UtopiaRO NW

[Yusifer]

... No, you weren't. :x

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You were added to the staff chat on the 14th, the conversation being referenced transpired August 13th. :x

I was added to Serenity's Inner Circle on August 13th, 2011 and the uRO Staff on August 10th.

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Meanwhile, my posts in the Storyline Discussion occured around August 10th, since I remember saying in the uRO Mediation how there "Must be another conversation going on because I'm writing these quests and they're saying "this and this was already discussed" when I don't see it being discussed at all." I was forum admin a few days before being added to the Staff group - 'was stuck in Mediation - and was working on the quests on/before August 13th (when Styx apparently told everyone his idea.)

Even if it occured in a different chat on August 13th, it doesn't explain how I had already started writing and talking about the quests before Styx's timestamp :x Your timestamp is, again, saying around 8pm August 13th, 2011 - and we share a similar timezone, that's for sure - whilst my actual first post of a quest occured at 12:30am August 13th, 2011. That goes to show that the storyline part came at least two days before I started posting quests, maybe more, and that my first quest was posted 20h before anything was mentioned in the uRO Staff chat - even if I wasn't there to see it, your timestamp on your version is evidence on my part. I started my quests before he started discussing any storyline content behind-the-scenes with me, and I had posted my summary before it was in the staff chat because I had posted it before I started writing any quests.

I can't remember your timezone, but it is an American one, which means that there was a delay of minimum 15h between my writing the quest and therefore, the storyline (coming first), and Styx's faction discussion in the staff channel. It was after that discussion that I had to modify my first quest to include orcs instead of humans.

And it's not an assumption. It's looking at timezones and timestamps.

A more organized view of this:

- August 10/11/12th: Yusifer wrote the main storyline part
- August 10/11/12th: Styx contributed to the faction idea
- August 13th, 12:30am EST: Yusifer wrote the first Faerie Quest (see: time)
- August 13th, ~8:00pm: Styx discusses Faction in uRO Staff group (see: time, subtract up to 5h to vary American timezones - it's still considerably later than when my quest was written)
- August 14th: Styx asked for orcs to be included; complied

All in the timestamps :x Even if you lived in Japan, I wrote my first quest - and thus, the storyline - before that conversation ever took place, with or without my presence. If you were in Japan, it'd have been around 2pm. It is impossible for me to be 12:30am and you to have been 8:00pm, or even 3:00pm. You said your conversation was on August 13th, which leaves you 30min in GMT-5 time to say it before I even mentioned anything - a time where I was already working ON the quest, so it STILL doesn't make sense. There is no such thing as one person being (on the SAME date) 1:00am and another being 8:00pm. That timezone doesn't exist. Even 1:00am and 3:00pm, which is the max American timezone limit for your Skype conversation (taking into account I don't know in the U.S. where you are, Justin, just know you're there.) GMT+14 doesn't exist either. It's impossible. Mine came first, and it's so obvious now that, well, yeah. Plus the Storyline Discussion having occured 1-3 days before I even started writing anything, that goes to show that mine came first :x

@cupcake,

You still have the Storyline Discussion on your forum - Styx quoted it, so can you send it to me please?

[Edit]

I'm going to bed for now. If you can explain a GMT+20 timezone, be my guest :x

[jTynne]

I'm not seeing it in any of my searches, so I'm guessing he saved it to his PC (??) and is quoting directly from it locally. Odd, but I'd done the same with your quest writings so that I could mail them to you after removing them from the forum.

In regard to the dispute between you and Styx, that's between the two of you, so I'm going to two step out of that discussion. Ultimately, it's a debate of content that's not being used on uRO (not even Factions), and since I don't have the original forum posts any longer, I'll leave that for the two of you to discuss, because I can't spend much more time on this 'til after Sunday's maintenance (maps to finish, ~5 more npcs to write, and prepping the patches). Whoever wants to take credit for content not being used, go for it, just do it in private or start inserting 4chan images so I can at least have a chuckle in between wincing at people going back and forth that I've known for a while. x_x;

ON THAT NOTE, I'm diving back in to note pad and browedit and getting back to work. ADIEU TO YOU ALL ;;

[Yusifer]

I'm not seeing it in any of my searches, so I'm guessing he saved it to his PC (??) and is quoting directly from it locally. Odd, but I'd done the same with your quest writings so that I could mail them to you after removing them from the forum.

ON THAT NOTE, I'm diving back in to note pad and browedit and getting back to work. ADIEU TO YOU ALL ;;

Have fun Again, thank you for being reasonable. That's my greatest respect towards you.

[Edit]

Back to the German's case, you say:

His message to her was just as rude, thus he was denied. She personally wanted to lessen his temporary ban until she received the same tone from him as myself.

Again, I don't see where he's rude, unless telling the truth about punishment length is insulting. If using what's available as a reasonable defense is rude, then the world's gone to Hell:

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Hey CM-Nyx,

it's I like Panda. SM-Serenity told to send you an email to discuss/have further information about my case.
And I don't want to post on the forum to avoid drama which wouldn't good for the servers reputation.
In the first place I wanted to say sorry for sounding rude, really wasn't intended but maybe was a cause of me not being native speaker and not finding the right words or using w
using words which aren't rude in German but may sound rude for native speakers when being translated.
I didn't know that others didn't like me posting feedback in the main chat (since it's the fastest way to get an answer), but I got to say that I stopped that after I was told.
It was my first offense at all and I stopped after I read that my words were seen as rude. Well I can't change what happe
change what happened, even if I loved to do so, I can only say sorry and ask for your understanding and ask you to forward my sorry to SM-Serenity since it mostly was him feeling disrespected.
The temp ban had definitly it's use since I had enough time (that's why I'm writing now) to think about what happened and learn for the next time if you give me a another chance. Hope the ban won't be longer
Hope the ban won't be longer than a day (for this issue, since I just looked in the rules and it states 60 min mute for 1st offense).

Would love to hear your opinion or this email being stated as "been read" so that I know it found it's addressee and maybe advises how to behave in cases like this.

Greetings and a nice rest evening,
Note all the spelling errors, "advises" = "advice", etc. Can't discriminate against a non-English speaker for that (especially since even anglophones write "advice" wrong a lot lol)

Also, you told him to send a Support Ticket or else the ban wouldn't be lessened. According to his friends who still play there, you told them that he never did write a Support Ticket - which he clearly did, and you admitted to now.

So both him and I would like to understand that further, since this is his first time playing uRO, and this is how he was treated for sharing his opinion and then trying to excuse himself. As seen here [Here] (compared to this), it clearly says mute, with the max temp' ban being two days - for a second account. This was his first ever rule break in the server. He didn't play v1. He didn't say anything wrong on the forum. He didn't even disrespect anyone as far as I can see, in both the #main and the Support Ticket.

Sounds like someone had a bad day and was harsh on a new player :x which doesn't show people / potential players that you guys are as reasonable as [I know you were] you should be. Also show's inconsistency, even if everything's subject to "case-by-case ruling", it's not like he came out and called you guys s*** in #main. I'd understand that, but as far as I can see, forum wasn't an option, PMs were blocked, @hide, and maybe, just maybe, he didn't think it required a Support Ticket because you were online to answer his question - and he saw other people asking questions in #main, but he was the only one punished for it.

We'll summarize that, too:

- Panda says three days wait on Niddhogur is too much ("ridiculous")
- jTynne says it won't be changed
- Panda asks that homunculi be coded not to access Ides barriers
- Panda mentions that Luna Kaleet script is bugged (not realizing jTynne already knew)
- jTynne says he fixed it
- Panda's happy with that, saying "nice"
- Panda says he's too lazy for the feedback forum (maybe the only kinda "rude" comment in the whole collection)
- jTynne says Nyx would have already banned him for the above ^
- Panda says, in different words, that people use #main for a variety of things, regardless there be a forum for it
- Panda perplexed: banned for having a discussion in #main?
- jTynne says he's being rude
- Panda wants to know what he said that was rude (since, as said in the Support Ticket, it may be that in his language it isn't, but in English it is)
- Iyarashi is banned for two weeks for saying that "if you're anything but docile like a sheep, you get the banhammer"
#041 - jTynne hardware bans both of them, without specifying what was "rude" about Panda's inquieries when Panda was confused about it
#044 - jTynne states that a permanent ban is imminent when it goes to "tribunal" with Nyx, Styx, etc.
- Panda contacts Nyx via Support Ticket, again not sure exactly what he said that was rude
- Nyx doesn't respond; instead, staff tell players who ask on his part that he never sent a Support Ticket

There wasn't even a warning. jTynne said that Nyx would have already banned him, and then he banned Panda himself when Panda asked what he had done. That's not a textual warning - you would need to explain exactly what was said that was bad and give the player a chance to redeem. That never happened. It was Nyx would'a banned -> insta'-banned by jTynne right after saying that. Panda didn't know what he had said wrong, and you never told him what it was - that saying "ridiculous" was rude, or whatever - or gave him a chance to look it over and apologize. Nan. Insta-ban, for 12-13 days longer than a Second Offense would have been (which, being is first time, makes no sense.)

I've seen you @mute people for players talking impulsively like that in v1. Your rules are your rules, but don't write a punishment guideline if you're going to throw it out-of-porportion when something does happen that you find disrespectful, the player doesn't understand, and you ban them for a lot, lot longer than they should have been.

[Chemical Crush]

Kay I read most of this and I can't really say much except.

Yusifer, you should have known, giving this server a review at all would cause drama.  As much as I like talking to you, you should have just known better.

Can I also just say, that no offense, but Styx you come off as a jerkwad sometimes with your sarcastic remarks.  I don't mean to yusifer, but in general.  You're public relations, Im assuming?  Yet you can't even stand ground and sound friendly / professional a lot of the time.  [ I don't mean to Yusifer ].  Unless i've been reading some stuff out of context and you don't mean to sound sarcastic. If that's the case, I apologize, cause I know sometimes I come off as rude when I really don't mean to.

Honestly that was one of the only things that bugged me on uRO.  Well that, and the community just bashing people for asking a question / having an opinion.

-Shrugs-  This is nothing to do with Yusifer working on the server because I didn't know yusifer until she invited me to the server.

Anyways, jTynne, I hope you keep up the great work with the server.  It truly is a good server, only reason I didn't really stay is because for some god odd reason I lagged a lot [ I'm going to blame my connection cause it was really wonky before ] and the lack of story line quests [ which I completely understand why they werent used ]. 

[jTynne]

@ Yusifer,

Hey CM-Nyx,

it's I like Panda. SM-Serenity told to send you an email to discuss/have further information about my case.
And I don't want to post on the forum to avoid drama which wouldn't good for the servers reputation.
In the first place I wanted to say sorry for sounding rude, really wasn't intended but maybe was a cause of me not being native speaker and not finding the right words or using w
using words which aren't rude in German but may sound rude for native speakers when being translated.
I didn't know that others didn't like me posting feedback in the main chat (since it's the fastest way to get an answer), but I got to say that I stopped that after I was told.
It was my first offense at all and I stopped after I read that my words were seen as rude. Well I can't change what happe
change what happened, even if I loved to do so, I can only say sorry and ask for your understanding and ask you to forward my sorry to SM-Serenity since it mostly was him feeling disrespected.
The temp ban had definitly it's use since I had enough time (that's why I'm writing now) to think about what happened and learn for the next time if you give me a another chance. Hope the ban won't be longer
Hope the ban won't be longer than a day (for this issue, since I just looked in the rules and it states 60 min mute for 1st offense).

Would love to hear your opinion or this email being stated as "been read" so that I know it found it's addressee and maybe advises how to behave in cases like this.

Greetings and a nice rest evening,

The above has not been received by the mailbox nyx@utopiaro.com (I've checked incomings and there's nothing there from Panda's uRO e-mail address). Tyrrain, however, did write an e-mail, and it reads as follows:

An apology should never be issued when one is not warranted, i never disrespected SM-Serenity, if he and you are so far stuck up your own behinds that you cannot admit a mistake, clearly this is not the place for me. I never directed the statement at any GM thats just you people being overly sensitive of anything and everything.

Good luck with your server, and lets hope nobody ever utters a word that isn't rainbows and kittens in the presence of a CM,GM or SM ever again.
Fare thee well I'm out.

That is what was received from Tyrrain. Panda's e-mail never wound up in anyone's inbox (which sucks, because had we received that e-mail, we would have immediately revoked his temp-ban). Now that I have seen it, I'll go ahead and lift that temp ban. Tyrrain's will remain for the duration of two weeks, however.


@ Chemical Crush : I'll agree that Styx has a very rough demeanor, especially for someone on Public Relations. After this month's evaluations, he will likely be moved to a different area of staff pending reviews from the rest of the team.

I am, however, glad that you were able to enjoy your stay while you did, and sucks that your connection was crapping out on you to the server, as the beginning of the storyline content I've written goes live in just a few hours. I do so hope that you find a server to your liking in the future with a solid connection for you!

* jTynne runs back to work ;w;

[Yusifer]

Tyrrain's initial comment in-game wasn't really worth the ban, but that e-mail he sent you certainly was. That's disrespectful by all means :x

and I'm glad you unbanned him, though I'm not sure he'll play again anyway. He might still be frustrated but I'll tell him tomorrow that he can play again if he wants to.