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Offline GanZetsumei

Dagger assasin
« on: Apr 08, 2008, 05:28 pm »
Right now im playing on an official Server. i hav a katar assasin(lvl56,Joblvl 25), but im thinking of deleting it so i can make a new one, which is a dagger type one.and as I read my guidebook, i am worried, becauz it says that a dagger assasin nids a lot of card, and i dont even hav one.So, can u Help me about wat could be the best Strategy/build for a dagger assasin[other than having carded daggers, coz im sick of this tip]^_^

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Dagger assasin
« on: Apr 08, 2008, 05:28 pm »

Offline dook

Re: Dagger assasin
« Reply #1 on: Apr 08, 2008, 06:18 pm »
dagger assasins are one of the most expensive characters in the game. the reason for this is they get huge dmg by combining 7 weapon cards (like 3 race, 2 element, 2 size cards something like that.) for example to fight a high orc you would probably get best damage with:

main hand: gladius with 2 hydra cards, 1 vadon card
offhand: main gauche with 1 hydra 1 vadon 2 mino

+ to this elemental enchant, and eventually edp and you have some obscene damage. but at a price. those combinations of cards are useless on other monsters, so you have to build a huge dagger collection to be useful :)

im not sure if thats best way to do it, but thats the idea anyway. for a cheaper option people generally go for high attk danger in main hand with cards and elemental dagger on the offhand to add element.

Offline Shades of Black

Re: Dagger assasin
« Reply #2 on: Apr 09, 2008, 09:29 am »

im not sure if thats best way to do it, but thats the idea anyway. for a cheaper option people generally go for high attk danger in main hand with cards and elemental dagger on the offhand to add element.

Elemental properties don't transfer from the off hand to the main hand so always put the elemental dagger in the main hand and carded daggers in the off hand. 
« Last Edit: Apr 09, 2008, 09:32 am by Shades of Black »

Offline Pandora

Re: Dagger assasin
« Reply #3 on: Apr 09, 2008, 10:09 am »
You could also go for Orc Lady cards for maximal damage on High Orcs.
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Offline Shades of Black

Re: Dagger assasin
« Reply #4 on: Apr 09, 2008, 12:07 pm »
Wind damascus and 4 drainliar cards are usually cheap and can be used in lots of places.

Offline superja

Re: Dagger assasin
« Reply #5 on: Apr 09, 2008, 06:33 pm »
Just a thought, remember as well that if your favorite part of the assassin is sb-ing the junk out of everything, you'll hate being a dagger sin (mostly point + click except for the poison skills). But here are some builds for them:

(Note that daggersins typically have more VIT than their katar brothers. Obvious answer: they have no crit, so they need to hit for real.)
1. at lvl 94, mostly AGI. I despise this build. 99 agi is too much really, 90 is more than enough for dodges, you need VIT moreso at higher levels. But it seems to be the popular dagger-sin build so here it is.
Str 84
Agi 99
Vit 10
Int  6
Dex 42
Luk  1     
2. I'd use this with the higher number of VIT. Here we're focusing on damage instead of speed, because our attack speed will never be ridiculously high anyways, and flee only does so much. The original guide this came from (http://www.gamefaqs.com/computer/doswin/file/561051/29538) suggested to leave VIT at 1 if you don't PVP or WOE, but I think that's ridiculous because the small amount of AGI gained from sacrificing helpful VIT won't do much.
STR   94-99
AGI   75-85
VIT   18-38
INT   1
DEX   42
LUK   1

3. Here is AGI/DEX. It's fast, and always hits, but if your daggers are not beautifully carded up, your damage is sad. To the point that you might as well use a katar to get more speed. (They threw 10 INT on, I wouldn't, but that's just me.)
Str 44
Agi 99
Vit 10
Int 10
Dex 82
Luk  1   

4.AGI/LUK... Uh, you're a daggersin. But if you love the criticals, I won't stop you @.@
Str 29
Agi 99
Vit 10
Int 10
Dex 32
Luk 80   
5. AGI/VIT, Ah the indestructible assassin. I <3 this build for in parties, it dodges AND tanks, but soloing? Not a fan.
Str 38 
Agi 99
Vit 78 
Int 11 
Dex 32
Luk  1     
6. A hybrid. Probably a better choice if the above build looked appealing to you.
Str 92
Agi 80
Vit 48 
Int  8 
Dex 32 
Luk  1   
7. VIT/STR... one of my faves. I know, I know "Vit is for swordsmen" but it's so nice on an assassin. Just try it once. Works better on Katar builds though, because then you can sonic blow all the time if you have the potions. And tank. The attack speed will be slow-motion on this one.
Str 91
Agi  1 
Vit 99 
Int  6   
Dex 32
Luk  1   
There's also a VIT/LUK build, but seriously don't do it. It has all the fail of no double attack and terrible attack speed, coupled with the win of being able to tank. Only works if you build it for p-dodge, in which case you are invincible. But AGI/VIT would be a better choice for that.

Offline GanZetsumei

Re: Dagger assasin
« Reply #6 on: Apr 09, 2008, 08:28 pm »
Thanks for the builds, but I would also like to know some Strategies.^_^

Offline superja

Re: Dagger assasin
« Reply #7 on: Apr 09, 2008, 10:14 pm »
Like for pvp? Or just general leveling strategies?

Offline GanZetsumei

Re: Dagger assasin
« Reply #8 on: Apr 10, 2008, 10:57 am »
I want Skill Strategies, both 4 leveling, PVP, and WoE.

Offline kelip2

Re: Dagger assasin
« Reply #9 on: Apr 10, 2008, 04:27 pm »
but u also can try by using jur[3] its also can using double atk if u hav sidewinder card but i think its hard for the official server it's? especialy drop card rate holy cow :-*

Offline superja

Re: Dagger assasin
« Reply #10 on: Apr 10, 2008, 09:38 pm »
uh, he's asking for daggersin advice, jur is a katar. he had a katar sin and deleted it.

Sidewinder card doesn't work if you have learned double attack, specifically for this reason. Katar sins would run around with impunity because they have super-fast double attack.

Now you could decide to not learn double attack and level slowly, then put a sidewinder card in your katar for lower damage. =/= win.

Now as for skills:

DEFINITELY get Poison React. This will be your major offensive skill on things you can't hit. i.e. effing mimics. Envenom counters are just plain handy otherwise.
If you level on things other than the undead, which you probably do, then Enchant Poison might be good for you. I tend to do a lot in mids, so I kinda ignore it. It's super handy for Toy Factory though.
Left + Right hand mastery, goes without saying.
I don't bother with Cloak, in favor of getting all my poison skills, but some people probably love it. As my leveling strategy is party as much as possible, cloaking becomes much less useful.
Venom Splasher is godly if you get good at using it, especially if you're attacking things that you know the hp of and have a good idea how much damage you're doing on them. It's hard for pvp unless you don't mind throwing away red gemstones. If you can afford it, by all means.
I'm not a fan of Venom Dust because you're wasting sp you could have used on a plain envenom and at least do damage, or poison react which is much better. But if you love it, nobody can stop you. In pvp it's useless because what idiot doesn't carry a few greens on them?

Offline AlviN

Re: Dagger assasin
« Reply #11 on: Apr 13, 2008, 11:35 pm »
lol i thought 4 daggered assassin... wonders quadruple atk...  ??? ::)
pack that sheet!

Offline pintakasi

Re: Dagger assasin
« Reply #12 on: Apr 15, 2008, 11:26 am »
are you a rebirth job?
your not a fool, aren't you?

Offline superja

Re: Dagger assasin
« Reply #13 on: Apr 15, 2008, 08:25 pm »
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lol i thought 4 daggered assassin... wonders quadruple atk...

Are you asking if double attack works for both hands? No, it doesn't. Daggersins only get double attack.

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are you a rebirth job?

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Right now im playing on an official Server.

I'm going to guess no.

Offline pintakasi

Re: Dagger assasin
« Reply #14 on: Apr 16, 2008, 01:01 am »
for me, use daggers for leveling purposes. but you will be needing dex.
your not a fool, aren't you?