To See Beyond RO.

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ForsakenRayzor

#15
The main thing here is.

GMs should be fired. Tadah. GMs like you, Yusei.

If you can make such baseless assumptions in an attempt to defame me and try to salvage the server's name you can think again.

If you can assume that i'm raguel and go on flaming him as tho he's me then think of it this way.

Then he can assume that his posts are right when they're actually wrong.

So of that long post your posted the only important information i got was "LEARN TO SCROLL DOWN"

Kyomi

Making an assumption based on nothing and flaming the OP? ._.
Not very professional, if you ask me.

I honestly don't see anything wrong with his review. It's not an attempt to bash the server or give it a bad rep, he was merely sharing his experience, and how he felt about TSBRO. Just because there were some things he disliked, doesn't mean he's out to destroy the server's reputation. You can't expect everyone who plays on your server to be happy with every little thing, right? There's always at least a couple people not satisfied with some things.

TehChiiG0

Quote from: Raguel on Dec 28, 2009, 09:07 PM
Lol, ok, ok, I find that post quite hilarious.

First, you're really wrong if you think i'm Nekastroth. Don't make assumptions if you can't prove it, dear.
Also, I met Forsaken a couple of months ago, and I never liked him. I was really happy when he got fired.

So yeah... i'm not Nekastroth. You don't even know me, Chiigo. =/

Ok, back to the review.

I don't think you understand what Availability is. 9/10 means it's almost always online. About stability, I have seen people get dced a lot. Even if you're fixing it, this is my review, my opinion, my point of view. This is what I saw during my stay in your server.

About the community, again, this is what I lived while playing in your server. There's no such thing as the perfect community, as you said. What I don't like about TSB's community, is all the agressive people you can find in there. Sure, there's always someone that's going to help you, but it's not a big part of the server. Oh oh oh, stop there, Chiiro. Saying my friends were only staff members and people I "fooled" is pretty childish. This guys quitted even before I could get any contact information about them. If you still think i'm Nekastroth, you need to make up your mind.
Forums are quite dead. Even the off topic section is inactive. Sure, they might be a little bit more active than before. That doesn't change the fact that the forums are inactive.

Events tend to get boring when you play them 3-4 times a day. Nuff said.

About the GMs,
one player in your forums (Akraisel) made a suggestion. It was something like "Fire some GMs because you have too many". The server does indeed have tons of GMs.
Look at IntenseRO. It has 2 GMs and 1 Helper. They can handle a server with 600+ people online. What about TSB? 10+ GMs for 50-70 persons. And, as I said, half of the GMs play with their commands instead of help people. My questions got ignored or redirected to a superior GM tons of times. How is that helping? Mind explaining?

Oh, Chiigo, you sure disappoint me. I'm not Forsaken/Nekastroth for god's sake. I didn't even know Nekastroth is Forsaken o_o
I'm sorry, I heard he was being re-hired. My apologies if I was wrong.

Me using Chalant for my "own selfish reasons"? God, i'm a terrorist now?  I must be a terrible person because I wanted to share my opinion about TSB. The server has potential, but because of some things, it's being lost.

About the data folders... only 100mb? Hahaha. I'm sure a lot of people will agree with me: most of clients are less than 80mb.
Oh yeah, the server is so updated. And it still uses sakray. Hmm...

Oh please, It has been 4 months already, and we still don't have the descriptions. What..?

The gameplay part....
I'm not Nekastroth. Stop saying I am.

Guilds are good. Nothing to add here.

Class Balance... please, look at the PvP room more than once per day.

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I ignored a largue part of your post, because it was directed to Nekastroth, who, sadly for you, i'm not.

@Yukino: I'm not Forsaken/Nekastroth. It's sad being accussed of being someone I never liked.


Raguel.

PS:
QuoteThank you for reading and i will get back to you
this isn't over...
This isn't a movie, Chiigo.

I assumed you were Nekastroth, but if not, then it is my bad and my fault I am willing to accept, but you appeared as him more or less on my perception, still, you replied as fast as i announced ingame, making me assume you still play the server, know the current events, know even the forums or you are just so lucky to see this online post maybe?

If i don't know you, its fine, but you bad mouthing our server with these accusation are so wrong in multiple ways than one

Now to answer your reviews
In your time of stay? you just posted this the other day, but nearly everything you just used and said are half truths in more ways than one, even an average player of the server knows this as a fact, me as well personally, but either way, it is your opinion, and it is respectable, and it is respectable for me, as a staff member to deny and correct you as well

Correct me if I'm wrong, but who are these "quit players" then? I admit I COULD be wrong to think you are Nekastroth, but have you played the current server? interacted and talked to most of the community?
Your judgement should have facts and people to back you up, it could be just your own personal experience, but numerous people and players helpout when someone is there, even GM's personally assist you
Hilarity remark "insert here"

You saying Forums are inactive= a very nice lie in my opinion, players post on the forums, the dates are there, proof of it, I don't even need to mention it

Events gets boring? thats your opinion and way you look at it then, The events are handled directly by GM's, tog et items that would take you longer to get, you make it sound like you don't like events, your lose, not the servers

Now for the GM's
First off, Some GM's are new and don't know much, reason why older and much more experienced GM's such as me and others try to helpout the other Staff you are pertaining to
Second off, Why are you comparing us with another server staff? We have multiple GM's to helpout with the community, What's wrong with us having many?
Just because a person says we have too many GM's, doesn't make it a point we need to lessen or fire a few, All the staff be it experienced or non-experienced, refer to higher level of GM in regards to certain server issues, not all of us may no or be upto-date, but as far as i can say, our numerous GM's isn't an issue and it works.
And if that doesn't explain it this will, Why not post on forums then? You posted one time and could be overlooked, but as topic such as "too many GM's, you need to fire some", is just YOU OPINION, the rest of the community don't seem to mind, other than a few such as you who think we are overstaffed, if there ever was a term made by haters and server authorists

If you are not Forsaken/GM Nekastroth, then it is my fault and i sincerely apologize, but if you are him, i will not take my words back, He has done so much stuff, it aggravates me because of all the events that transpired

You don't know what Chalant is, and the server has potential more than ever
You used information we leftout on the forums un-updated
if that's your opinion, then this is MY opinion about you then

The data folders were stopped, if you even check the forums, but i think you don't anymore
since we now have a full working client, that only requires you to have kro+sak or kro+re
And if you were wondering,
sakray or renewal works, but we keep it to sakray, since it was the most, but renewal file does work, that should explain it enough for you then?

We just added a few new items and stuff
the item descriptions, aren't just item descriptions, the skills on certain customs, the bug fixes and error items and a few other new bugs we need to fix, we can't just add the whole thing instantly, we test them out and see whats wrong and what works, the owner takes it upto himself to test those, its one guy and 2 others who helpout, it's not easy and 4 months? I will admit that takes long, but it's better to add slowly and surely, the server experiences other things that delays item description, which the Staff knows more than you can think off, WE still have lives and cannot do it that fast, this item descriptions maybe be long, but it's being worked on, and if you still think that's such a piece of bs, why do you think some players just live with it than complain so much? we do add item descriptions, maybe not all or as fast, but we do, you just do not know what the staff has to deal with daily, behind player eyes, topic I'm not even going at

Gameplay is.. if your not nekastroth, fine then, you are not, if you are, i despise you,, good enough?

Class Balance
It's not exactly my job to check pvp rooms, 3 other GM's do that, and when Admin Mario sees it is wrong, it gets fixed and discussed, that good enough for you yet again?

If your not Forsaken, that's fine and i am at fault, but still looking at this, it still made me think you are him

@orix1357
That was fixed with the new full client, it shouldn't be an issue now, we had to change hosts and fix a few things, not every server does it, but we did it and at least finally got a stable host to be with

@Yukino
The Events are handled by real active players, we only have 2 automated events, dice and mario tcg event, it only happens a few hours, but active GM's more than make up for that by there own held events
If Raguel isn't Nekastroth, then it's my fault for accusing him, but with all the recent events and as such, My anger and fury lead me to believe it was him
I apologize for any misinterpreted words or phrases i have said, but i still think it is him or a player-hater at most

@ForsakenRayzor
You have done so much effed up stuff, the whole staff knows of it already, i'll save you the misery of mentioning every single dirty thing you did
You don't know how much damage you have caused, offgame and ingame, but i bet your that much happy because of it, your not even worth my time of chat
It's people like YOU i was hired to face at, which i won't stop facing at
These forums do not know or need to know, We do not do that, We're better than you
but WE know, that's what counts overall

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QuoteThank you for reading and i will get back to you
this isn't over...
This isn't a movie, Chiigo.


I never said it was, but i know this won't be over by a long shot
Posted on: Dec 28, 2009, 02:16 pm
Quote from: Kyomi on Dec 28, 2009, 09:52 PM
Making an assumption based on nothing and flaming the OP? ._.
Not very professional, if you ask me.

I honestly don't see anything wrong with his review. It's not an attempt to bash the server or give it a bad rep, he was merely sharing his experience, and how he felt about TSBRO. Just because there were some things he disliked, doesn't mean he's out to destroy the server's reputation. You can't expect everyone who plays on your server to be happy with every little thing, right? There's always at least a couple people not satisfied with some things.

Majority of what he said are half truths and lies
I was trying to avoid flaming, but when you love a server,
and see that this person is using the means like this, ,it will infuriate you, agitate you, piss you off,
I am pretty much sure, I wouldn't know how you would react as well
We are not trying to be "perfect professional" for fate's sake,
We only want to have a goodtime playing RO, the players and staff want to play and have fun, professional or not
It is wrong, and you must be blind as well, his experience is based on half truths and lies, which i must denounce with accurate information i know and can say
He shared his experience, that's okay, but not out to destroy TSBRO? THIS WHOLE TOPIC IS ABOUT SHUTTING TSBRO DOWN
Pretty obvious why i am so passionate in my replies and such
Not everyone will be happy, That's a fact, a few people won't be always satisfied, i know the feeling, a few old players i have known have left for either a diff server or irl issues to face, but as long as i love this server, I cannot let this one person/player bad mouth and shut it down



Posted on: Dec 28, 2009, 02:24 pm
Quote from: ForsakenRayzor on Dec 28, 2009, 09:46 PM
The main thing here is.

GMs should be fired. Tadah. GMs like you, Yusei.

If you can make such baseless assumptions in an attempt to defame me and try to salvage the server's name you can think again.

If you can assume that i'm raguel and go on flaming him as tho he's me then think of it this way.

Then he can assume that his posts are right when they're actually wrong.

So of that long post your posted the only important information i got was "LEARN TO SCROLL DOWN"

You only want me fired
That's the thing you can't accept because you weren't rehired back
Server Players and Staff know the truth, which unlike you "two" or maybe one are trying so hard
Makes me pity a poor soul such as you

ForsakenRayzor

Okay let's see what i can do.

Final

Ugh I read through most of this, skimmed a few little things and such blah blah blah ok on to my real post

Gm dude whos name Idc to know :  Pull the stick outta your donkey and grow the f*** up.  It's called a review for a reason.  It is what the person thinks about a certain thing.  People review to show what the have experienced in a server and what they think can be improved.

And please I'm begging you, no more block text!! lol

It's fine and good to come and refute what someone says only when you can actually keep a clean frame of thought.  You however, can not.  Seriously assuming he's someone else?  Like how low are you guys?  If you can't prove that he is this other guy then DON'T post it, duh!  And if all you want to do is assume and argue like this, take it to the damn soap opera section ugh.  

Let him feel the way he does, address it as helpful criticism and if it's not then oh well.  What makes you think one guy with one review about one server can kill said server?  The odds of that are beyond slim to none.

So..No doubt someone will attack this post, oh wellz it happens.  But seriously, It's a review section not an assume someones some other guy, blame him for everything and expect it to all go good.

Just next time get some facts straight(That sentence can go so many ways so lets be clear, I mean about who this person is.)

Anyways, Sorry to post.  But you can understand how annoying it is to read this stuff.  And it looks like I made a block of text...son of a...lol

- Final

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Kyomi

Nobody has said anything about "it needs to be shut down" or anything of the sort.
And the OP wasn't like "GTFO TSBRO U SUX". He gave a review based on his own experience, not based on some goal to ruin the server. There were just some things he didn't like, and like I said, you can't expect to make every single person that plays your server to be happy. I understand that you're passionate about your server. But making baseless accusations and flaming the OP is not the best way to express that, and I think you could have responded a lot more calmly.


TehChiiG0

#21
@Final

I'll admit i go overboard and write things too much or excessively
But I cannot allow this person to make so much half-truths and false accusations and lies, It's n my blood already, He may be one person
But as one person bad mouthing the server, it will bad mouth us over all
reason why one person, me as example, will contradict and refuse to accept any of his opinions

I mentioned on other phrases that if it it not HIM, then i apologize for the wrong accusation and such
Reason why i think it was him is because, so much drama and sh1t just happened, all because of one person
I cannot allow anymore further things like this to happen more or less
It's in my way of life
I respect your opinion at most, but i will not and cannot let this person get away with it

Don't blame me if this is e-drama to the highest level
I only come to correct the wrongs, simple as that

@Kiyomi

His topic/review is still self-explanatory, it's giving the server i am on a bad reputation
I love this server and will fight for what i believe is right
I know, it's only only one person or a few who do not like the server and such, but this review, I must and can and will fight the truth for
It's not baseless, i answered with facts, if it's flaming, it's what you may call "constructive critism" as well i suppose
It is my opinion, regardless
I may be flaming the wrong person or making such a big issue of it, but i won't let him getaway with it
As i said, If it is not him, then i apologize for the wrong accusation, but majority of his answer just leads me to answer more or less furiously
I may have tried replying calmly, but as much as i can try to, I can't
If i offend any people, it is because i reply as much as i can with passion and facts that i know is correct as such

Raguel

You disappoint me, Chiigo.
First, i'm not trying to "badmouth" your server. It's my honest opinion. My point of view. That's why it's a review. Oh wait, now I get it. If it's a bad review, then it must be full of lies, because TSB is a perfect server! /sarcasm off.

No, I don't play your server anymore. I uninstalled it yesterday. It was just a co-incidince.

Ok so, to the review.
Believe me or not, I honestly do not care, I have been playing this server for a lot of time. The server is laggy, or it was the last time I logged in. People does get randomly dc'd. I understand what you're trying to do. You obviously want to defend your server, and I respect that. But I don't like being called a lier. I'm not lying.

I have interacted with the players. Most of them replied to me in tagalog, a language I don't understand. The few that knew english, weren't really friendly. Except for the guys I mentioned as "friends". Sadly, I didn't get their contact info. I hope they will read this, and eventually, post what they think.

For me, the forums are quite dead. Again, it's not a lie, but my opinion. My ex-guild forums were more alive than TSB's. And we had 5-10 members.

Events do get boring when we play the same events everyday.

About the GMs.
First, I compared you with that server because of a reason: TSBRO lacks organization. New GMs get level 90+ accounts. Your staff team is huge, and since the server doesn't have too many players, we see GMs playing with their commands.
That person is a player. And another player agreed with him. Their opinions mean something, too.
I'm not Akraisel either. Stop making assumptions, it's starting to bother me. Akraisel has an account here in RMS, too. Not with that name, though. I have seen his avatar in here before.

Thanks for the apology.

I know more about Chalant than you think, thank you very much.
If you don't update your forums, who will? Since you don't have a "Staff Roster" topic, we have to GUESS who is a GM and who isn't.
I saw something about a DATA folder not so long ago. Or was it a patch? Which it's the same. 100mb. Yay.
Yeah, sure, I know you guys have lifes. You are not robots or anything like that. But 4 months is a little bit excessive.

Again, thanks for the apology.

About the class balance, I still don't see a lot being changed, since there are a lot of complains regarding ninjas in the forums.

Why did this make you think i'm Forsaken? Because it isn't a super kawaii review where I saw OMG TSB IS PERFECT? Because I have a different opinion? Because I think TSB isn't that good?

Reviews are based on personal opinions. I know you must defend your server, but don't try to defend the undefendable.

PS: Just wanted to add something for the lulz:
QuoteTHIS WHOLE TOPIC IS ABOUT SHUTTING TSBRO DOWN
Paranoic much?

Thanks to everyone who is has shared their opinions.
And thanks Final for clarifying what a review is, because it doesn't seem like Chiigo understands what a review is.

@Chiigo:
I'M
NOT
LYING

It's my opinion. Get over it.
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ForsakenRayzor

#23
Skoll RO - [GM] Merciless

Majin RO - [GM] Forsaken

SymphRO - Seraph

DarkSnowRO - [Admin] Havoc

Enough qualification for you?

Not enough? Scripter, Quester, Event GM.

Still not enough?

Rayzor, Forsaken, Forgiven, Forgotten, Forbidden.

Enough already? Let me proceed.

Class balance? s***.

Ninjas = Untouchable

Cast-off Ciceda Shell - Melee Skills = Useless

Reverse Tatami - Range Skills = Useless

What can you do? SinX - MA

What can they do? Use AoE Skills like storm gust and shiz and use shadow jump away from you.

Paladins - Shield Chain not neutral elemental, Does 100k+ PER HIT. not 1 whole skill but PER HIT. Meaning about 300k Per 1 skill.
             Pallys have reflect shield and all those shiz you melee them they gona do hurtful damage on you. What can you do to kill them? Dispell? With what a card that gives how many % chance of dispelling. they can recast it and rape you with the shield chain even if you have range resist.

Snipers - So useless. Players get 4 noxious 8 alligators bam range resist. What can they do? Pray and hope that their DS does enough damage.

Sins - SBK backslide SBK backslide SBK backslide SBK backslide SBK backslide SBK backslide SBK backslide SBK backslide SBK backslide

Lord Knights - Abusing Spiral with the stun lock. Charge attack to a corner spam spiral = dead.

Creator = Spam acid demo

Blacksmith = I don't see any blacksmiths

Soul Linker = Spam esma estun

Professors = Spam Fire bolt, cold bolt. Put on range resist or mayas they spam you with earth spike and rape your lil donkey.

Wizards = Spam storm gust and LOV and fire bolt


Most stalkers on this server = Bow + Double strafing with full strip.

Take a look at the above classes and tell me if range is totally imbalanced.

If i am wrong please correct me and tell me melee skills that actually give those jobs above a chance to fight

Item nerfs.

Items:

Maya Card, Reflect single target attack Magic back at the caster (Success Chance 25%)
Orc Lord Card, Reflect 15% of all Physical Melee Damage back to the enemy which inflicted it
Zerom Card, Dex + 120; Headgear - Stalkers = Abuse this to gain hardcore damage with double strafing and they can still preserve a melee skill and also have strip.
Thanatos Odium Card, Agi+ 80; Footgear - Totally removes the point of flee so thisway players actually do hardcore damage rather than switching items.
Thanatos Despero Card, Int+ 120; Weapon - Magic jobs abuse this.
Seyren Windsor Card, Str+ 120; Headgear
Golden Thief Bug Card, 25% Nullify all magic spells, including supportive skills, that target the owner at the cost of doubling SP Consumption cost when using skills.
Lord of Death Card, does not coma you. - This card is not sold in the mall while GMs actually have @item to produce it. That's the reason why the server has status ailments.
Aliot Card, +20 Str/Dex; does not give any HP percentage.
Jakk Card, 10% resistant to fire - totally makes resistance useless therefore there's no point in switching garments same for all other resistance cards.
Marse Card, 10% resistant to water
Dustiness Card, 10% resistant to wind
Hode Card, 10% resistant to earth
Leaf Cat Card, 8% resistant to water
Leib Olmai Card, 8% resistant to fire
Giearth Card, 8% resistant to earth
Giant Hornet, 8% resistant to wind

The max resistance you can get is 65%.

Skills:

Priest Class now has Bash.
Arrow Vulcan, cap damage is now 100k.
Sonic Blow, cap damage is now 225k. - Adding a cap makes damage cards come to a point where they are useless.
Back Sliding, reduced to 3 cells - People spam backslide = cells dont matter anymore.
Acid Demonstration, depends on the targets LUK and your INT. The more LUK the target has the more damage and hits 4 times.
High Jump, now has a cast time which cannot be affected by dex, cards, and such.
Esma, now works on players.
Shield Chain, you are now able to change it's element and hits 4 times. - 400k Damage since the ele is changeable and it still hurts when range resist is on
Desperado, capped damage to 512k; hits normally. - Why should there be a cap? - Desperado isn't considered as a threat to class balance.

Mario's Helm - Claims to give 2.5mil hp in description but actually gives 4m hp with level 6 bash.

Who has mario's helm? Again GMs.

If this is what you claim "Nothing is wrong with class balance" then think again.

Range > Server

Face facts.

This is another honest opinion where the admins find there is "NO PROBLEM" in.

So i say - There's not only a problem with the server but also a problem with the attitude of GM(s)

Take a look at how aggressive "TehChiig0" got when we merely stated facts.

This is precisely the reason why this thread was started by raguel.



Mario TSBRO

#24
wow alot of yall was rejaected of being a gm but lol but yeah i made this server for my gurl not my fault it is number one its the players review i must be doing something right for all the love i get from there also forsaken lol i have ss of you trying to hard to come back you even lie to ppl if my server sucked so bad why so hard to come back for the so many gms yes i got 14 gms but they all have jobs  to do also for a server that has 100 players 14 gms is good to get all players requests and to help all players when they need  it theres nerver a moment when theres not a gm to help also i love the haters i got will make me work even harder to make it better thank yall now i will make a mid rate server and i will see yall join it and love that one too lol thank you once more much love admin mario xD

Final

Yey First, Forsaken dude, If a server makes changes to items, it's called customized items.  you see this all the time, it happens and most time it isn't balanced but it's what the server wants.  No point in posting it I guess..

And Mario, Besides from your Atrocious grammar/spelling.  Just don't post...You'll save yourself a lot of hassle XD  Seriously, How does your post help this topic besides pointing out how your a douche?  Lol

- Final

P.S. Are you guys done this yet...It's gone way past reviewing in my opinion.

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Yukino

Oh, sorry about that Raguel. I wasn't too sure, but yeah, I didn't say I was sure XD.

Well, it's true that people are entitled to their own opinions. His review was not completely bad as he did give some high numbers for some sections. Maybe the "What. A. Joke." isn't as... good; however, he is honest to what he thinks about the server. Nobody can change that for him.

It is hard to have good class balance... especially for SHR servers (card drop rates and all that). I agree that some changes can be made, but they are trying their best.

No need to be over passionate about this review.
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ForsakenRayzor

"Yey First, Forsaken dude, If a server makes changes to items, it's called customized items.  you see this all the time, it happens and most time it isn't balanced but it's what the server wants.  No point in posting it I guess.."

Yea it's customized items i know that.

But look here
"Class Balance
It's not exactly my job to check pvp rooms, 3 other GM's do that, and when Admin Mario sees it is wrong, it gets fixed and discussed, that good enough for you yet again?"

Said by TehChiig0

Wow Im just proving my point that classes ain't balanced.


They made changes to the items but player's aren't informed. So is that deliberate or unintentional.

That's my point.

Raguel

"A lot of you"? The only ex-GM I see is Forsaken. Anyway.

Mario, I don't hate you. I did enjoy the first months I played there. But you started changing it a lot. You started hiring GMs that don't deserve it. GMs that can't stand a job like that.

Your previous MR server was cool, I hope you re-make it with a better team.

@Yukino: Yeah.. I think that was a little bit exagerated xD I'll remove it.
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ForsakenRayzor

Well i kind of agree with Raguel though.

Nothing's really wrong with the server except the range resist and the GM Team.

Look here Your GM Team

Admin Mario, Candace

Co Admin Chalant, Anger, Snap

98 - Zilla

Bla bla bla bla

2 Admins 3 Co admins. No comments on that.