Autoattack or BotOn system

[mrfizi]

Good day to everyone!

Let's discuss Ragnarok Online's new feature (non-official feature). People disliked bots in RO, however many servers, including the Ragnarok Lanverse, now use the autoattack/boton system.

Are these features good? Or did it ruin the true RO experience?

[Zulf]

Autoplay = You aren't playing the game + the game was designed with this mode in mind.

Looking at you, Disgaea 6 and War of the Visions.

[caupls]

servers are using this feature as a way to "inflate" population and make it seem that their server has many active players that arent technically bots

this is why you usually see this feature on pinoy-made servers cuz for pinoys, server population is a big thing

and as for landverse, its the same thing, crypto games would do anything to make it seem like their game has decent DAUs

[distilled1]

Good day to everyone!

Let's discuss Ragnarok Online's new feature (non-official feature). People disliked bots in RO, however many servers, including the Ragnarok Lanverse, now use the autoattack/boton system.

Are these features good? Or did it ruin the true RO experience?

It ruins the RO experience in my opinion, and in the opinion of many others as you mentioned who dislike bots in RO.
These characters who are auto-attacking are left to play the game, soullessly, without a real person behind it. So it's no different from a bot. You can't interact with that character, and the world feels dead without character interaction.

If I ever see servers advertising these type of "auto" gameplay features, I immediately turn 360 degrees and walk away.

[Felione]

It ruins the RO experience in my opinion, and in the opinion of many others as you mentioned who dislike bots in RO.
These characters who are auto-attacking are left to play the game, soullessly, without a real person behind it. So it's no different from a bot. You can't interact with that character, and the world feels dead without character interaction.

If I ever see servers advertising these type of "auto" gameplay features, I immediately turn 360 degrees and walk away.

It's very ironic that you speak of the ro experience, and mention soulless bots, when the initial server, along with a parody game of ragnarok, exhibited bots as a norm. It was part of the experience, and it was an interesting one at that. Your personal view of ro, is not some staple. I can also see you dislike multiclienting, which is also part of the ro experience. Maybe you should go back in time and actually experience what this game was, and stop trying to mold some person experience that you had not too long ago.

[mrfizi]

That's what everyone thinks. While some find it disagreeable, others find it attractive.

[distilled1]

It's very ironic that you speak of the ro experience, and mention soulless bots, when the initial server, along with a parody game of ragnarok, exhibited bots as a norm. It was part of the experience, and it was an interesting one at that. Your personal view of ro, is not some staple. I can also see you dislike multiclienting, which is also part of the ro experience. Maybe you should go back in time and actually experience what this game was, and stop trying to mold some person experience that you had not too long ago.

Were you drunk or high when you wrote that? lol

"It's very ironic?"
No it's not.
"The initial server? Some parody?"
Bro, no one cares about some spinoffs or Ragnarok Alpha before anyone gave a crap, or whatever you're getting at. That was not the "true RO experience" or the golden age of RO.

The golden age of RO was roughly between 2003-2006 when it was at its peak worldwide popularity, when there were countless servers for many countries, and back then people had to pay a subscription to play, so unlike after it became free to make a million bot accounts, there were little to no bots in the golden age of RO.
People didn't typically ask their parents for more than one RO account unless they were really well off. So yeah multi-clienting was not common at all.
Why you pretending like I wasn't there?

Also, what is this. You clearly read where I said "in my opinion" and you then go on to imply I'm claiming what I say is supposed to be a staple opinion.
What are you smoking?

[iixe]

The golden age of RO was roughly between 2003-2006 when it was at its peak worldwide popularity, when there were countless servers for many countries, and back then people had to pay a subscription to play, so unlike after it became free to make a million bot accounts, there were little to no bots in the golden age of RO.
People didn't typically ask their parents for more than one RO account unless they were really well off. So yeah multi-clienting was not common at all.
Why you pretending like I wasn't there?

Why do you try to make the one client play basicly a law when not even officials had this?
Always wondered what people like YOU are smoking when coming up with such ideas. Majority of servers lose their population within the first 2-3 months and one client policies never helped at all with this problem. Golden times are over. Be happy that at least a few lost souls still host servers in first place.

Anyway, Im not familiar with the BotON feature at all. What does this function do exactly?

[distilled1]

Why do you try to make the one client play basicly a law when not even officials had this?
Always wondered what people like YOU are smoking when coming up with such ideas. Majority of servers lose their population within the first 2-3 months and one client policies never helped at all with this problem.

Anyway, Im not familiar with the BotON feature at all. What does this function do exactly?

Sorry if your attempt to make a successful server has failed, but most people who make private servers fail because they don't know what players actually want. They believe making copy-paste servers with a few random gimmicks are going to work.

In what way am I trying to make multi-clienting against the law? Because I wrote "DOWN WITH MULTICLIENTING" in my signature? That's just how I express my opinion on how terrible I think multi-clienting is for a sense of community, and nothing more. I encourage single-clients yes, for good reason.
Official servers in the golden age of RO didn't need rules against multi-clienting because, like I said, official servers were subscription based back then and most people didn't bother buying more than one account at the same time.
Most RO players back then were kids or teens who didn't have the money to waste on multiple accounts, or multiple devices, and virtual machines weren't well-known. The character interaction was much better because of it.
I think we all witnessed how crap SnoriginsRO was, allowing and encouraging multi-clienting to the point where no one interacted except via the global chat channels and forums. You'd just see trains of same-player-controlled characters on auto follow roaming around. It was completely soulless and immersion breaking levels of stupid to the point where I personally never want to experience again.

If you enjoy that style of RO, so far removed from the social experience it was meant to be, that's fine, but many people consider it stupid. Get over it.

Golden times are over. Be happy that at least a few lost souls still host servers in first place.

...yeah I literally just implied that it was a thing of the past. Can you not read that?
I AM happy that some of us are still enjoying RO. I'm currently trying out some nice single-client servers with a great sense of community. Feels great when you're in some cave or dungeon and people around you are actually talking and interacting, asking to party, asking your level, giving advice to each other, etc.

[Bullet]

Good day to everyone!

Let's discuss Ragnarok Online's new feature (non-official feature). People disliked bots in RO, however many servers, including the Ragnarok Lanverse, now use the autoattack/boton system.

Are these features good? Or did it ruin the true RO experience?

I'm for advocacy of bot powered private server.

Why go for bot enable RO:
1. configured correctly, it can give a low rate growth experience. Flexibility to opt in to play manually when free, and watch over the bot do the mundane routine tasks repeatedly.
2. experience the growth (slow pace of leveling, item collections) for busy people with time value and work life balance.
3. RO is old game, we already know how to play (mostly) but a new game (low rate) server does not necessarily recognize your past experiences and scale your rewards (per se). Your value of experiences will be pitted against other players in a game of "time spent". Bot balances out this, you are less likely to lose to players due to lack of time of play but due to your limit/ lack of RO experience/ knowledge/ and strategic decision.
Bot will take over the time factor hence you are not competing with time spent.
4. Inevitable facts of RO life- Game server "End of Life". In bot allowed server, any closure least affects your lost of quality time.

When not to go for bot enabled RO:
1. Dislike unresponsive automated player on the visual. (although not obligation for legit player to respond).
2. You want to compete (play) RO with time spent vs quality of knowledge/ experience. There are still traditional players willing to spent hours daily for grind and holding that as achievement value in current times.
3. Concern for computing resource. A poor configured game server (bot enabled) may tilt more toward rewarding players with multiple and good PC resource to run 24 hours. For example - Talonheim RO, currently requires xkore feature whereby game client (2 max) required to be open and active when running bots (2 acc max). The resource requirement is to avoid people using (free) cloud service to run multiple accounts. But its slightly resource demanding for old PC or laptop.
4. Lack of population. this niche will never reach the scale of mid population at this rate.

Common misunderstanding of bot enabled server:
1. Why bother making it low rate and both allowed? Why not just make high rate for ease of play and lack of time?
A high rate server will easily reach end game and many imbalance with drop rates. it removes the experience of slow pace growth experience of low rate.

2. Why bother playing if no time?
players personal choices of indulging classic games, and bot enabled RO gives this balance experience with respect to your work life balance.

3. Bot enabled RO is far from original experience and it "ruins RO experience"
So is all the custom (mid/ high rates, quests, warp npc, healer, gold room, etc.) and different mods.
We have substantial players with lack of logic and rational that can never heal their permanent trauma and scar of game server abused and destroyed by bots. Current bot enabled servers are more geared in configuration to carefully manage a balanced game experience far from past exploits.

Bullet
A player with interest for classic RO
Currently at Talonheim
RMS review: Talonheim

[Bullet]

If I ever see servers advertising these type of "auto" gameplay features, I immediately turn 360 degrees and walk away.

I would like to humbly suggest maybe should consider to turn just 180 degrees instead.
and perhaps add a sprint instead of a walk after that.

[xStormrage]

I would like to humbly suggest maybe should consider to turn just 180 degrees instead.
and perhaps add a sprint instead of a walk after that.

Same thoughts. I was like, isn't turning 360 degrees would have him facing the same way as he was before?     

[Zulf]

Same thoughts. I was like, isn't turning 360 degrees would have him facing the same way as he was before?     

What do you mean you don't 360° and moonwalk your way away?

[Metan]

I would like to humbly suggest maybe should consider to turn just 180 degrees instead.

Same thoughts. I was like, isn't turning 360 degrees would have him facing the same way as he was before?     

Come on, "turn 360° and walk away" is like the oldest meme in the book. First time browsing the internet? lol

[Bien11]

As a Casual Player with not enough time to play but still want to cure that RO itch. That BotOn System really was helpful. The server I've been playing rn has it, even autoloot. 

[OldPoring]

I've been playing Ragnarok without bots for 20 years, never used even a clicker or something. Now I want to try bots, I feel it's time!))

But now the problem is, where to actually download this Bot or Clicker (I want to play in 2 windows with my Priest and cast without switching windows, so can I do it with a clicker?)

The problem is where to download a bot without running into viruses and trojans?

The problem is that it sounds simple, but in some places I read the instructions, it is not easy at all, it seems that you will have to invest a lot of time in setting up the Bot and understanding its work, almost like learning the Ragnarok game itself.

[Bullet]

I've been playing Ragnarok without bots for 20 years, never used even a clicker or something. Now I want to try bots, I feel it's time!))

But now the problem is, where to actually download this Bot or Clicker (I want to play in 2 windows with my Priest and cast without switching windows, so can I do it with a clicker?)

The problem is where to download a bot without running into viruses and trojans?

The problem is that it sounds simple, but in some places I read the instructions, it is not easy at all, it seems that you will have to invest a lot of time in setting up the Bot and understanding its work, almost like learning the Ragnarok game itself.

You can try
Talonheim
bot allowed. you can download direct from the game server website or direct from openkore.
we can guide in discord how to bot. the bot will not work on other server and we dont guide botting on not bot allowed servers.

[orochimakoto]

It really depends on the person, to each their own as they say.

Personally, I like this auto attack feature. Those who "no-life" Ragnarok Online before now have families and jobs, but sometimes wants to have that ragnarok fix if you know what I mean... It just helps ease things up I guess.

[distilled1]

Those who "no-life" Ragnarok Online before now have families and jobs, but sometimes wants to have that ragnarok fix

That's the only reasonable defense I can imagine for the attack-botting feature, but in my opinion, a better solution for players with limited time to grind levels and items is to simply play on a server with high exp rates (instant level 99 if you have that little time) and a server with higher drop rates.
That way you're not filling your server with "false characters", by which I mean you won't get a false sense of community and population where 90% of characters you see aren't players you can talk to, or play with, defeating the purpose of a multi-player online game.

Either way, at the end of the day, you didn't earn that level 99 character, or those drops your character now has. You didn't put in the effort to get those things. A program did, and just like no one is impressed by a player who got to level 99 at 10000% exp rates, no one is going to be impressed with your botted character.
Botting is almost always the worst potential solution or idea in online gaming.

[iixe]

Have tested the auto attack function recently and got a few words for that.

It is the mentally challenged version of what xkore was 15 years ago.
Its easy to use and has an okay function palette but the pathfinding is horrible (been in byalan 2 and bot got stuck in an area of maybe 40x40 cell for over 30 mins after fly wings ran out).

Personally I see the pro on equality, since gepard definitely has been bypassed by a good amount of people that can and will use bots. Its better to give that tool to everyone when there is abuse for botting anyway.
On the con i see lazy server management getting encouraged by it to make mat requirement for quests unnecessarily high to generate more uptime with ppl that just farm afk. Its a waste of time for the player.

Im not a friend of it.  For many of the problems why people botting are more simple solutions possible if the admin knows and understands the economy of his own server. Which is definitely not often the case.

[Bullet]

Personally I see the pro on equality, since gepard definitely has been bypassed by a good amount of people that can and will use bots. Its better to give that tool to everyone when there is abuse for botting anyway.

my best experience of RO is when I was noob and no bot around. Majority of RO should stay close to the original spirit especially for new players to experience the adventure.
Bot allowed RO should be for a very niche pool of players due to their lifestyle.

Gepard is bypass able but not worth it, openkore leaves too many fingerprints behind the log and easily identifiable and addressed. We don't support bypassing gepard or to bot in servers prohibiting bots for the respect of rules.

[OldPoring]

I joined the server, I can say that I really like the experience. As someone who has never tried bots in Ragnarok in almost 20 years of playing
To begin with, I'm writing this now, and the bot raises the level right now. This is very unusual for me )

Majority of RO should stay close to the original spirit especially for new players to experience the adventure.

You believe in having new RO players? I'm not. The fact of the matter is that All RO players have walked these trails thousands of times

It is the mentally challenged version of what xkore was 15 years ago.
Its easy to use and has an okay function palette but the pathfinding is horrible (been in byalan 2 and bot got stuck in an area of maybe 40x40 cell for over 30 mins after fly wings ran out).

For me, the main thing is that I was able to launch the bot. And the server for this is friendly oriented for noobs in Bots. Details can be checked with those experienced in discord

better solution for players with limited time to grind levels and items is to simply play on a server with high exp rates (instant level 99 if you have that little time) and a server with higher drop rates.
Either way, at the end of the day, you didn't earn that level 99 character, or those drops your character now has. You didn't put in the effort to get those things. A program did, and just like no one is impressed by a player who got to level 99 at 10000% exp rates, no one is going to be impressed with your botted character.
Botting is almost always the worst potential solution or idea in online gaming.

Disagree, servers with a high drop rating Guarantee you to get items quickly. Bot doesnt guarantee you anything, you can kill 10000 mobs and not get a single card.
Slow progress of the Bot is still the slow progress of Your character. With a bot, you will also reach the maximum level, possibly several years. These are the years of your Real life, not a Bot life)

Also, who prevents you from taking the baton from the bot? No one prevents you from entering server as a real person and grinding monsters yourself. Then pass the baton to Bot again.
Or are you sure that you need to kill another 100000 High Orcs yourself? (again, heh) Or is it still possible to kill 5000 High Orcs yourself and with pleasure, but give 95000 to kill a bot? )

[Arcadia Online]

What's the point of playing when one makes the game such a competition and min-max-fest that one has to use bot features?

[OldPoring]

What's the point of playing when one makes the game such a competition and min-max-fest that one has to use bot features?

Bot able, not bot must. You can enable or disable the bot option, combine bot + bot, bot + live player. Very good.