Any way to lower def???

[freakyred]

hiya is there any way to lower def?? becoz my friend has max vit and thanatos won't work on him and he doesn't like to say what his equips are

[Ansuz Isaz]

Tao Gunka is probably the best card in terms of reducing Defense. It reduces it by -50, along with doubling his HP. That's as effective of an armor card as it gets.

Also, by the irony of the card, Thanatos removes 30 DEF from the owner.

Tao [ -50 ] + Thanatos x 4 [ - 120 ] = A total of - 170 DEF. You use Thanatos on him if he has this set up, and you're wasting your time. xD

Other effective defense reducing methods [ Though most of these aren't used by the standard player. ]:

Masamune: If he's a swordsman type class, this reduces his defense by 2/3.

Spike: If he's an Acolyte type class, this reduces his defense by 1/3.

Along with a large variety of cards that reduce 1 - 4 DEF, that are generally not worth putting in equipment.

[Sarin]

there are several cards reducing def...try to do some searching at rms database, it's fastest. And not refining armors and using lowdef equip helps too, surprisingly.

[Guest]

mmm but the thing with the tao is that is the person them self has to equip it >.<
the same with most cards and etc


i think he means more things like skill wise?

[Ansuz Isaz]

thanatos won't work on him and he doesn't like to say what his equips are

This is why I assumed it was equipment based, JJJ. n_n He's trying to guess what his friend's equipments may be, so that he knows why his attacks aren't doing anything.

[Aragorn]

it's not bacoz he lowered his defense but its becase he put card's like thara and develing... duh! (>.>)

[Helrouis]

If it's a sinX. well, he's using double grimtooth probably.

[Felecorr]

Double grimtooth is the only way to counter Thana w/ high vit.
And Tao/Than dont affect VITDEF. someone is inexperienced with them cards. ~_o;;
Play every rate, especially high rate. you learn a lot of tricks there.

Wear shadow/undead armor, and if he cant hit you, its confirmed hes using grimtooths.

[Helrouis]

Double grimtooth is the only way to counter Thana w/ high vit.
And Tao/Than dont affect VITDEF. someone is inexperienced with them cards. ~_o;;
Play every rate, especially high rate. you learn a lot of tricks there.

Wear shadow/undead armor, and if he cant hit you, its confirmed hes using grimtooths.

I know enchants+converters works.

[Ansuz Isaz]

... Yay for me not remembering the simple things! XD I now feel like a bit of an idiot. Ah well. A little bit of humility never killed me.

... The two weapons I mentioned simply says defense in general, they didn't actual say DEF, so I'm going to assume they meant general defense, just as grimtooth does. n_n

[Felecorr]

Good point. But if you just ask him to hit you, he probably wont take the time or item to do so.

[Helrouis]

Good point. But if you just ask him to hit you, he probably wont take the time or item to do so.

+ to you
well, most of the servers now : def = nothing
why? gravity made : ignore def and penetrate def
though : i understand it's 0.01% in official servers
but : servers make it in a higher percentage

[Felecorr]

I think  def is useless, your right. I got 99 def once, and I still took massive DMG w/o % reduction cards.

[Helrouis]

I think  def is useless, your right. I got 99 def once, and I still took massive DMG w/o % reduction cards.

Yeap, def is just good in the start on low rate servers, then sux in high rate servers*card drops.

[Ansuz Isaz]

xD My view of DEF is simple:

PVM / MVP = Sexeh. =D It has massive amounts of use.

PVP/ GVG / WoE / Whatever I'm missing: ... Meh. xD As you two said, it's not all that useful anymore.

[Helrouis]

xD My view of DEF is simple:

PVM / MVP = Sexeh. =D It has massive amounts of use.

PVP/ GVG / WoE / Whatever I'm missing: ... Meh. xD As you two said, it's not all that useful anymore.

Ayte, + to you.
I forgot PVM/MVPs.

[judo]

I belieave Thanatos and Ice Pick are the only items that pretty much mess with RO base gameplay.
They make Refinning useless X_x. Might as well ignore Hollengreen.

Regards.

[Helrouis]

I belieave Thanatos and Ice Pick are the only items that pretty much mess with RO base gameplay.
They make Refinning useless X_x. Might as well ignore Hollengreen.

Regards.

Add up incantation samurai card. . . =/

[Sarin]

...and things like Executioner, Bloody Roar etc...

[Anti-Static Foam Cleaner]

There's plenty of items and skills which ignore/increase damage based on def.

[Helrouis]

There's plenty of items and skills which ignore/increase damage based on def.

I even saw a script in eA, wherein it will amplify damage w/respect to your mdef.. Probably the next items would gonna be that worse..

[fluidin]

I agree with Hel. Def = much more useful in 99/70 servers.

Haha, the only skills which kill, and get affected by DEF are: SB with Boned or unslotted Infi, CT with conventional Axes (good ones use HA). That's all. Lol! Really, there isn't much point to DEF, eh.

AD, Asura, Clashing Spiral ignores DEF. BB usually comes together with Exec/HA. SBK with HA. SB with BR. All other skills are out-pottable.

Well, to be fair, only skills that really aren't out-pottable are: AD, Asura and SB. And all of them ignores DEF >.> Because SinXs that do not have BR = fail

[Helrouis]

I agree with Hel. Def = much more useful in 99/70 servers.

Haha, the only skills which kill, and get affected by DEF are: SB with Boned or unslotted Infi, CT with conventional Axes (good ones use HA). That's all. Lol! Really, there isn't much point to DEF, eh.

AD, Asura, Clashing Spiral ignores DEF. BB usually comes together with Exec/HA. SBK with HA. SB with BR. All other skills are out-pottable.

Well, to be fair, only skills that really aren't out-pottable are: AD, Asura and SB. And all of them ignores DEF >.> Because SinXs that do not have BR = fail

+
Quite true. And i'm waiting on what Gravity is up to.. next time.