UtopiaRO NW

[Yusifer]

First off, I'll say I didn't play the v2 for very long - a week at the most - but I was a long-term player in v1 and a Mediator. A few of my friends continued playing there even after I left, though, and part of their experience is shared here, too. Those opinions will be marked in green.

To begin, this is a fair review, and has nothing to do with having been on the staff pre-launch. If, before you respond that is, you're going to comment on this as a basis of argument, don't even bother - it's an empty argument and has nothing to do with what's written here.

Availability - 10/10

In the two or so weeks that the server's been online, I haven't seen any downtime. I look at the website often enough, even after quitting, to see how many are online. My playtime was smooth and lagless, and it seems that the availability and stability has retained this positive attribute.

Friendliness [Community] - 5/10

There are a lot of veterans from v1 back on v2, veterans whom I considered to be friendly. Don't get me wrong - you log in in-game for the first time, and you're overwhelmed with welcomes. It's nice to know that people will take the time to write a welcome in #main or simply CTRL+V it into the textbox. These veterans, however, weren't as friendly as I thought, and harrassed me for asking a question while teaming up on people who weren't even involved. They harrassed two other players of the server, who subsequently left, thinking that them supporting anything I said was equivelent to knowing me personally - which was not the case at the time. Since the incident is a common factor of our RO "life", we have bonded since, but we hadn't really spoken prior to the incident overall. It's unfortunate to know that the community I had praised quickly turned face because they had the wrong idea about the situation behind-the-scenes. What they thought was a grudge because of being inexplicably removed from the staff was actually just a question out of ignorance of not knowing Rachel required donations in v1. If I had known that? Then I wouldn't have asked about it, but to my knowledge, Rachel in v1 had always been open and available to everyone without requiring 500M. The thread was junked and I don't know if it's still floating around in the trash bin, but the hostility was incredulous.

The server, according to my friend's experience, also rejoices in anyone being banned for any reason, even if it's small and ridiculous, or even a misunderstanding. It hypes them up and excites them, causing drama amongst themselves and rumours, mindless banter and chatter. It's sad, especially when a ban occurs that is quite lengthy for something that had been misunderstood or taken wrong.

Friendliness [Staff] - 3/10

The staff, minus Nyx/Saki specifically, happen to be friendly, but among them are hypocrites - in my experience, all of them - who'll say what you want to hear, but really mean something else and plot behind-the-scenes. Nyx/Saki had issues with a lot of players in v1 (or maybe, the players had problem with her? or both? However you want to word it) and managed to portray herself as an upfront, drastic, moody individual, but focused and useful on the staff - except for public relations. Serenity is pretty honest overall except when Nyx is pulling his strings (see: Marionette Control). I have nothing to say about Satan; I don't really know him, nei' did I talk to him. Same with Koide. He seems nice enough. Styx had issues with me from the start, but towards the general public, he's OK. The big thing about the staff is that they'll spam a topic with whatever supports Serenity's/Nyx's opinion, rather than considering those of the players who play there. I can understand someone sharing their opinion with someone else on the staff; however, there are better ways to convey your opinion as a member of a "professional" server than to simply state "+1 Yeah I'm with that" without actually adding onto it. If you were a player, then +1ing would be acceptable, but it's more of a troll thing to do when you're on the staff. Out of context, it doesn't sound that harmful, but it really isn't appropriate and doesn't let others perceive you well.

On another note,  the admins are always in @hide with PMs auto-rejected, and the forum topics are either ignored or just brutally bashed, so there's no real option for a decent debate / discussion on a subject.

I'm not saying the way I expressed my Rachel question was necessarily right. It started out fine, and jTynne's response was much appreciated and mature. The whole thing exploded after Nyx's trollish +1 comment and, if you know Nyx/Saki at all, the only vibe you could get from that is cockiness at its greatest. After that came a few community members with some confused views.

Basically, if you don't like hypocricy, or Staff Bandwagons, then this is a to-avoid server.

Eventfulness - 8/10

Lots of events! I can't deny that. Scavenger Hunter, Monster of the Week, Race of the [Day?], and automated + GM events keep everyone entertained. Basically, there's always something to do, from attaining a high ranking in Ides, or just simply gathering items for scavenger.

Economy - ?

I can't comment on the economy; however, I remember seeing things at decent prices in the beginning. Hydra Cards at 3,000,000, that kind of thing. Perfectly fine for a price.

Guild Competition - 6/10

Guilds were developing at the beginning, but there were quite a few of them. I don't know how popular WoE will be in v2 (it wasn't too great in v1 from what I heard - but that was partially the community's fault), but hopefully it'll be better than last time with good incentives that'll outmatch or equal the incentive given to partake in Ides. Battlegrounds is another thing that should expand in v2 as it wasn't really used in v1 (or introduced, for that matter, til the end.)

Class Balance - 9/10

I don't think there are any drastic modifications to classes this time around. I noticed that they implemented TaeKwon changes after they bashed Seekoh for it, and after she left the server. This shouldn't affect balance really; I just found it humorous since the only reason it was contemplated was because of this one player who ended up leaving due to being disrespected. Gravity has its own little issues, like Chemists and Sinxs, but it's controversial. I find it balanced, others no, and that's why it's a nine and not a ten.

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Again, no grudges or anything. The server is great except for some of the main admin's accompaniment. The friendly community I had known turned face and showed a side I had never seen before. It was shocking, really, and although I knew joining the server after my weird dismissal might cause some drama / problems, but I didn't think it'd occur as such. Again, maybe I came across wrong when I voiced my opinion; however, one cannot say that the staff isn't over-touchy on the smallest of things, and that they don't over-react. They're also really passive-aggressive, and I think that's what Nyx/Saki doesn't realize about her posts in particular. If you like events, parties, MVPing, and some random team vs. team action, then uRO might be good for you, as long as you keep your trap shut on everything, don't associate with the staff, and basically, in regards to social harrassment, "take it up the bum" - voicing your opinion is suicide, you see? - while you're in-game. Even if harrassment isn't tolerated, blatant disrespect is everywhere, and uRO isn't immune, even at its core.

That is all.

Replies? Keep it clean. I don't want this moved to Soap Opera or w/e.

[jTynne]

For your giving your honest, unbiased opinion over the server, I applaud you, Yusifer. Again, having to make the decision to dismiss you from staff was a difficult one, however, (and anyone who's worked with me before will unfortunately know this to be true) I'll do whatever it takes to ensure the majority of the team is able to work cohesively together. Your contributions were truly one of a kind, and although I have chosen not to use them, I do hope that someday they go to good use somewhere. When that day comes, I look forward to experiencing your storyline content, as it is of a calibur even above Gravity's quest writers in my opinion.

In regard to your distaste for Nyx, I must shake my head in disappointment that you would draw names out specifically on RMS, however, I understand your frustrations. Nyx is extremely protective of me and my projects, and over the years has done nothing to me but be extremely helpful and be there when no one else has been there. She has gone above and beyond for me, even babysitting the server for six months while I was too busy to do so myself due to school, completely voluntary (not even receiving donation credits or real life currency to do so), and throughout all that time, stayed true to the rules I set forth for the staff and not once turned rogue or went corrupt. I truly wish that everyone could see the side of her that I personally know, as she is a ridiculously amazing woman behind the pixels. It is to my understanding that there are many Filipino players who seem to have issues with her as well, but for false accusations and assumptions (accusing her of cheating on v1, and upon my pouring over all the logs for hours, and finding absolutely nothing to support their claims; as well as players going so far as to falsely accuse her of doing this that or the other-- e.g. muting people during Ides/WoE, yet no record of such commands being used, with no way for her to alter logs as I'm the only one with access to them-- those sorts of things x_x;). Even on Facebook, the Filipino players who had added my personal FB account prior to my separating "IRL" and "Online" personas, posted screenshots with extremely exaggerated content. I don't understand how or why they hate her as much as they do, but, they're entitled to their own opinions. Despite months of my trying to mediate whatever issues they had with her, they perpetuated rumors within their playing group (all of them knowing each other offline), and kept the charade going despite being given any and all evidence I could to them.  I know she can be extremely blunt and brutally honest, but we're all big kids (well, all except Klent who's turning 10 this year I believe?), so it should come as no surprise that she'd address things as she saw fit directed towards fellow adults.. Perhaps I'm just not seeing what certain individuals are seeing within her, but even when I've tested how friendly she was by making secret characters and interacting with her on v1, she was nothing but nice to those personas as well... I don't even. :-/ I accept that you have a problem with her, and that she's rubbed you the wrong way in a number of manners, and for that, I apologize if I had anything to do with it even if remotely.

I will, however, be discussing this with her, as well as the ongoing assaults she receives from the Filipino players (the majority of which I had to ban from the server for exploiting things ~_~;), and voice my personal concerns regarding the tone she uses with the community via the message board. I'm also guilty of being extremely direct to the point of coming off as potentially being rude as well, but as we both know, not many people speak up to me in such instances. =/ It's not like I'm scary, but, I suppose most people have had poor experiences with server owners going HAM on people for being honest rather than blowing smoke up their asses. I know I have..

Community.. blegh. That's a touchy one for me to address. For whatever reason, players DO tend to mob against people who have been marked problematic for whatever reason. Even I don't get it. You weren't a rule breaker, nor did you spam tickets or @main for ridiculous requests during your time on v2 (or even on v1). Perhaps a player started rumors about you since you were on staff throughout beta, but I've looked through all the chat logs and the only mentions of "Yusifer" or your IRL name, have had nice things said about you, so it must not be going on in-game (heck, or even on the forum as I've searched PM's for your name to try to see if someone was besmirching you as well there, to no avail). I've actually been banning quite a few people left and right as of late for their behavior towards others. I've not been able to stay in-game or coding for extended periods of time due to my arm (which has now transferred to my wrist -_-; ugh), so I've had to find out about random fights that've broken out between new players over @main when reviewing logs at the end of the day or from staff members, whereas I'd usually be right there to break things up. I'm not "disappointed" in the community, as there are far more nice people than there are trolls/buttheads this time around, but I am discontent that there've been quite a few people who have snuck under my bullshit detector who I thought were genuinely good people, who have turned out to be complete dickwads to others behind my back. They're getting banned one by one (or, three at a time as was the case early yesterday morning.. x_x;), though, and I'm trying my best to return the "community" feel back to the community, as it was in v1. Takes time, though.

As for Seekoh.. ugh. I'll be open and frank about her/him; I was relieved when I heard that they'd left the server. They reminded me of a Floridian-based Paul "Marinia"/"uncelebrated", what with reporting someone for having WPE on their desktop despite the server being equipped with Harmony, suggesting that I, despite having operated servers for the past five and a half years, as well as training under one of the core developers of Open Kore (who, consequently also taught me the ins and outs of WPE and its advantages in RO), didn't know of its potential uses within the game, as well as just having an odd tone in said report.. just something about them rubbed me the wrong way. It happens, though, and life goes on. As a staff member, I'm obligated to being impartial, and I did that to the absolute best of my ability when dealing with her/him, but as "Justin", I simply couldn't stand said individual. I can't really justify my reasoning other than, "I just did." Her complaints regarding the difficulty of leveling a Taekwon, despite the fact that a) I never altered the Taekwon leveling tables (they have the same experience requirements as traditional RO), and b) I did NO changes to any of their skills/stats/mechanics whatsoever, completely baffled me. There are over 10 active high level Taekwon Rankers on the server, and there's even competition for the top spots on the server for the leaderboard of TKRs, and I've received absolutely no complaints from any of them about leveling. When she stated that she was having trouble at Soldier Skeletons at level 30~ish, I created a TK to test, and had no issues there even with NPC items and using Novice Potions from the training grounds... =/ Until around 70, the leveling doesn't really slow down or change much from Traditional RO, even with the altered leveling system, as many of the monsters are within the same ranges (some giving 125% EXP due to being within ten levels of the player), so.. her/his complaints baffled me completely. Many of the current Taekwons have given me complaints for adding in custom weapons for the class, as well as adding in extended equipment for the class, claiming it takes away from the difficulty/intended feel of the class, but taking your, Seekoh's, and my own thoughts into consideration, I found it alright to do, especially considering I gave Gunslingers new bullet types well over a year ago. But, as you know, different strokes for different folks. *shrug*

Continuing with Taekwon's additions, do recall during your time on staff (though perhaps you didn't see many of the hardcore debates that took place during beta involving cursing/fighting) that everyone on staff does have differing opinions. I do tend to ask specifically for opinions of two to three individuals on staff, however, before polling community leaders on ideas, as, as you've stated, people tend to agree rather than constructively debate when they have a differing opinion. I'll never understand it myself why some people are afraid to give me their true opinions on staff (though I must applaud v2's staff on not pussyfooting around certain things than the v1 staff overall) or within the community. So long as it's done in a respectful manner, I don't take offense and am more than happy to hear/discuss an alternative opinion than my own. I do so wish you could have been a part of the core debates that took place shortly after v1 was closed to discuss the changes to be implemented in v2. Returning for a moment to the TK weapon additions, there are heavily differing opinions of them within the staff at the moment-- specifically myself and RiverStyx going back and forth about them since their implementation -- (I wrote this paragraph halfway through the previous one, so I apologize that it basically recycles back over itself), but eh.

Again returning to your encounter with fellow staff members during your time on staff, I will say two things, and hopefully neither hurt anyone's feelings:

Firstly, you took initiative, and I for one appreciate that out of anyone on staff. Good help IS hard to find, and finding people who not only have a vision, but who are willing to go above and beyond for something they believe in, without having someone stand over them with orders, are even harder to come by. Unfortunately, in your eagerness to deliver great content (which, not denying for a second that you didn't), you did go outside of certain boundaries (e.g. being asked to make five quests per tribe and then making more than that, etc), which got under many people's skin. To be absolutely fair, however, even I was taken aback (in a 50/50 sort of way) at the amount of content you submitted in such a short period of time upon multiple people on staff stating "Yusifer said something along the lines of 'what's taking Justin so long'; it wasn't in a disrespectful manner, but eh". I poured over the Skype logs and couldn't find trace of it, but did so as fast as I possibly could (my arm's state was extremely bad at the time, and was already pressed for time with the release content). I gave everyone the benefit of the doubt about it; on one hand I can't fathom you saying such a thing, on the other, many of the people on staff are people who've worked with me for years prior who have nothing to gain from starting rumors about someone else on staff who was, in my eyes, an asset.

Secondly, I insist all fingers be pointed at myself for the staff members who voiced their concerns regarding your being on staff to me directly, for their not being direct with you. Contrary to popular belief, I don't enjoy drama. I'll fire someone for something as trivial as calling a player a whore publicly (e.g. Mamimi on SerenityRO v4), or getting into an argument with a fellow staff member out in the open. I deplore fighting among those in my inner circle, and insist that people be silent about their personal dislike for someone than cause a fight in my conferences. Perhaps if I had permitted everyone to simply be direct, things wouldn't have transgressed as they did, however, what's done is done. Consequently, there's been no fighting or strife among staff members since your removal from the team that I've been informed of or witnessed. Perhaps it was simply a case of strong personalities clashing, or someone sipping the haterade, but all I do know is that the fighting and bickering to me has ceased, allowing me time to focus on more pertinent things within the server.


/end novel

I will again thank you for your contributions and your unbiased take on your experience at UtopiaRO. I apologize for your poor experience in multiple facets of your experience, and hope that others do not share the same misfortunes as yourself.

[Yusifer]

It started out fine, and jTynne's response was much appreciated and mature.

Which is why I like when you post, because even when you're direct, you don't sound like a jerkwad. Thanks.

Seekoh

Seekoh was specifically having issues with EXP. It felt as though she wasn't getting the right amount on her character while she was there. I personally had no issues with it, but she seemed certain that her EXP gain was wonky.

In regards to this:

(e.g. being asked to make five quests per tribe and then making more than that, etc)

No one mentioned this. The forum said 10+ quests, ten being the minimum, and I tried to give what I could since no one seemed to be taking the initiative on the quest part. Perhaps they were too busy, since everyone had a role to play for the most part. I don't want to use names, but pre-launch Satan didn't really do anything (that I could see in the Skype/forum anyway) until something was said about people perhaps being fired for not doing anything. That's when he lept in and gave very short quests. Styx and Koide were bent on scripting, as were you, and Saki was making some very prettiful sprites. The only time someone mentioned a limit was about two days before I was fired, when Saki asked me to cut the Orc Quests short. I complied, and shortened the quest - which is why it only had seven, and not ten like the faerie one.

As I said on the forum, I don't mind if you use them. They are of no use to me.

"Yusifer said something along the lines of 'what's taking Justin so long';

This never occured, as you know since you couldn't find it in the conversation anywhere. I never talked to anyone personally except Koide at the very-very beginning when I first started making quests and he tried scripting them.

This brings me to mention the first thing we talked about in a personal convo' when I voiced my concern about Styx being discontent with my present right-off-the-bat. I asked you if my being there was bothersome, and you gave a reason as to why Styx would be that way - a reason that really had nothing to do with me personally overall, but it was obvious that he didn't like me to begin with. Is that not a motive in its own? and is it not evidence that it could have been bad faith and a false accusation, since we had that conversation the very first day I was put into the "real" staff collaborative group? He described my being there as not being "my place" because he felt I wasn't really a "staff member" to begin with. It's obvious he initially didn't approve me there, and therefore didn't want me there. It rots of motive. Saki never directly expressed it, but she didn't seem too welcoming either, even when I tried to talk to her. Maybe it's her nature. I don't know, because we never really had the chance to talk. I have nothing to say about her in this regard because I simply do not know, and have no basis.

Maybe I just called you cupcake too many times? or maybe my friendliness is just unwanted and sickening.

Dunno.

Community

In regards to the recent forum outbreak, I asked the person "who [ I ] gave [my] quests to" (see: junk'd topic on uRO for player name, "S") if she knew that person. She did not and had no idea who it could have been, since she hasn't talked to anyone about the quests themselves. Nor did I say anything bad about uRO when I did offer her the quests. Meanwhile, the other person who replied to that topic also had no basis: I barely knew the person who agreed with me at the time, and neither of us knew that Rachel was temp-closed in v1. I don't know what's all going on, but they're part of the "pack" that's said things, and someone (see: staff) must have splurged because my dismissal wasn't obvious until the Rachel topic. Being removed as a Forum Admin doesn't mean anything either - how would they have known about the quests not being used to begin with? The blog didn't even say they weren't going to be used, so someone (see: staff) must have told someone, who told another person, etc. until somehow it deformed into "Yusifer's s*** bricks because the quests aren't being used."

No idea.

In any case, I'm probably the most honest, non-two face'd individual you'll find, and I can be blunt as well. I don't try to look aggressive - or even, passive aggressive - and do my best to communicate in a mature, objectional, and reasonable fashion. Hopefully I've achieved that here today.


On another note,

I'd voice an experience of another friend who was recently playing uRO, but he's still trying to appeal his awkward ban. He doesn't speak English too well and wasn't welcomed really in the Feedback part of the forum. Instead, he used #main while you were on (since you don't accept PMs). I've seen your screenshots you took for the log, and I personally don't see any disrespect in there. I see "ridiculous" being used and an opinion being expressed, that's all. Perhaps you were stressed that day and overlooked his "tone" (which can't really be seen on the Internet anyway, but whatever.) He wasn't trying to cause "trouble"; he just wanted to be heard because he was ignored on the forum, and couldn't PM you directly about his concerns / questions. As fa as he knew, "ridiculous" wasn't an impolite thing to say in the context it was used in. His guild leader was banned for teasing the situation, too, with a "docile sheep" comment - his only comment in the whole conversation, from what I saw - and was only meant to be joshing around.

tl;dr: it seemed extreme, compared to what you normally ban two weeks for. He's made his appeal, but like I said, he's of German heritage and he might come off rude when, really, he's not trying to be - he's just trying to understand since he's not used to having to wait three days for a timer to reset. The servers he's experienced in the past four years didn't have this, and all he was trying to say is that it was counter-productive for competitive gameplay.

Just like how some people mistake Saki's tone, when she's not *trying* to be impolite. Only difference is that ^ suffers a language barrier when Saki doesn't. Still the same kind of *misunderstanding* though.

[jTynne]

Chat Log 8/23/2011

[8/23/2011 9:17:57 PM] Saki Will Bite You: also you can stop at quest #6 unless theres still some loose ends you need to tie to end the storyline, was going for 5 fairy and 5 orc but you seem to far exceed expectations, not that its bad or anything just requires a bit more work than originally planned/and not enough time to do it all at once :3
[8/23/2011 9:18:18 PM] Saki Will Bite You: which is why the factions discussion we were all talking about is being held off until october
[8/23/2011 9:18:52 PM] Yusifer: ah xD well I can stop at #7, to tie ends down, but at #6 it kinda drops like a cliff
[8/23/2011 9:18:55 PM] Yusifer: will package it up

Letter from Nyx

To irene-de-montreal@live.ca, yusifer@utopiaro.com
I would like you to know that even though you've contributed greatly creating various quests, you created them based on what was built by the staff. They all worked together to come up with the ideas of Fairies and Orcs/Factions etc, an idea mostly pitched by Styx. To boast that you have created so many quests and that the ideas of other staff memembers are less or not important/significant is very rude and will not be tolerated.

It is not imperative for you to announce when you've completed a quest in the channel every 5 minutes, nor is it dire that you inform the world every second of your abilities. Staff is valued for their worth based on what they supply, which speaks for itself, not what they brag about.  You were given the task to create 5 fairy quests and 5 orc quests, to which you did not adhere to, you supplied more. Fine.  Anyone who is willing to contribute will be given random assignments out of their job areas. However, please remember that your true job is forum moderation, not GM, not scripter, not ruler and decider of content, not insist on receiving more power and shafting your fellow staff members. This is a team effort project, not a one person show. After your last orc story, your assistance in quest/story making is no longer requested. This is not to be taken offensively.  We were in need of story quests before a certain deadline because a staff member was let go. Now that we are caught up and have things straightened out, we can hand out the remaining assignments to the appropriate GMs.

If you wish to become a GM or Scripter, you may submit another application and must meet the qualifications provided. If you do not meet the qualifications, simply remain with us and learn more, proving that one day you can be.

Sincerely yours,
Nyx

Another few snippets of chat,

[8/21/2011 10:33:41 AM] Justin Tynne: Just wasn't expecting to have to do so much coding this late into everything. Time better spent on fixing mobs x_x;
[8/21/2011 10:34:14 AM] Irène: :[ I didn't want the quests to be pansy though, what kind of storyline epic shiz would that be
[8/21/2011 10:34:15 AM] Justin Tynne: Faction stuff is awesome, but definitely threw a huge wrench into the schedule I'd set out for myself x_x;

...

[8/17/2011 7:35:52 PM] Irène: How many quests do we want? If I think right, we need 10+ for each faction..?
[8/17/2011 7:39:26 PM] Saki Will Bite You: 5 daily for each faction
1 main quest for each faction = 5-10 chained quest
5 headgear quests for each faction (quests gradually incrase as the server grows older etc)
and any misc quests that give background stories to npcs or w/e floats your boat

More specifically,

Needed: 10+ custom quests created for headgear creation, and filler content in/around the Eden area.

Headgear quests; Not storyline.

I'm guessing there was simply some sort of misunderstanding/miscommunication, for which I can only take the blame for in regard to the quest amounts. "10+" was in reference to headgear quests in town overall, however, I do recall on numerous occasions there being discussion of "how many quests per faction", which I stated five as the limit, however, I can't recall whether or not you were part of the staff conference at that time yet or not (I know you were in the "Inner Circle" chat before anything else, but I didn't discuss content that openly with that lot of people as I did with actual staff members). As seen above, however, there were multiple efforts to communicate from Nyx directly. Even I lashed out a bit at the entire staff when the bickering started up:

[8/25/2011 2:41:37 AM] Justin Tynne: While my net was down, I realized I hadn't finished my thought on that bonus assignment; The purpose of it is simply this: Everyone has specific roles. EM's aren't responsible for providing player support. Wiki admins are responsible for the wiki. GM's aren't responsible for holding events (without an EM's request or a direct order from a superior). Et cetera. The only staff roles that are responsible for multiple areas, are CM's and myself. Stick specifically to the tasks given. I allocated roles based on what I personally feel your best area of contribution(s) is/are. I want you on those, and those tasks only. Nothing more, nothing less. That said, the bonus assignment is for those who script, no one else.
[8/25/2011 2:46:23 AM] Justin Tynne: Anything more, or someone coming to me stating, "So and so is stepping on my toes", is the equivalence of me having to get involved in a player dispute; At the end of the day, that's a waste of my time that I could be spending working on something else, more pertenent to the project itself. I do not and will not entertain such occurrences. If I assign a task, it's to be done to my specification unless I state otherwise. Likewise if a superior requests something, it is to be done to their specification(s). Anything extra, having to do additional revisions or make adjustments, are a waste of time, damaging of egos, and causes general distress. If this is all coming off as harsh, so be it, however, this is how I operate (hello to the newbies!). We're all pieces to the machine that is the staff. Perform your action without improvisation for the greater good of ensuring the server quality remains at a high bar.
[8/25/2011 2:47:51 AM] Justin Tynne: THAT all said, scripters, I expect your assignments to be in Nyx's inbox at your earliest convenience. If you do not have a copy of eAthena on your PC, I expect you to have it compiled and have used it to debug your own script. Her assignment should take no longer than 10-20 minutes, if that, tops, and there's no excuse for there to be a single error.
[8/25/2011 2:48:26 AM] Irène: Hey justin :O is the orc storyline okidoki? minus the #7 not having its dialogue yet (will do tomorrow)
[8/25/2011 2:50:36 AM] Justin Tynne: Whatever Nyx's specifications are/were, that's up to her as she's overseeing that operation. My function is to code it and provide whatever extra content it calls for. So she's the one who has the final say on it. =)
[8/25/2011 2:50:46 AM] Irène: okidokis :]

And the "comment that started it all" as seen at: http://utopiaro.com/blog/?p=31#comments

Yusifer says:
August 26, 2011 at 2:02 am
There are many, many quests already on my part ^^ the main principles of the server’s story scenario was mine, with factions being moulded into it afterwards. Each faction will have unique quests and rewards. As for these quests, some are only available at certain times of days, some require partying, defeating monsters in a row, spying, missions… To complete quests in one faction, you may need items exclusive to quest rewards of the other faction.

Of course, this is all if scripting and everything goes 100% according to plan. The difficulty level will definitely make you feel like you’ve achieved something when you reach the end of the numerous, numerous quests entwined in the storyline.

^THAT is what started everything.

Nyx's specification was five storyline quests per side, but more were made for whatever reason. They were great, but did go against requests and it appeared that you began to take things into your own hands as far as the quests were concerned (hopefully that doesn't sound unappreciative, because I am still grateful that you took initiative to do something more than sit on your hands and knees waiting to be told what to do). Because of your eagerness to get things accomplished, you did usurp Freyja's role of quest writer for the server; and no offense to Freyja, but your ideas were superior to her own, thus why I openly stated that we'd be going with your storyline (especially since Freyja's presence was sporadic at best) instead.

So, point being of the above, yes you were told limitations, but clearly some bit of information got lost along the wayside.

Regarding "S" player in the ":<" topic, they were dealt with the moment I saw the post. An extremely lengthy in-game screaming match took place in jail between she and I, and multiple threats of banishment. I specifically asked them what they were referencing (as I'd not seen the post here on RMS yet), and they stated that they'd played on whoever it was you offered the quests to's server. Whether they did or not isn't of my concern. They were sentenced to a hefty mute (12 hours) and jailtime, in addition to not being able to post on the forum, for their attacks. As far as I can tell, they have no relation to any staff member past or present, as there's no trace of them PM'ing any member of staff in-game or on the forum. And in regard to people knowing that your quest submissions were not being used, I stated multiple times to players who asked over @main, through forum PM, and through in-game whisper, that, "No, the quests that Yusifer wrote will not be available on the server. I will not discuss this matter further, thank you." so it doesn't come as any surprise that said individual used that against you for whatever reason. And to base the actions of less than 1/15th of the daily active community (I've only witnessed/read in the logs a total of eight individuals who wrote / spoke rudely of you/to you) as an accurate representation for the community overall doesn't at all seem warranted. That's like coming in to teach a class of 30 first graders and having three students act out and punishing the entire class with detention for the actions of a small portion of the group. I don't at all find that justified; sorry.

Finally, if you wish to point fingers at anyone for being fired, point them at me. It was I who stood up and said that if your presence on staff was causing such distress, then I wouldn't have you as part of staff, nor would your content be used. There was no vote. There was no further bickering on the matter. It was done, and I wiped my hands clean and proceeded with development as per scheduled as my arm/wrist allowed. Whatever assumptions you have regarding Nyx, RiverStyx, or any other member of staff requesting your dismissal from staff are, I do so hope this puts them to rest. As stated previously, if someone's causing the majority of people stress, be it intentional or not, I will do as I see fit to resolve the situation. Post dismissal, there has been no fighting (with the exception of content ideas, but nothing out of the ordinary) or bickering amongst staff members. Everyone works on their assigned roles, solo or otherwise, allowing me the opportunity to focus on more pressing material.

As for the temp banned German mentioned in your previous response, I allowed him the opportunity to appeal his temp ban by contacting Nyx. His message to her was just as rude, thus he was denied. She personally wanted to lessen his temporary ban until she received the same tone from him as myself. As for the other fellow, just as guilty. Sorry. Unless someone's paying my rent or giving me reach-arounds in the shower, I don't take their shit. Considering neither of them do either (nor anyone for that matter-- forever alone qq), they got slammed with the rules. There's a disclaimer ON THE LOGIN SCREEN that by signing in players agree to abide by all rules of player conduct and that the login screen is the first and only warning. Language barrier or not, I gave him ample opportunity to voice his concerns via the appropriate mediums: Tickets or Feedback Forum. Neither was used. If he wished to speak to me directly, it states in the support ticket center where I can be reached directly (e-mail). I'll not feel guilty for a player's inability to follow concise directions, nor do I sympathize with those who blatantly disregard server policies. Period. Two weeks is not the end of the world considering they were already farming high-end MVPs and both actively abused the MH leveling exploit that was present for the first week and a half. Considering all this, they are fortunate I stopped at two weeks and not a permanent banishment a week ago.

I've invested two hours total into writing these two responses, and with maintenance Sunday morning and classes resuming next week, I doubt I'll invest much further here as I have other things I have to get done. I felt that you did at least deserve a proper response, rather than the typical "swoop in and post a 4 chan image for the lulz".

Thank you again for all that you worked on at uRO, as well as for being one of the founding staff members. It's a shame things turned out the way they did, but I suppose not all things in life can or will be the way we'd hope for.

[Yusifer]

Yeah, that was the first mention of 5:5 that I had gotten from the staff. As far as I knew, we were looking at 10+, and since there weren't any headgear quests really posted (except for the v1 copies), I didn't really see the difference between the two.

I was already almost done #6 before Nyx even mentioned anything to me - in which I said I'd have to end it at #7 because otherwise, it'd be a super-long #6 quest and end up being the same thing anyway. It would have literally just "dropped off" and not made any sense, a baffling ending, compared to the well-done ending of the faerie side. It would have been extremely awkward and out-of-place to end it at #6 and compared to the faerie side, too short and dull. I compromised and honestly told her that I'd tie it down - whereas, I could have gone an extra 1,000 miles and done ten anyway.

As for that e-mail, unless that was just sent, this is the first time I've seen it.

You can't deny that the general idea of war between faeries and humans, etc. wasn't mine, and that Styx did in fact pitch the factions thing. The only thing that was changed based on feedback was turning humans into orcs (the method of which was my idea / a hommage to Lord of the Rings Elfs->Orcs) and incorporating three factions instead of two + the peacemakers. Prior to my post about the entire idea, no one mentioned anything relative to this whatsoever; you guys all wanted to do Gods and Goddesses or something like that. Absolutely nothing regarding faeries pitting themselves against humans or some other legion.

I actually asked for a .html of that post as well, but it was omitted.

Meanwhile, the only reason I "announced" it in Skype was because 1) I wanted to show I was actually doing something, and 2) I wanted you guys to SEE IT so that I COULD get some sort of feedback other than what I got from Styx before I even started writing anything.

Again, that was the first time the 5:5 was mentioned to me - so maybe she mentioned it before I was added to the group, I don't know, but it didn't get by me and it's poor to have jumped to conclusion like that. I wasn't taking anyone's "job" - no one was contributing to storyline-like quests, so I took it. I could do that. I can't script or design for crap, but I can write, so why not? It's obvious that content like that wouldn't be available at launch - which it wasn't - if I hadn't taken part in it because you guys were too busy doing your own things. If you yourself wasn't busy multi-tasking all over the place, Styx was off doing something else, Satan was... I don't know where, but that's not important, and Nyx was making sprites and the likes. Buns was making events, everyone had their job and no one was really focusing on the storyline part. If I had the initiative to do it, and to ask you guys after EVERY quest that I completed for consideration / approval / collaboration, then where's the harm? It's not my fault if the online staff at the time had nothing to add to it, and apparently seemed content the way it was thus didn't want to "improve" it in any way. Perhaps there would have been more teamwork if they actually were motivated to help me modify and edit to their guise.


Food for thought.

This was merely a way of expressing to the community what exactly would be there. That < link is not just truth, it's a way of showing others that I'm actually doing something "for real" and to better explain the quests involved, since the blog posts were incredibly brief. If it was taken as "SHE TAKE ALL DA CREDIT", then sorry, I did imply that I'm not scripting it and I did imply that factions weren't my idea - just the "main" part of the storyline and the dialogue itself. If you guys can take pride and joy in the sprites and designs you make, then I don't see why I can't comment on how the whole faeries vs. humans - later changed to orcs, on Styx's part - was, at the base, my idea.

As for the German, the only thing I can say is that two weeks for asking questions in #main is harsh, when no disrespect was blatantly done / intended, in any case. Whatever was misunderstood was misunderstood, and I get that, but according to the screenshots you were certain he'd be perma-banned for his activity in #main - really? - and Nyx would have already banned him before you administered a two weeks. All I can say is, he didn't call anyone names based on your screenies. He was just asking a question - not demanding anything - and he got banned for it. Easier Reference - #044 states he'll probably be perma-banned for whatever it was that he did there.

I don't really care overall. I just found it appalling since usually you ban that long if someone's actually thrown a pure, evil insult into #main. As well, he won't be waiting two weeks to become unbanned so that's -1. I know you'll see this as a community improvement, so no need to comment on that.

Random Note: I wouldn't play a uRO again, nor would I apply for staff, after being tossed aside and falsely accused of not wanting to collaborate (when I made every effort to get others involved in what I was doing)

Thanks for your time. If you want to reply, do so at your convenience; however, I think I understand your point thoroughly enough to not warrant it.

[Just Desserts]

Yeah, that was the first mention of 5:5 that I had gotten from the staff. As far as I knew, we were looking at 10+, and since there weren't any headgear quests really posted (except for the v1 copies), I didn't really see the difference between the two.

[8/17/2011 7:35:52 PM] Irène: How many quests do we want? If I think right, we need 10+ for each faction..?
[8/17/2011 7:39:26 PM] Saki Will Bite You: 5 daily for each faction
1 main quest for each faction = 5-10 chained quest
5 headgear quests for each faction (quests gradually increase as the server grows older etc)

You did not make any daily quests. You made 10 headgear story line quests. That is not what I asked for clearly. 1 main quest, with 5 mini quests inside. Does that mean 5-10 separate giant quests? No it does not. But despite that, that's fine, I even told you it was no biggy just to wrap it up later on.  HOWEVER, that was nothing compared to how you bilittled the entire staff which was key in your release from staff.

Yusifer says:
August 26, 2011 at 2:02 am
There are many, many quests already on my part ^^ the main principles of the server’s story scenario was mine, with factions being moulded into it afterwards. Each faction will have unique quests and rewards. As for these quests, some are only available at certain times of days, some require partying, defeating monsters in a row, spying, missions… To complete quests in one faction, you may need items exclusive to quest rewards of the other faction.

Of course, this is all if scripting and everything goes 100% according to plan. The difficulty level will definitely make you feel like you’ve achieved something when you reach the end of the numerous, numerous quests entwined in the storyline.

"the main principles of the server’s story scenario was mine, with factions being moulded into it afterwards."
 False, the main principles were created by the staff after the idea was pitched by Styx. Also factions were mentioned way before fairies.

"Each faction will have unique quests and rewards. As for these quests, some are only available at certain times of days, some require partying, defeating monsters in a row, spying, missions… "
You took it into your own hands, you were given the task to create a STORY, not what items it gives/takes/tasks that need to be done etc. This was the GMs jobs not yours.

"Of course, this is all if scripting and everything goes 100% according to plan."
This is rude to the entire staff. You're basically saying "if they can keep up with me because i'm clearly more proficient at this" and if it was not your intention that's how the other staff members saw it as and why it was brought to Justin's and my attention. Justin and I did not have any bad feelings towards you however the entire staff was offended, hence why you received an email, that you state you never saw.


"Saki never directly expressed it, but she didn't seem too welcoming either, even when I tried to talk to her. Maybe it's her nature. I don't know, because we never really had the chance to talk. I have nothing to say about her in this regard because I simply do not know, and have no basis."

On that note, you're very two faced I'm sorry to say. You lied about you and I not getting along nor talking.  We always spoke and in no way was there bad tension. Just to prove it to you, in case you forgot.

[8/19/2011 9:08:52 PM] Saki Will Bite You: watching bride wars is making me do work Q.Q
[8/19/2011 9:08:57 PM] Saki Will Bite You: lol haha yay for chick flicks
[8/19/2011 9:09:32 PM] Saki Will Bite You: i'ma go sleeps now :3 nite nite, yay on the story and scripting <3
[8/19/2011 9:09:38 PM] Saki Will Bite You: good job @ irene
[8/19/2011 9:10:11 PM] Irène: aww night night Saki
[8/19/2011 9:10:19 PM] Irène: can't wait for more sprites xD they're cute
[8/19/2011 9:10:24 PM] Saki Will Bite You:
[8/19/2011 9:10:34 PM] Saki Will Bite You: why aw?
[8/19/2011 9:10:45 PM] Irène: didn't really see you today
[8/19/2011 9:10:47 PM] Irène: or yesterday XD
[8/19/2011 9:10:50 PM] Saki Will Bite You: ahh yea i've been busy
[8/19/2011 9:10:56 PM] Saki Will Bite You: my RL have been very busy lately
[8/19/2011 9:10:59 PM] Irène: yup :O that's fine
[8/19/2011 9:11:04 PM] Saki Will Bite You: mostly cuz my cousins getting married xP
[8/19/2011 9:11:12 PM] Irène: oh cool
[8/19/2011 9:11:21 PM] Saki Will Bite You: has been*
[8/19/2011 9:11:24 PM] Saki Will Bite You: wow fail grammar
[8/19/2011 9:11:25 PM] Saki Will Bite You: lol
[8/19/2011 9:11:28 PM] Irène: x3
[8/19/2011 9:11:32 PM] Irène: well, have a good sleeptime

[8/20/2011 7:05:08 PM] Irène: ^^
[8/20/2011 7:05:12 PM] Irène: we have faith in you Saki >:O
[8/20/2011 7:06:01 PM] Irène: (Link) Finished the dialogue :O
[8/20/2011 7:06:19 PM] Saki Will Bite You: nicE

[8/20/2011 7:44:09 PM] Saki Will Bite You: sorry thought i threw them in here x3
[8/20/2011 7:44:20 PM] Irène: xD
[8/20/2011 7:44:22 PM] Irène: aww so cute
[8/20/2011 7:44:24 PM] Irène: <3
[8/20/2011 7:44:54 PM] Irène: it's really cute, I lik'em

[8/21/2011 5:46:33 PM] Saki Will Bite You: k now its in the unfinished section
[8/21/2011 5:46:36 PM] Saki Will Bite You: just to keep track
[8/21/2011 5:46:43 PM] Irène: oki thanks
[8/21/2011 5:46:49 PM] Saki Will Bite You: np
[8/21/2011 5:52:29 PM] Saki Will Bite You: thanks for the loads of help with the story btw @ irene~ really good job
[8/21/2011 5:52:44 PM] Irène: no problem :O it's lots of fun
[8/21/2011 5:52:58 PM] Irène: just too bad I can't write and code myself XD that'd have been really awesome

There's more but do I really have to? Clearly you just seem bent on making me to look like the bad guy but I'm not sure why. As for those who get punished, they're welcome to appeal but clearly some people just aren't mature enough to apologize or correct someone in a polite way. You are capable of this but I fear your friends do not seem to share the same logic.

Hope that clears it up for you so there's no loose ends or misunderstandings.

[Yusifer]

"the main principles of the server’s story scenario was mine, with factions being moulded into it afterwards."
 False, the main principles were created by the staff after the idea was pitched by Styx. Also factions were mentioned way before fairies.

This is a lie. Right after Freyja pitched the God/Goddess thing, I rebutted by introducing the faeries vs. humans scenario, which was modified to faeries vs. orcs + factions by Styx. The rest of it, including the in-depth storyline from dialogue, was from me. If you guys actually wanted to contribute more to it, you would've said something in Skype. For the most part, you didn't.

Again, I'd still like a copy of the actual storyline quest post that jTynne omitted. I asked for that both by replying to the e-mail he sent me and in PM on the forum to no avail.

"Of course, this is all if scripting and everything goes 100% according to plan."

This is saying: Hey, I know they're busy, so I don't expect it to be 100% done when the server launches. Who could? There's just so much stuff written and not enough time. Plus there could be modifications from group collaboration (which barely took place after I started writing quests, minus Styx who pitched ideas prior to it, but it's still possible) and that could slow down the process too. No promises.

^ Translation

As for this:

[8/17/2011 7:35:52 PM] Irène: How many quests do we want? If I think right, we need 10+ for each faction..?
[8/17/2011 7:39:26 PM] Saki Will Bite You: 5 daily for each faction
1 main quest for each faction = 5-10 chained quest
5 headgear quests for each faction (quests gradually increase as the server grows older etc)

So what's a chained quest? Do say. You're still further showing you wanted 10 total storyline quests, with five headgear. There were two or three headgears given during the storyline I had written, with branch-offs for Orc Headdress and Red Minstrel Hat at the moment of dismissal. I was preparing more branch-off headgear quests that still revolved around the story when I finished the Orc main storyline. All I see here is "Yes, we wanted 10 quests for each faction, and hats" in which, most of that was completed.

1 Main Quest = All the storyline with one goal
5-10 Chained Quests = Quest inside the storyline, broken down, with possible branch-off quests
5 Headgear Quests = Five inside the main storyline / in the branch-off, in which this was mostly completed

Still not seeing your point.

As for our conversation, that was one of maybe... two we actually had that wasn't just my random line here or there about something or other. We also chatted about your mother falling down (something like this?) in which I was empathetic. Other than that, it was purely uRO-related and on my end, it was generally tense. I use smilies excessively except in formal text, so those XD and seen there are more in discomfort / whatever than actual acceptance into the group.

We never really "got along" or I didn't feel it that way. I moreso felt that you were putting up with my being there, plain and simple, just waiting for an opportunity to get rid of me.

On another note, you had to get people working on the storyline (which still didn't get very far) by threatening to fire them for inactivity on it. jTynne mentioned here that I was the only one with the initiative to work on it, and I think he felt it unfair (but he might not have expressed this in text - just a vibe I got from his message.) I was already motivated to do the storyline since you guys were busy, and that didn't drive me any more than before because I felt I was in a "safe spot" for having contributed so whole-heartedly to the project - without ever being told that something was wrong until after-the-fact. This is what's unfair and hypocratic here, along with your taking possession of the storyline - really not professional or of good taste.

Noting that adding factions was an in-game thing and never really altered the story, so it doesn't count because it doesn't alter the story - just the in-game scripting to accustom it to players and their interactions. Adding orcs, however, was Styx's idea, and that can be creditted to him. Other than that, I came up with the general story overall, the characters, goals, dialogue, and adventures. Everything except for the addition of orcs, if you want, as well as the faction idea not having come from me first (see: Styx).

Go ahead and copy/paste the whole topic here. I would've, if I had not thought there was some ill reason to get rid of me going along in the background. I'm appreciative of jTynne having given me back the quests, but I figured someone'd try to take credit for everything I initially wrote before developing it further into the actual quests - which is why, right when he sent me the quests, I immediately e-mailed him back asking for the topic itself. Never got it, and now it's being used to taint my argument. If you want to prove that you guys wrote it, why not upload that file, too? Otherwise it's just your word against mine.

I'm not bashing anyone. I'm sharing my experience and how I felt, as a staff member and a player. The staff part seems to have overwhelmed the review, which isn't a bad thing, since perhaps now things can be a little more clear for others in the staff who may have misunderstood my own wording / actions. Since no one told me anything about how the majority was feeling about my "over"-contributions, or that they felt I was gloating in some way, I can't really know how my actions and wording affected you. All I ask is that you be fair and try to comprehend my sentiments and why I feel, to say the least, cheated and/or betrayed by the people who I did my best&most for, thinking I was perhaps becoming part of the group (outside of jTynne who I considered a bud' prior).

Obviously there was a huge misunderstanding in regards to the quest part. There was a misinterpretation of my wall comment, too. All I can see is a huge mess and a group of individuals who, instead of asking me about it or telling me anything, hid it and acted on assumptions and sudden conclusions. I never said anything bad about any of you before now, and even now, the worst I've said is you're hypocrites - which isn't a lie, since saying one thing and doing another is the complete definition of a hypocrite. Saying that my contributions are amazing and then, less than 12h later, firing me is nothing but hypocratic. Apparently I should be blaming jTynne, but I can't, because according to him, he was going off of what you guys suddenly assumed without talking to me (which would have been a mature thing to do.) I can understand his sentiments about trusting his staff since they've been with him so long. I can't find a place to blame him for trusting individuals who smudged the truth - and I don't think he could find a place to mistrust you guys. It's just too bad no one discussed anything prior to the jumping-of-conclusions. Kinda like in grade school, when you're supposed to tell the person who's pulling your hair to stop before you rat him out. That kind of thing. You should try to solve it with the person before going to a person of "higher" rank to solve it, and then that being a "solution" from one side of the story rather than hearing both sides out.

I'm glad the staff lacks conflict now, and that everything's running smoothly. Just don't be blaming the conflict on me, since I didn't start anything or even know about any problems until I was suddenly accused of whatever, and was virtually "fired." You created a conflict and didn't want to resolve it, so you got rid of what was supposedly causing an awkward conflict that shouldn't even have been there to begin with. That's how I see it - maybe you see it differently. All I know is, I didn't intentionally cause anything, and talking to me about it would've been better than hiding it from me. I could've at least changed the way I talk or try to share my work (in an attempt to collaborate) with you.

[jTynne]

http://jtynne.com/fullposts.jpg

I sent them on August 26th =X

So...

[Yusifer]

http://jtynne.com/fullposts.jpg

I sent them on August 26th =X

So...

Edit

I got the quest posts, but there's a different topic. The Storyline Discussion topic. That's what I'm talking about cupcakeh.

I have the dialogue quest parts, but not the overview where we were discussing the God/Goddess thing, then the transition, then Styx's contribution, then... nothing much after that.

I have this - same size, but it doesn't have the discussion thread in it.

[jTynne]

The only e-mail I have in my inbox from you requesting anything is the one posted in the screenshot above. I've already deleted all the old forum posts regarding the discussion of the storyline content since I've written the new storyline and will be releasing the first bits of it in-game after this Sunday's maintenance. =X

This thread wasn't meant to go into soap opera, but if everyone's just going to go back and forth, it needs to go there.

I expect a free month of advertising from the revenue you'll get from this post, yC. Kidding. (Not really.)

[PR-RiverStyx]

Alright well it seems that there are some misunderstandings going on inside your cranium, Yusifer. So allow me to clear things up.

You can't deny that the general idea of war between faeries and humans, etc. wasn't mine, and that Styx did in fact pitch the factions thing. The only thing that was changed based on feedback was turning humans into orcs

I apologize but this statement is incorrect;

I came up with the idea while walking around my beautiful town with a friend who has played multiple MMORPGs including Ragnarok Online, conversing ideas of how to make the game interesting and put it into new light, a story-line was tied into the solution. As there were a few misconceptions about the original story-line provided on the forums at the time.
I let the ideas run in my head for hours, conversing with past team members on other MMORPG projects and the like prior to even saying a word of my idea on Skype. I wanted a solid idea to present with future developments already thought of for the next few updates to come so the rest of the staff can divulge their thoughts on it.
The entire process is as follows, with a few parts omitted.

[8/13/2011 10:26:17 AM] Styx: Rune-Midgard is a fractious and war-stricken world, and standing alone can be deadly. To survive and prosper, players must befriend factions along cultural and ideological lines. Each of these factions holds to a unique philosophy, and they often disagree with one another – violently. Yet, despite the danger, allegiance to a faction never goes unnoticed; those heroes who are willing to risk taking sides can expect handsome rewards.
[8/13/2011 10:28:29 AM] Styx: Basically, Eden is a town w/ fairies, right?
Let's say another town is a town w/ Orcs.
If you do a certain ammount of quests with Eden's Fairies, you can't do the quests that the Orcs have, and vice versa, if you do Orc Quests, you can't do some of the quests with Fairies, you get "Reputation" with each faction, Fairies, Orcs, Humans, whatever we decide we should put in, and when you get more and more "Reputation" with those factions, you can do quests to get better quest-gear, and access to NPCs that sell certain gear.
[8/13/2011 10:29:06 AM] Styx: Faction's 1 and 3 for example, have rewards that mostly cater to Casters, while Factions 2 and 4 have rewards that cater mostly to Melee

[8/13/2011 10:45:02 AM] Styx: Idea: Enabling an optional headgear disguise to show your allegiance to a specific faction, would bring more PvP incentive as well, people would want to fight against other factions probably, so seeing someone w/ one specific headgear disguise labels them as an enemy. maybe adding a pvp point bonus when you kill a member of an oposite faction (in pvp only, not in ides), you get rep towards the pvp part of your faction

[8/13/2011 12:08:42 PM] Styx: Yeah but when you have let's say 4-5 dailies available for you in a town, have those npcs have the "Quest!" thing up till you do it for that day
[8/13/2011 12:08:51 PM] Styx: and at midnight, they get the "Quest!" thing again

[8/13/2011 12:17:21 PM] Styx: Three factions, Humans(Neutral), Fairies, and Orcs.
The class-specific mounts are gained from doing quests with Fairies or Orcs,
You have to pick between Fairies & Orcs (recruiters will be in Eden)
Your mounts go faster as you reach certain points in your Reputation (raised by doing quest chains / daily quests) and has a max cap.
You get headgears(or disguises only) based off what faction you pick. (Itty Bitty wings for Fairies, Horns for Orcs)
Your Wings or Horns get more detailed and cooler looking as you finish more quests / raise your rep more and more, you can talk to an npc to update them.

There's a Satan Morroc type quest reward(4 Types of accessories, you pick based off your type of character) from one of the chain quests, which gives you 1 Accessory, bound to your character, that you can upgrade as you get more and more Reputation, and when you hit MAX reputation, it becomes slotted.
[8/13/2011 12:18:49 PM] Styx: It's showing Nyx and Koide as typing, and erasing.
[8/13/2011 12:19:18 PM] Styx: STOP DOING THAT

[8/13/2011 4:35:48 PM] Styx: [Saturday, August 13, 2011 12:16 PM] Styx:

<<< Three factions, Humans(Neutral), Fairies, and Orcs.
The class-specific mounts are gained from doing quests with Fairies or Orcs,
You have to pick between Fairies & Orcs (recruiters will be in Eden)
Your mounts go faster as you reach certain points in your Reputation (raised by doing quest chains / daily quests) and has a max cap.
You get headgears(or disguises only) based off what faction you pick. (Itty Bitty wings for Fairies, Horns for Orcs)
Your Wings or Horns get more detailed and cooler looking as you finish more quests / raise your rep more and more, you can talk to an npc to update them.

There's a Satan Morroc type quest reward(4 Types of accessories, you pick based off your type of character) from one of the chain quests, which gives you 1 Accessory, bound to your character, that you can upgrade as you get more and mo
[8/13/2011 4:35:54 PM] Styx: Is what I'mma basically send to justin
[8/13/2011 4:35:58 PM] Styx: any adjustments?


[8/14/2011 8:38:00 AM] Styx: But I'm impressed just about the entire staff colab'd on it and put their own ideas / touches into it
[8/14/2011 8:38:51 AM] Styx: I can see faction-specific guilds in the future being some of the biggest guilds lol

As you can see, the final idea was not produced for roughly six hours, prior to even weighing in jTynne / Serenity's ideas. Fights have been omitted but there were many that produced the final idea.
Saying that this staff group simply hops on a bandwagon is an insult to the hours of work we devote to this server. There are multiple different staff chats and even I am not included in some. Simply because you may not have been in the chat does not mean arguments have been made. We do not have public arguments because it can easily be misunderstood for a staff that is falling apart. But we have productive arguments and no one rage-quits because of them.

The part that set me off was your comment on my blog post. I conversed with Nyx and Koide 1 on 1 about the message before bringing it to attention to the Staff channel, I did not want to draw attention to something that does not need attention brought to it.

Edit: Oh my I seemed to have forgotten a reason why I wanted to post here.
I had a distaste for your diction, how you held yourself, which personally seemed to be above everyone else. I see it here just as much as I have seen it previously. You seem to value your opinions more than others and you must have selective alzheimers as specific portions of the past simply do not exist in your reality.


I trust this palaver of a misunderstanding deriving from your cranium is concluded now.

[Yusifer]

I don't save Sent e-mail items :[ but I did send it right after you sent the quest stuff to me. Not sure what happened.

I would've liked to have had that, too, since it clearly shows a good four or five paragraphs of my war idea, and then Styx commenting on how humans should become orcs (which was changed for that.)

Also, unless Nyx sent that first message (meant for me) to you, I never got it in forum PM or e-mail. Not sure if that was a pass-along message or if she sent it directly.

Not the point though.

In regards to Styx's post,

How is it that, without talking beforehand, we came up with exactly same idea, and it's just so convenient that you have your modifiable copy of it whilst I have nothing?

Also, before I came, you guys wanted to do God/Goddesses, and EVERYONE had agreed on that until MY post came along. You yourself had agreed on that until I posted what I had come up with instead, and jTynne agreed to it as apparently a NEW idea saying he liked where we (since, by that time, humans had been changed into orcs) were going and that the initial God/Goddess thing was too condescending.

Rather than omitting details and posting text, I'd like to see a PRNT SCRN from Skype because it's odd that:

1) Until I posted, you were all for the God/Goddess thing (according to the forum topic)
2) Our ideas are exactly the same, with your proof being a text document that's very easy to change the date on

I'm not challenging you. I'm merely saying it's really, really coincidental and odd that we came up with the same storyline, same neutrality for humans, same faction idea (though, you put this in the open after I posted what I had), etc.

And you didn't like me from the beginning, even before we didn't talk. Mainly I was asking if I could do some of the story content, and your attitude was "let the big boys do their job."

Also, I was part of that group on August 10th, 2011, and I'm not finding it in the group convo' - which, is where this was discussed obviously:

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[2011-08-13 00:38:04] Irène: Just realized something. And now I'm sad :(

I have no moderation options. I can't delete or move posts or anything Q.Q
[2011-08-13 00:38:36] Irène: Not in the News section, anyway, I wanted to move BearZ post somewhere else because it's irrelevant
[2011-08-13 02:03:42] Koide: Hello Irene, Yusifer right?
[2011-08-13 02:04:24] Irène: ohaider
[2011-08-13 02:04:47] Koide: I guess you caught me now
[2011-08-13 02:05:37] Irène: >:
[2011-08-13 02:05:43] Irène: well I always see you offline
[2011-08-13 02:05:44] Irène: I still do
[2011-08-13 02:05:45] Irène: :D
[2011-08-13 02:06:35] Koide: Oh ive been online, recently has been a busy time. but i think things have slowed down enough.
[2011-08-13 02:06:46] Irène: Skype gives ya an offline thing :o
[2011-08-13 02:07:05] Koide: it was set as DnD if thats what you mean
[2011-08-13 02:07:21] Irène: there now you're a green happy guy
[2011-08-13 02:07:43] Koide: there we go, its cause we werent officially friends yet xD
[2011-08-13 02:07:59] Irène: :P
[2011-08-13 02:08:34] Koide: So how is everyone doing this fine evening?
[2011-08-13 02:08:43] Styx: Talking s***
[2011-08-13 02:09:01] Koide: about who?
[2011-08-13 02:09:28] Styx: About my friend Erin. To my friend Erin.
[2011-08-13 02:09:39] miChi3: not too bad. what about you?
[2011-08-13 02:09:42] Koide: lol well thats not too nice haha
[2011-08-13 02:09:46] Styx: [11:06:47 PM] Erin: I am going to go listen to 80s music now
[11:06:57 PM] Styx: go listen to some Prince
[11:07:17 PM] Styx: Ya old fart
[11:07:27 PM] Erin: Eww hell no
[11:07:29 PM] Erin: I hate prince
[11:07:34 PM] Erin: I like remakes of his songs though.
[11:07:39 PM] Erin: O.o and is prince really a man?
[11:07:59 PM] Styx: Do your tits hang low do they wobble to and fro?
[2011-08-13 02:09:48] miChi3: and helloo eveyrone! :)
[2011-08-13 02:09:56] Koide: lol styx
[2011-08-13 02:10:03] Koide: heya michi xD
[2011-08-13 02:10:28] miChi3: *waves*
[2011-08-13 02:10:42] Koide: *waves back
[2011-08-13 02:10:44] Koide: *
[2011-08-13 02:10:53] Irène: michiiieee
[2011-08-13 02:11:01] Styx: [11:08:59 PM] Styx: Can you throw 'em over your shoulder?
[11:09:02 PM] Styx: Can you tie 'em in a bow?
[11:09:17 PM] Erin: XD Grandma?
[11:09:31 PM] Styx: got a facebook and she's hitting on my friends
[2011-08-13 02:11:10] Koide: hahaha
[2011-08-13 02:11:21] Styx: Don't care how it started but now it's gotta end.
[2011-08-13 02:11:27] Koide: you been drinkin again? lol
[2011-08-13 02:11:35] Styx: Helps me stay connected to my uncles and my aunts
[2011-08-13 02:11:45] Styx: But I also know she's been in my best friends pants
[2011-08-13 02:11:46] miChi3: ireneeee xD
[2011-08-13 02:11:59] Irène: hai michiiee
[2011-08-13 02:12:01] Irène: :]
[2011-08-13 02:12:03] miChi3: rofl @ styx
[2011-08-13 02:18:53] miChi3: oh ya Irenee! I love your avatar collection!
[2011-08-13 02:19:15] miChi3: ./no1
[2011-08-13 02:19:56] Irène: :D
[2011-08-13 02:42:54] Irène: Styx stalking me
[2011-08-13 02:42:55] Irène: >:
[2011-08-13 02:43:20] Styx: That is my job ma'am.
[2011-08-13 02:43:30] Irène: then you're forgiven
[2011-08-13 02:43:33] Irène: :]
[2011-08-13 04:18:24] koti.f: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvNFiAVl-b0
[2011-08-13 04:18:30] koti.f: Whats goin on?
[2011-08-13 04:18:59] koti.f: HEEEEEY-e-yay-e-yeh yeh
[2011-08-13 04:23:11] koti.f: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdyBM5H5f5g
[2011-08-13 04:23:24] koti.f: I'm sad I stopped watching this movie part way through now
[2011-08-13 04:32:35] koti.f: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEKnNHrt91A
[2011-08-13 04:32:44] koti.f: yay for disabled kung fu
[2011-08-13 04:33:36] miChi3: lol. He-Man singing what's going on
[2011-08-13 04:34:19] miChi3: Tokyo Gore Police? o.O why are you sad? :O
[2011-08-13 04:34:52] koti.f: I started watching it and just stopped, it was so bad it hurt to watch
[2011-08-13 04:35:34] koti.f: but if I knew I was going to see a chick with swords for limbs I would have just watched the whole thing, lol
[2011-08-13 04:36:26] miChi3: lol. okay.
[2011-08-13 04:37:13] koti.f: I was being silly
[2011-08-13 04:38:06] miChi3: but hey, thanks for sharing. I was kinda bored and right now I'm watching these videos xD
[2011-08-13 04:43:08] koti.f: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugkKw-gdYvY&feature=related
[2011-08-13 04:43:15] koti.f: its a giant can of coke
[2011-08-13 04:43:29] koti.f: Also, you're welcome Michi
[2011-08-13 04:55:07] miChi3: wow.
[2011-08-13 05:53:26] Matt Stewart: Yay, work is done
[2011-08-13 09:11:19] jTynne: http://www.utopiaro.com/mb/index.php?topic=2358.new#new
[2011-08-13 09:27:43] jTynne: Imagine if there was a server named QuieRO
[2011-08-13 09:27:54] jTynne: And the mascot was a little taco wearing a mexican flag, aww
[2011-08-13 09:28:05] jTynne: Or like, Jalapenos wearing Sombreros
[2011-08-13 09:28:20] jTynne: (Mostly directed @ Viv) ;)
[2011-08-13 11:57:38] Saki Will Bite You: rofl x3
[2011-08-13 12:04:46] Sean Perez: Is it too early to be drinking?
[2011-08-13 12:12:53] Matt Stewart: Never
[2011-08-13 12:13:09] Sean Perez: I didn't think so, either.
[2011-08-13 12:13:34] Sean Perez: They never stop drinkin' in New Orleans.
[2011-08-13 12:14:15] Saki Will Bite You: *pouts matt in her purse* <3
[2011-08-13 12:14:54] Saki Will Bite You: er
[2011-08-13 12:14:55] Sean Perez: puts*?
[2011-08-13 12:14:55] Saki Will Bite You: puts*
[2011-08-13 12:14:57] Saki Will Bite You: too early
[2011-08-13 12:14:58] Saki Will Bite You: lol
[2011-08-13 12:15:03] Saki Will Bite You: maybe i'm already drunk xP
[2011-08-13 12:15:08] Sean Perez: xD
[2011-08-13 12:15:35] Sean Perez: Ah, it burns.
[2011-08-13 12:15:42] Saki Will Bite You: :o vodka?
[2011-08-13 12:15:54] Saki Will Bite You: the sun? :o
[2011-08-13 12:15:55] Sean Perez: Woa, no, no, no.  Bud Light. /ok
[2011-08-13 12:15:57] Saki Will Bite You: lol x3
[2011-08-13 12:15:57] Saki Will Bite You: oooh
[2011-08-13 12:16:27] Sean Perez: I just took a huge drik and some went in my nose, rofl.
[2011-08-13 12:16:31] Sean Perez: drink*
[2011-08-13 12:16:36] Saki Will Bite You: oh noes!
[2011-08-13 12:16:49] Saki Will Bite You: supposed to drink it not snort it ! :P
[2011-08-13 12:16:54] Saki Will Bite You: teasing xP
[2011-08-13 12:17:00] Sean Perez: :p
[2011-08-13 12:17:38] Sean Perez: Well, my girls in the next room...hm, hm, hm.
[2011-08-13 12:18:14] Saki Will Bite You: grils? O.o
[2011-08-13 12:18:18] Saki Will Bite You: dang
[2011-08-13 12:18:19] Saki Will Bite You: damnit
[2011-08-13 12:18:23] Saki Will Bite You: spelling x.x
[2011-08-13 12:18:26] Saki Will Bite You: girls*
[2011-08-13 12:18:30] Sean Perez: Me too. :<
[2011-08-13 12:18:39] Saki Will Bite You: i think i need to splash some water in my face im still half asleep
[2011-08-13 12:19:00] Sean Perez: Gasoline.
[2011-08-13 12:19:03] Sean Perez: :D
[2011-08-13 12:19:06] Saki Will Bite You: rofl
[2011-08-13 12:19:17] Saki Will Bite You: or red bull
[2011-08-13 12:19:20] Sean Perez: Yes!
[2011-08-13 12:19:24] Saki Will Bite You: haha
[2011-08-13 12:19:25] Sean Perez: <3 Red Bull
[2011-08-13 12:19:34] Saki Will Bite You: i'd be all hyper after just one swig
[2011-08-13 12:19:47] Sean Perez: I play Halo better.
[2011-08-13 12:19:56] Saki Will Bite You: more alert and twitchy :P
[2011-08-13 12:22:44] Sean Perez: Struttin that donkey!
[2011-08-13 12:23:36] Sean Perez: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOWMtCGyl8U
[2011-08-13 12:29:47] Matt Stewart: Y u sticking me in your purse? >_>
[2011-08-13 12:31:38] Saki Will Bite You: cuz i <3 u
[2011-08-13 12:31:39] Saki Will Bite You: :o
[2011-08-13 12:33:18] Matt Stewart: Uh huh...suuuuuuuure. Methinks you're hiding something *nods*
[2011-08-13 12:33:57] Saki Will Bite You: xP i had another dream
[2011-08-13 12:34:02] Saki Will Bite You: but this time i wasnt kissing you lol
[2011-08-13 12:34:13] Saki Will Bite You: was kissing random dude, turned around, saw the chihuahua and it turned into you /swt
[2011-08-13 12:34:18] Saki Will Bite You: WHAT DOES IT MEAN Q.Q
[2011-08-13 12:35:53] Matt Stewart: Well, at least it was in the opposite direction...a chihuahua upgraded into me instead of me devolving to a chihuahua...
[2011-08-13 13:01:49] Saki Will Bite You: rofl oh yea
[2011-08-13 13:02:04] Saki Will Bite You: well thats good right?
[2011-08-13 13:03:14] Sean Perez: Wooden Tip Blacks.  Yumo.
[2011-08-13 13:05:42] Saki Will Bite You: o.o
[2011-08-13 13:07:11] Sean Perez: Wine Flavor. /slur
[2011-08-13 13:07:34] Matt Stewart: Mmm, yes, those are very nice :D
[2011-08-13 13:08:01] Sean Perez: Haha, right on, bra.
[2011-08-13 13:08:26] Styx: My my there is quite an interesting love triangle going on here.
[2011-08-13 13:08:53] Styx: I propose we change it to a Love Double Helix.
[2011-08-13 13:09:03] Sean Perez: xD
[2011-08-13 13:15:46] Matt Stewart: *is lost*
[2011-08-13 13:16:44] Irène: *yawns* /stretch, good early afternoon :P
[2011-08-13 13:17:57] Sean Perez: Hellooo. :)
[2011-08-13 13:18:45] Irène: :D
[2011-08-13 13:18:50] Irène: oo~ happy, French peep on teh forumz
[2011-08-13 13:21:54] Sean Perez: Ah, well, it's time to feed the little one.
[2011-08-13 16:49:16] jTynne: I suppose everyone's getting drunk today.
[2011-08-13 16:50:06] jTynne: Uh, for Viv and the others I'd mentioned the possibility to; It didn't go well. At all. He still wants to talk and be friends, but he's not interested in the least bit.
[2011-08-13 16:50:20] Saki Will Bite You: ;-; that sucks but at least you can remain friends but
[2011-08-13 16:50:26] Saki Will Bite You: will that hurt a little?
[2011-08-13 16:50:29] jTynne: Of course I won't
[2011-08-13 16:50:57] jTynne: After Tuesday's class, I'll be avoiding all communication with him. The classes are full for next quarter, so I'll likely never see him again.
[2011-08-13 16:51:23] jTynne: And, after logging into Rose's account for the school, I already know for a fact that he's not in the class.
[2011-08-13 16:51:25] Saki Will Bite You: because if you stay friends you'll be near him and long for him and it'll just mess with your mind and you'll be unfocused, so thats not something you want around you ja?
[2011-08-13 16:51:35] Saki Will Bite You: dang
[2011-08-13 16:51:52] jTynne: I know, he doesn't understand that, but he will eventually.
[2011-08-13 16:52:27] jTynne: I should have ate something before I started drinking. Stomach hurts and I'm probably going to just puke this all up. Not drunk in the least bit, hell, not even buzzed from what I can tell, but w/e.
[2011-08-13 16:53:08] jTynne: Anyway, I'll be out of commission for tonight and possibly part of tomorrow as well. If anyone finds bugs, just PM them to me on Skype. Thanks.
[2011-08-13 16:53:41] Saki Will Bite You: alright, take care of yourself
[2011-08-13 17:17:11] Eric Walston: good luck justin. forrow your dreams! ^w^
[2011-08-13 18:48:05] Irène: I like this quest writing thing <3
Anyway, going to a birthday party... thing :D I'll be back later~
Also shows I was already writing quests that day, as seen in that near-last line.

Also can be seen here:

http://i51.tinypic.com/mmd3iw.png

That was... nine hours before your Skype conversation (which isn't in my log, for some reason), going by EST. Not sure where you're from (I think U.S. Westernmost area), so that'd be -9 which is still five hours before the convo'.

[PR-RiverStyx]

Okay since you seem to CLEARLY be determined to lengthen this palaver I will have to provide proof.

Links will be removed due to the fact that these posts are on UtopiaRO's Staff Forum.

"I'm thinking we'll run with the back story that the Gods were unhappy with the way the world was, and so High Lord Tynne wiped the world of humans. A thousand years have passed, and I think there might be something about killing off the Gods and then have the birth of the new ones (New GMs). After that, the rejuvination of the World and how Eden began." -EM-Freyja

For those who need help on what Eden actually is. It may not be exact but its really good and it's a start!

Your idea.

I think it'd be better to go with a more, uh, "fictional" view of what happened with Eden.

Sure, it's a game and all, but not too keen on taking something that's serious and editting it to include blasphemous materials such as "Gods" and the existence of >2 humans prior to its time. Since Eden is considered to be Paradise, or "Utopia", it wouldn't have "begun" after it had already been created and used as a pre-settlement for Adam & Eve prior to having lost the privelege of living there due to Lucifer tricking them.

Why not something like:

"A thousand years ago, the kingdom of Utopia was peaceful - humans lived in harmony alongside all other creations. Everyone was equal and the world was balanced.

However, humans soon began to develop at an unbelievable rate. They quickly became the most intelligent of all creatures on Earth, sacrificing compassion and long-term consideration in favour of power and desire. They ran thousands of species to exctinction, damaged the ecozones and atmosphere, and threatened the very existence of the Earth.

It wasn't long before they came across a vast forest/jungle rich in valuable materials. It was the sanctuary of the faeries, the last untouched ecosystem on Earth. To reflect its vast variety of animals, insects, minerals, and plants, and the peace that shrouded the area, the inhabitants named it "Eden" and built a society alongside nature. Humans couldn't, wouldn't, understand this, though, and threatened to wipe out the faeries in order to gain access to their land and their prized woodlands and mines. The faeries would not allow them to scathe their precious land and fought bravely against them.

The battle raged for hundreds of years, until Tair's example lightened their hearts and allowed both sides to see the "big picture" more clearly. A treaty was signed, and life was improved for everyone and everything on it. Temporarily.

It was only another century later that the peace effort was forgotten by humans. The wickedness embedded in their hearts soon consumed them once more, and war pressed. All that had recovered since the war began was endangered; another grand battle like that of before would wipe everything out - humans, faeries, animals... Everything. Lead by a cruel General [Insert Name Here], the humans again planned to infiltrate Eden and acquire the natural treasures within, ignoring the impending trajedy that would befall everyone should they succeed - the collapse of the atmophere, and the end of everything."

v2 begins with war hanging in the balance. Players' roles are to act as peacekeepers and aide both sides in various storyline quests towards harmony. Neither the humans or the faeries want the impending danger of destroying Eden to befall the Earth; however, humans are incapable of understanding how true it is, and how to curb their appetite for power to prevent it. Faeries are incapable of convincing them to keep the peace. Neither side can agree on anything since both are motivated towards very different goals.

Game Masters / Event Masters / Staff can be seen as Peacekeeping Generals, while players are their followers. Anyone seen disturbing the Peace Movement can be banished, jailed, etc.

Just a more creative idea.

"August 13, 2011, 02:40:31 PM" After the time stamps on the first mention of a faction idea. You were given a slight clue within one chat as we were conversing about it still, and you took it upon yourself to evolve it without consenting with any of us.
While we appreciate your initiative, you should also have limits for you to be a productive member of any staff.

I have been talking about it with the rest of the staff and a lot of people agree with the idea of Factions

Which means; We would need a storyline to have three factions: Humans, Fairies, and Orcs, the Fairies and Orcs at war with eachother, and the Humans neutral.

Is it possible to incorporate the specific Factions into an alternate storyline? (If justin approves)

I think so. It'd just be a matter of switching humans for orcs in the storyline up there ^ and replacing the ambition / motivation a bit. This would aide in making the players (who are human, based on sprite) have a "peacekeeping" type of role.

I'll revise.

"I'll revise."

Please read the topic linked, "Factions" to get a better understanding, there will not really be a "peacekeeping" type of role unless they choose not to participate in the factions, in which they can only do quests that everyone has available to them. (Human quests, everyone will be able to do)

tl;dr version - Styx came up with the idea prior to any post Yusifer made. With a snippet of information Yusifer developed her version of the factions, which she was forced to change to what the majority of the staff agreed on after long debates.

Also did you even bother to read the bulk of my post Yusifer? I tried to refrain from using big words in this post to make it easy to read and I added a "tl;dr" at the end for folks who simply want to reply with their own uneducated responses.


Edit:
In reguards to your [ Code ] edit, that is not a staff chat, development is rarely uttered within that chat.

Before you get "triumphant" many staff members are insisting on not even reading this thread anymore as you are clearly upset about your removal from staff - This entire thread revolves around what you did on staff (see: all about you) and almost nothing about the content of the server. I refuse to provide yC with more income than this. I thank you for the review of the server only and I continue my feelings towards you in regards to the rest of your palaver.

[Yusifer]

"I'll revise" to change humans into orcs, if you read further down the topic after your mention of factions, you'll see the whole faeries on one side, orcs on the other, etc. thing. After your take on factions the storyline was easily revised into interacting with faeries and orcs as a chosen faction. It altered the gameplay for the player, but not the storyline itself where orcs and faeries are at war and it's ended; then war breaks out again, and humans are in the middle to choose a side: the environmentalists (faeries), or the ambitious ones (orcs).

I was in the Skype conversation at the time of your apparent conversation with the staff. There is no mention of factions or anything with the rest of the group like you've posted here.

This is the first mention of Factions in the staff conversation since my having been added:

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[2011-08-24 00:13:44] CM-Saki/Nyx: yea its already in a quest but it would have been a nice replacement
[2011-08-24 00:13:49] Irène: yeah it would've
[2011-08-24 00:14:14] Irène: my best best right now is hibiscus, or Water Lily Crown (which is nice because it doesn't mention being chinese, like the hibiscus thing, which is wonky a bit)
[2011-08-24 00:14:35] Irène: but yeah, hibiscus it is :o
[2011-08-24 00:14:37] Irène: people like that hat anyway
[2011-08-24 00:14:38] CM-Saki/Nyx: :)
[2011-08-24 00:17:36] CM-Saki/Nyx: also you can stop at quest #6 unless theres still some loose ends you need to tie to end the storyline, was going for 5 fairy and 5 orc but you seem to far exceed expectations, not that its bad or anything just requires a bit more work than originally planned/and not enough time to do it all at once :3
[2011-08-24 00:17:57] CM-Saki/Nyx: which is why the factions discussion we were all talking about is being held off until october
[2011-08-24 00:18:31] Irène: ah xD well I can stop at #7, to tie ends down, but at #6 it kinda drops like a cliff
[2011-08-24 00:18:34] Irène: will package it up
August 24th, 2011. You're still not showing a PRNT SCRN of where it says any of what you posted in the Skype convo'. For good measure, I'll show mine.

http://i55.tinypic.com/2akgppl.png

Editted out phone numbers.

Red meaning that's the only one found.

As well, changing the time on your messages is easy to coordinate it as being before we discussed interacting faeries with orcs. Obviously you still have that topic - the Storyline Discussion one - which I requested my e-mail (technical difficulty) and again here on RMS, where jTynne said it was gone for good. I'll again ask for an .html copy of that, and request also that Styx post a screenshot of where it is in the staff convo' that that is discussed, since I was there, and it's not on mine.

/flash-to-the-past

On another note, when I tried to write purely headgear quests, I was told not to:

http://i53.tinypic.com/331j5zc.png

Yet I'm being criticized for having not done enough headgear-related quest... project... things.

/end

[jTynne]

I was in the Skype conversation at the time of your apparent conversation with the staff. There is no mention of factions or anything with the rest of the group like you've posted here.

... No, you weren't. :x

http://jtynne.com/timestamps.jpg

[8/14/2011 6:00:34 PM] *** Justin Tynne added Irène ***

[8/25/2011 11:43:15 PM] *** Justin Tynne removed Irène from this conversation. ***

You were added to the staff chat on the 14th, the conversation being referenced transpired August 13th. :x

Edit: http://jtynne.com/timestamps2.jpg - time stamp of addition into staff conference =X