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Offline bryan1207

Help me about Sinx 199 ASPD
« on: Jun 04, 2009, 10:30 pm »
Max Lvl :99/70
Rates: 7/7/50%
it has DT[4]
Please help me.! ??? ???

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Help me about Sinx 199 ASPD
« on: Jun 04, 2009, 10:30 pm »

Offline LiteX

Re: Help me about Sinx 199 ASPD
« Reply #1 on: Jun 05, 2009, 03:31 am »
Max Lvl :99/70
Rates: 7/7/50%
it has DT[4]
Please help me.! ??? ???

ASPD and agi equip, Drink EDP bottle, agi and dex
Desert Twilight IIRC only sets your ASPD at 190
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Offline Sarin

Re: Help me about Sinx 199 ASPD
« Reply #2 on: Jun 05, 2009, 03:56 am »
If your server has episode 13 in, thief ring+cold heart and +10 jur is the way to go.

Offline horo

Re: Help me about Sinx 199 ASPD
« Reply #3 on: Jun 05, 2009, 05:20 am »
Desert Twilight IIRC only sets your ASPD at 190

sc_start SC_INCASPDRATE,7000,100;

it sets it to max, but that's usually capped at 190.

Offline LiteX

Re: Help me about Sinx 199 ASPD
« Reply #4 on: Jun 05, 2009, 05:31 am »
Desert Twilight IIRC only sets your ASPD at 190

sc_start SC_INCASPDRATE,7000,100;

it sets it to max, but that's usually capped at 190.

that means a 7% chance of capping ASPD each attack right? In other words, TC just needs to hack the monster until he/she gets the bonus
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Offline horo

Re: Help me about Sinx 199 ASPD
« Reply #5 on: Jun 05, 2009, 05:38 am »
that means a 7% chance of capping ASPD each attack right? In other words, TC just needs to hack the monster until he/she gets the bonus

No that means the duration is 7 seconds, the chance for it to trigger is 0.1%.

Offline LiteX

Re: Help me about Sinx 199 ASPD
« Reply #6 on: Jun 05, 2009, 05:48 am »
that means a 7% chance of capping ASPD each attack right? In other words, TC just needs to hack the monster until he/she gets the bonus

No that means the duration is 7 seconds, the chance for it to trigger is 0.1%.

Whoops...misread the script, so, if the initial chance is 0.1% then it is a 1/1000 chance, technically, if you can get about 1000 Attacks in 7 seconds on a server with max ASPD 199 then I think it is actually viable, if you don't mind the time for startup that is,
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Offline horo

Re: Help me about Sinx 199 ASPD
« Reply #7 on: Jun 05, 2009, 05:58 am »
Even 199 aspd, which you'd presumably get from the combo, is "only" almost 50 attacks per second (like the original heat). The problem isn't what aspd it'll give you, but the chance and duration. Since you don't fight against single enemies with 300k hp you have to search for enemies far too often for 7 seconds to be worthwhile. The effect is just a gimmick, nothing to depend on.

Offline LiteX

Re: Help me about Sinx 199 ASPD
« Reply #8 on: Jun 05, 2009, 06:04 am »
Even 199 aspd, which you'd presumably get from the combo, is "only" almost 50 attacks per second (like the original heat). The problem isn't what aspd it'll give you, but the chance and duration. Since you don't fight against single enemies with 300k hp you have to search for enemies far too often for 7 seconds to be worthwhile. The effect is just a gimmick, nothing to depend on.

In other words, 350/7 secs, won't work to build something around it,getting ASPD and AGI items is the only way, I don't think even with all of that 199 ASPD is reachable, but 50ATKS/Second is still pretty strong, I have seen videos of MVP Heat TKMs pre-nerf
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Offline horo

Re: Help me about Sinx 199 ASPD
« Reply #9 on: Jun 05, 2009, 06:07 am »
A 199 ASPD cap would certainly make WS an overpowered class with battleground medals of honor, but it's hardly beneficial to any other classes.
« Last Edit: Jun 05, 2009, 06:09 am by horo »

Offline Sarin

Re: Help me about Sinx 199 ASPD
« Reply #10 on: Jun 05, 2009, 06:25 am »
I doubt so, unless using macros or some other 3rd party program, how fast do you think someone can spam CT? Zerk LKs and crit sins will prolly be the ones benefiting from it most. Oh and snipers.

Offline horo

Re: Help me about Sinx 199 ASPD
« Reply #11 on: Jun 05, 2009, 06:33 am »
I doubt so, unless using macros or some other 3rd party program, how fast do you think someone can spam CT? Zerk LKs and crit sins will prolly be the ones benefiting from it most. Oh and snipers.

Faster than 190 aspd, there have been 190 aspd videos around of BB/DS and it's clearly not the limit of how fast it can be spammed. Renewal will have 193 aspd. Do tell how a Crit Sinx or Sniper get that kind of ASPD though without major sacrifice.

Offline fluidin

Re: Help me about Sinx 199 ASPD
« Reply #12 on: Jun 05, 2009, 06:49 am »
he means that it isn't humanly possible to take advantage of that kind if ASPD since human fingers can't spam that fast.

Ctrl-click benefits the most obviously.
XileRo is the only HR I know that has a reasonable PvP system. I did watch the RWC like you said, all I see is people spamming the room like every other gang fight there is in RO.

Offline horo

Re: Help me about Sinx 199 ASPD
« Reply #13 on: Jun 05, 2009, 06:55 am »
he means that it isn't humanly possible to take advantage of that kind if ASPD since human fingers can't spam that fast.

Ctrl-click benefits the most obviously.

I know, I'm saying otherwise. There was a time when people were saying "oh, more than 183 ASPD DS isn't possible" etc., but with recent videos of 190 ASPD BB/DS from jro/kro, those opinions are outdated. Human fingers are definitely at least that fast, although mine are certainly tired already of debating this.

Offline LiteX

Re: Help me about Sinx 199 ASPD
« Reply #14 on: Jun 05, 2009, 08:04 am »
he means that it isn't humanly possible to take advantage of that kind if ASPD since human fingers can't spam that fast.

Ctrl-click benefits the most obviously.

I know, I'm saying otherwise. There was a time when people were saying "oh, more than 183 ASPD DS isn't possible" etc., but with recent videos of 190 ASPD BB/DS from jro/kro, those opinions are outdated. Human fingers are definitely at least that fast, although mine are certainly tired already of debating this.

IIRC, the average human reaction time is ~200 miliseconds, and 200 milisecs is the atk delay for 190 ASPD, unless you are extremely good at reactions, I don't think 199 ASPD CT is possible (cough at spamming a button every 20 milisecs)
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