Regarding RO Work, Graphics, Maps, Sprites, etc...

LemonCrosswalk · Jul 14, 2009, 12:10 PM

I think the majority of people defending others from taking graphics and such are too lazy and/or lack the talent to do so. It mostly sounds like trying to justify you're ripping someone's work off while you know that is against the creator's wishes.

LiteX · Jul 14, 2009, 10:23 PM

http://www.ratemyserver.net/forum/junk-yard/arguing-about-copyrights/0/

It's pretty debateble, Silver has copyrighted some of her original RO stuff (Big Cards?), and Chexie has copyrighted some of her Art (Non-RO Related), so yeah...

Annihilate · Jul 15, 2009, 02:08 AM

Quote from: LiteX on Jul 14, 2009, 10:23 PM
http://www.ratemyserver.net/forum/junk-yard/arguing-about-copyrights/0/

It's pretty debateble, Silver has copyrighted some of her original RO stuff (Big Cards?), and Chexie has copyrighted some of her Art (Non-RO Related), so yeah...

Yeah good point. But it takes a very detailed process in verifying the claims. I think complaints/ claims should be sent to the proper authorities because RMS does not have any reasonably fool-proof system to verify those.

kinzoku · Jul 15, 2009, 06:45 PM

Although I was somewhat aiming for a less legal thing and copy righting but more as a rule around RMS so if you steal someone elses work you can either remove the work from your server or be removed from the RMS listings. Since I'm fairly sure removing someone from the listing due to rules is not illegal.

P.S I think I responded to the one you posted in the other topic wondering about a clarification because the GNU is really really vague. I guess it was suppose to be made vague anyways.

Quote from: kinzoku on Jul 15, 2009, 05:03 PM
Quote from: Annihilate on Jul 13, 2009, 07:20 AM
As far as I know, eAthena and all its software is freeware under a GNU public license agreement. This means that everything that derived from it should be under the same agreement too. Custom from that old server being copied by Musique is actually ok, and they cannot get penalised for that.

Quote
GNU GENERAL PUBLIC LICENSE
Version 2, June 1991

....

2. You may modify your copy or copies of the Program or any portion
of it, thus forming a work based on the Program, and copy and
distribute such modifications or work under the terms of Section 1
above, provided that you also meet all of these conditions:

a) You must cause the modified files to carry prominent notices
stating that you changed the files and the date of any change.

b) You must cause any work that you distribute or publish, that in
whole or in part contains or is derived from the Program or any
part thereof, to be licensed as a whole at no charge to all third
parties under the terms of this License.

....

(Source: http://svn.eathena.ws/svn/ea/trunk/LICENCE)
Just checking something but it states that

Anything you make in part or whole from the Program "eAthena" or something like that is to be free to all third parties under the terms of this license.

I don't really think you make sprites or customs from the eAthena files or even the Ragnarok files.
Fully custom sprites made on their own "not modified from current sprites" do not abide by this rule?

I'm just seeking clarification because that sentence hardly makes sense.

EDIT:
When it's referring to the program I do believe it refers to the eAthena SRC and server files not the Ragnarok files in anyway. Thus if you make a completely new sprite from scratch it should technically be able to be made copy written because it is your work and your idea even if it's being used for something else.
Also to most of those people that state "Fan Art/Customs" can't be copy written because it's based off a copy written game or the characters/sprites on not their ideas. There's a lot of things that are parodies or comics about a game but are copy written.

Hutchy · Jul 16, 2009, 12:28 AM

I don't defend people who take s***, but I don't know why people complain about goddamn sprite recolors and things like that. I've sprited before, I don't think it takes talent so much as time (for most of the custom sprites I've seen, anyway...). I think most people could make a bow headgear if they tried hard enough, whether they're "talented" or not.

Show me an example of when someone sued over another server claiming ownership of custom sprites, and I'll start whistling a different tune, maybe... but until then, no dice.

I'm just tired of the damn fanart/sprite copyright thing. If I worry something that I made will be stolen if I put it online, I just don't put it online.

Edit: holy mother of typo

LiteX · Jul 16, 2009, 01:04 AM

Quote from: Hutchy on Jul 16, 2009, 12:28 AM
I don't defend people who take s***, but I don't know why people complain about goddamn sprite recolors and things like that. I've sprited before, I don't think it takes talent so much as time (for most of the custom sprites I've seen, anyway...). I think most people could make a bow headgear if they tried hard enough, whether they're "talented" or not.

Show me an example of when someone sued over another server claiming ownership of custom sprites, and I'll start whistling a different tune, maybe... but until then, no dice.

I'm just tired of the damn fanart/sprite copyright thing. If I worry something that I made will be stolen if I put it online, I just don't put it online.

Edit: holy mother of typo

Most people are very lazy (Heck, you see people begging for a server on a silver platter 24/7 in RMS), or they just think that "More Custom=Better Servers" so they just start stealing s*** from all servers they see.

And hasn't Silverstream or Chex sued someone for stealing copyrighted material?

And you have to take account that most of these things are either ripped or just stolen fanart, saying "If I worry something that I made will be stolen if I put it online, I just don't put it online." is like saying "You shouldn't put things in your pocket if you don't want to get pickpocketed!" or "You should not go out if you don't want to get robbed!".

And a bigger problem is that some people that don't even know wtf is copyrights, so yeah...

kinzoku · Jul 16, 2009, 02:11 AM

if you don't want to die don't live in the first place.

Stealing generic customs is not really something anyone should be worried about. Blue Valk, Red Fairy Wings, etc...

It's when people steal fully custom made sprites that were from scratch entirely is where the larger issues are.

Hutchy · Jul 17, 2009, 08:45 AM

Life/death =/= fanart on the internet. Lol.

kinzoku · Jul 17, 2009, 04:29 PM

Not so much fan art but efforted sprites and I was referring to what LiteX said

"You shouldn't put things in your pocket if you don't want to get pickpocketed!" or "You should not go out if you don't want to get robbed!".

Hutchy · Jul 17, 2009, 06:27 PM

I guess I'm the only one who operates on that train of thought. If I don't want s*** stolen, I take better care of it. And no, I don't keep my money in my pocket for that very reason. Maybe I'm just overly cautious...

kinzoku · Jul 18, 2009, 10:39 PM

Quote from: Hutchy on Jul 17, 2009, 06:27 PM
I guess I'm the only one who operates on that train of thought. If I don't want s*** stolen, I take better care of it. And no, I don't keep my money in my pocket for that very reason. Maybe I'm just overly cautious...

Well then propose a better way to protect our sprites? Just about any determined computer savy person can easily get them most of the time.

Hutchy · Jul 19, 2009, 12:49 PM

I never said I had a way of "protecting" custom material. Thus me saying if I don't want things stolen I don't make them available to anyone.

kinzoku · Jul 19, 2009, 03:23 PM

That could just be you but if everyone did that the world would still be back in the stone age.

Hutchy · Jul 19, 2009, 03:45 PM

But nobody's s*** would get stolen, would it? :3 And no one would come to RMS and cry about how someone recolored their goddamned Naruto headbands or whatever.. I'd prefer the stone age, I think.

kinzoku · Jul 19, 2009, 08:17 PM

A stone age where people can only dream of coloured Naruto head bands.