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Title: What does "GM" really mean to you?
Post by: Mewi on Feb 07, 2008, 01:02 PM
Over time I've questioned the acronym of "GM" and I am wanting to change its meaning all together.

I feel that "Game Master" is an inaccurate acronym for the actual position in question.  The term "Game Master" sounds more like someone who has mastered the game and knows more about it than anyone else.  Which we all know is not the case for pretty much every GM.  We can't know it all ;3  Also in terms of authority the word 'master' sounds more like a slavery term in my opinion.  All the terms for master just do not seem to accurately describe what an actual GM is.  Giving the ability to enforce rules, converse with the community.. I feel a better term is needed.

Personally in order to avoid changing the two letters...

I believe  'Game Monitor'  is the most accurate acronym for a GM o.O
Title: Re: What does "GM" really mean to you?
Post by: Lai on Feb 07, 2008, 01:47 PM
I believe Guild Member is the best.
Title: Re: What does "GM" really mean to you?
Post by: Majora_younglink on Feb 07, 2008, 04:15 PM
Quote from: Lai on Feb 07, 2008, 01:47 PM
I believe Guild Member is the best.

Guild member? o_o t I only use GM for referring to a Guild Master of Game Master. I rarely use it for referring to a guildie.

And I personally like the acronym Game Monitor myself for a position of power(?). Unless you're the server owner or something then Game Master. :/
Title: Re: What does "GM" really mean to you?
Post by: Guest on Feb 07, 2008, 06:54 PM
imo GM doesn't stand for any words at all to me....
GM to me stands for a person that is there to help ppl, enforce the rules, and make the game more enjoyable

so GM doesn't mean game master or game mod to me, cause to me its just a term used to describe someone's job in the server
Title: Re: What does "GM" really mean to you?
Post by: blackgh05t on Feb 09, 2008, 06:06 AM
General Moderator?...perhaps?..No? ok..
Title: Re: What does "GM" really mean to you?
Post by: mark_sanbeda on Feb 09, 2008, 06:18 AM
Game Manipulator??  /heh sounds like a hacker to me  /ok
Title: Re: What does "GM" really mean to you?
Post by: Mewi on Feb 09, 2008, 11:31 AM
Quote from: mark_sanbeda on Feb 09, 2008, 06:18 AM
Game Manipulator??  /heh sounds like a hacker to me  /ok

Maybe the corrupt ones lol. XD

/ok
Title: Re: What does "GM" really mean to you?
Post by: sineas on Feb 09, 2008, 12:35 PM
literally it's game master (which is widely used in all online gaming) but it's more of a game moderator... so game mod is just as appropriate ;)
Title: Re: What does "GM" really mean to you?
Post by: mark_sanbeda on Feb 09, 2008, 06:34 PM
God Mode  /gg everything dances like a banana in his palms  :-X
Title: Re: What does "GM" really mean to you?
Post by: Zone on Feb 12, 2008, 09:49 PM
Depends on the context.
Title: Re: What does "GM" really mean to you?
Post by: phranxis on Feb 17, 2008, 01:32 AM
Game Monster?
Title: Re: What does "GM" really mean to you?
Post by: Guest on Feb 17, 2008, 04:01 PM
Quote from: phranxis on Feb 17, 2008, 01:32 AM
Game Monster?
xD man that makes em seem like a bad thing XD
Title: Re: What does "GM" really mean to you?
Post by: yC on Feb 17, 2008, 08:29 PM
General Manager as always, manager of the server.  of course.
Title: Re: What does "GM" really mean to you?
Post by: Pow on Feb 17, 2008, 08:52 PM
Quote from: 録mark登sanbeda数 on Feb 09, 2008, 06:18 AM
Game Manipulator??  /heh sounds like a hacker to me  /ok

Yup, I like the sound of this one  /heh
Title: Re: What does "GM" really mean to you?
Post by: mark_sanbeda on Feb 18, 2008, 06:06 AM
Quote from: phranxis on Feb 17, 2008, 01:32 AM
Game Monster?

LMAO~  /heh what are you getting at man!? you wanna pawn them or something?!  /heh
Title: Re: What does "GM" really mean to you?
Post by: phranxis on Feb 18, 2008, 06:09 AM
Quote from: 録mark登sanbeda数 on Feb 18, 2008, 06:06 AM
Quote from: phranxis on Feb 17, 2008, 01:32 AM
Game Monster?

LMAO~  /heh what are you getting at man!? you wanna pawn them or something?!  /heh

...... yah :-X
Title: Re: What does "GM" really mean to you?
Post by: Swift on Feb 22, 2008, 08:42 AM
the first think i think of is gay man
Title: Re: What does "GM" really mean to you?
Post by: muppy on Mar 11, 2008, 12:04 PM
When I hear GM I think of a godly person who has all commands for game and rules you.  :P
Title: Re: What does "GM" really mean to you?
Post by: Anti-Static Foam Cleaner on Mar 18, 2008, 08:22 AM
Quote from: Mewi on Feb 07, 2008, 01:02 PM
I feel that "Game Master" is an inaccurate acronym for the actual position in question.  The term "Game Master" sounds more like someone who has mastered the game and knows more about it than anyone else.  Which we all know is not the case for pretty much every GM.  We can't know it all ;3

"Game Master" comes from the original tabletop RPGs.
Since the TT Game Master role is to 1) Know the game rules(In RO it would be server rules not game rules since game rules are already being enforced by the game itself) 2) Enforce these rules and 3) Have a final word in any disagreement, I think the term is pretty appropiate.

QuoteAlso in terms of authority the word 'master' sounds more like a slavery term in my opinion.  All the terms for master just do not seem to accurately describe what an actual GM is.

GM's job is not being your friend, it's punishing people who break the rules.
Title: Re: What does "GM" really mean to you?
Post by: Tears of Blood on Apr 22, 2008, 08:53 PM
Game Moderator is what I think of it.

Game Manager sounds alright too, I suppose.

Personally, I think we should change it altogether to GA (Game Administrator) or something. GM has too many different RO meanings such as Guild Master and Guild Member.
Title: Re: What does "GM" really mean to you?
Post by: Guest on Apr 22, 2008, 10:38 PM
Quote from: Tears of Blood on Apr 22, 2008, 08:53 PM
Personally, I think we should change it altogether to GA (Game Administrator) or something.

lol i second that notion~!
Title: Re: What does "GM" really mean to you?
Post by: Tears of Blood on Apr 24, 2008, 09:11 AM
At the same time, "GM" is drilled so far into my head that I'd still be using it all of the time. Not to mention, we'd all have to change our names, as most GMs on a server have a GM Title. "GM _____"

So maybe it's just best to stick with what we've already got? I don't think many want to change it, anyway.

I can just imagine announcing to me server "Hey, everyone, from now on we are GAs, not GMs!" I'd probably end up having to go before The Inquisition or something... Just kidding. xD
Title: Re: What does "GM" really mean to you?
Post by: Pandora on Apr 24, 2008, 12:52 PM
For convenience sake it's easier to keep GM.
Title: Re: What does "GM" really mean to you?
Post by: Guest on Apr 24, 2008, 05:11 PM
i guess but GM really does sound kinda lame Dx
Title: Re: What does "GM" really mean to you?
Post by: Mewi on Apr 29, 2008, 05:02 PM
Quote from: Tears of Blood on Apr 24, 2008, 09:11 AM
At the same time, "GM" is drilled so far into my head that I'd still be using it all of the time. Not to mention, we'd all have to change our names, as most GMs on a server have a GM Title. "GM _____"

So maybe it's just best to stick with what we've already got? I don't think many want to change it, anyway.

I can just imagine announcing to me server "Hey, everyone, from now on we are GAs, not GMs!" I'd probably end up having to go before The Inquisition or something... Just kidding. xD

XD  I can only see it now... all the immature kids start calling us GAys >.>" Of course I am lesbian so it doesnt bother me toooo much x3
Title: Re: What does "GM" really mean to you?
Post by: Guest on Apr 29, 2008, 07:07 PM
xDDDD lol actually i can picture that too =o
Title: Re: What does "GM" really mean to you?
Post by: Tears of Blood on May 01, 2008, 05:07 PM
Yep. Agreed.  ;D
Title: Re: What does "GM" really mean to you?
Post by: SinX7 on May 24, 2008, 07:21 PM
lol i think it "Game Member"  :P
Title: Re: What does "GM" really mean to you?
Post by: Brainstorm on May 25, 2008, 01:16 AM
QuoteThe term "Game Master" sounds more like someone who has mastered the game and knows more about it than anyone else.
I believe the term suits me finely, in terms of overall game/server knowledge, i might not know everything about RO, or at least spit out an answer to all questions out of nowhere, but i sure have messed with the game more than 99.9% of RO players you have seen around.
Title: Re: What does "GM" really mean to you?
Post by: phranxis on May 25, 2008, 03:19 AM
the abbr. GM has no more meaning. it just refers to people who are higher than normal player(well it DOES have a meaning)
just like WTF which refers to holy cow or what!!!. cus no one types the real meaning
WTF can also refer to F*** or holy s***! (can also refer to !!!!!!)
just like GM.
Title: Re: What does "GM" really mean to you?
Post by: Anti-Static Foam Cleaner on May 25, 2008, 07:02 AM
So wait. GM means f***?

I got lost in your argument
Title: Re: What does "GM" really mean to you?
Post by: Guest on May 25, 2008, 01:55 PM
i think he means that it has so many meanings to it that it doesn't really matter......... XD



EDIT: weeeeee typos
Title: Re: What does "GM" really mean to you?
Post by: mark_sanbeda on May 26, 2008, 01:58 AM
Quote from: phranxis on May 25, 2008, 03:19 AM
the abbr. GM has no more meaning. it just refers to people who are higher than normal player(well it DOES have a meaning)
just like WTF which refers to holy cow or what!!!. cus no one types the real meaning
WTF can also refer to F*** or holy s***! (can also refer to !!!!!!)
just like GM.

WTF refers to holy cow? Lmao~  :-[
Title: Re: What does "GM" really mean to you?
Post by: phranxis on May 26, 2008, 03:01 AM
Quote from: GM録mark登sanbeda数 on May 26, 2008, 01:58 AM
Quote from: phranxis on May 25, 2008, 03:19 AM
the abbr. GM has no more meaning. it just refers to people who are higher than normal player(well it DOES have a meaning)
just like WTF which refers to holy cow or what!!!. cus no one types the real meaning
WTF can also refer to F*** or holy s***! (can also refer to !!!!!!)
just like GM.

WTF refers to holy cow? Lmao~  :-[

well not exactly
Spoiler
i was on crack
[close]
Title: Re: What does "GM" really mean to you?
Post by: Helrouis on Jun 06, 2008, 11:41 PM
GMs are far different from staff. People always mix the both of them. GMs are the so called general managers, like Yc said. However, the event boys, recruiters, clowns&entertainment people, aren't supposed to be called "GM". and from the 1st place, GM means "Game Master". I just lol if someone says I became a GM here blah2x but never really know about the game, only wearing those fancy clothes and do some events. GMs aren't suppose to be clowns or entertainers from the 1st place too.
Title: Re: What does "GM" really mean to you?
Post by: Loki on Jun 07, 2008, 03:26 AM
GM = Gigolo Master?

But I'm sure it was called Game Moderator  :-\
Title: Re: What does "GM" really mean to you?
Post by: Brainstorm on Jun 07, 2008, 05:23 AM
GM origin was from table RPGs, and it meant GAME MASTER.
Enough said.
Title: Re: What does "GM" really mean to you?
Post by: Helrouis on Jun 08, 2008, 05:07 PM
Quote from: Brainstorm on Jun 07, 2008, 05:23 AM
GM origin was from table RPGs, and it meant GAME MASTER.
Enough said.
Yes, and not fancy event clowns out there who feels like they know everything about the server.
Title: Re: What does "GM" really mean to you?
Post by: Aragorn on Jun 09, 2008, 12:48 AM
Great Man!
Title: Re: What does "GM" really mean to you?
Post by: Chii-Val on Jul 05, 2008, 08:42 PM
Google Me :D
Haha.. I don't see whats wrong with Game Master, never even bothered to know what it really meant >_>"
But a GM to me is like... A big person who is willing to help, nothing that gives me an OMG moment :)
Title: Re: What does "GM" really mean to you?
Post by: Lore on Jul 07, 2008, 01:31 PM
Grand Masochist

because GM's sacrifice their playtime for the Server's betterment. Well...at least that should be the reason...

Which is why I will never GM.





googeley matress >.<

Title: Re: What does "GM" really mean to you?
Post by: Pandora on Jul 07, 2008, 01:38 PM
Yeah Grand Masochist lol XD
Title: Re: What does "GM" really mean to you?
Post by: Guest on Jul 07, 2008, 02:53 PM
lol ya got a good laugh outa that one x3
Title: Re: What does "GM" really mean to you?
Post by: Mamimi on Aug 03, 2008, 04:47 AM
Game Moderator is actually what I thought it stood for when I first started playing.  A GM to me is a player that goes out of their way to make sure a server's needs are being met; ie support, bugs, making new npcs, etc. A GM should be someone who can dedicate some of their life to helping other people have a good gaming experience.
Title: Re: What does "GM" really mean to you?
Post by: ~~T~~ on Aug 04, 2008, 12:16 PM
"Grind more."
Title: Re: What does "GM" really mean to you?
Post by: Silversleeper on Aug 09, 2008, 06:00 PM
i would personally think that the term GM is "Global Moderator" as it is in the forum. it would be the same, more or less
Title: Re: What does "GM" really mean to you?
Post by: Poki on Aug 12, 2008, 06:58 PM
"GM" = Gee em.

I think that's the prefix for "GM".
Title: Re: What does "GM" really mean to you?
Post by: locked1nside on Aug 21, 2008, 03:42 AM
Grand Ma....
Godly Manipulator...
;D
no...?
really.

as far as i know.
GM - game master - person who is in charge for the life of a server, maintaining the server. they must also know how to play, have experience in the game so they understand what to do if there are players giving any complaint or suggestion about the server.

Title: Re: What does "GM" really mean to you?
Post by: GarmSter on Sep 02, 2008, 09:54 AM
uhmm .. maybe .. GM for me is ..

1. They always make fun of me ..

that's why i agree to the person who said GM means Game Manipulator .. ahaha .. lolx
Title: Re: What does "GM" really mean to you?
Post by: Lai on Sep 15, 2008, 09:33 AM
Hi, GM for me is ....

Get Money :P

Like, you get alot of donation right? :P

Well, actually, I didnt take my GMing very serious before, but lately it kinda changed for me.
So I guess, GM is very important role in the game and well, you have to be "fair" to all =)
Title: Re: What does "GM" really mean to you?
Post by: Littlechan on Sep 15, 2008, 09:55 AM
Quote from: Lai on Sep 15, 2008, 09:33 AM
Hi, GM for me is ....

Get Money :P

Like, you get alot of donation right? :P

are you telling about yourself? :P

for me...GM is...someone who can help us with the game xD
Title: Re: What does "GM" really mean to you?
Post by: asdfqwerty123 on Sep 17, 2008, 02:15 PM
I would have liked it to mean Game Mediator, as in a mediator between the admin and the players.

noun
a negotiator who acts as a link between parties
one that works to effect reconciliation, settlement, or compromise
between parties at variance
one who intervenes between two persons who are at variance, with a view to reconcile them.

But now I simply refer to my GM's as "staff".
Title: Re: What does "GM" really mean to you?
Post by: Artariko on Oct 28, 2008, 09:39 AM
GM means Game Monster :O or does it >.>....why's it GM...why not GE or....GP???
Title: Re: What does "GM" really mean to you?
Post by: Poki on Oct 28, 2008, 10:40 AM
What's GE or GP suppose to mean?
Title: Re: What does "GM" really mean to you?
Post by: Garlyle on Nov 01, 2008, 04:19 AM
GM.  Game Master, from its original origins as "Dungeon Master".  In the end?  The one who has the final say in -any- situation is the ruler of the gaming world, the Game Master.  Of course, that comes with it responsibilities - abusing that power, just like for a DM in a D&D game, leads to unhappy players and a termination of the game.  But they're still the people who decides what can happen and what simply cannot be allowed to occur; who gets to play and who doesn't; what is implemented in the world and what isn't.  You are the master of the game, and have all the powers connected to that title; as well as the responsibility.

With that said, the server I "GM" at uses the term ST instead.  It stands for "Storyteller".  As the server is heavily (massively) Roleplaying focused... the primary role of the GM is supposed to be to tell the story of the world to the player through NPC encounters, writing, and events.  We still fulfill all the roles of a GM [especially in the sense I outlined above]; but we chose the name change to be something more unique to our server and the focus on Roleplaying as opposed to being just another MMORPG.
Title: Re: What does "GM" really mean to you?
Post by: Scars on Nov 01, 2008, 07:40 AM
Get Married.
Title: Re: What does "GM" really mean to you?
Post by: Lore on Nov 08, 2008, 11:33 PM
Ghost Monkeys
Title: Re: What does "GM" really mean to you?
Post by: Pow on Nov 09, 2008, 12:06 AM
Generic Malevolence.

Or are we not doing evil today?  ;D

-Pow

Title: Re: What does "GM" really mean to you?
Post by: Loki on Nov 09, 2008, 12:17 AM
Grey Matter
Title: Re: What does "GM" really mean to you?
Post by: Head Monocle of DOOM on Nov 09, 2008, 12:43 AM
Quote from: yC on Feb 17, 2008, 08:29 PM
General Manager as always, manager of the server.  of course.
Agreed.
Title: Re: What does "GM" really mean to you?
Post by: asdfqwerty123 on Nov 10, 2008, 01:03 PM
Quote from: GumdropsGallore on Nov 09, 2008, 12:43 AM
Quote from: yC on Feb 17, 2008, 08:29 PM
General Manager as always, manager of the server.  of course.
Agreed.
That sounds more like the Admin rather than the GM's.
Title: Re: What does "GM" really mean to you?
Post by: Guest on Nov 10, 2008, 07:12 PM
xD but admin seems to have a more clear and distinct meaning behind its name

GM seems to be more... confused at times
Title: Re: What does "GM" really mean to you?
Post by: XionSiphon on Nov 12, 2008, 05:38 AM
To me GM means...

oh god, time to work and listen to complaints =p

Or

Game Independent Technical reassuring lean reversed phalanx Master
Title: Re: What does "GM" really mean to you?
Post by: ianKiRK on Aug 17, 2009, 10:55 PM
 ;D ;)"GM"?? what does it mean to me??
well all i can say, if we said GM, first come into my mind is the "Game-Master"
ofcourse, the GM provide all knowledge that we want when playing all kind of games specially,, they make lot of things possible in this game, more excitement when they start making an event,
and the most infortant things, The GM shows you how become a more competitive than other,
for me as a player, i can say that im just a weak, :-[ but! because of the GM, im always fight just to reach the maximum of the other, my game-dream is to become a powerful, a great player,,but that is the biggest challenge that the GM telling me to become without making any conversation with me, but through their events,, like WOE, etc.
That's the GM stands for me a player 8) ::) ;D
gudluck ;) ;D :D
Title: Re: What does "GM" really mean to you?
Post by: rj on Nov 19, 2009, 11:38 AM
Probably, Game Mentors. xD
Title: Re: What does "GM" really mean to you?
Post by: leadtech on Nov 20, 2009, 06:06 AM
Gm
controlling the game ?
Title: Re: What does "GM" really mean to you?
Post by: Haze on Nov 25, 2009, 07:45 PM
As a GM, it kinda feels like a job but I also want the server I'm working for to be known and grow, so it's worth it.
Title: Re: What does "GM" really mean to you?
Post by: Xenz on Nov 30, 2009, 10:42 AM
GRAND MOTHER ///??
Global mother ?  ;D
Title: Re: What does "GM" really mean to you?
Post by: Freedom on Nov 30, 2009, 11:32 AM
Google Master
Title: Re: What does "GM" really mean to you?
Post by: BluSnow on Dec 13, 2009, 03:49 PM
When you use GM in most servers it can refer to many different things but the first to pop up is "Game Master"
It can mean:
Game Master
Guild Master
Guild Member
Guy/Girl Masterbating
All are acceptional versions
Title: Re: What does "GM" really mean to you?
Post by: Cabal on Dec 14, 2009, 08:34 PM
to me it either means Global Moderator, Guild Master(or GL for Guild Leader), or Game Master.
Title: Re: What does "GM" really mean to you?
Post by: kylrion on Jan 03, 2011, 09:22 AM
Game Manager?
Title: Re: What does "GM" really mean to you?
Post by: Mystral on Jan 03, 2011, 11:00 AM
Two Words.

Good Man. :P Lmfao.

Game Master ov'course.
Title: Re: What does "GM" really mean to you?
Post by: Solstice on Jan 03, 2011, 06:21 PM
I agree with the one above that said it may be something like a Game Moderator :) someone who makes sure the balance of rules and regulations is maintained but at the same time provides a balance between events and other things for players :)
Title: Re: What does "GM" really mean to you?
Post by: Signify on Jan 03, 2011, 06:53 PM
Gamemaster.

I feel the wiki page holds my view pretty well:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamemaster
Title: Re: What does "GM" really mean to you?
Post by: Solstice on Jan 03, 2011, 08:14 PM
yes, everyone knows that it means Game Master, but what he was asking was, does being a game master necessarily mean mastering the game? :) he was just taking things literally :)
Title: Re: What does "GM" really mean to you?
Post by: Signify on Jan 03, 2011, 08:23 PM
Quote from: Solstice on Jan 03, 2011, 08:14 PM
yes, everyone knows that it means Game Master, but what he was asking was, does being a game master necessarily mean mastering the game? :) he was just taking things literally :)
I understand that. I also stated that my own opinion of what it 'means to me' conforms with the Wikipedia definition.
Title: Re: What does "GM" really mean to you?
Post by: kylrion on Jan 04, 2011, 05:15 AM
how about game balancer?
Title: Re: What does "GM" really mean to you?
Post by: datme on Jan 04, 2011, 11:13 AM
Currently it means:

Grabbing Money
Title: Re: What does "GM" really mean to you?
Post by: uncelebrated on Jan 04, 2011, 10:08 PM
gigantic e-peen
Title: Re: What does "GM" really mean to you?
Post by: Usagimimi on Jan 05, 2011, 07:49 PM
Gain Money.

No, but really, it's a Game Master.
Title: Re: What does "GM" really mean to you?
Post by: mbl0128 on Jan 06, 2011, 06:56 PM
game mode :D
Title: Re: What does "GM" really mean to you?
Post by: kylrion on Jan 07, 2011, 08:29 AM
too many thinking ady ahahaha
let all just remain in 1=the old style(BOSS!!!)
hahaha
i firstly play ro alway call gm as BOSS lol ^^'''
i mean all the player in the server just call GM as BOSS!
hahhaa ^^
Title: Re: What does "GM" really mean to you?
Post by: Lokeal on Jan 07, 2011, 10:48 AM
Green Moob?
Title: Re: What does "GM" really mean to you?
Post by: Loopy Bunny on Jan 07, 2011, 01:30 PM
Guilty Murderers!

Usualy kills the spirit of playing RO! hehehe....

yes... thats a pretty retarted joke.. sorry..
Title: Re: What does "GM" really mean to you?
Post by: Neiru on Jan 23, 2011, 08:45 AM
I was subbed as a Game Manipulator in a certain RO server, because I was a developer. As the previous post(s) said, it looks like a hacker o.o
Title: Re: What does "GM" really mean to you?
Post by: Washi on Feb 11, 2011, 09:34 AM
"Game Master" or "Game Moderator". This is the person who is in charge of running or ruining the game, including having final say over how actions are resolved.
Title: Re: What does "GM" really mean to you?
Post by: lilmonsta95 on Feb 11, 2011, 09:04 PM
ummm it means person who has more commands than anyone else?
Title: Re: What does "GM" really mean to you?
Post by: pr3zs on Mar 21, 2011, 07:09 AM
GM = GOod Manners :)
Title: Re: What does "GM" really mean to you?
Post by: angel_023 on Mar 21, 2011, 09:08 PM
GM=means Game Master..

helping ppl in the game ^_^ like asking questions?

:D
Title: Re: What does "GM" really mean to you?
Post by: Kensei on Mar 21, 2011, 10:04 PM
Helping is not always GM's job. Every player can do that, it depends on each person.

A GM should be a good example for his/her player, like a cartoon superhero that is idolized by kids.
Title: Re: What does "GM" really mean to you?
Post by: keben on Apr 05, 2013, 09:54 PM
GAME MASTER = GOOD MAN or  GAME MONSTER or GAME MANIPULATOR lol
Title: Re: What does "GM" really mean to you?
Post by: RockerZin on Apr 17, 2013, 02:14 AM
there are many meaning we can describe "GM" nowadays ~    /ho

Regards,
RockerZin