[Non-Renewal] LK vs Full-Asura Type Champion

Started by dead4dead, Dec 27, 2013, 06:04 AM

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dead4dead

i have been into ragnarok for a long time,
and my favorite job is Knight, and it's advanced form Lord Knight
but during all these year playing ragnarok.
there is one obstacle that i don't know how to deal with, it's the full asura type champion.

i'm currently trying a new server my friend suggest, the item isn't much different from any regular RO
no donation, and custom item included, and the mvp, and mini-boss card is a mess *very hard to find, almost no one selling it since it's to rare, i tried my self looking for some unwanted mvp card so i can lock it straight, but yeah 2 week straight and no card dropped yet *
so in note i can't use any mvp or mini-boss card.

how am i suppose to deal with these asura type champion?
where i can't get my hand on either Tao Gunka and Deviling.

i'm currently using
Feather Beret.
Blush of Groom
Meteo Plate of Ares [ Pecopeco ]
Cranial Thorn Buckler [ Thara Frog ]
Immune Wool Scarf [ Raydric ]
Tidal Shoes of Wanderer [ Green Ferus ]
Buffalo Horn [ Horong ]
Nimble Cursed Hand [ Zerom ]

and i still can't survive the asura from those full asura type
they will mostly deal 30k-35k damage, and my hp isn't even reaching 30k.

"Note:
a full asura type, is basically a type of champion that didn't bother about their defense.
they simply put all their status in either str/int/dex, for maximum amount of asura.
i tried making one, and they don't even need proper gear to ohko, the most well geared character, in note after you used asura, you're also out( either die, or can't do anything )
there is many of these kind in my current server, they are basically the front line in defending Emperium, they die often but when they die they drag you along with them
and that is the main problem. 

some people suggest to use hiding from smokie card.
but, i doubt it will help, since they have ruwach. /hmm

can any one give a tips, how to deal with them?

GianFax

If you cannot afford to have GR/Devi gears, you must face them with pally or HP.

Pally - you can request for support (Devotion) to half or resist the damage of asura strike, after it hits you the pally surely die and you have the chance to kill the champ.

HP - once you have entered the arena, you can request for assumptio, then safety wall to secure you from asura. after it hits you, use clashing spiral or bb to kill the champ.

No other cards can help you from that situation because you cant resist it by yourself.

Sarin

Hidedodging is possible with some practice, even against ruwach. Just make sure that in the moment they start casting you are at their max range and moving away from them, you'll have an opening to hide outside ruwach area.

Other solution is to join the lottery, and go 2H sword BB spam. Parry can block asura...but it's about luck. Spam bash on them to stun.

dead4dead

i see , so it's imposible to defend against those type of champion
i will try the hiding tech since it seems to be the last resort possible.

but i doubt if i will be able to walk out of their ruwach in time.
since most of them cast their asura pretty fast to, around 0.5-1 second.

ah about ansumptio, i already used it, and i still receive 30-35k damage
if i didn't have asumptio or get dispelled, i don't know how many damage will i receive.

about entering 2-handed mode, i doubt it will be good, since 2-h get 25% damage reduction on normal sized monster
mean 25% less damage on the enemy, and if i used 2-handed, i don't know what sword should i use.

Triper

No diabolus, CK, Variants, Proxy or BG Gear? They make a big difference compared to the Meteor+Tidal set.

A full Diabolus Set [talking also about 2 diabolus ring for more hp] should give you a big chunk of HP, enough to survive one asura [not a full buffed ofc but a full dmg build with just ~1600 sp/120 str should be tanked and you survive with some HP].
Full BG [talking about 2 medals too] should do the same.
Variants+Proxy should do the same.
The only difference is the HP/reduces, use what you feel that fits your char. I personally prefer to stack HP on fat chars like Paladins/Lord Knights since it's what gets me better results

Bradium Shield+thara is a must, you need one if you want to survive and always swap vs them since that +600 HP is always nice to have.

Ofc this doesn't get you a "win" vs an asura you should try to evade them always with hide if you can't tank them. As long as the asura isn't made from one champ with 150 dex, you can always hide it even if it's hard to do it ... sometimes :s

Don't forget that you can always die with the champ by using a Valkyrie's Manteau with some decent refine along that Thorn Shield+HotB!

dead4dead

yes i planned on making CK
about proxy, i don't know how to fight the mvp, some people said it was easy using bio alchemist + bragi.
but i will try it latter.

about BG, it isn't implemented in this server, yeah sadly no BG and BG item.

about bradium bonus hp, is it also get +20% from variant?

Sarin

Quote from: dead4dead on Dec 28, 2013, 02:14 AM
about entering 2-handed mode, i doubt it will be good, since 2-h get 25% damage reduction on normal sized monster
mean 25% less damage on the enemy, and if i used 2-handed, i don't know what sword should i use.

Nope. The size penalty is applied only on weapon ATK, not whole ATK. So the reduction is actually tiny.

Old good +10 Katana [4] works wonders. Against high def enemies, Executioner can work,  but it's very situational. Highly upgraded Krasnaya [3] is also a good choice.

Triper

Actually it depends on the server you play since I've seen some that made it just add +500 hp and nothing more but usually it works like this:
- add the HP to your max HP value
- variants will add 20% of that total

Example:
9500 will be 10000 without any gear on aside Bradium Shield
You've 10k HP with just bradium on? Variants +0 will make you have 12k since it will add +20% of your Max HP.

PinkNoodle

#8
I'd say swap out that Tidal+Wool for a Diablos set. You can get a nice HP boost from that, maybe even enough to push you up to 32k HP. (And reduce the Asura damage by an additional 5% which stacks on whatever you already have)
You could also get the defense version of GBH for an extra 2% resistance against Demis, and swap for a CK before they drop their Asura to tank it.

Hide Clip is a good alternative, but not the only one. You need to play intelligently. Since they're on full Asura build (Meaning no vit), you could get a Stapo Card and loot a good 300 stones in town, get in, use a Guarana candy, kite the champion and throw stones at him till he stuns and once he does, go at him with BBs to take him down. If he relocs and tries to Asura right afterwards, you can even combine Smokie with Stapo and confuse him with the both.

If you're spear-type, you could try getting a Pike [4] and slotting it with all sorts of status cards (Magnolia, Savage Babe, Marina...) or you could even get a Pike [4] with four of the most annoying cards to counter his low Vit (4 Savage Babes would be perfect, for example), run and Boomerang till he stuns and finish him off with a well placed Spiral Pierce.

Always exploit the weakness of their build. A champion with 1 Vit would most definitely have way below 10k HP, something around 8-9k depending on what they're wearing. That makes them an easy target for your powerful blows, given you have the right weapon (Hunting Spear/Carled with Spiral, Exe/Katana/Krasnaya on BB). Don't forget the fact that if they're going for a full Asura build, meaning a 1hko which you'll most certainly won't be able to tank, you can also go for a full damage build to kill them in one/two hits.

Of course, if we're talking about WoE, it's a different story...

EDIT : So, I just noticed the last sentence in your post.

You can just get some gypsies on your guild and bragi Scream, that'll lock them in place and anyone can just go finish them off.

dead4dead

okay i already get my hand on krasnaya +10
so which card should i use? the same bloody of double force?
or a new set of card

ah ic, so i need to check it my own, once i got a variant.

diablos isn't something that can easily found in here, since soloing morroc isn't a easy task.
if it's just the manteau i can get some, but which shoes should i use, in exchange of diablos boots?

actually i used both sword and spear, i bring some pike[4]
one with double decrease agi double curse, one with double sleep double froze
and i'm mainly focused on high str bb type.
and yeah how much should i pour into the str? right now i have total of 150 str ( with priest buff and food )
should i put less in str, and put more in vit/agi/dex?

anyway a bit out of topic, talking about facing champion.
it's about bowling bash.
bowling bash sure have cast, and after cast delay.
which can be reduced by dex and agi.
but i start to wonder, if the after cast delay is affected by agi, or merely affected by aspd.
since we're knight agi =/= aspd, we can build high enough aspd with low agi. which will be useful in vit build.

btw tomorrow is another woe in my server, so it's practically time to put all the tips here into actual combat.
i really wonder how will it turn out, i will comment again latter, after the woe

Triper

It's aspd. A 190 aspd+150 dex = spam until your fingers die.

PinkNoodle

I've always felt the DEX was always much more essential to BB than ASPD. Granted, ASPD makes for some great ACD reductions, but you have to look at the bigger picture.

For starters, DEX boosts your hit which will help if you end up BBing something with Flee. It will also increase your minimal damage getting it closer and closer to your maximal damage (Which will also be granted a slight boost) making your damage much more stable and less RNG-biased. Lastly, DEX will shorten the duration of the "cast time" for BB during which you're vulnerable (Your Def is also split by 1/3) and is much "easier" to stack.

ASPD, on the other hand, is a hard stat to boost at higher levels but really easy to raise if it's low enough. Two Hand Quicken, Berserk Pots, Increase AGI and you're easily at 175-180 ASPD. I guess what I'm trying to say here is you can reach high ASPD levels without wasting points on AGI which would (On LK out of all classes, especially) be a shame.

So just a balanced STR/DEX build with the rest in VIT with something around 110-130 DEX and 180 ASPD offers a more than respectable BB spam. You don't need to sacrifice card slots and whatnot just to boost either stat, your resistances have the priority.