Copyable trans skill totally make stalker overpower ?!

[peno]

As alot of people noticed stalker is really weak trans class.

Intimidate looks good but useless as a rouge because u will lose ur skill as soon as u got hit by other skill.
Preserve should be a rogue skill not a stalker skill. 

Stalker is one of most least play class because they simply suck.
However I think this can fixed by lets rogue copy trans skill.

What do you think about it ? Will it make stalker godly overpowered ?
Or stalker should stayed with bowling bash and storm gust forever ?

[Relics]

Stalker with acid demonstration is kind of OP, given he has the materials to do so..
For one, imagine it as a creator who can shadow walk.. pretty nasty

then there's sacrifice with bow.. which can be a problem.
Gospel can damage, and is trans so is also copyable.. then stalker would be one hell of a support with strip/freezing bow + gospel for team lol.

[peno]

I dont think scarifice can be copy its look like self buff more than offensive skill.
Neither the gospel since you just sing a song ?  (its like saying you can copy unchained serenade but you cant)

However the idea of being stalk anywhere without notice and surpised acid bomb does scary and may resulting as creators extincted instead of stalkers.
It still does rise an question tho does it overpowered as much as edp sinx ?

What do you think about other skills like Traumatic Blow,Soul Destoryer,Gravity Field,Napalm Vulcan,Rapid Smith,FAS ?

[Sarin]

Neither the gospel since you just sing a song ?  (its like saying you can copy unchained serenade but you cant)

If trans skills would be copyable, gospel will be obtainable this way since it also does some (little) damage to enemies.

the problem with stalker and trans skills is that you could possibly use strip, chase walk/tunnel drive and some nuke, resulting in overpowered class.

[Gankz]

Well at the very least shadow chasers can copy third class skills with Reproduce.

[Wikebine]

Sac + bow = so awesome. Used that on one very, very broken server. From experience with servers that let stalkers copy trans skills, you can copy gospel, and use it. Also, what the heck are you saying, stalkers suck? Stalkers are awesome.

[peno]

I never play in a server which stalker can copy trans skills before.

I dont get sacrifice with bow part ? Anyone mind to explain it to me ?
I believed its your weapon card % + your hp ?

Its really amazed when people complain how overpowered a stalker could be if allowed to copy a trans class skill when a shadow chaser can copy 3rd class with full strip and nobody complained about it.

Has anyone notice lately ?

[wireless]

Sacrifice with bow doesn't sound that good to me... maybe on servers with higher max stats but on 99/70 even with maxed vit stalker's hp is much lower than pally's, and aspd just sucks with bow. Pretty much any class could outpot that without trouble   stalker with acid demo sounds fun though  

[Ganondorf]

As alot of people noticed stalker is really weak trans class.

- I've heard ignorant people say that, that's about it though.

Intimidate looks good but useless as a rouge because u will lose ur skill as soon as u got hit by other skill.
Preserve should be a rogue skill not a stalker skill. 

- That's just how they made the class work.  Not like it's hard to train a bow Rogue anyways, there isn't really a need for copying skills during Rogue if it's built properly.

Stalker is one of most least play class because they simply suck.
However I think this can fixed by lets rogue copy trans skill.

- Every class is played enough in my opinion.  It depends on your server, the personal tastes of those around you at a given time, or just luck of the draw.

What do you think about it ? Will it make stalker godly overpowered ?

- Yes, it would.  Giving a Stalker Acid Demonstration would just be murder.  Acceptable Stalker players can prove to be a pain in the donkey to kill in the first place.  Now you'd want them to be able to cast Acid Demonstration on you, use Chase Walk/Tunnel Drive and rinse and repeat?  Your idea of balance is just as deranged as majority of individuals I see.  Good show.

Or stalker should stayed with bowling bash and storm gust forever ?

- Those are only the most common uses of them on 99/70 servers, yes.  It doesn't mean that's their only good use though.  Stalkers are one of those classes where you have to use your imagination to succeed.

[Relics]

I never play in a server which stalker can copy trans skills before.

I dont get sacrifice with bow part ? Anyone mind to explain it to me ?
I believed its your weapon card % + your hp ?

Ranged sacrifice, couple that with something like tao or HP Gear on stalker and you've got strip + a skill that does loads of damage, ranged.

[peno]

I'm talking about 99/70 server so lets cut out the high rate and super high rate one. 

"- Yes, it would.  Giving a Stalker Acid Demonstration would just be murder.  Acceptable Stalker players can prove to be a pain in the donkey to kill in the first place.  Now you'd want them to be able to cast Acid Demonstration on you, use Chase Walk/Tunnel Drive and rinse and repeat?  Your idea of balance is just as deranged as majority of individuals I see.  Good show."

You just being stupid and overreacting in this topic.In the worst case if stalker could copy AD its just same as cloaked SINX EDP and SB and yet I see any creator can one shot yet.
I've played 2 stalkers already bow type and int type in low rate server.I'm fully aware what a stalker can do and can not.

And thanks you for explaining Relics.

[Tom~]

Stalkers can strip, plus AD breaks equipment. It'd more OP than you think, really.

[Gankz]

You can't even copy sacrifice with trans skills enabled. It adds damage to your attacks, you're not actually casting the skill, despite it showing that it is.

Try it out on a test server configured to allow trans skills to be copied.

[uncelebrated]

FSK = best skill to copy.

[Chojiro]

orly

[xKevin]

Imagine this:

Shadow Chaser with FSK reproduced and Sacrifice preserved (this happens in a lot of servers I've played in before).  SC FSK's unsuspecting victim, "Oh you don't have FCP, bye then" Strips victim, types /e4, backslides then uses ranged sacri. Poof, target dead.

Enabling transcendent skills to be copied by Stalkers/Rogues/Shadow Chasers doesn't make them OP at all.  IMO, it adds another perspective on how to use the class. I myself prefer to use Soul Breaker in Stalkers.

And I've found something more retarded than that. What's with other servers having custom items that give Plagiarism lvl 15?? o.O?

[kolela]

I am imagining level 11 heal with that plagiarism D:

[CAPSLOCK]

Stalker is already "overpowered" without transcendent skills...I don't know why people play Ragnarok Online thinking their class is suppose to kill.  That's like the wild imagination of a Super Novice killing a High Priest in PvP, it's very unlikely.  Know your role and you will see what Stalkers are meant to do.

[Gankz]

Stalker is already "overpowered" without transcendent skills...I don't know why people play Ragnarok Online thinking their class is suppose to kill.  That's like the wild imagination of a Super Novice killing a High Priest in PvP, it's very unlikely.  Know your role and you will see what Stalkers are meant to do.

If you wanna play that game, then stalkers are useless unless they're a guild leader. Anyone who is anyone will have fcp on them and other classes are better suited for statusing/precasting/whatever. Stalkers are absolute s***, dunno what you're smoking.

[xKevin]

Stalker is already "overpowered" without transcendent skills...I don't know why people play Ragnarok Online thinking their class is suppose to kill.  That's like the wild imagination of a Super Novice killing a High Priest in PvP, it's very unlikely.  Know your role and you will see what Stalkers are meant to do.

Then you sir, do not know how to play the class. They may not be as resilient as Snipers or Assassin Crosses in killing, but they still have the potential

[CAPSLOCK]

If you wanna play that game, then stalkers are useless unless they're a guild leader. Anyone who is anyone will have fcp on them and other classes are better suited for statusing/precasting/whatever. Stalkers are absolute s***, dunno what you're smoking.

What game? Ragnarok Online? Been to Battlegrounds or WoE SE lately? I never said Stalkers were overpowered or not overpowered either; notice the quotes.  All the classes are pretty balanced if there are equal amount of each classes on a server.  There are more than one way to play a Stalker other than to be a recall/stripper b**** as well.

Then you sir, do not know how to play the class. They may not be as resilient as Snipers or Assassin Crosses in killing, but they still have the potential

You lost me when you group Snipers and Assassin Crosses together when it comes to killing.  And I never said Stalkers couldn't kill either, I just said unlikely as in there are better classes suited for that role like Creators and SinX or even Snipers. It's the same reason behind why you wouldn't make a FS Super Novice as to a FS High Priest.

[xKevin]

Obviously, you're seeing the game in a limited perspective. Try other servers, other rates and you'll see what I'm talking about.

[CAPSLOCK]

I don't really know how to reply to that...because...I never said you were right/wrong nor did I make any real claim about Stalkers and didn't really deny anything...And what do you mean other servers/rates?  I've pretty much played almost every possible rates ever since private servers for RO was introduced.  Getting a little off topic here, but I guess it was unavoidable. 

Anyway, of course if transcendent skills were plagiarist-able it would make Stalker overpowered because that's the whole reason they weren't able to plagiarist those skills in the first place.  And are they weak/only used for recall at the moment? hardly.

[xKevin]

The fact that you still think that copying trans skills make them overpowered proves that you haven't played the game from different perspectives. Custom items and modifications vary from server to server, giving stalkers diversity when it comes to how you play the class. Although it may seem imbalanced, please do keep in mind that plagiarized skills will never be as strong as the original. i.e. a stalker geared for storm gust will never be as strong as a fully geared wizard, or for the sake of transcendent skills, a stalker's base HP is not as high as a paladin's base hp. My point is, stalkers sacrifice raw power for diversity, and IMO, that makes it balanced.

[CAPSLOCK]

On the contrary, an instant cast Stalker casting Storm Gust is actually better than an instant cast High Wizard casting Storm Gust.  Reason being that the sprite animation for Stalker is much faster than that of a High Wizard and the fact that nobody expect Storm Gust/Lord of Vermilion/or Meteor Storm to kill in WoE or PvP for that matter, so having a little more MATK on a High Wizard seems invalid when comparing their viability in WoE or PvP.

I'm not too sure with AD as well, but I think Stalker is much better suited for ADing if both Creators and Stalkers had instant cast.  That's why most Creators in WoE SE prefer 190 ASPD spamming mediocre ADs.

I don't really know how to further elaborate on this and the only thing left for me to write is telling you to consider why Gravity never made transcendent skills copyable for Stalkers in the first place.  If it was ever obtainable to Stalkers there would be some serious damage nerfs and or cooldown no matter what precast you're in.

[Gankz]

On the contrary, an instant cast Stalker casting Storm Gust is actually better than an instant cast High Wizard casting Storm Gust.  Reason being that the sprite animation for Stalker is much faster than that of a High Wizard and the fact that nobody expect Storm Gust/Lord of Vermilion/or Meteor Storm to kill in WoE or PvP for that matter, so having a little more MATK on a High Wizard seems invalid when comparing their viability in WoE or PvP.

I'm not too sure with AD as well, but I think Stalker is much better suited for ADing if both Creators and Stalkers had instant cast.  That's why most Creators in WoE SE prefer 190 ASPD spamming mediocre ADs.

I don't really know how to further elaborate on this and the only thing left for me to write is telling you to consider why Gravity never made transcendent skills copyable for Stalkers in the first place.  If it was ever obtainable to Stalkers there would be some serious damage nerfs and or cooldown no matter what precast you're in.

You're argument is out the window. You officially don't know anything about WoE.

[CAPSLOCK]

Okay.

[xKevin]

Once again, you talk in a limited perspective. Use your damn brain to think out of the box will you?

[CookieEater]

And I've found something more retarded than that. What's with other servers having custom items that give Plagiarism lvl 15?? o.O?

Monster skills can go up to... 28, I think is the highest I've seen for a Jupitel Thunder. Level 15 magic hurts.

[junimir]

yes is OP. but the long years i played RO all i can say is Stalker class is a good support job not a good killer maybe in super high rate stalker is best in killing

[SpaceFalcon]

The only problem with them is how people see a stalker... someone who can't cast EDP and click a skill for 10k damage. Someone who can't click an asura hotkey, someone who can't mash matyrs reckoning.

Get the idea.?

This is why in-expierenced players have a hard time using them (like the OP), because diversity isn't something easy to pick up. Stalkers have a role of SCREWING everyone over.. and just because FCP is on someone doesn't mean you're completely out of options. I don't really wanna go in detail over this.

[datme]

As long as eAthena bugs aren't properly fixed Stalker is a killer.

Kaite and North Wind anyone?
Or Dragon Fire Formation on some servers.

[renamed]

@gank mr rellics already looked at sprite animations, they might look fast, but the total frames of their animations are the same

for all jobs

[Carpediem]

Well. Stalkers are one of the life-savers of WoE. Without stalkers. Its byebye ecalls.
They can pass through damages, sneak around players and even ecall at the strangest times~

Stalkers with skills like Sacrifice, Acid Demonstration, and or Shield Chain.
Is completely unbalanced. Ive been on a server. Who allowed Stalkers to do these. I could say it was balanced because it was a SHR and it gave stalkers more of a chance to participate. But you are missing the point that Stalkers can ALSO full strip.

[datme]

Stalkers with skills like Sacrifice, Acid Demonstration, and or Shield Chain.
Is completely unbalanced.

Not really. Sacrifice or Shield Chain in WoE are both terrible, even on a Stalker. Acid Demonstration however would be the most OP thing in the game. The main reason Stalkers are used at the moment is to ''tank'' dispells(Dispell immunity, remember?) for Creators and to provide a form of secondary damage to the opponent creators. A stalker with AD would basicly be a dispell immune Creator.