Charater-LK(BB)
State
Str-99+32 / ATK399+20 (with Bless, VesperCore02, +10pike)
Agi-1+21 /Aspd 190 ( with 2 dopple, Besek pot )
Vit-92+9
Int-1+13
Dex-70+20 / Hit 188
Luk-1+4
(All Added 1 Cause Of V.Armo)
EQ
Head1-+10Helm(1) (Kathryen)
Head2-Sunglasser(1) (Kathryen)
Head3-Wing(1) (ClockTowerManager)
Armo-V.Armo(1) ( Keep Changing )
Weapon-Pike(4) / Incantation,Turtle General,Dopple,Dopple
Shield-V.Shield(1) / Thara Frog
Robe-V.Mant(1) (Keep Changing )
Shoes-V.Shoes(1) (Custom Card -atk+50 / CastTimeReduce50% )
Acessary-VersperCore02 x2
Question
Any Best State For Bowling Bash ?
Weapon Should Use Those Card Without Agi ?
Bowling Bash Izit A Casted Skill ?
Kathryen Card Is Better Than Seyren Card For Bowling ? (Speed Problem )
1Hand Sword / Spear , Which Good For Bowling ?
( I am a Skillful Player in Ro , but Dont Have Those Lk Knowledge ..Need Those LK Pro for help ... "Before Lk,i m a Ws ... My Cart Can Do good damage and fast too ..But Suddely Feel WS Hp Abit Low, So planing Play Lk. Why I will Chose (BB)LK ?..Cause Spiral Damage Is Fix , Ever U wear +10Hunting Spear to spiral , the damage Wont Over 850 Perhit x5 = 6.5k? :-\Maybe More Low If Other Wearing AligatorCardx2 (-10% Range Damage) :( But Bowling Not Same..Right ? No Delay;D Example 7k for 1 cart , its same like bowling 3.5k x2 ? ..mabye do more damage than cart ...right ? ;D | i can Bowling ppl without delay and fast .. but i still feel The Damage not Good Enough ~And i found out if i Wear Kathryne Card ,
i can Bowling Faster ~ Why ?? Maybe Bowling Need Cast ? Or Others ?
Hope You All Can Bring Me From ( Noob Bowling To Pro Bowling ) :D thx
You should add some int in your build.
Nah, int isn't needed in a bowling bash build.
The dopplegangers really don't add much, nor does the kathryne keyron in your sunnies, the -50% casttime in your shoes is good enough on his own. I suggest using a feather beret on top, maya purple in middle and whatever you want in wings.
As for your weapon, just go incant/hydra/hydra/tg.
The trick to stacking bowling bash is dancing it, which means you cancel it by quickly clicking away after a bowling bash, allowing you to do another bowling bash right off the bat.
This is because bowling bash has 3 factors, animation delay(which is what you cancel with dancing), invisible casttime and ASPD. But bowling bash knocks your opponent back so the best solution is to just go with a STR / VIT / DEX build (like yours) and dancing the bowling bash.
So really.. 2 doppels are a complete waste. Don't forget, high DPS does not always outclass a higher damage output/slower attack. Which in this case shouldn't be that much slower if you dance skills.
Erm ~ Relics ~ thx 1st
But I really Got Test It With Kathryen or Without It
The diff Abit Big ~
With Kathryen - My Enemy Havent Get Knock ,i already can cast another bowling on him
Without Kathryen And Aspd - Erm ~ like abit ~ ...I cant explain it ..like ....should say abit Stuck For Me bah :-[
And the Dopple Problem ~
no aspd its like Bowling ( the spear go down and come up ) / 1hit down ..enemy pot ...recover back ...
if got aspd its like Bowling ( down up down up down up ) / Pot cant cover the damage
I really confuse about it ~
i still reseaching the perfect BB state =(
Relics Maybe U still got some godly Knowledge havent tell me ~ hahahaha Lets share about it ..my frd =)
Thing is, DANCING bowling bash for example dancing investigate:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRH2k1WoBIM&feature=channel_page
will allow you to stack 2 with whatever ASPD you have.
NANI ~ :o :o
its mean Really NO need ASPD lor haha gonna try jor....thx thx >)
erm ~ ya lor ~ still need to ask some question about Weapon Changing
Blade Is Better Than Spear ?
(Same Card - IS/TG/Hydra/Hydra )
Still Got Any Good Weapon For LK to * pok * others job by using bowling ?
Blade would be better for BBing if you opted for Sword Guardian Cards (25% more BB damage). Other than that, you should stick with the spear for better overall skill damage and tactical fighting with spear skills.
Nani ~ its mean i should use blade wif IS/Sword.G/Hydra/TG ?
But Like What u Say ~ spear can do many thing
Spear stab ? .... Spear Bomme ...erm ~~ confuse confuse jor ??? ??? ???
Quote from: DrAg0nVaLoR on Jul 27, 2009, 11:40 AM
Nani ~ its mean i should use blade wif IS/Sword.G/Hydra/TG ?
But Like What u Say ~ spear can do many thing
Spear stab ? .... Spear Bomme ...erm ~~ confuse confuse jor ??? ??? ???
Yes, it means that if your objective is to land the strongest BBs, you should go with that card combination. Though no one is going to just stand there and take the damage, that's why I recommend you keep a carded spear handy in case you need to use spear exclusive skills such as Joint Beat, Spear Boomerang, Spiral Pierce, etc.
Erm....But ...If I using A pike ...how to use spiral =.=
hahaha ..the damage like ant bite oni ...haha....erm...now i just confusing ....5% big diffe on damage ? ( i meaning Swordguardian and Hydra )
;D ;D
Relic ...maybe u need try on my server ...
really big diffe on bowling wif dopple and bowling without dopple ...
(insane Ro ) ...( insare-ro.net)
haiz..forgot about it bah ..5% =(
Like wat Irrelevant Said ... Thats no one is going to just stand there and take the damage ...haha
For Relics
Waiting u Reply it ...Relic..
Hope U Will Keep On Reseach It ..and give me a Godly State For Bowling XD ;D ;D
Haha ~
Just a question, how much % does dopple reduce in aspd per card on your server.
Because I can't seem to hit 190 with the build you specify and 2 dopples on the test server.
Quote from: DrAg0nVaLoR on Jul 29, 2009, 08:31 PM
haiz..forgot about it bah ..5% =(
Like wat Irrelevant Said ... Thats no one is going to just stand there and take the damage ...haha
For Relics
Waiting u Reply it ...Relic..
Hope U Will Keep On Reseach It ..and give me a Godly State For Bowling XD ;D ;D
Haha ~
Actually, it's 45% more damage since your original weapon of choice had two dopplegangers in it. Not to mention that the use of a sword guardian card improves card flowing since you're not stacking hydras. a +10 blade is a light weapon, too. So I see no problem with carrying one. I would think carding the blade won't be a hassle as well since you already made it clear cards are easily obtainable in your server.
Regarding Spiral Pierce, I went on a little far fetched on that for spear skills. You would need a carded Pole Axe for it to work at its best. Still, if you're carrying a lot of armors already, I suggest you don't push your weight limit too much by luggaging a Pole Axe; pots are really important, too. Plus Spiral Pierce already pierces def, so you don't need I.S. cards on your SP weapon.
Again, Relics is right with the ASPD. It does make a difference when spamming BB, but it's just because it makes the client skip frames of the hit animation of BB; something which can already be avoided by just dancing the skills. Besides, BB already pushes your target away, so, like it or not, you won't be able to spam the skill much since your target will constantly get out of your range, and I believe 190 aspd is not enough to pull a two-BB-then-push trick.
Try the card combinations we gave you, you'll see that 40%~45% is a whole world of difference in damage terms.
Quote from: Irrelevant on Jul 30, 2009, 08:06 AM
Regarding Spiral Pierce, I went on a little far fetched on that for spear skills. You would need a carded Pole Axe for it to work at its best.
Since when is a Hunting Spear no longer the best Spiral weapon?
Quote from: CookieEater on Jul 30, 2009, 11:59 AM
Quote from: Irrelevant on Jul 30, 2009, 08:06 AM
Regarding Spiral Pierce, I went on a little far fetched on that for spear skills. You would need a carded Pole Axe for it to work at its best.
Since when is a Hunting Spear no longer the best Spiral weapon?
Pole Axe was best until ep 11.3 when Hunting Spear came
Quote from: CookieEater on Jul 30, 2009, 11:59 AM
Quote from: Irrelevant on Jul 30, 2009, 08:06 AM
Regarding Spiral Pierce, I went on a little far fetched on that for spear skills. You would need a carded Pole Axe for it to work at its best.
Since when is a Hunting Spear no longer the best Spiral weapon?
Touché.
Hunting spear is one handed and ignores def of brute monsters o.O incredible~
But it's slotted, most weight and spiral already pierces defense
It's the best weapon out there for spiral.
I win. Gimme money.
Quote from: CookieEater on Jul 30, 2009, 04:55 PM
I win. Gimme money.
Done. I stand my point, still. If he's already carrying a variety of V.Armors, he has no weight space to carry a SP spear.
......... Bowling Run Until Spiral ...hahaha
My state For Bowling Geh ~
If Spiral .. i think no need str bah ~ ( Agi Dex Settle )
Lol....SomeMore The Spiral ...Damage Abit Fix ~ ....Its Like Do The Same Damage To every job =.=
So I feel Bowling Is Better Much Bah ;D ;D ~ ....
Relic ~
The dopple card problem
Agi-1+20 ( Wif Bless And Besek Pot ) Without Weapon / Aspd 173
If Equ The Pike(Dopple/Dopple/Tg/IS) I got Aspd 190 ...
17 aspd Diffe .. :-\
I'm pretty sure it works but if it doesn't sucks for you but
you can always use 3x KIEL the #1 bestfriend for those who
doesn't like delays at least on server i played you can stack BB w/
KIEL even SB since it's basically 90% delay reduction and not just that all
your characters benefit from it.
And since you have that much delay reduction from those 3x card you no longer
need those Doppels and just use dmg cards for BB (ex. TG, Hydra, SW, or SwordGuardian)
NOTE:That's if you can afford the Kiel cards
aspd DOES make a lot of difference mind everyone here who says dancing is enough (even myself), I just didn't notice the OP said he had 190 aspd with just 1 agi.
Either way, if dopple really gives that much, try fixing your build at around ~186 aspd and make room for another damaging card.
Hahaha ` ;D ;D ;D
So What State Should I Use Leh ? Hehe
Give me some tips ~ ....
Quote from: DrAg0nVaLoR on Jul 31, 2009, 02:57 AM
If Spiral .. i think no need str bah ~ ( Agi Dex Settle )
D'erh, actually, Spiral Pierce depends mainly on STR and weapon weight.
Quote from: Irrelevant on Jul 31, 2009, 06:36 AM
Quote from: DrAg0nVaLoR on Jul 31, 2009, 02:57 AM
If Spiral .. i think no need str bah ~ ( Agi Dex Settle )
D'erh, actually, Spiral Pierce depends mainly on STR and weapon weight.
Not Big Diffe For The Str ~
:D
Quote from: DrAg0nVaLoR on Jul 24, 2009, 08:35 PM
Head2-Sunglasser(1) (Kathryen)
Kathryen card on SUNGLASSES is such a waste of SLOT have you read the description?
Reduce Casting Time by 1%
per Refine Level of the equipment this card is compunded on.
[Refine Rate 9~10]
MATK + 2
so your wasting that extra slot unless that sunnies is refined
Quote from: DrAg0nVaLoR on Jul 24, 2009, 08:35 PM
Vit-92+9
For me 92+9 Vit is way too high AD and Thana will eat you alive
i'd lower it down to 81+9 but that's just me and use the extra
stat points to AGI so you can get rid of one Doppel Card and add a dmg Card
Also shouldn't your STR be multiple of 10s? 99+32 is 131 that's a waste of
extra stat points and use it somewhere else make it 99+31
BTW i just tried your stats but is this a 99 Server? because you cant get
base str99, vit92, and dex70 you'll be way over the stat points by -196I just checked out your server and it says you can reborn up to 9 times and get
extra stat points so yea....
Relic wouldn't he be better off using 3x KIEL card to spam and stack BB or Spiral?
instead of using 2x katheryne(which the other one is a waste since its on a sunny
and it's not refined) and clock tower? then just use Orlean's glove or Ring w/ BEELZEBUB
since beelzebub gives 30% cast reduction and it's as much as 2x katheryne and 1 clock tower
Quote from: soki on Jul 31, 2009, 08:03 PM
Quote from: DrAg0nVaLoR on Jul 24, 2009, 08:35 PM
Head2-Sunglasser(1) (Kathryen)
Kathryen card on SUNGLASSES is such a waste of SLOT have you read the description?
Reduce Casting Time by 1% per Refine Level of the equipment this card is compunded on.
[Refine Rate 9~10]
MATK + 2
so your wasting that extra slot unless that sunnies is refined
Quote from: DrAg0nVaLoR on Jul 24, 2009, 08:35 PM
Vit-92+9
For me 92+9 Vit is way too high AD and Thana will eat you alive
i'd lower it down to 81+9 but that's just me and use the extra
stat points to AGI so you can get rid of one Doppel Card and add a dmg Card
Also shouldn't your STR be multiple of 10s? 99+32 is 131 that's a waste of
extra stat points and use it somewhere else make it 99+31
BTW i just tried your stats but is this a 99 Server? because you cant get
base str99, vit92, and dex70 you'll be way over the stat points by -196
I just checked out your server and it says you can reborn up to 9 times and get
extra stat points so yea....
Relic wouldn't he be better off using 3x KIEL card to spam and stack BB or Spiral?
instead of using 2x katheryne(which the other one is a waste since its on a sunny
and it's not refined) and clock tower? then just use Orlean's glove or Ring w/ BEELZEBUB
since beelzebub gives 30% cast reduction and it's as much as 2x katheryne and 1 clock tower
Erm .... So It Mean KIEL is Better Than KK ? (Actually The Glasser Is +10 one LoL )
SomeMore Beelzebub Card Is Not Easy To Find ~
Soki ~ So I Should Use What State ? Can Give me The Build ? Like Agi Need How Much / Str Need How much ~
Before This . I Was Thinking Use ( Horn Of Baffulo + Thor Shield ../ Aspd +10% Right ) ? Its mean Can Replace 1 Dopple
And Get 190 aspd Without 2 dopple ~ ....But I feel I will Become a Softy When My V.Shield Gone .( Element -20% )
Quote from: soki on Jul 31, 2009, 08:03 PM
Relic wouldn't he be better off using 3x KIEL card to spam and stack BB or Spiral?
instead of using 2x katheryne(which the other one is a waste since its on a sunny
and it's not refined) and clock tower? then just use Orlean's glove or Ring w/ BEELZEBUB
since beelzebub gives 30% cast reduction and it's as much as 2x katheryne and 1 clock tower
No, kiel doesn't work for BB because it's ASPD depended. And his accessories give a nice STR boost.
@dragonvalor, try pumping your agi to the the point that you have ~188 ASPD and 1 dopple.
99 STR.., rest in VIT.
Damage SHOULD ofcourse be higher, and you should be remotely fast enough like you were with 190 ASPD (the only difference being is that nobody can click at the speed of 190 aspd which makes it so useless sometimes, unless you macro)
Only do this if it doesn't sacrifice your VIT too much.
Quote from: Relics on Aug 01, 2009, 04:45 AM
No, kiel doesn't work for BB because it's ASPD depended. And his accessories give a nice STR boost.
Ah my bad i guess they change the scrpt/customed the KIEL on the server
i was playing since it worked on both Bowling Bash, Sonic Blow, and Grimtooth
so i thought it would work well it's good to know it doesnt work for BB on non-customed servers
Quote from: DrAg0nVaLoR on Aug 01, 2009, 12:24 AM
Erm .... So It Mean KIEL is Better Than KK ? (Actually The Glasser Is +10 one LoL )
Nevermind that i was wrong since Relic already said it doesnt work for BB just keep the Kathryne
No, I was saying it doesn't work for bowling at all on eathena, log into the test server and i'll show you.
By the way, the reason he's using kathrynes is because BB has an invisible cast time, so yes they are somehow effective for BB.
Quote from: Relics on Aug 01, 2009, 04:45 AM
Quote from: soki on Jul 31, 2009, 08:03 PM
Relic wouldn't he be better off using 3x KIEL card to spam and stack BB or Spiral?
instead of using 2x katheryne(which the other one is a waste since its on a sunny
and it's not refined) and clock tower? then just use Orlean's glove or Ring w/ BEELZEBUB
since beelzebub gives 30% cast reduction and it's as much as 2x katheryne and 1 clock tower
No, kiel doesn't work for BB because it's ASPD depended. And his accessories give a nice STR boost.
@dragonvalor, try pumping your agi to the the point that you have ~188 ASPD and 1 dopple.
99 STR.., rest in VIT.
Damage SHOULD ofcourse be higher, and you should be remotely fast enough like you were with 190 ASPD (the only difference being is that nobody can click at the speed of 190 aspd which makes it so useless sometimes, unless you macro)
Only do this if it doesn't sacrifice your VIT too much.
;D ;D Than My Dex Should Put How Much ?
haha AnyWay thx relic ~...
If Free Try Help Me Test The Agi ~ Dopple + (?agi) = Aspd 188 Hahaha ;)
Vit Need How Much ~ ( Stable HP For SB/Asura)
Dex Need How Much ~ ( Stable Hit Wif Concentration )
hahahaha thx thx everyone ~ After Get The State ..i Will Repost Those Eq and State To Show U alll ~ ;D
Meh, if you're not hitting enough people, then get around the dex you had (70) or you can always opt to make a weapon with a phreeoni in it.
Just add your AGI up to the point that you have ~188 ASPD, reset if you have to cause I don't know how much ASPD doppel adds on your server. 70 DEX and rest in VIT.
Ermm...I think ...Aspd more low abit ? ...
if I get 188 Wif 1 dopple ..
my state will be
Str-99
Agi-71 ( Too High ? )
vit-51 ( Too Low ....Sb wif element sure GG hahah )
dex-70
Yeah, that's way too low VIT.
What's your APSD with 99 str, 76 VIT, 70 DEX, rest in AGI?
Quote from: Relics on Jul 30, 2009, 04:47 PM
But it's slotted, most weight and spiral already pierces defense
It's the best weapon out there for spiral.
Quote from: CookieEater on Jul 30, 2009, 04:55 PM
I win. Gimme money.
Hunting Spear may easily appear to be is the "best" weapon for Clashing Spiral in terms of Weight and Damage output. But rest assured it isn't. There is another "weapon". /ok
Let's just say "sometimes, you have to look beyond the obvious". And since this is a thread about Bowling Bash, I will not bore you any further about Clashing Spiral.
Sigh, doomslayer tag is so old.
Erm ...RElic ~ haha Server Like Down jor ~
Will Reply u Here AFter i CAn on it >) :D :D
Posted on: Aug 01, 2009, 11:44 pm
Aaaaaaaaaa Relic ~ i'm Back
Str99
agi45
vit75
dex70
Aspd is 185 ~
;D ;D
Posted on: Aug 07, 2009, 02:32 am
Relic relic relic ~
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Need Help a ~~~ hahahhahahaha
I Stucking at the moment jor .... :D :D
Errr, it looks fine really.. you seem to have enough vit, your str is still 99.. you now do more damage because you switched a doppel with a damaging card.
How's the DPS? can you still stack like you used to with 190? if all of that is well, then.. I guess we're done?
just fyi, no build is perfect, you should play around with it and perhaps compare it to your old one, see which one feels better to you.
Hahaha ~ ;D
Erm~OK bah ~ state settle ~ Now Is weapon problem ~ ...I Just Count Somthing like this
1Hand Spear (Dopple + IS )
PIKE(Size Medium)
-Hydra(1.2%)
(60Damage X 1.2 = 72Damage)
(72Damge - Size75% = 54Damage)Total
-Hydra+Drake(1.2%)
(60Damage x 1.2 = 72Damage)
(72Damge - Size100% =72Damage)Total
-Hydra+Skel(1.38%)
(60Damage x 1.2 x 1.15 = 82Damage)
(82Damage - Size 75% = 61Damage)Total
-Hydra+TG
(60Damage x 1.2 x 1.2 = 86.4Damage)
(86.4Damage - Size 75% = 64.8Damage)Total
______________________________________________________________________________
1Hand Sword (Dopple + IS )
Blade(Size Medium)
-Hydra(1.2%)
(53Damage x 1.2 = 63.6)
(63.6Damge - Size100% = 63.6Damage)
-Hydra+skel(1.38%)
(53Damage x 1.2 x 1.15 = 73.14Damage)
(73.14Damage - Size100% = 73.14Damage)Total
-Hydra+TG(1.44%)
(53Damage x 1.2 x 1.2 = 76.32Damage)
(76.32Damage - Size100% = 76.32Damage)Total
-TG+SwordGuardian(1.5%)
(53Damage x 1.2 x 1.25 = 79.5Damage)
(79.5Damage - Size100% = 79.5Damage)Total
___________________________________________________________________________________
2Hand Sword (Dopple )
Katana(Size Medium)
-SwordGuardian+TG(1.5%)
(60Damage x 1.25 x 1.2 = 90Damage)
(90Damage - Size75% = 67.5Damage)Total
-SwordGuardian+TG+Hydra(1.8%)
(60Damage x 1.25 x 1.2 x 1.2 = 108Damage)
(108Damage - Size75% = 81Damage)Total
-SwordGuardian+TG+Drake(1.5%)
(60Damage x 1.2 x 1.25 = 90Damage)
(90Damage - Size100% = 90Damage)
Which SHould I use ~ And Got Any Idea for it ?
Don't use drake.
Pike[4] Inca, hydra, tg, dopp.
blade[4] Inca...
Sword master 2x - hydra = 1.5 * 1.2 = 1.8
Sword master - hydra - tg = 1.25* 1.2 * 1.2 = 1.8
Plonk a doppel in there and just use two sword masters (1.5) or sword master + hydra (1.25*1.2 = 1.5)
I'm not fond of two-handed since losing our shield can be a pain. Unless you feel like tagging a 2h on a frozen/stoned target .. then tagging back to pike shield..
So I Should Use Blade On iT ?
..... ??? ???
Well yeah, it's the best one handed sword with 4 slots.. unless you can get your hands on a naght blade (Don't know if it outdamages blade[4]) ..
Hahaha ~ erm ~ ....actually ~
I feel Blade abit Skillless :-\
And just now i got reseach on this 2 of weapon ~
If Blade ~ ..it will give me 188 aspd ~ ( Sound Good )
If Pike ~ ..its just 185 aspd ~ ( but seems can use more skill , Like Spear Bommerang ..Joint Beat ..etc ... )
haaha ~ see bah ~i will use blade it if really no others way ... :D
Posted on: Aug 08, 2009, 12:00 am
The Naght Seiger Sword Also Not Bad
Naght Sieger Sword Fire/Water(Size Medium)
TG(1.2%)
(150Damge x 1.2 = 180Damage)
(180Damage - Size100% = 180Damage)Total
(IS + Dop )
Actually I recommend pike, and perhaps tagging to blade when you need to spam faster.
But usually pike is better for chases and intercepting.. so imo, tag them both.
Mean I Should Make 1 Blade And 1 Pike (same Card) ?
Change Anytime When Needed ?
Yep, tagging is VERY important.
Hahah , srry relic ~ ..lets continue our reseach bah
so far i test ~
i i feel somthing good wif high vit ~ but feel somthing in bad wif high also
75vit is good in pvp when u saw those Creator ~
...but ~ ...maybe ppl can 1 sb ko u wif I.samurai card
maybe really dont have a prefect state for LK ?
izit all the build sure got weakness one ? :-[
hehe ;D
There is no such thing as a perfect build, the best you can do is adjust it so it works against all sides of the spectrum.. but probably not optimal.
Hahah ~ ..anyway ~ thx relics ~
u give me a big help haha ~
Should i spend u a cheese nun ? or some tea ice ?
:D :D :D
hahahahhaha