[Non-Renewal] Anyone can help me with a Battle Chant Pally?

[stephencurry30]

I've never made a BC pally for WoE in the past. I know builds like MR, RS, and Devotion builds.... but what should I combo BC with? Any help is appreciated.

[Triper]

Anything that you want. I used to use it with Devo. It's nice for 100k+ SBKs at Berz.

The only requisite that you really need is Blue Pots, nothing more, because it eats your SP like water.

[stephencurry30]

If I get the skill Gospel, I'm pretty sure I'll go for lvl 10 (lvl 1 only if it's just against stalkers). If I choose Devotion, shield skills(Shield Reflect/Auto Guard), and Pressure, I can only get something like lvl 10 SR/AG, lvl 1 pressure(just to mess with classes that require SP in WoE), but only lvl 2 Devo(mainly because I'm not the main Devotion Pally and I don't have enough skill points). Would lvl 2 Devo be too low even though I'm not the main sarificer?... If it's too low, I guess I'll lower auto guard to lvl 8 and up Devo to lvl 4.

Im going to get max Vit and some Str for carrying weights. Would a total of 100 dex too low for Devotion if I want to add some int to make it easier for Gospel and SP?

[Triper]

This can be summarized in the following:
- You want how much of Auto-Guard and Reflect Shield and that's with or without Peco?
After that it's:
- Devo 5 > all, the extra range is worth it to spam in the back lines safely.
- Auto-Guard after lv 8 is up to personal taste since many see that +1% rate per point is not worth. Still, Lv 7 isn't bad at all.
- Gospel it's either 1 or 10. 1 should be at any Paladin build because the "dispell anything at you" is always nice to have. 10 is for pure buffers.
- Pressure is up to you. You can do Devo 5, Gospel 10, AG 7, RS 6, Pressure 5 and still have 1 point left if you want but at Lv 5 with 190 aspd and bragi, it hurts.
- Peco's extra movement is a nice extra!

I personally prefer to ditch Pressure and just stick with Gospel 10, AG 7, SR 6, Peco, Chav Master 5 but some like to get Pressure instead of the Peco to be able to do something aside Gospel+Devo+Shield Boomerang+Shield Charge+Bash.

[stephencurry30]

I prefer to have Peco, but if not, I'll probably invest in Pressure.
It's impossible to get 190 aspd on a low-rate server(iRO style server) for pally, isn't it(considering without song)?
Thanks for the help, Triper. Appreciate it.

[Triper]

Without song you probably can't have it or if it's possible, you probably will have to sacrifice some dex gears.

[Astraeos]

It's possible to get 190 without songs, but it skews you're build/gears. I was getting 188 avg with a Devo/MR/GD build with MR/aspd gear on.

The thing about BC/Sac, is you're priority will be to sac targets and BC them from the backline which will mean you'll be separate from the LP. So shield reflect will not be important 99% of the time. Guard on the other hand is always useful. You always want lv5 Devo, just being able to hold down atleast 4 people constantly is so beneficial. The peco is optional (from my standpoint atleast) since speed pots will set your walking speed to 0.05 anyways. If you dont care about the ASPD you can get it, but you'll have to drop getting Pressure as the ASPD penalty to too great to make use of it properly, even with NoDelay.

I think you should forgo the Peco and use this skill build:
http://irowiki.org/~himeyasha/skill4/pld.html?10JkCBcHlfuF3bqeAGK

[stephencurry30]

Do you mind sharing how you reached 188-190ASPD?
Assulter Spear, high AGI, Glorious Ring, Bison/Thorny, Berserk Potion, and Buff... What other gears that helped you to reach 188-190 without sacrificing reduction gears? Did you use level 10 agi food and dex food?

It's possible to get 190 without songs, but it skews you're build/gears. I was getting 188 avg with a Devo/MR/GD build with MR/aspd gear on.

The thing about BC/Sac, is you're priority will be to sac targets and BC them from the backline which will mean you'll be separate from the LP. So shield reflect will not be important 99% of the time. Guard on the other hand is always useful. You always want lv5 Devo, just being able to hold down atleast 4 people constantly is so beneficial. The peco is optional (from my standpoint atleast) since speed pots will set your walking speed to 0.05 anyways. If you dont care about the ASPD you can get it, but you'll have to drop getting Pressure as the ASPD penalty to too great to make use of it properly, even with NoDelay.

I think you should forgo the Peco and use this skill build:
http://irowiki.org/~himeyasha/skill4/pld.html?10JkCBcHlfuF3bqeAGK

[Astraeos]

I was getting 188 with the RWC Gold Dragon (+10%), Assaulter Spear (+20%), Thorny Set (+10%), Berserk Potion (+30%), Guarana Candy (+10%). Total of +80% ASPD. You may not have Gold Dragon Helm and if you're on RE mechanics, these ASPD items will be multiplicative rather than additive, resulting in less ASPD gained.

My Paladin had something like 99 base DEX and 58? base AGI. So include Bless+AGI and that's where I am. This would sit me at 187-188.

[stephencurry30]

I was getting 188 with the RWC Gold Dragon (+10%), Assaulter Spear (+20%), Thorny Set (+10%), Berserk Potion (+30%), Guarana Candy (+10%). Total of +80% ASPD. You may not have Gold Dragon Helm and if you're on RE mechanics, these ASPD items will be multiplicative rather than additive, resulting in less ASPD gained.

My Paladin had something like 99 base DEX and 58? base AGI. So include Bless+AGI and that's where I am. This would sit me at 187-188.

My server is kind of like iRO. The Berserk Potion only gives +20% ASPD, and Berserk Potion + Guarana Candy don't stack ASPD. Nope, we don't have RWC Gold Dragon. We are pre-renewal server though.

In the end, I decide to give Pressure + Devotion Pally a try. I'm not sure if I should include MR in here. With base 99 dex and total 100 vit, 30 base Agi only gives me around 182 ASPD(including Buff, Assuaulter Spear, HoB+Thorny combo, and Berserk Potion). Should I even include MR in here with this ASPD? I don't want to depend on song + FAR the whole time... I did hope to use MR after the delay of GD if there are enermies nearby, but it might be too slow to do anything but waste my pots...? What do you guys think? Another question is.. does Agi even help reducing the animation delay for GD? And what level of GD is best to use in crowded situation(if no bragi around)? Thanks guys.

[Astraeos]

You're server is weird if Zerks + Candy dont work together, as they are supposed to. MR is optional, as you won't have a lot of options to use in a WoE environment. MR works fine with ~183.

GD+MR is wasteful to your DPS. GD if you want/need to rape their SP, MR for damage if their in range. AGI does reduce the animation delay for GD. If you don't have Bragi, use level 1 if your DEX is low, 5 if it's high. Without Bragi, GD isn't going to be very significant outside of eatting your opponents SP, which is only particularly effective verses Champions. For everyone else, especially VITless characters, it's much more effective to spam Shield Charge and stunlock them.

[stephencurry30]

Hmm, I'm trying to make a Pally mainly for devoting my guild members. I used to be pure MR Paladin, but since we are missing someone that can devote the squishy guildmates, I'm changing my role. Pure MR could take down other squishy people, but I think fast Devote will be more helpful to my guildmates. GD is mainly to eat Champs' SP like you said and because we have many Champs on the server. I tried to add MR to my build so I can have some DPS, but I think my main job is going to be keep people alive and use GD sometimes. I think I might drop MR though, because the DPS isn't too good...

You're server is weird if Zerks + Candy dont work together, as they are supposed to. MR is optional, as you won't have a lot of options to use in a WoE environment. MR works fine with ~183.

GD+MR is wasteful to your DPS. GD if you want/need to rape their SP, MR for damage if their in range. AGI does reduce the animation delay for GD. If you don't have Bragi, use level 1 if your DEX is low, 5 if it's high. Without Bragi, GD isn't going to be very significant outside of eatting your opponents SP, which is only particularly effective verses Champions. For everyone else, especially VITless characters, it's much more effective to spam Shield Charge and stunlock them.

[Astraeos]

Yea GD+sac is going to be better 99% of the time in a woe environment. You can also go with this build or just drop bc 10 and get lv1 for removing debuffs:
http://irowiki.org/~himeyasha/skill4/pld.html?10bnbncJkFuF3bqeAGK

Might work for what you want, just keep the high dex/vit build you have. Yea, you wont have the peco but your only losing the carrying space. For everything else there's speed pots (that's the elitist in me speaking). Also helps drop aggro on you since you'll be harder to target in a stack. 99% of the time you'll just be spamming sac on your devo targets.

[stephencurry30]

I agree with your build. Thanks for taking the time to explain