 2007, 10:46 AM
Considering the listed e-mail on the site is [email protected], yC, I think you're right on the money. ;p

Making a site that will be 'compatible' with all screen resolutions is key.  Make a banner thats a small graphic that can be aligned left, center, or right, and another even smaller repeating graphic to 'fill in' the banner area's total width (hint hint, Riot's guidelines for making a forum banner).  Make sure you're also using %s rather than actual pixel sizes for the larger tables, because then they and most everything in them will simply stretch to the person's browser size.

Title: Re: How would the perfect Ragnarok private server's website look like
Post by: Transcend on Jul 17, 2007, 11:57 AM
Quote from: Mieu on Jul 17, 2007, 10:46 AM
Considering the listed e-mail on the site is [email protected], yC, I think you're right on the money. ;p

im screwed do you have an idea of what i did in the past @_@!! please edit that post of yours x_x!
Posted on: July 17, 2007, 03:05:50 AM
sorry for double post
second attempt here (http://www.py-ro.com)
Title: Re: How would the perfect Ragnarok private server's website look like
Post by: yC on Jul 17, 2007, 03:22 PM
Quote from: GoldDean on Jul 17, 2007, 02:35 AM
Poorly tiled JPEG background. No tables. Times New Roman font aligned to the left of the page, yellow text. Broken links and a guestbook.

now that make me feel better.

Quote from: Transcend on Jul 17, 2007, 11:57 AM
im screwed do you have an idea of what i did in the past @_@!! please edit that post of yours x_x!
Posted on: July 17, 2007, 03:05:50 AM
sorry for double post
second attempt www.google.com (http://www.google.com)

I remember the name and i think you were just a looking for gm pos back in the past was it? nothing harmful? maybe i'll search the forum name and see :D

and wasn't that you i asked in #athena the other day if you are Trancend?
Title: Re: How would the perfect Ragnarok private server's website look like
Post by: Transcend on Jul 17, 2007, 06:20 PM
Quote from: yC on Jul 17, 2007, 03:22 PM
Quote from: GoldDean on Jul 17, 2007, 02:35 AM
Poorly tiled JPEG background. No tables. Times New Roman font aligned to the left of the page, yellow text. Broken links and a guestbook.

now that make me feel better.

Quote from: Transcend on Jul 17, 2007, 11:57 AM
im screwed do you have an idea of what i did in the past @_@!! please edit that post of yours x_x!
Posted on: July 17, 2007, 03:05:50 AM
sorry for double post
second attempt www.google.com (http://www.google.com)

I remember the name and i think you were just a looking for gm pos back in the past was it? nothing harmful? maybe i'll search the forum name and see :D

and wasn't that you i asked in #athena the other day if you are Trancend?
On your forum there are only things about what happened to potion networks @_@ most of the "bad"stories were done in-game or in irc
x_X!
Back to the website ,any more complains x_x???
(and yes now im admin of 2servs :P!)
Title: Re: How would the perfect Ragnarok private server's website look like
Post by: Rbread on Jul 17, 2007, 07:08 PM
Still scrolling, don't give it a fixed width.  I personally like a Web 2.0 feel or something that looks like a lot of time has been put into.  If I was to rate your current layout, I'd give it a 80^3-511999 out of 10 (+1 for effort)
Title: Re: How would the perfect Ragnarok private server's website look like
Post by: Transcend on Jul 17, 2007, 07:29 PM
i can do web2.0 but it dosen t realy suit RO sites well ;/
and you don t scroll Verticvaly now
Title: Re: How would the perfect Ragnarok private server's website look like
Post by: Glenn on Jul 17, 2007, 10:15 PM
I use 1024x768, it still scrolls. =S

Still boring Times New Roman - Black, and the CP button got tucked under Home Page when it shrunk it.


Though, It's allot better then allot of the other servers out there.. sadly  >.>

Title: Re: How would the perfect Ragnarok private server's website look like
Post by: Transcend on Jul 17, 2007, 10:22 PM
YOU STILL SCROLL VERTICALY O_o...?
Will start making another style of template.
il try something like rocards x_x
Title: Re: How would the perfect Ragnarok private server's website look like
Post by: sineas on Jul 18, 2007, 03:47 AM
yes it still scrolls even on my 16:10@1440x900

The different text sizes also look kinda odd and awkward. I would strongly suggest you use one size text. If you can't do away with only 1 size, then just make sure that you just use 1 size larger. ;)

(http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/3073/pyroxa2.jpg)
(http://img256.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pyroxa2.jpg)
Title: Re: How would the perfect Ragnarok private server's website look like
Post by: yC on Jul 18, 2007, 04:54 AM
VERTICALLY scroll is fine with me it's everywhere ...

horizontal scroll is still there, well very little but still

and it's weird u use sereon for one server and ceres for another ... wonder why

Question: are you the person that made those flash job guides?  They are kinda cute.
Title: Re: How would the perfect Ragnarok private server's website look like
Post by: Glenn on Jul 18, 2007, 07:45 AM
I don't mind vertical scrolling either, but I do mind horizontal.
Title: Re: How would the perfect Ragnarok private server's website look like
Post by: Pandora on Jul 18, 2007, 09:09 AM
If you are making a website for people using a certain resolution, for example 1024x768, your site has to actually be smaller than that to take into account the browser's interface, you loose a chunk of space at the top because of the browser's menus, url bar, etc. Try to aim for something like 1000x650 and center it so people with bigger resolution still see a nice website.
Title: Re: How would the perfect Ragnarok private server's website look like
Post by: Transcend on Jul 18, 2007, 02:28 PM
Quote from: yC on Jul 18, 2007, 04:54 AM
VERTICALLY scroll is fine with me it's everywhere ...

horizontal scroll is still there, well very little but still

and it's weird u use sereon for one server and ceres for another ... wonder why

Question: are you the person that made those flash job guides?  They are kinda cute.
huh there are many flash things on my website x_x
the woe castle guides are done by me
the job personality test is a cheap iRO replacement <_<

i use sereon for the High rate because the HR is hosted @ancycker
i use CeresCP for LR (but trying to make my own tough not much with php)
Posted on: July 18, 2007, 05:55:32 AM
3rd attempt,simple template while respecting the navigation rules(thigs i could read in W3C thingy )www.google.com (http://www.google.com)
If this dosen t cut it il try a flash website x_x
Title: Re: How would the perfect Ragnarok private server's website look like
Post by: Gryphin on Jul 18, 2007, 07:35 PM
Stop changing website dummy!
Title: Re: How would the perfect Ragnarok private server's website look like
Post by: Rbread on Jul 18, 2007, 10:49 PM
It's kinda still an eyesore.  Your choice of color scheme is okay.  However, orange+image to the left+buttons+font just doesn't fit really well together. 

P.S Some of your things look like a quick photoshop job.
Title: Re: How would the perfect Ragnarok private server's website look like
Post by: Transcend on Jul 18, 2007, 11:29 PM
What kind of font would you recomend? also remove the thief ? x_x
Title: Re: How would the perfect Ragnarok private server's website look like
Post by: sineas on Jul 18, 2007, 11:48 PM
Much better... a complete 1 page fit.

Some suggestions too... see if it would look nice:
1. the theif is messing up your buttons. move it or take it off
2. if you have to retain your banner heading, try to move the Transcend Network logo in front of the priest and a little lower on the chest area (maybe the stomach area would be perfect) so it would look like it's openning it's arms to give you something.
3. experiment on different colors on the Transcend Network logo, the red doesn't pop out. also try not to use transparency

But like I said... it's way better than before... love the orange theme /no1
Title: Re: How would the perfect Ragnarok private server's website look like
Post by: Transcend on Jul 19, 2007, 12:59 AM
ok will do taht tomorow x_x
Title: Re: How would the perfect Ragnarok private server's website look like
Post by: sineas on Jul 19, 2007, 05:24 AM
Oh yeah 1 more thing... as I tried clicking on some links on your site...

"Don't lose your website" Your website should always stay as reference. Have all offsite/external link open another browser or tab. Some offsite links on your website uses the current browser which would totally lose your website. Using the back button isn't user friendly ;D
Title: Re: How would the perfect Ragnarok private server's website look like
Post by: Emeralda on Jul 19, 2007, 07:22 AM
I really like how PSIblade's site is made (note: I've never played there so as not to be judged of advertising). It's really pleasing for the eye, the announcments are 'forum like' (quite nice avatars with the name of the poster on the left), all the neccessary elements are there, it's clear and easily readable.
Title: Re: How would the perfect Ragnarok private server's website look like
Post by: Transcend on Jul 19, 2007, 12:44 PM
It does look nice,i didn t know Div layouts were popular(makes your forum news appear on website)
Posted on: July 19, 2007, 01:50:52 AM
Changed the menu BG and the TXT BG + added an independant flash guest book :3
Title: Re: How would the perfect Ragnarok private server's website look like
Post by: Emeralda on Jul 19, 2007, 01:02 PM
   Not to be rude but that banner of yours is quite crappy. The lightning source on the renders fails and the strokes around those are unnecessary. Reducing opacity isn't good as well. You could probably go without any renders, except for the city stock, you would just have to focus on the font, it's awful.
   The orange background hurts my eyes badly (well, it could have been worse, you could've chosen red which would be an instant kill~). The buttons on the left just won't do. You get the feeling that they should stick to each other or be very, very close (not more than 3 pixels). The lower right corner when that overlayed character on the background is makes the text not too readable. News box - links with just the title of it won't do. I really love to read announcments when they are on the main page (reffer to the PSIblade main page), and when they are really often updated (gives the feeling of a lively server). Maybe try making it without the space on the top? You know, where the 'border' above the banner is where you can see the background.
   It gives a quite bad impression as well. But I'll be really nice and judge that main page as average- at most. If it improves in time I might even not be discouraged by it and see what lies inside~
Title: Re: How would the perfect Ragnarok private server's website look like
Post by: Transcend on Jul 19, 2007, 02:14 PM
-1.The banner should have less renders?
-2.Removing the top,
-3.Changing the BG to what?
-4.Reducing menu marge
-5.get a good,formal annoucement page that takes it s source from th IPB fofo
those are the suggestions from your ,they do make sense but banner with less renders :'( why T_T,?
and no one told me what font to use yet(just a tip)
also for the BG ,what to do what to do :/
Title: Re: How would the perfect Ragnarok private server's website look like
Post by: Emeralda on Jul 19, 2007, 02:52 PM
Not that it should have less. Just in this case, where renders seem to be randomly pasted without caring for the whole, it might look better. But still, there's nothing better than a banner made by someone who knows what he's doing. I usually see only couple of such on a really big forum (sadly none on this so far). It would be best to just change the whole banner. Also, when placing a text on banners, they should be visible (unlike on sigs). Your font won't do at all (the 'transcend something' text's one) and it uses unnecessary or rather badly chosen layer styles.

You could give a simple line to divide it from the browsers interface. But here the problem with the top that it has a really crappy background.

And the background should be something not so 'eye-damaging'. Try with a simple gradient (as in, one colour darker and the second same but lighter) for starters to see what colour scheme would fit.

I don't know what 4th point means...

Dunno about IPB one, but the one on PSIblade is one of the best looking ways to make announcements I've seen. At least for me. Gah, their page has a totally awesome design~

Title: Re: How would the perfect Ragnarok private server's website look like
Post by: Transcend on Jul 22, 2007, 07:51 PM
Updated BG,no more diference between menu's!
Title: Re: How would the perfect Ragnarok private server's website look like
Post by: speifer10 on Jul 23, 2007, 03:22 AM
Quote from: GoldDean on Jul 17, 2007, 02:35 AM
Poorly tiled JPEG background. No tables. Times New Roman font aligned to the left of the page, yellow text. Broken links and a guestbook.

Incorrect spelling
just need to change it abit so it would make more sense. But overall tis an ok for me.
Title: Re: How would the perfect Ragnarok private server's website look like
Post by: Emeralda on Jul 23, 2007, 06:29 AM
Quote from: Transcend on Jul 22, 2007, 07:51 PM
Updated BG

Where? I don't see a difference. The main colour scheme is still eye-damaging orange.

Quote from: Transcend on Jul 22, 2007, 07:51 PM
no more diference between menu's!


Now notice how empty the left side is. More or less like the right part which could be described as below 'nothing special'.
Title: Re: How would the perfect Ragnarok private server's website look like
Post by: Transcend on Jul 23, 2007, 07:32 AM
aya what you are saying dosen t make much sense to me X______x!
eye damaging?
empty right side ?
empty left side=got a solution for it :)
Title: Re: How would the perfect Ragnarok private server's website look like
Post by: Emeralda on Jul 23, 2007, 07:54 AM
Hmmm... the colours you used there doesn't make it too pleasing for the eye. And there are a lot of empty spaces which spoil the general look of it. If you take the menu for example, above and below it there is nothing and that space just asks to be filled with something. The right and center are occupied by text in random boxes on a badly suited background (at least it looks like that from my perspective). Maybe if they had own background. And try to use calmer and lighter colours for it.
Title: Re: How would the perfect Ragnarok private server's website look like
Post by: Transcend on Jul 23, 2007, 08:32 AM
i don t know much about colors,light or calm or furious xD,got a link :)?
Title: Re: How would the perfect Ragnarok private server's website look like
Post by: Rbread on Aug 02, 2007, 06:06 PM
His site is now open.  All previously links have been removed.  All future linking will be prohibited.
Title: Re: How would the perfect Ragnarok private server's website look like
Post by: Transcend on Aug 04, 2007, 12:17 PM
Quote from: Riotblade on Aug 02, 2007, 06:06 PM
His site is now open.  All previously links have been removed.  All future linking will be prohibited.
What?

So anymore suggestions x_x?
Title: Re: How would the perfect Ragnarok private server's website look like
Post by: dorkritual on Feb 18, 2008, 01:49 PM
If you want a great website that looks really pro, I reccomend this guy. He's hella good!!

[email protected]   (msn)

He's spot on and not too expensive :)
Title: Re: How would the perfect Ragnarok private server's website look like
Post by: KielSolomon18 on May 05, 2009, 12:01 AM
           My suggestion is you should have a attractive banner in your front page. And the topic is in general with the help of power content.



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Title: Re: How would the perfect Ragnarok private server's website look like
Post by: LiteX on May 05, 2009, 05:13 AM
Quote from: KielSolomon18 on May 05, 2009, 12:01 AM
           My suggestion is you should have a attractive banner in your front page. And the topic is in general with the help of power content.



_________________
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Umm... he requested this in Mid-2007, times change dude.
Title: Re: How would the perfect Ragnarok private server's website look like
Post by: horo on May 05, 2009, 06:56 AM
While this topic got resurrected, I think http://www.eternityro.net/ (http://www.eternityro.net/) is about the perfect server homepage.
Title: Re: How would the perfect Ragnarok private server's website look like
Post by: TensaiKato on May 05, 2009, 09:02 AM
www.talonro.com (http://www.talonro.com)
- Awesome Design.
- Good new system.
- Optimized Navigation.
- DHTML technology.